The Syndicate

True story that really happened but wasn’t worth mentioning while the game was happening:

I tried to switch my vote from Scotty to Creature on Day 1 at the very last second, but I accidentally right clicked on my laptop’s track pad instead of left clicking. Then the poll locked before I could submit the vote change.

It wouldn’t have changed the result, so I didn’t feel too stupid about it. But I did feel some stupid about it.

I was a giant tortoise

Thank you to everyone for making this game happen. I love me a good crossover, and the SDN crowd was as pleasant as could be. I hope and trust that our Mods had a very boring game!

And well-played. I echo Mac’s sentiments. Werefolk did not play poorly. They just ran into a collective of townies who all made themselves very obvious.

Flip dat coin, I guess

Santy feels town to me in this instant, which is something I have had a hard time saying in this game.

[VOTE: svs] aubergine

It is not impossible that we only have a single non-town player left in the game.

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:25 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:22 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:12 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:11 pm My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny
Why is Mayo town? They were very very obviously not aligned with the Werecreatures, but that is not the same as "town".
My VCA is perfect.

I shot falcon.

I outed Lawpy and Genny.

What part isn't village? Honestly, my only criticism is that I'm still alive.
But we're not looking for were creatures anymore so a lot of those village points become a lot more obfuscated
What affiliation do you think fits my play at this point?

You're not asking me, but I started this conversation, so:

To be clear, I think you are town. But it is worth revisiting all our reads at this stage.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:12 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:01 pm And SVS is opportunisticly voting me while calling me opportunistic too ig.

And SAR/Neon is always town
I’m voting you because I don’t want Dennis yeeted, and I find you more likely to be bad than Sloonei, who was the alternative.

Is hyperbole a town thing for you?

Why am I the alternative?

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:19 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:16 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:11 pm My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny
Why SVS? I get that you don't trust the mason claim for the other two
They were hyperfocused on miranda, and the confidence level on miranda being a wolf thinking of possible 3p wanting to take over gives me the heebie jeebies.
Them voting me with those reasons also doesnt help me to see them better

Would 3p want to take over, knowing that that would bring increased scrutiny onto themselves? Having wolves keeps the heat off a bit.

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:11 pm My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny

Why is Mayo town? They were very very obviously not aligned with the Werecreatures, but that is not the same as "town".

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:06 pm I also think that Seanzie had a lot of microvillagery moments , and that your claim its super likely to be true based on who you used it on and its hard to imagine it coming from a evil 3p

I also do not get anti-town vibes from Seanzie.

Is there any reason why mass claiming is not a good idea at this point?

I have already claimed. But in case we forgot: I am a 2-shot inventor. I gave out minimally-useful items, but had no control over what items I distributed each night. I targeted Falcon the night he died. I targeted Genny the night before she was voted out, and she confirmed my action. She never told us what I gave her, but it wasn't important.

I am torn between wanting to test the mason claim and wanting to trust it and look elsewhere. But I frankly do not know where to begin if the plan is to look elsewhere right now. Ordinarily I would treat this as Day 1 of a new game, but I wasn't around all day and the shortened phases make this more challenging to begin with.

When I ISO'd SAR yesterday, I came away feeling like she is distinctly town. I do not think we should vote for her today.

Those posts are indeed from Day 3.

My gut is telling me SVS is not town. But I have not done any extensive hunting for whatever the new faction is called.

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 11:40 pm Dennis and I are Masons. Our combined community role was the ability to bring in another player to our Mason chat, but the mods wouldn't tell us any details of their alignment.

The risk was we would invite a wolf into Mason chat if we didn't pick carefully, or invite a NK'd villager into chat if we picked someone who was too obviously village (which actually happened)

Why didn’t you guys offer more vocal support of one another in the thread?

I am wary of a mason claim when we are now looking for a non-mafia faction. But I am not sure I distrust Dennis’ claim and would like it if we turned over more than one stome today.

[VOTE: miranda] aubergine again, meh

[VOTE: dennis] aubergine yolo

Yeah I’m gonna need Dennis to explain things clearly.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:48 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:47 pm Wait nm, Neon said she roleblocked you n1.
Which begs the question.

Why did Dennis say MR didn't do anything and not that he was roleblocked?

Mmmmm...

Could just be silly semantics, but

Santy, SVS, and Neon are now the three players I have the least-defined reads on. If all four of us are alive tomorrow, they will be my top priorities. Unless Miranda flips werecreature, in which case I don't think SVS is aligned with her.

[VOTE: Miranda] aubergine

I can see a world where Miranda is mafia, but I can also easily see one where she is town. But I just spent this phase trying to remove players from the POE, and was unable to do so with her. Also we don't really have time to change course anyway, so I am just crossing my fingers at this point.

SVS will deserve to be looked at if Miranda flips town.

I gotta ISO SAR doghandler real quick.

Spoiler: show

SAR missed most of the early action in the game. Not a criticism, just making note of it. Anything from early Day 1 is being skipped over here.

Spoiler: show

First real relevant post is inquiring about expanding off of the two main wagons. One of those wagons was Creature, but the other was Town Scotty. Werecreatures had no need to try to find an alternative wagon when a perfectly suitable Scotty wagon was sitting right there.

Spoiler: show

I am unsure why this Dennis vote gets a ninja react.

Spoiler: show

SAR responds to one of my posts with some implied mild skepticism. I am used to this sort of thing, but still wary of it as a potentially easy suspicion for mafiers to latch onto.

Spoiler: show

This would certainly be a bold reaction if SAR was a member of the team that killed AM. But we don't know for sure who was responsible for that kill, so moot point.

Spoiler: show

Some reads. I do like that SAR appears to be offering reads freely without provocation, but that's not really enough to earn a town read. But it's Not A Bad Look. The most interesting thing to me here is that Miranda was "basically lock town" at this point. Genny also gets special attention, which might be a good thing, though it doesn't amount to much yet.
I'll need to see this reads expanded on and developed to have much to say about them.

Spoiler: show

Meh vote.

Spoiler: show

Town read on Mac is fine, but standard issue. Everyone knew Mac was town the second he walked in.
The resistance to a Creature vote is a mild concern here. It is at least substantiated in a believable way.

Spoiler: show

I am programmed to furrow my brow at posts like this.

Spoiler: show

All of SAR's reads at this point are on SDN folks, which is fine. This looks like SAR is hinting at the possibility of maybe suspecting dya, but it's barely anything at all. It's hard to call any of these reads firm except for the three town reads at the end.

Spoiler: show

Not a bad vote for Falcon here. Falcon was a fairly prominent suspect at this stage, but not a sure thing to go over by any means. The reasoning also looks believable.

