Assassin's Creed Mafia (OVER!)

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The OP has been updated with the D2 poll. Apologies for the delay, had to get the baby down!

[ts account]

Edward Kenway

Pirate Ship: You have a pirate ship! That’s awesome, dude. Using your pirate ship, you can make yourself untargetable to anyone that doesn’t also possess a ship. You can only use this ability every other night though, cause you have to restock your food and supplies. While on your ship, you can target someone to try and kill.

You are a Righteous Warrior and win when all the Heathenous Spies have been eliminated.

*****

Here is the problem I have.
My favored interpretation of this role is one that commutes and vigs every other night. So, if Macdougall used it night 1, I believe they would have used a vig that night as well. Since we see 3 kills here, I think it is just more likely Macdougall used it tonight. The problem with that is that ted would have had to be Macdougall's kill, and Macdougall would have been the mafia kill. Did Macdougall really suspect ted? I thought they were in the towncore.

[ts account]

So it is just a bit confusing no matter which night you suspect Macdougall might have used it. We have information missing.

[Long Con]

I still want answers to my question about mac. Knowing what we know about mac and this game, do we think it is more likely that he used his pirate ship on Night 1 or Night 2? This has major implications.

Night 1.

Why?

The ever-present spectre of Death.

[Sloonei]

Master Radishes [4]: Funnygurl, Epi, Long Con, Turnip Head
Turnip Head [4]: MacDougall, Master Radishes, Sloonei, speedchuck
speedchuck [3]: tedxtr, ts account, TonyStarkPrime

[Sloonei]

So it is just a bit confusing no matter which night you suspect Macdougall might have used it. We have information missing.

Do you think it's possible Mac used it Night 1 but opted not to kill anybody?

[Sloonei]

It is not out of the question that Mac and I both targeted Turnip Head last night.

[Funnygurl555]

Master Radishes [4]: Funnygurl, Epi, Long Con, Turnip Head
Turnip Head [4]: MacDougall, Master Radishes, Sloonei, speedchuck
speedchuck [3]: tedxtr, ts account, TonyStarkPrime

speed's town now right? he was that last vote for turnip 8 min before eod

[ts account]

So it is just a bit confusing no matter which night you suspect Macdougall might have used it. We have information missing.

Do you think it's possible Mac used it Night 1 but opted not to kill anybody?

Macdougall is a player so good that I will unquestionably sheep any read he tells me to.
He would not dismiss the chance for a town KP.

[Funnygurl555]

The OP has been updated with the D2 poll. Apologies for the delay, had to get the baby down!

BABIES

[Sloonei]

Master Radishes [4]: Funnygurl, Epi, Long Con, Turnip Head
Turnip Head [4]: MacDougall, Master Radishes, Sloonei, speedchuck
speedchuck [3]: tedxtr, ts account, TonyStarkPrime

speed's town now right? he was that last vote for turnip 8 min before eod

bussing happens, apparently at a higher rate than normal on the syndicate.

[Sloonei]

The OP has been updated with the D2 poll. Apologies for the delay, had to get the baby down!

BABIES

Do you think Mac used his pirate ship ability on Night 1 or Night 2?

[Funnygurl555]

Master Radishes [4]: Funnygurl, Epi, Long Con, Turnip Head
Turnip Head [4]: MacDougall, Master Radishes, Sloonei, speedchuck
speedchuck [3]: tedxtr, ts account, TonyStarkPrime

speed's town now right? he was that last vote for turnip 8 min before eod

bussing happens, apparently at a higher rate than normal on the syndicate.

y'all are cray :P

[Sloonei]

So it is just a bit confusing no matter which night you suspect Macdougall might have used it. We have information missing.

Do you think it's possible Mac used it Night 1 but opted not to kill anybody?

Macdougall is a player so good that I will unquestionably sheep any read he tells me to.
He would not dismiss the chance for a town KP.

What if he wasn't confident enough in any of his reads to justify killing someone?

[Funnygurl555]

The OP has been updated with the D2 poll. Apologies for the delay, had to get the baby down!

BABIES

Do you think Mac used his pirate ship ability on Night 1 or Night 2?

