The Syndicate

I would like to say that this was one of the best and most memorable (and the longest by far) games I've ever played and I appreciate everyone who participated, and hope all the no-shows are doing well too. But also that this will he the last time anyone around here sees me in a game for a while. I hope to return and play some more when I have time (probably in January). I really enjoy this community, y'all are great and I'm sorry I have to go absent so soon.

I never bothered to push my golden suspicion because i kept assuming he'd be killed every night.
Awesome game, comgrats on the win, winners.

:o neat

this game was a blast, finish it off strong!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:also, why black rock?
Because she was the corrupted baddie. She would have been a civilian at one point, and then switched. Every other baddie would have played a more consistent game. And while we don't know if there is a baddie left on Team Webber, we do know that there is a baddie left on Team Wildhorn.

I dig this thinking. I should follow you.
I also think we should take a look at DFaraday's interactions, since he's a fresh case and all.

also, why black rock?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Considering the BR never did mention DREAM or Devin, I don't see either of them being a teammate of Black Rock. I'm still excluding nijuu from the list for reasons, even though she is an active player but BR never talked to/about her. That leaves Gumshoe, TH/SVS, and fingersplints.

Not sure I understand why you're excluding DREAM and Devin here. Why would a player have to mention another player for them to possibly be associated with one another? Also, wasn't BR a corrupted townie? At what point was she corrupted, and what can we assume was the nature of that corruption?

Gumshoe --- Gumshoe and BR interacted a few times during Day 0/Day 1 during her guaranteed civilian phase. But she never did talk to him again, nor did she ever acknowledge that he had disappeared. Their interactions were not meaningful in that either one suspected the other, so it could be reasonable to assume that she just forgot about him. That said, I'd say there's a slightly stronger chance that Gumshoe is Wildhorn over Devin.

TH/SVS --- with the way BR continued to dog TH, I think she was looking for someone to frame, and an excuse to suspect him. I think SVS is not Team Wildhorn as a result of this.

fingersplints --- If we don't actually lynch an inactive today, I think BR's interactions with fingersplints are most suspicious. I haven't looked at fingersplints' side of the relationship yet, but BR's only comments with her involved lightheartedness, friendliness, and sarcasm. I find these interactions far more significant than the lack of interaction with nijuukyugou.

You describe BR's interactions with splints as "suspicious" and "significant", but I'm not really seeing reasons why you feel this way. Sure, they could have been lighthearted and friendly, but does that really suggest a partnership between the two?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Does anyone else think that now is a good time to start talking about lynching one of the inactives?
We're all getting pretty close to becoming inactives.

I think you mean xD

Golden wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Does anyone else think that now is a good time to start talking about lynching one of the inactives?
I'm open to it.

Gumshoe or Devin? I recommend a coin flip.

Does anyone else think that now is a good time to start talking about lynching one of the inactives?

Well then metalmarsh remains a top suspect.

Sorry, i quoted the wrong thing. This is the post I want splints to respond to:

nijuukyugou wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Ninja, splints addresses the concern about her habitually late votes in the last paragraph of this post, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it:[/center]
fingersplints wrote: JJJ

dfaraday is my strongest suspect atm so will place my vote there for now. Sloonei I am right there with you with still finding nijuu suspicious. I don't know why MM is trying to push her as a confirmed civvie. I don't trust him at all though, so I am not really surprised by that. I would consider voting for him or nijuu as well.

nijuu I'm positive I have had more then 3 votes actually with the changing votes. (off the top of my head the two you mention from DF, some from nutella, you at least once I think, one from Golden when silenced, and another from JJJ) Just because they changed off of me doesn't mean they weren't cast.

Golden, I vote as late as I can every single game (I feel like a broken record as I know I have said this before), but have needed to especially in this one where I have been under considerable suspicion for days. I'm not sure how anyone can fault me for holding my vote to possibly save myself.
This would be more convincing if she actually did have any days with a lot of votes on her. She has remained in discussion, yet has received less than 5 total votes. I'm not including changeable votes, and even those were not significant enough to warrant what she says above, if I recall correctly.

And, for splints, do you have anything to say to this post?

Sloonei wrote:Ninja, splints addresses the concern about her habitually late votes in the last paragraph of this post, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it:[/center]
fingersplints wrote: JJJ

dfaraday is my strongest suspect atm so will place my vote there for now. Sloonei I am right there with you with still finding nijuu suspicious. I don't know why MM is trying to push her as a confirmed civvie. I don't trust him at all though, so I am not really surprised by that. I would consider voting for him or nijuu as well.

nijuu I'm positive I have had more then 3 votes actually with the changing votes. (off the top of my head the two you mention from DF, some from nutella, you at least once I think, one from Golden when silenced, and another from JJJ) Just because they changed off of me doesn't mean they weren't cast.