Spoiler: show

While voting for Falcon, SAR asks santy to explain why Creature should also be voted. If SAR is teammates with both Falcon and Creature, she is playing a dangerous game here. If we want to interpret this as resisting a Creature vote: Why bother pushing back against Creature while simultaneously voting for Falcon? If we interpret it as encouraging more discussion about the Creature case: Why is SAR so comfortable bussing two teammates at once? Especially at a point when SAR herself was not exactly high-presence in the thread. I think this is a good look for SAR, on both tone and content.

Spoiler: show

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 6:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:18 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:39 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:32 am I'm sorry but I remember the first time I played with falcon I also sussed them, took the insight of some Syndicate people that were kinda in the middle and just went into 'sure falcon is mafia' mindset ignoring other people calling them town and never really got out of there. Falcon was town there.
I think seeing the falcon wagon as PURE SDN and the peole from the same site that know him more calling them town should be a huge signal of that wagon being bad.
I know Zenge is tunneled . But I hope this is a wake-up call if you are town

@SARdoghandler @potentialsheltervet @mightyrunner7
I'm willing to redirect, but wanted to get a vote on the board at the very least.

I want to get Zenge out of his tunnel because he's an extremely valuable town player but if he's going to hyperfocus on his falcon read then I don't know how else to do that. I've seen some of the points on Marmot/Creature (read back over the past two pages or so). Can you elaborate on why you feel strongly Creature is a hit? If you've already explicitly detailed, then directing me to a post is fine but I doubt I'll be able to do a full catch up today like I did yesterday
You seem to have no read on Falcon at all yet voted them despite identifying that Zenge was tunneling because voting Falcon is the only way you know how to get Zenge out of tunnel?

Am I reading this correctly?
Yeah that about sums it up. I probably got in way over my head with this game tbh. I knew that it was probably going to be high posting compared to the typical SDN game but when we are on D2 and already over 50 pages... Well, like I said. I'm over my head. I usually have ~30-60 of dedicated time to play per day. So add that to the fact I'm unfamiliar with half the roster so can't make snap reads and

It's sub par but right now sheeping my top village reads is at least something. If ya'll want to yeet me for it, that's cool so that at least I'm not a distraction later but if you think my reads and posts would be this bad if I had a pack behind me to feed me things... Well, I got bad news

I don't object to this mindset from a civilian. But do I believe it? Gun to my head... yes, kind of.

Spoiler: show

This just doesn't feel like somebody who is teamed with Lawpy and Genny. The way SAR talks about each of them is distinct from the other. Genny is a default suspect due to their lower-than-normal volume, while Lawpy is somebody SAR chooses to abstain from reading for now. These reads don't feel labored at all either. SAR is very direct and to the point, even if the reads themselves aren't super detailed. I'm inclined to like that on its own.

Spoiler: show

SAR is engaging with Mayo's Lawpy trap. Interesting. Let's see where this goes.

Spoiler: show

I do not hate this rainbow list. I'm unsure how buried Lawpy was at this stage, so it's tough to give SAR (or anyone besides Mayo) too much credit for having Lawpy as a primary suspect here. The inclusion of Genny near the bottom is also a good look. SAR also has a couple names in green (Miranda and MR7) that a wolf would need as suspects at this stage of the game, so I might like that.

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 5:50 pm [VOTE: Lawpy] aubergine

A vote for Lawpy. See previous comment. Not a bad look, but hard to give too much credit for this vote at this stage.

Spoiler: show

Is this how a teammate calls out their inactive partner in the thread? I don't know, maybe it's a thing SAR would do. But my gut reaction is that this looks like an authentic plea for Genny to make herself easier to read. Which would be a good look for SAR. This a gut/tonal read, and that is something that SAR could probably fake with ease. But whatever.

Spoiler: show

I wonder what I did to move out of the yellow.

Spoiler: show

I just do not feel like SAR's posts in this exchange come from mafia. Both in terms of tone and content. On content, the read on Genny feels very natural. There is a little bit of hesitation toward voting for Genny, but it's not the kind of resistance I would expect from a teammate. She's stating plainly that she has reservations about the vote, but does not feel strongly enough about them to stand in the way of the wagon.

On tone, SAR is very casual and fluid. I can't see people as they type away at their keyboards, but I can just picture these words flowing out of SAR's fingertips without any labor involved. She is an open book here.

Spoiler: show

This interaction would be easy enough to fake if Genny and SAR are teammates. But it does not have to be faked.

Spoiler: show

Does Genny's teammate bother to stick up for her at a time like this? (~45 minutes before EoD with Genny leading in the poll, I believe).

Spoiler: show

Sometimes town is just wrong about things. SAR was consistent and direct in her defense of Genny towards the end of Day 4 (she believed Genny's claim and thought it looked like something town Genny would do). I don't think this defense needs to reflect poorly on Genny, especially when SAR was open to criticism of Genny throughout the game prior to this moment. I can see a natural progression before SAR arrived at this point.

Spoiler: show

I wasn't exactly looking for this, but I didn't see any instances of "softing" this, unless SAR is simply referring to her entire town read on Genny.

Spoiler: show

Something happened that made SAR feel better about Santy. Maybe it was just Genny's flip. I'd like to hear more about SAR's read on Santy regardless.

Spoiler: show

I do not know why my name appears here. Mayo is a strong town read and I don't think I have said anything to the contrary.

And now we're caught up to the present day, where some interesting things have happened, but I don't think it's pertinent to include them in this ISO.

Conclusion: SAR looks town. Not just "inconclusive, GTH I'd call her town." But there was a consistent tone and energy throughout this ISO that felt very authentic. I can easily pick out real progressions, and do not sense any discomfort or tension from any of SAR's posts.

I will not be voting for SAR today. Given the current state of things, I guess that means I need to vote for Miranda.

miranda920 wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 4:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 4:01 pm
miranda920 wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 1:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 1:51 am @miranda920 Don't feel pressured to read all of that nonsense I just wrote about you. I have a few direct questions for you, and am more interested in how you respond to these than anything else.

1) Can you elaborate on your read of Nate, both at earlier stages in the game, and right now? I am particularly interested with how you interpreted this post from Mac about Nate's "slip" which was actually a town slip.

2) What is preventing you from having a read on SVS? You have interacted with her more than just about anyone else over the last few phases of the game. She has been the one leading the bandwagon against you, and I've felt like your responses to her suggest that you feel like she's approaching you from an honest perspective. Yet you have repeatedly listed her as "neutral" whenever asked to share a read. How do you feel about SVS and the way she has put pressure on you?