N1. it's optimal to do it right away imo

[Sloonei]

Master Radishes [4]: Funnygurl, Epi, Long Con, Turnip Head
Turnip Head [4]: MacDougall, Master Radishes, Sloonei, speedchuck
speedchuck [3]: tedxtr, ts account, TonyStarkPrime

speed's town now right? he was that last vote for turnip 8 min before eod

bussing happens, apparently at a higher rate than normal on the syndicate.

y'all are cray :P

gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet.

[ts account]

Master Radishes [4]: Funnygurl, Epi, Long Con, Turnip Head
Turnip Head [4]: MacDougall, Master Radishes, Sloonei, speedchuck
speedchuck [3]: tedxtr, ts account, TonyStarkPrime

speed's town now right? he was that last vote for turnip 8 min before eod

If we take wagonomics to gospel, then the final three wolves need to be in funnygurl/epi/long con/tsp from my pov.
I do not consider you and epignosis to be compatible partners. I believe you over epignosis currently, which leads me to epignosis/long con/tonystarkprime. Is that a viable wolf team? I do not know, and if you throw turnip head into the mix it becomes even more confusing.

This is still discussion of the future. A majority of our discussion should be focused on who to lynch between Funnygurl and Epignosis and why it is epignosis

[Sloonei]

The OP has been updated with the D2 poll. Apologies for the delay, had to get the baby down!

BABIES

Do you think Mac used his pirate ship ability on Night 1 or Night 2?

N1. it's optimal to do it right away imo

Why? And how confident would you say you are in that guess?

[Sloonei]

Master Radishes [4]: Funnygurl, Epi, Long Con, Turnip Head
Turnip Head [4]: MacDougall, Master Radishes, Sloonei, speedchuck
speedchuck [3]: tedxtr, ts account, TonyStarkPrime

speed's town now right? he was that last vote for turnip 8 min before eod

If we take wagonomics to gospel, then the final three wolves need to be in funnygurl/epi/long con/tsp from my pov.
I do not consider you and epignosis to be compatible partners. I believe you over epignosis currently, which leads me to epignosis/long con/tonystarkprime. Is that a viable wolf team? I do not know, and if you throw turnip head into the mix it becomes even more confusing.

This is still discussion of the future. A majority of our discussion should be focused on who to lynch between Funnygurl and Epignosis and why it is epignosis

Nah, let's talk about everyone.

[ts account]

What if he wasn't confident enough in any of his reads to justify killing someone?

That should not be a real thought. A vigshot is simply a public cop check. It is always beneficial to use it if one is given to you (and funnygurl is right in her post, that night 1 seems more optimal to use it than night 2, if macdougall was indeed given the option).

[Funnygurl555]

The OP has been updated with the D2 poll. Apologies for the delay, had to get the baby down!

BABIES

Do you think Mac used his pirate ship ability on Night 1 or Night 2?

N1. it's optimal to do it right away imo

Why? And how confident would you say you are in that guess?

because then he'd have more chances to use the power, since he could only go on the pirate ship every other night

i'm not entirely confident though 'cause i mean idk. idk why we had 3 kills last night

[Sloonei]

What if he wasn't confident enough in any of his reads to justify killing someone?

That should not be a real thought. A vigshot is simply a public cop check. It is always beneficial to use it if one is given to you (and funnygurl is right in her post, that night 1 seems more optimal to use it than night 2, if macdougall was indeed given the option).

A misfire reduces town's numbers. That is damaging. It's a very real thought that I have any time I have that ability. I almost didn't shoot anyone last night.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: funnygurl] aubergine

[ts account]

What if he wasn't confident enough in any of his reads to justify killing someone?

That should not be a real thought. A vigshot is simply a public cop check. It is always beneficial to use it if one is given to you (and funnygurl is right in her post, that night 1 seems more optimal to use it than night 2, if macdougall was indeed given the option).

A misfire reduces town's numbers. That is damaging. It's a very real thought that I have any time I have that ability. I almost didn't shoot anyone last night.

Had you not, you would have misplayed. It is that simple.

[ts account]

Since nobody is claiming the Ted kill, we have to assume that it was either MacDougall using his kill or mafia had access to two KP last night.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I maintain that speedchuck is the right lynch today, if our interlopers are to be trusted.