Golden, I vote as late as I can every single game (I feel like a broken record as I know I have said this before), but have needed to especially in this one where I have been under considerable suspicion for days. I'm not sure how anyone can fault me for holding my vote to possibly save myself.

I am still not completely convinced about nijubloop. While we can all assume to know of an ability that she has, we do not know any details about this presumed role. Her behavior lately has got me to settle down on my case against her, but I'm not going to drop it just yet.

I feel like fingersplints is the player I need to reevaluate next. I've only played one game with her before this, but spectated a couple others. In that one game (Economics) I was dead on Night 2, and splints wasn't super active up to that point. Can a Syndicate regular offer an updated meta read on her, particularly with regards to the comments about her votes?

fingersplints wrote:
Sloonei wrote:@ SVS, Dom's lynch message seemed to give us a pretty strong hint about what metalmarsh's role is.
I don't see a win condition listed for that role though.

Fair point, but we can at least assess that he's probably not on either of the mafia teams.

Spacedaisy wrote:Svs, I have accused you of anything. I was explaining my vote and why I felt uncomfortable with the metal marsh lynch. When I changed my vote it put DFaraday ahead of MM instead of vice versa.

Do you have any thoughts on either of that you want to share? We've now been strongly tied to you for a day.

@ SVS, Dom's lynch message seemed to give us a pretty strong hint about what metalmarsh's role is.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Because I was taking my fiancé out for dinner for his birthday.
It was really delicious.

wait a minute...

Perhaps I should have made use of the sarcastic orange. :P

That's no excuse!

Did it cross your mind to try to get us to expound on our votes at all? If your concern was that we were voting without any discussion, why did you simply change your vote and leave, instead of engaging us in the discussion that you wanted?

Spacedaisy wrote:I don't feel the need to explain anything. Call it tinfoiling but I felt very uncomfortable with the way that vote was going.

Why did you feel uncomfortable? I feel a need to have things explained.

Golden wrote:I don't think we should go after DF tomorrow. But hey, I guess that can wait until tomorrow.

I assume you will explain why at some point. It does not need to be now.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Who is this burrs?

Hey man, back off i can do my own google searches!
Looks like my initial read was right all along. I say wr go for dfaraday tomorrow, but that's still a ways away.
Right now spacedaisy has some questions to answer.

Wikipedia has answered my question.

Who is this burrs?

I am sorry if I was wrong, really. You've played an excellent game either way, and it would suck to go down like this.

I didn't expect my vote to stay on you all day, but as things wound down my gut kept telling me to stick with it. Let's hope it was right this time.

*leans forward in anticipation*

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Heres to a pointless lynch.

Any thoughts on those of us voting for you?

Though I admit my "case" against metalmarsh is not exactly a focused one. He is bad because he's not good.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:You guys know how to make an end of the day interesting.
Convince me that you are town.
I am on my phone right now, so that would be difficult even if I wasn't.

But lynch me if you must. I will do what I can to make sure this day doesn't end in a tie.

This is not a terribly convincing response.

Ninja, splints addresses the concern about her habitually late votes in the last paragraph of this post, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it:[/center]

fingersplints wrote: JJJ

dfaraday is my strongest suspect atm so will place my vote there for now. Sloonei I am right there with you with still finding nijuu suspicious. I don't know why MM is trying to push her as a confirmed civvie. I don't trust him at all though, so I am not really surprised by that. I would consider voting for him or nijuu as well.

nijuu I'm positive I have had more then 3 votes actually with the changing votes. (off the top of my head the two you mention from DF, some from nutella, you at least once I think, one from Golden when silenced, and another from JJJ) Just because they changed off of me doesn't mean they weren't cast.

Golden, I vote as late as I can every single game (I feel like a broken record as I know I have said this before), but have needed to especially in this one where I have been under considerable suspicion for days. I'm not sure how anyone can fault me for holding my vote to possibly save myself.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:You guys know how to make an end of the day interesting.

Convince me that you are town.

nijuukyugou wrote:
Sloonei wrote:You are in a tough spot, no doubt. I want to encourage you to go for metalmarsh (my confidence about him is growing by the minute), but I'd rather take a chance on dfaraday than tie it up.
Is vote analysis the key reason why you suspect fingersplints?
Yes. I think I agreed before that her in-thread defenses sound civ, but her votes and timing of those votes make her look like a sneaky baddie. Voice can be manipulated. Votes can only hide you for so long.