1. Okay, so when I was trying to catch up I started at a random point and came across that point Mac made about Nate. Without additional context, it was an interesting point. Clearly enough for me to comment on it.
However, and I can’t remember what it was on the spot, but something else was said that explained why that comment wasn’t actually strange.
That was my only ping on Nate and it was resolved because I didn’t understand what was actually being said originally.
This is part of the problem when trying to play when your life is a little busier than normal, I just really don’t have the full comprehension of what has been happening.

2.While not exactly the same as Zenge/falcon back and forth, I guess I struggle to put her in lock town because she’s laser focused on me. I can’t exactly be like “OMG SVS is wolfy” because then that’s retaliatory, but the fact that she is insistent on me gives me pause…
Sorry, but I don’t feel like this actually answered either of my questions.

This makes it seem like you pushed a Nate suspicion without actually knowing why you were pushing it. Can you explain why, specifically, you suspected Nate? And has that read changed at all?

Also, if you had to give a read on SVS, no neutral stance allowed, what would it be?
I would hardly call me saying something was interesting was a push. Especially within a matter of moments it was clarified that it was a town slip and not a wolf slip. It was momentary confusion of me trying to get caught up.
In my most recent read I had Nate as town lean. Are you sure you read all my post? Lol

If neutral wasn’t an option, I’d say SVS is probably town/WC aligned

You definitely held onto a Nate suspicion for more than just a moment. It predated the “slip” post. But my question remains: why did you initially suspect Nate for the “slip” post? What did you think Mac’s post meant?

I’m unclear on what you are saying about SVS.

miranda920 wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 1:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 1:51 am @miranda920 Don't feel pressured to read all of that nonsense I just wrote about you. I have a few direct questions for you, and am more interested in how you respond to these than anything else.

1) Can you elaborate on your read of Nate, both at earlier stages in the game, and right now? I am particularly interested with how you interpreted this post from Mac about Nate's "slip" which was actually a town slip.

2) What is preventing you from having a read on SVS? You have interacted with her more than just about anyone else over the last few phases of the game. She has been the one leading the bandwagon against you, and I've felt like your responses to her suggest that you feel like she's approaching you from an honest perspective. Yet you have repeatedly listed her as "neutral" whenever asked to share a read. How do you feel about SVS and the way she has put pressure on you?

1. Okay, so when I was trying to catch up I started at a random point and came across that point Mac made about Nate. Without additional context, it was an interesting point. Clearly enough for me to comment on it.
However, and I can’t remember what it was on the spot, but something else was said that explained why that comment wasn’t actually strange.
That was my only ping on Nate and it was resolved because I didn’t understand what was actually being said originally.
This is part of the problem when trying to play when your life is a little busier than normal, I just really don’t have the full comprehension of what has been happening.

2.While not exactly the same as Zenge/falcon back and forth, I guess I struggle to put her in lock town because she’s laser focused on me. I can’t exactly be like “OMG SVS is wolfy” because then that’s retaliatory, but the fact that she is insistent on me gives me pause…

Sorry, but I don’t feel like this actually answered either of my questions.

This makes it seem like you pushed a Nate suspicion without actually knowing why you were pushing it. Can you explain why, specifically, you suspected Nate? And has that read changed at all?

Also, if you had to give a read on SVS, no neutral stance allowed, what would it be?

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 3:49 pm @Sloonei why did all of your wolf iso's mention me at the end and be like "oh he looks better

.. but he could be bad tho"

Because there were a few isolated moments where you looked good, but I was concerned about how infrequently you appeared in their ISOs given how much you have been talked about this game.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 3:07 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 2:35 am
Neon wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 2:23 am I wanna ask a question. Is anyone besides me actually town reading Miranda?
I was for a hot minute there during the ISO. Did the Magic 8 Ball give you a more detailed response?
Yeah it said that with 97.5 Werecreatures dead Miranda isn't one unless she's exactly the last one and I don't think she is.

Why not?

Neon wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 2:23 am I wanna ask a question. Is anyone besides me actually town reading Miranda?

I was for a hot minute there during the ISO. Did the Magic 8 Ball give you a more detailed response?

@miranda920 Don't feel pressured to read all of that nonsense I just wrote about you. I have a few direct questions for you, and am more interested in how you respond to these than anything else.

1) Can you elaborate on your read of Nate, both at earlier stages in the game, and right now? I am particularly interested with how you interpreted this post from Mac about Nate's "slip" which was actually a town slip.

2) What is preventing you from having a read on SVS? You have interacted with her more than just about anyone else over the last few phases of the game. She has been the one leading the bandwagon against you, and I've felt like your responses to her suggest that you feel like she's approaching you from an honest perspective. Yet you have repeatedly listed her as "neutral" whenever asked to share a read. How do you feel about SVS and the way she has put pressure on you?

Let's ISO Miranda

Spoiler: show

Is it naive of me to say that Miranda looks good here because she introduced herself to Creature like that? Maybe. I don't know. I want to like this. It feels like a genuine greeting, which is less likely to exist if these two are werepartners. But that would be dependent on both of them having checked in and interacted in their secret lair pregame. I don't believe Creature would be the most lively person ever in pregame chat.

Spoiler: show

Miranda does not know how to respond to a Falcon non sequitur. Does this mean anything? Maybe. I just talked about this exchange a little bit in my Falcon ISO a couple hours ago. But as I've had time to reflect in my old age, I have an Updated Take. Miranda is a relative newbie to the game, by her own admission. If she is Falcon's partner, he is risking putting her (and himself) in a slightly awkward spot with this type of post. It means nothing and is difficult to follow, so it could very easily trip her up if he's trying to improvise a bit of theater with her in the thread. So, by that roundabout logic, I'm tempted to call this a good look for Miranda.

Spoiler: show

Miranda's first extensive commentary of the game. This is a harmless post. There is nothing about it that can't be faked. But I find nothing objectionable in the content itself. Miranda is a relatively inexperienced player in a foreign setting. I would expect her to take some time developing reads on many of the unfamiliar faces. That she offers a positive read on Scotty, one of those unfamiliar faces, so readily is striking. But that's not a problem, and Scotty did make a bold impression with his animal reads list early in the game.

Spoiler: show

Miranda justifies her town read on Scotty a bit. I don't know if I agree that Scotty's animal reads list also constituted a general reads list. That is a fair objection, though I can see a world where Miranda interpreted it as something resembling a reads list. It would probably have been worth it to ask Miranda what reads Scotty produced in that post. But the moment has probably passed.

miranda920 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:45 pm I’m town reading because despite the reads being on NAI posts it felt like a genuine effort!