I seriously need some character claims from some people. @speedchuck @Epignosis Here’s the defense: it’s role madness and I know nothing about Assassin’s Creed so you’re not losing much.

This is the wolf case.

Funnygurl can back me up on this. We're in the middle of a mechanical dichotomy, and someone wants us to lynch outside the mechanical dichotomy. Somehow, that makes you a wolf.

You’re wrong

[ts account]

You’re wrong

Do you not agree that there is mechanically a wolf in Epignosis and Funnygurl?

[Sloonei]

Since nobody is claiming the Ted kill, we have to assume that it was either MacDougall using his kill or mafia had access to two KP last night.

I struggle to see mac doing that, but good point. Does anyone want to take credit for killing ted?

[Funnygurl555]

[VOTE: funnygurl] aubergine

but why

[TonyStarkPrime]

You’re wrong

Do you not agree that there is mechanically a wolf in Epignosis and Funnygurl?

You’re wrong that it’s a mechanical dichotomy, if I want to be technical, since both can easily be wolves. I think it’s highly unlikely that both are town just because then you and LC are both scum. I think the highest likelihood is that both of them are scum, in which case we should lynch FG and then Epi or something. But I wasn’t thinking about Mac’s role before, so I wasn’t considering all of the options.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Since nobody is claiming the Ted kill, we have to assume that it was either MacDougall using his kill or mafia had access to two KP last night.

I struggle to see mac doing that, but good point. Does anyone want to take credit for killing ted?

or mac

[TonyStarkPrime]

It further probably heightens the probability that Mac used the block all targets day 1 thing because if he hadn’t mechanically it seems like Ted and Mac would have been it BTSC

[ts account]

As it stands, I see too many things pointing to Epignosis being the wolf of the two. And hey, if I am wrong, Funnygurl 2 stronk.
[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: funnygurl] aubergine

but why

Well you claim to have watched Mac on Night 1. You also answered my question about when Mac would have been more likely to use his pirate ship ability by saying that Night 1 makes more sense.

If Mac used his pirate ship on Night 1, you can't have watched him unless you also had a pirate ship. You've already said that you do not.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Mac’s own discussion of why he wasn’t killed night 1 comes into play

[ts account]

Mac’s own discussion of why he wasn’t killed night 1 comes into play

Link to this.

[Sloonei]

It further probably heightens the probability that Mac used the block all targets day 1 thing because if he hadn’t mechanically it seems like Ted and Mac would have been it BTSC

This is all covered in Sloonei's latest novel.

[Sloonei]

Mac’s own discussion of why he wasn’t killed night 1 comes into play

But this isn't. This is juicy. Let us look.

[Funnygurl555]

[VOTE: funnygurl] aubergine

but why

Well you claim to have watched Mac on Night 1. You also answered my question about when Mac would have been more likely to use his pirate ship ability by saying that Night 1 makes more sense.

If Mac used his pirate ship on Night 1, you can't have watched him unless you also had a pirate ship. You've already said that you do not.

i have an eagle

[Funnygurl555]

my analysis could just be wrong then. perhaps i couldn't have watched mac if he did use his power n1

but that just means he either used it n2 or holstered it. but i assumed eagles could find pirate ships 'cause eagles can fly over water

[ts account]

my analysis could just be wrong then. perhaps i couldn't have watched mac if he did use his power n1

but that just means he either used it n2 or holstered it. but i assumed eagles could find pirate ships 'cause eagles can fly over water :confused2: :confused2:

Sorry, what? I need you to rephrase this.

[TonyStarkPrime]

For me, the Dragomir kill as opposed to a Sloonei/Mac kill makes tremendous sense to have been executed by exactly Sloonei and/or Mac. That he was killed over me, also makes me suspect that the kill was fired from someone/s whose bulk are inside my hypothesised town core, or at least quite comfortably nullish (perhaps a TonyStarkPrime).

I strongly feel like LC/Speedchuck combinations usually shoot me. Epignosis can go either way as I know he tends to let others make decisions about kills.

I spent a lot of this day 2 fucking around doing nothing and drew nearly no suspicion from anyone. I feel pocketed.