Have you explained your interpretation of her vote analysis in a post already? I feel like I remember you doing it and I'll probably go dig it up myself right now, so I don't know why I'm asking. It's just what I do, I guess.

Golden wrote:
Sloonei wrote:It does not appear that anyone was silenced today. Unless it was gumshoe or devin, but
JJ

Would make sense

It does not appear that anyone was silenced today. Unless it was gumshoe or devin, but

Golden wrote:G-Man clearly played the game as though he was going down from the moment he subbed in, and I think his team played it as such. I've not taken the votes for G-Man into account because I don't think they are meaningful.

MM, I think, is clearly not on team two. But honestly, all of his baddie hunting reinforces that he isn't on team two. It always felt to me as though he was expending more effort trying to sort out what was up with team 2 than team one. He's been so focussed on missing kills and unknown forces... even night stuff.

I remember making a similar observation about him very early in the game (that he seemed to be looking for a scum team rather than individual scum players), and that this is resurfacing again on Day 13 just adds to the bad feelings I'm getting from him.

You are in a tough spot, no doubt. I want to encourage you to go for metalmarsh (my confidence about him is growing by the minute), but I'd rather take a chance on dfaraday than tie it up.
Is vote analysis the key reason why you suspect fingersplints?

Ninja Blooper, if you're still here, what do you plan on doing with your vote? Do you think you'll keep it on splints or move it to one of the other two candidates?

I feel better about lynching Metalmarsh than DFaraday at this point. I think in a high-pressure late-game situation like this, there would likely be at least one scum player trying hard to keep their finger on the pulse of the thread, directing things and being as involved as they can be. Metalmarsh fits that bill perfectly. Of all the players who have been highly vocal at any point in this game, he's the one that has done the least to distinguish himself as a townie. This is why I am interested to hear somebody argue for his towniness rather than his scumminess.

Golden wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Golden wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Golden wrote:My day today is a write off. The poll end time is 45 minutes before a deadline I've been working towards for the last several weeks, and I am unlikely to have spare time before then.

I was hoping for something more clear cut. It's not clear cut right now. This is what I don't like about changeable votes... I really can't control how people will move over the hours that I'm not here. Hopefully I'll find time to pop in again later.

In the mean time, I'm personally feeling very firm about DF being my preference.
If you have time, I would really appreciate some input on metalmarsh. I know you've said that you're more inclined to go with DF than MM today, but I'm a bit unclear on why that is the case. I will do everything in my power to ensure that one of the two of them is lynched today, but at the moment I am not sure which I prefer.
If MM is lynched, you won't see me complaining. MM says he will survive a lynch, so in the interests of reducing the number of total kills left on the board if DF and MM were the final two baddies, I think lynching DF first would be more advisable. Just my opinion.
What do you make of Spacedaisy's vote change?
I trust Daisy, do not think she is bad, and think her reason for changing her vote is genuine.

]but do you agree with it? Not the vote itself, but her reasons for changing.

Golden wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Golden wrote:My day today is a write off. The poll end time is 45 minutes before a deadline I've been working towards for the last several weeks, and I am unlikely to have spare time before then.

I was hoping for something more clear cut. It's not clear cut right now. This is what I don't like about changeable votes... I really can't control how people will move over the hours that I'm not here. Hopefully I'll find time to pop in again later.

In the mean time, I'm personally feeling very firm about DF being my preference.
If you have time, I would really appreciate some input on metalmarsh. I know you've said that you're more inclined to go with DF than MM today, but I'm a bit unclear on why that is the case. I will do everything in my power to ensure that one of the two of them is lynched today, but at the moment I am not sure which I prefer.
If MM is lynched, you won't see me complaining. MM says he will survive a lynch, so in the interests of reducing the number of total kills left on the board if DF and MM were the final two baddies, I think lynching DF first would be more advisable. Just my opinion.

What do you make of Spacedaisy's vote change?

Is anybody here at all? A quiet end of day is the last thing I want.

I see spacedaisy's paranoia about these votes against metalmarsh as a cautious, perhaps overly-cautious, townie. If this is the case, I fail to see the reasoning behind her sudden change. I would like for her to explain herself in a little more detail.

I'd not expressed suspicion of metalmarsh since my resurrection, but I had him listed as a top-tier suspect on a few of my early rainbow lists, if that comforts you at all.

I do not think you've expressed any read of me, spacedaisy. Tell me what you think of my play.

oh boy, metalmarsh is lined up for a lynch.

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