Alright, yeah, I think I'm settling on being okay with this. Miranda seems more enamored with Scotty's effort and energy than with his content. And that is fine and fair.

Spoiler: show

Similarly, this response feels relaxed. I don't sense discomfort from Miranda in the face of some moderate Day 1 interrogation.

Spoiler: show

Early-game Miranda seemed more preoccupied with her most recent game experience than with the current one. I can see a world where this is a good look, actually. If Miranda is mafia in a new setting right now, she's probably gonna be hyper-conscious of how she looks and how she's acting. I don't get the sense that that is happening in her responses to my questions here. She seems fully relaxed, answering my questions honestly as I drop them on her. They're not super informative as it pertains to this game right here and right now, but they do give good insight into her mentality. Which is really all that I was looking for with these questions anyway. So kudos, I like these responses in hindsight.

Spoiler: show

Miranda's first vote is for SportPonies, because of something that happened in their exchange with Zenge. I don't really know what Miranda is referring to. It's not that important at this stage. The vote, on the surface, is nothing out of the ordinary for a relatively new player on Day 1 of a game where they don't know half the roster.

The Santy call out feels a little more questionable, though. I'm not sure why it's there and it doesn't achieve much more than just throwing shade on a player. I remember Miranda returning to this point RE: Santy's absence later on and found it highly questionable.

Spoiler: show

Miranda isn't afraid to acknowledge the Falcon vs. Zenge kerfuffle. That's almost a good look. But it's not quite, because she says absolutely nothing about Falcon in doing so. The Zenge read also mirrors what everyone else in the thread was saying at the time.

Spoiler: show

Here is the exchange I referenced a moment ago about Miranda returning to her Santy suspicion. I object to this early-game read at face value, and tried to make that clear. But, at the same time, I don't hate Miranda's response. She, again, feels totally unbothered by the pressure I'm putting on her. If she's mafia, I might expect her to want to be more appeasing or feel a stronger urge to justify herself. "Maybe?

" is as nonchalant a response as one can give in this situation.

Spoiler: show

People were talking about Marmot and Nate as suspects. Miranda takes a look and isn't really feeling the case on either of them, though she leaves the door open for a Nate vote. Not the best look, but she's at least not being overtly opportunistic here.

Spoiler: show

This starts out looking like a decent post from Miranda regarding Creature, but then she walks back the would-be suspicion by citing Creature's alleged busy-ness. Meh.

Spoiler: show

Man, knowing Marmot's alignment would help a lot right here. If Marmot is town, this is a good look. If Marmot is mafia, it's bad. But we can't know, so

Spoiler: show

Kinda getting into semantics here, but I continue to not hate Miranda's responses to the criticism she faced for noting Santy's absence. I asked her where should be voting if she needed to cast a vote, and she named Santy, citing his absence. Multiple people pointed out that this should not be regarded as suspicious, and Miranda's response was essentially to say that she agrees, and that she only pointed out because it was strange. The framing of my question was meant to be "Who is the most suspicious person in this game?", but Miranda may have taken it another direction. Maybe this is backpedaling after a misstep. Or maybe it's just Miranda being on a different page than some other people.

Spoiler: show

Miranda appears to be on board with the idea of voting for Creature. But this is at a point where bussing Creature would have made complete sense.

Spoiler: show

Here's another of an example of a poster where I could see a world where Miranda is mafia, but it's just as easy to see it as her simply being on a different page. SVS indicates that Miranda should have been more critical of Creature earlier. Miranda responds by saying she was critical of him, but apparently not to the same standards that SVS (and others) would approve of.

Spoiler: show

A few previous posts have indicated that Miranda and SAR are fairly close in the context of mafier games. So it makes sense that Miranda would be hyper aware of SAR suspicion in the thread. I think this is a good, natural look from Miranda.

Spoiler: show

Miranda votes for Marmot over Creature. Is this a good look? Not sure. But we are 100% on Creature's alignment, so the best I can say is that Miranda decidedly did not contribute to Creature's demise. But Creature wasn't really in a position to be saved, and I actually think his teammates would have been more willing to bus him for credit than to attempt to save him. (Here's the point in the ISO where I hit pause to go check the poll results, and... Falcon was on Creature, Genny was on Falcon, and Lawpy was off wagon with a Mayo vote. The Marmot wagon was just Miranda and Dennis. There was no coordinated save attempt, but Miranda's vote came 4 hours before the deadline. Meh, I don't love the vote but I can't call it terrible either. It's a mildly bad look.

Spoiler: show

It's not unfair for Miranda to have pulled this quote out in a vacuum. But it is questionable that Miranda singled out this post, and only this post, while apparently reading back through the thread. Surely there were other things she could have commented on as well.

I don't object to SVS's pressure in this post, and I also sense some real discomfort from Miranda for the first time. That could be a combination of real life stress and agitation for feeling like she's being questioned unfairly. But I've previously felt good about Miranda because of her calmness in the face of pressure, and that is notably changed here.

miranda920 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:50 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:30 am @miranda920 can you tell me about your current view? Like, who are your confident reads / try to sort people into town/scum ?

Dont think you trying to shiel/explain yourself on why you did for being pressed on time or whatever will make me feel better about you, so I think taking a different stance and try to solve/put your thought on the game will help me more

Lawpy - lean wolf
Genny - neutral, Genny is always a challenging read for me
Mayo - neutral, leaning more town
MR7 - town
Nate - neutral, unsure there are some iffy things
Santy - surprisingly you seem town to me, but you could easily good me
SAR - leans town
Dennis - neutral
Tutuu - seems townie
Mac - also seems town
Neon - feels town
SVS - neutral (also I promised I will get you those quotes when I have access to my laptop)
Seanzie - unsure, nothing has stood out to me about them
Sloonei - I’ve generally felt fine about them

This is handy, thanks Santy. I've left this one unspoilered and added colors to make it easier to analyze Miranda's reads list. Colors reflect flipped player's true alignments, underlined reads are ones that Miranda got right (I included myself for my own sake. I'm tempted to also treat Nate and Mayo as lock town, but I won't.) The only flip Miranda didn't get right here is Genny, who she had as "neutral". Granted, tutuu and mac were super easy. I think Lawpy was also fairly obvious at this point in the game as well. So it is difficult to give Miranda too much credit for that.

I disagree wholeheartedly with the Nate read. If that isn't explained at some point in this ISO, I'd like Miranda to talk some more about Nate today.