It's just that there is no world in which Sloonei is the right lynch. He is the town captain and his effort is incredible so far going far beyond anything he mustered in the GOC. And if he is town and we flip him it's almost game throwing. So if not him, then whom? Who makes a decision to shoot Dragomir that isn't Sloonei? Can a team that has Long Con and/or Speedchuck and/or Turnip Head in it choose to shoot him? I really don't think so. Then again perhaps this is all just wifom. But wifom is garbage reasoning. Turnip Head shoots Sloonei I feel. Speedchuck and LC shoot Mac? It might be galaxy brain but I almost want to townclear all three of them because of this. Unless TH and Sloonei are teammates? Actually I think they might be? They were both towncored by me.

I am wondering whether TS Account's game quality here has risen exactly because of his alignment (and contributing partners)? Or perhaps the same can be said for Funnygirl? But Funnygirl's schtick of begging Mikey to find her ... is that in range for any scum to play up to that degree? I ... don't think so.

Master Radishes is the one who can be scum in any combinations though. He has no reason to prefer to shoot me or Sloonei. Maybe that makes him town? He is hung out to dry?

I think TSP qualifies as someone who would not have shot Drago too tbh.

I think the team is Sloonei + Turnip Head + one of Mikey/Funnygirl ... probably Funnygirl?

If so I am shot tonight and they're going to win so I'm probs just gonna meme now.

Some stuff that hits slightly different if he sometimes has immunity. Can’t decipher if he expected to be immune night one or night two.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: funnygurl] aubergine

but why

Well you claim to have watched Mac on Night 1. You also answered my question about when Mac would have been more likely to use his pirate ship ability by saying that Night 1 makes more sense.

If Mac used his pirate ship on Night 1, you can't have watched him unless you also had a pirate ship. You've already said that you do not.

i have an eagle

And? What does the eagle do?

[ts account]

I am wondering whether TS Account's game quality here has risen exactly because of his alignment (and contributing partners)?

Excuse me but Mac what the heck is this supposed to mean?!

[Funnygurl555]

my analysis could just be wrong then. perhaps i couldn't have watched mac if he did use his power n1

but that just means he either used it n2 or holstered it. but i assumed eagles could find pirate ships 'cause eagles can fly over water

Sorry, what? I need you to rephrase this.

i think the best time to go on the pirate ship is n1, so you could potentially use it more times. sloonei's suspecting me because i think mac used it n1 but i also watched him n1. i kinda assumed that i could watch him anyways 'cause if he goes on a ship then while he's unreachable to regular ol' humans my eagle could fly and reach a pirate ship.

but if that's not the case then me successfully watching mac n1 means he didn't use it n1

[Funnygurl555]

[VOTE: funnygurl] aubergine

but why

Well you claim to have watched Mac on Night 1. You also answered my question about when Mac would have been more likely to use his pirate ship ability by saying that Night 1 makes more sense.

If Mac used his pirate ship on Night 1, you can't have watched him unless you also had a pirate ship. You've already said that you do not.

i have an eagle

And? What does the eagle do?

my eagle's the watcher technically, not me

[Sloonei]

Most of that mac stuff reads as speculation about why Drago was killed more than anything centered around himself. Like Tony says, it's tough to gauge whether or not mac would have expected immunity on either night in particular.

[TonyStarkPrime]

my analysis could just be wrong then. perhaps i couldn't have watched mac if he did use his power n1

but that just means he either used it n2 or holstered it. but i assumed eagles could find pirate ships 'cause eagles can fly over water

Sorry, what? I need you to rephrase this.

i think the best time to go on the pirate ship is n1, so you could potentially use it more times. sloonei's suspecting me because i think mac used it n1 but i also watched him n1. i kinda assumed that i could watch him anyways 'cause if he goes on a ship then while he's unreachable to regular ol' humans my eagle could fly and reach a pirate ship.

but if that's not the case then me successfully watching mac n1 means he didn't use it n1

okay I’ve had enough
Vote FG

it’s Epi FG Speed lock it in

[ts account]

Some stuff that hits slightly different if he sometimes has immunity. Can’t decipher if he expected to be immune night one or night two.

I'm sorry, but I do not get the same analysis here as you do. It looks to me like he is just including himself in the PoE. I would also expected MacDougall to have claimed the shot.

[Funnygurl555]

leave my eagle alone y'all they did their best