Spoiler: show

Well this is an interesting take. If Miranda is mafia, she probably needs Mighty to be a suspect. But Miranda is out here firmly pushing a town read on mighty that hasn't been too widely circulated in the thread. This is not rock solid, and I could make some arguments for why it does not need to point to Miranda being town. But if I'm forced to make a read one way or the other, I'd say this is a mildly good look for Miranda.

Spoiler: show

Miranda votes for Lawpy at a time when everybody and their mother was voting for Lawpy.

Spoiler: show

I think this unsolicited ping is the first time Miranda has mentioned Genny all game. Seanzie too, but he's less relevant for the purposes of this exercise. But maybe it's not strictly irrelevant that Seanzie is here at all. Sometimes when mafiers want to call out a teammate or say something negative about a teammate, they'll sandwich it in a similar complaint about another player. It's like player salad, but different. It's player sandwiching. I allege that Miranda might be sandwiching Genny here.

Spoiler: show

Why does this make Nate suspicious? Nate being unaware of Creature's role would be a town slip, not a mafia slip, wouldn't it?

Spoiler: show

I am not sure what to make of this response. I believe Miranda's emotional response to this pressure 100%. I think she is being completely honest when she says she is disappointed with her activity level, but that it's been unavoidable. I think she really does feel bad for letting the game down, in a sense. But I don't think that any of this speaks to her alignment. She could make this post as town. She could make this post as mafia. I think there should also be an implicit town read on SVS here, just based on the way Miranda has reacted to her pressure at various points throughout this game.

Spoiler: show

Then I have to question how and why that post was interpreted any differently.

Spoiler: show

This direct defense of Genny is not very inspiring.

Spoiler: show

Oof, I dislike this post. The reads list does not change much from the previous one, but the changes that are made are not good ones. Some doubts have crept in about Mac. Bleh. Seanzie is suddenly, and without substantiation, looking bad. Meanwhile, Genny continues to not look bad despite being an even less-involved player then Seanzie. I also don't know how to feel about the non-read on SVS. As I said earlier, I feel like Miranda's deferential tone in response to SVS throughout the game suggests that she feels SVS's pressure is coming from a genuine and honest place. That should suggest a town read. I want to know what is preventing Miranda from having that read.

The list is capped off with a Seanzie vote. Prior to this post, my GTH read on Miranda would have been town. After this post, I might have changed my mind.

Spoiler: show

The Mac doubts have vanished.

Spoiler: show

This would feel like a very convoluted excuse not to vote for Genny, if Miranda's very next post (albeit several hours later) was not a vote for Genny.

... but then she jumps ship when another candidate emerges:

Spoiler: show

Generic prod. Beep boop. First attempted interaction with Genny all game, I think. Not inspiring.

Spoiler: show

Genny does not supply an answer. Miranda presses a little further. It's better than nothing, but still nothing beyond generic pressure.

Spoiler: show

And we're caught up to the present day. I have questions for Miranda which I'll ask in a separate post just so things are easier to look at.

------------

Final thoughts: I was feeling good about Miranda through the first 2/3rds of this ISO. I thought there were several moments where she looked downright good. That all started to change around Day 3 when she started to give questionable reads that have not felt aligned with the (so far successful) solving efforts of the town. I cannot remove her from my POE, although there were a handful of moments in here where I wanted to.

i'm skipping creature for now because I already ISO'd him in silence overnight after he flipped, and I didn't find it particularly informative. I might come back to him later because his ISO is short. But I'd rather start focusing on the POE right now.

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 11:56 pm [VOTE: SARdoghandler] aubergine

Im fine with Sloonei. Pocketed by their ISOs (and mostly them quoting for me Lawpy sussing them)

I think Mighty is also back to being fine, but maybe not as fine as sloonei

I also think Falcon's super limp reactions to my prods on Day 1 should be taken as even more evidence that I am never partnered with him. for the record.

anyway i've decided to do some more isos right here and right now.

I will do my best to ISO at least SAR and Miranda before this phase ends. I’d also like to take a closer look at Mighty, SVS, and Dennis. But time is limited and I don’t know if I’ll be able to get to everybody.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 11:08 pm
mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 11:07 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 10:40 pm [VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Everyone whose name does not start with M or S must be elim'd.
This post is the main reason I took Seanzie out of my POE. I feel like wolf Seanzie would have tried to play out a misyeet attempt against myself, but now he has moved on to other (rather silly) areas. I don't see someone with 4 dead packmates do that
I also have been spewed town situationally like 4 times, but okay. If you want to ignore that?

Maybe mighty just did not see these alleged incidents.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 10:40 pm [VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Everyone whose name does not start with M or S must be elim'd.

What do you think of my Dennis/Falcon analysis?

And SAR. I keep forgetting SAR. SAR is also not coming up at all in any of these ISOs.

Falcon. Falcon, falcon falcon falcon.

Spoiler: show

The first target of Falcon's spastic accusation phase is Dennis. This is in direct contrast to the previous ISOs, where no one was willing to talk about Dennis at all. Thanks, Falcon. This unprovoked and excessive challenge is a good look for Dennis.

Spoiler: show

Lost in all the Zenge commotion is a soft, implicit defense of Miranda. I barely care about this point, though.

Spoiler: show

More wild shade, this time thrown at Santy. Some of this is just a product of how Falcon approaches the game, so it's not impossible that he'd direct some of this activity at a teammate eventually. I have no reason to believe that's the case here. But it should be noted.

Spoiler: show

This is a more calm and normal question for Santy RE: Neon. Hooray. I have no read on it, but it exists.

Spoiler: show

This feels like real confusion and a touch of embarrassment from Falcon, which would be a good look for Santy. Hooray.

Spoiler: show

Alright this is an even better look for Santy. SVS articulates what Falcon had been unable to earlier RE: Santy, and Falcon Falcon seizes on this to re-establish his stance on Santy. If they are teammates, Falcon is taking the distancing approach a step further than he needs to.
SVS is also involved here. But I could go either way on her here. Falcon can easily seize on his own teammate's argument to justify his own. Or it could be a convenient argument articulated by a townie that mirrors the one he was trying to make. Gun to my head, I'd say the latter is more likely, which would be a good look for SVS.

Spoiler: show

This post exists. I'm not sure if it tells me anything about Seanzie. It is barely on-topic.

Spoiler: show

Here's a second instance of Falcon responding to something SVS said about another player. Noted.

Spoiler: show

Hey look, miranda exists.

Spoiler: show

Falcon is at least assuaging my concerns about the entire werecreature team was not talking about Dennis.

Spoiler: show

Agreed. I don't think a mafia Falcon declares a town read on mafia Seanzie like this at this point in the game. Feels more like an attempt to look authentic by giving a real town read on a real player.

Spoiler: show

This exchange with Miranda tells me absolutely nothing.

Spoiler: show

This exchange might prove to be more fruitful if it continues. Falcon is pressing Miranda for reads, but not in his usual manner. That could just be a product of how he perceives Miranda. It had been established by this point that she's a relatively new player. Falcon might just be hesitant to treat her the same way he treated Zenge. But then again, he also prodded Dennis with similar nonsense, and Dennis isn't an extremely seasoned player himself. But Falcon knows Dennis a bit better.

Spoiler: show

I feel good about Neon here for the same reasons outlined for Seanzie above.

Spoiler: show

This also does not feel like a teammate interaction. Seanzie's interjection directly contrasts with what Falcon is trying to do. I don't think teammates run interference on each other's arguments with other players on Day 1 like this. Falcon's response also looks too testy to be partnered. This exchange continues in a similar manner for a few posts. I'm finally feeling alright about Seanzie.

Spoiler: show

I remember disliking this post at the time. I asked Falcon if he had any topics he felt we should be discussing more and he just kinda lazily threw two names out there without anything attached. One of them (santy) is still here. The other was town. Could it be the case that Falcon listed one partner and one town here? Sure. Does that need to be the case? No.

Spoiler: show

Oh hey, look at that. Falcon is interacting with Genny. It is a plain nothingburger of an interaction. Neat. I am reminded of his exchange with Miranda earlier.

Spoiler: show

I'd just like to state for the record that "wherefore" means "why". Juliet was asking Romeo why he has to be who he is, not where he was located.

Spoiler: show

This technically involves Dennis. But barely.

Spoiler: show

This reads more like lighthearted banter than actual grilling between Falcon and Dennis. Not the most encouraging sign, but I barely care about it.

Spoiler: show

After yelling at Dennis to post more, Falcon responds by... politely answering one of Dennis' questions for another person. Okay. I expected more spice.

Spoiler: show

This post reads more like a genuine conversation, which would be a good look for Dennis. I say that because it doesn't feel like there is anything staged or calculated going on here. Dennis is responding authentically to what Falcon is saying, and Falcon is giving the appearance of a sincere followup. They're discussing Mightyrunner, which is a name I hadn't seen in this ISO yet.

Spoiler: show

Falcon indicates that he should be willing to bus Creature on Day 1. But then...

Spoiler: show

But then he implicitly walks that back by saying he would prefer not to vote for a player who fits Creature's profile, shifting the subject onto Scotty. Also a slightly good look for Dennis here, in that Falcon seems to be deliberately trying to steer him onto Town Scotty.

Spoiler: show

... but then he votes for Creature.

Spoiler: show

... and then tries to talk me out of backing away from my Scotty suspicion.

Spoiler: show

Weird little Dennis namedrop here. On the surface, I don't know what to do with it. But I have another theory that's just bubbled up to the surface here. Prior to pretending to get on board the Creature bandwagon, Falcon had had virtually nothing to say about or to any of his flipped teammates. There was a brief interaction with Genny which amounted to nothing, and that is it. By contrast, he has talked to or about Dennis more than anyone in the game except for maybe Zenge. If Dennis is a werecreature, Falcon is giving him an inordinately high amount of attention relative to the rest of their team. Some of that could just be attributed to volume. Dennis had a lot more to say on Day 1 (and beyond) than Genny. But Dya was not totally inactive on Day 1, and Falcon has hardly acknowledged them at all.

Spoiler: show

Speak of the Dya! Here's a post. But Dya was the one to initiate this exchange. Also this is on Day 2. And absolutely nothing came of it. To be fair, I believe dya subbed out soon after. But it just furthers my point that Falcon had minimal interactions with his flipped partners during this game.

Spoiler: show

Falcon places a Day 2 Creature vote on the back of some Santy wagonomics. Noted. Potentially a good look for Santy, but not overwhelmingly so.

Spoiler: show

Falcon responds to a post by SVS to throw out the combo of Marmot and Creature as partners. This, again, does not tell me a whole lot about SVS. They have had very few meaningful interactions this game. Which is not my favorite thing.
----------------

Big takeaway here is that Seanzie looks pretty good. Dennis might also look good simply due to being heavily featured, whereas Falcon mostly ignored his flipped partners for most of the game. Santy as well to a lesser degree, although their interactions were less feisty.

I would not say that anyone looks explicitly bad. But names like Miranda, mightyrunner, and SVS stand out for their relative absence.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:37 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:15 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:02 pm This is a wolf, full stop.
I'd say it looks more like a falcon. This is what he does.
When you say “this is what he does”, it sounds like you’re saying “this is NAI”, is that correct?
Not necessarily. I would lean very slightly towards a town read on him. But, at the very least, he should not be scumread for playing the role of antagonist like this.
I actually think falcon is kinda behaving out of character

I remember this now. Neon didn't end up providing any super in-depth case against Falcon or anything, but this interjection felt real and would be out of place if they are teammates. Good look for Neon.

Let's Do Lawpy

Spoiler: show

First post acknowledges Neon's presence. This question could have theoretically been asked in private if they're wolf partners. But it does not need to have been, and asking innocuous questions like this is an easy way for teammates to get some easy distancing points.

Spoiler: show

Hey look, reads. Thanks, Lawpy. Seanzie is town. Noted. Because of his tunneling questions. Okay.
Framing of the suspicion against me is more bogus in hindsight than it was in real time. I point to this post for anyone who might still hold some suspicion against me.

Spoiler: show

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:05 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:26 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:00 pm You’re right. I’m extremely dissatisfied.

I asked you for one thing. One simple thing. Give me your thoughts on the content itself.

Instead you gave another hand wavy answer that simply acknowledges the existence of the content and talk about how it was created on D1.

I wanted you to talk to me about the argument I’m making against Falcon. The specific point about what Falcon said, my rebuttal, and what you agree with or disagree with in that exchange, with specifics.

I still expect an answer here.
I think Falcon said a provocative thing about you and you were provoked. I think he made a mountain out of a molehill first, and you responded by making your out mountain out of your own molehill. Falcon's initial gripe, whether or not we believe it, was that you were not proactive enough in addressing your concerns about the early Miranda votes. Was it fair as an accusation at face value? Not really. But was it an acceptable play for early Day 1 of a crossover mafia game on Mafiathesyndicate.com? Absolutely.

You responded critically and defensively, because it was a bit of a bogus accusation. That is fair. But, in your response, I felt you took some liberties with his words, or at least presented a rather one-sided view of his position (It is not hard to see how falcon could interpret your initial concern as being simply the speed with which the votes occurred). This is reminiscent of how you have responded to me today. But, again, that is fine, because it is Day 1 of a mafia game, and we need to twist some words to get people talking.

Was I swayed by any of the arguments either of you made against one another? No. I was not. If I am to give a read, it's that both of you are town. Falcon, for playing the role of provocateur. You, because your defensive reaction turned into what looks to be a very firmly-held belief that you are onto something. But neither of those are strong reads, which is why I will again stress that I'm more interested in seeing how you respond to other things.

I do not believe there is anything meaningful to be gained by continuing this dialogue.
Get out of here with your calm and reasoning.

Also, intentionally being peacemaker and trying to stop a distracting argument feels town to me.
That argument doesn’t look distracting to me and the peacemaker role is what’s actually making me wary

I’m interested to know who you’re wolfreading, if any, in this exchange

mayo and lawpy are not teammates. Cool. But this is not news.

Spoiler: show

Dennis has been conspicuously absent from the previous two ISOs. Lawpy isn't really talking about Dennis here, but is talking to him, trying to get him to flesh out a read in more detail. The read is about mightyrunner. If I had to give a read on this: Lawpy looks to be fishing for things/people to talk about. This might be a good look for Dennis in that Lawpy's question might be a sincere effort to get a town player to articulate a read that he can then use for himself. But this can very easily be theater between teammates.
Will need to see how this develops to offer a read on mighty's involvement.

Spoiler: show

Nate is also not Lawpy's teammate. I already knew that, too.

Spoiler: show

Lawpy presses PSV to talk about SVS. PSV was town. SVS is TBD, tbh imo. Again, could go either way depending on how things develop.

Spoiler: show

If this was theater, Dennis didn't hold up his end of the bargain. I'll lean slightly toward calling this a good look for Dennis, simply because I think he'd put more effort into this response if he and Lawpy were teammates.

Spoiler: show

Three town reads. I do not see an explanation of any of them. I do not think any of these three were in any danger, either. So

Spoiler: show

Lawpy asks Santy to explain his take on the Creature wagon. Soothingly. This tells me nothing, but it exists.

Spoiler: show

SVS continues to be nothing but neutral. Noted.

Spoiler: show

Another generic prod, this time for Neon RE: Dennis. Okay.

Spoiler: show

This was a convoluted argument, but I'm unsure whether that should be taken merely as part of Lawpy's push against me, or if it's also damning as a defense of Santy. At the very least, I can't call this a good look for Santy.

Spoiler: show

Still waiting for this to go somewhere.

Spoiler: show

Tentatively calling this a good look for mightyrunner. This has the same vibe as Lawpy's posts about me where he was clearly trying to present me in an unfavorable light. "Hey look, mighty hasn't posted, that's a problem!"

Spoiler: show

I don't know what to do with these two words.

Spoiler: show

I sense a twinge of real disappointment here. That would be a good look for Santy.

Spoiler: show

I like this even more than the previous post. This is real pressure from Santy on Lawpy, and Lawpy is starting to look uncomfortable. Also that list of suspects is myself and my two strongest townreads in the game right now, so lol. (I've been ignoring the fruit vendor exchange with Mayo in this ISO because I'm so confident that Mayo is not teamed with Lawpy)

Spoiler: show

Can someone on this team please say something about Dennis?

Spoiler: show

Mac was asking people to talk about Neon at this point. But this post still feels kind of... odd, and out of place. Lawpy has spent a lot of time talking about Falcon, but has not acknowledged Neon's involvement in his wagon until this moment.

With that said, I would need to revisit Neon's Day 1 treatment of Falcon if I wanted to call this a bad look. It could very well just be the case that Lawpy is hyper aware of Falcon's opponents because Falcon was his teammate.

--------------
Thus ends this exercise. My biggest takeaway is that Santy gets a nice little boost in the town department. Mightyrunner also got a slight townie point.

I continually want to say that Dennis looks good in all of the micro-interactions with the wolves, but the fact there has been almost nothing significant regarding Dennis in any of these first three ISOs is becoming a mild concern. He's been relevant to a lot of discussions throughout this game, but Genny, Lawpy, and Dya have collectively abstained from any Dennis-related conversations.

Speaking of which: I don't think Miranda came up once in this ISO. Noted.

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:40 pm @Sloonei why SAR over miranda?

vote is based off things in dya's and genny's iso. Nothing solid, but I thought Miranda looked not bad.

I literally started doing Lawpy's ISO moments before you pinged me.

Wait, I want to do something I have not done in a very long time.

Mayo
Nate
Dennis
Neon
SVS
miranda
Santy
Seanzie
mightyrunner
SARdoghandler'

I will have 0 names in yellow by the end of this phase.

@S~V~S @santygrass why miranda?

[VOTE: sardoghandler] aubergine. Not a direct suspicion. I'm just returning to my vague feelings from the previous phase. SAR is also somebody who I haven't been able to remove from the POE. Consider this a placeholder until I flesh out my read(s) a bit better.

I need to go be asleep, I'm struggling to write coherent sentences.

It's 2 AM, so I'm gonna do dya's posts now and then get to Lawpy in the morning.

Spoiler: show

Dya's first on-topic post includes a light town read on Seanzie with a little bit of hedging language. Noted.

Spoiler: show

Thanks.

Spoiler: show

Dya throws blanket town reads on all three of myself, falcon, and Zenge. She was 2/3rds correct and knew this. Noted.

Spoiler: show

Dya is throwing real town reads around pretty easily here. Noted.

Spoiler: show

Seanzie and dya get into a mini argument about adjectives. Noted. Let's see if this goes anywhere.

Spoiler: show

The energy in this exchange feels real. Dya calls Seanzie out for doing something repeatedly, and Seanzie has no memory of it. This is not a disagreement that I think could be faked. But it being sincere does not have to mean that they are not aligned. With that said, I might be willing to award Seanzie with the slightest of townie points for this.

Spoiler: show

Dya repeats their seanzie read, but walks back the Zenge/Falcon/Sloonei blanket town read. Noted.

Spoiler: show

Hey look, it's Creature. Dya is not afraid to talk critically with her teammates.

Oh, I'm now in the End-of-Day 1 phase of Dya's ISO. I remember this well. They voted for Scotty while poking and prodding around at every wagon that existed. Some pertinent posts:

Spoiler: show

It would be quite bold of dya to lump two teammates together in a single defense while justifying the Day 1 Scotty vote. For that reason, I might give Miranda a very slight townie point. Also noting this:

Spoiler: show

This post comes at the tail end of an extended conversation about Dya's read on SportPonies. Dya had defended SP from an accuation about defensiveness, but people (pyxxy) called Dya out for this seemingly out-of-the-blue read. After a bit of back-and-forth, an exasperated Dya cites Miranda's SportPonies suspicion. I think this reflects well on Miranda. It suggests that Dya was earnestly reading Miranda's posts, and felt compelled to respond indirectly to something Miranda had said.

That's mostly the end of Dya's posts discussing living people besides myself. There was not a ton here. But I feel slightly better about Miranda than I did before, so that's something.

I get to Lawpy's posts sometime tomorrow.

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:52 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:51 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:48 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:45 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:43 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:41 pm

Because her usage of her ability doesn't feel scummy to me. It feels like genny
Do you feel like that claim is beyond !wolf genny's meta?
I feel like scum genny never uses on a player their faction is going to kill. Does not totally rule out her being other faction but I'm inclined to lean not for now
Would scum!Genny lie about who they used it on?
She didn't.
Is this somehow deducible from things in the thread that I missed, or are you making a claim of information?
I've been softing info all day on thread. So, technically both now

This seems to be an answer to my question for SAR from late in the day yesterday. I don't agree with it, and think it's also worth pointing out that we don't actually know that PSV was killed by the werecreatures. Isn't the working theory that their kill was redirected to Marmot that night?

But I can believe this as a reason for SAR to townread Genny in a world where SAR is town.

I'm gonna start working my way backwards through all the dead werecreatures. Here's Genny. People don't need to read all of this. The bulk of these words are here for my own sake.

Spoiler: show

First post is an off-topic response to a Miranda posted. Noted.

Spoiler: show

Pyxxy is dead, but I just want to note that Genny's first push of the game was on a relatively easy issue of pyxxy allegedly hunting for third party instead of mafia. It felt like a stretch at the time, but it was Day 1. I'm just noting it here to calibrate my Genny read.

Spoiler: show

Genny sticks her nose in the middle of a Seanzie/Zenge argument. Asking Seanzie about his vote for Zenge. Noted. I'll have to see how (or if) this develops to say something about it.

Spoiler: show

Unsolicited Mayo townread. Noted. This does not have to reflect poorly on Mayo, and I'm generally reading our resident condiment as town.

This post takes the Mayo defense a step further, but I read this more as a defensive reaction to some light prodding from PSV.

Spoiler: show

Genny is willing to throw Falcon under the bus. Noted.

Spoiler: show

mighty asks Genny for a read on Lawpy. Genny gives a big loud non-answer. Interesting. I can go either way on this with regards to mighty depending on how things progress from here. I want to see mighty prodding further.

Spoiler: show

Good look for Nate. He interjects into the aforementioned conversation between mighty and Genny to provide the damning evidence against Lawpy. And Genny's response looks awkward and uncomfortable, like she's been confronted with the very thing she was trying to ignore. I do not think Nate is on their team.

Spoiler: show

I do not know what I sent Genny. But Genny was probably operating under the assumption that I did know what I sent. It looks like she was claiming to be considering using it on potential suspects. I would not be surprised if one of that trio is on her team. I have seen nothing to rule out any of the three.

Looking at the potential items I could have sent... it was probably either a motion detect or non-fatal track. Cool. That tells me little.

Spoiler: show

I do not love this look for Miranda. She sends a generic prod at Genny as she heads to the gallows, and Genny offers a chummy, lighthearted response. Meh. I can read it as two partners trying to casually distance themselves from each other.

Spoiler: show

Interesting. Before I start analyzing this reads list, I should note that Genny is almost definitely in damage control mode here. I am narrowing my eyes at Neon and Santy in the list of town reads, but I don't think it's suspicious that either of them are listed here. Dennis and SAR getting their own distinct "neutral" tier is noteworthy.

BUT what's most interesting here is the SAR/Seanzie slip up. Genny accidentally lists SAR twice, in two different tiers, then corrects it to say that the second SAR is supposed to be Seanzie. I would not be surprised if one of these two is her partner, and she was hyper conscious of where she was listing them here, but couldn't quite make up her mind. My gut instinct is that this reflects more poorly on SAR than Seanzie.

Also noting that Santy brought this post out of Genny. And miranda and mighty are also in the bottom tier, cool.

Spoiler: show

I feel like I am missing a joke here. It is more chumminess. Meh. Not the best look ever from SAR.

Spoiler: show

I appreciate that SAR is asking meaningful questions here. This could be theater. But the questions feel earnest. It would be better if SAR ended up voting for Genny. I'm not sure how SAR was reading Genny throughout the phase.

Spoiler: show

This exchange doesn't feel like teammates, but i'm not totally sure why at first glance. Maybe it's Santy informing Genny of his new residence in the POE. Feels like Santy is challenging Genny in a way that's unnecessary (and unlikely) if they are aligned together. And Santy also corrects the SAR/Seanzie slip up from before. Calling attention to that if they're partners might also be unlikely? Or maybe it's more likely. I don't know.

Spoiler: show

I do not understand how SAR is arriving at the conclusion that Genny's claim makes her less suspicious. I am more inclined to agree with SVS here. SAR should explain this take.

Spoiler: show

Here's a literal-last-minute vote. It means nothing.

-----------------------------

Cool. Nate comes out looking the best of all the living players. He's really the only living person who I'd say looks definitively good. Santy gets a slight town lean, and maybe SVS too, but her good look came at a point where Genny was on her way out.

SAR, Seanzie, Miranda, and mighty all deserve a little more scrutiny off the back of this.

Dennis was mentioned literally once in this entire ISO, and it was as a "neutral" slot in Genny's reads list. I don't think that reflects poorly on Dennis. I feel like Genny would have acknowledged him sooner, and more readily, if they were aligned together. She showed more willingness to talk about Falcon and Lawpy, although not that much. And the Lawpy stuff had to be dragged out of her. So maybe it is worth looking into Dennis more. Meh.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 11:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 11:01 pm I should be firmly cleared as not being a Werecreature at this point. If I am suspected of being on that team, you (general you) should probably drop it.
Why?

I remember Mac mentioning some shielding D1 shenaningans? Refresher on it appreciated

Lawpy tried hard to frame me as Falcon’s partner.

My treatment of Genny yesterday was completely silly and careless if I am her teammate. In terms of both my vote and my night action and discussion of it.

On Day 1, I provided the counterwagon to Creature while also prominently associated myself with Falcon’s name in the thread. That is also silly and careless if I am either of their partners, especially Creature.

Also, I’m just dripping with honesty and sincerity. Can’t you tell!

Search found 307 matches