As I just mentioned, one of my most prevalent reasons for suspecting dfaraday this game has been the lack of any really strong town tells, with all of his positive content being the sort of thing(s) that is/are very easy for baddies to fake. I think I highlighted a few such examples an earlier ISO that's probably buried in my posts now. I am on my phone right now and don't feel like dragging up tons of examples, but I can do it if people wish for me to substantiate this suspicion any further. That, combined with simple process of elimination, make him a worthy suspect. I'm still looking for other things, and here are some posts that stand out to me:
DFaraday wrote:Finally caught up. Good job, everyone, even though I probably wouldn't have voted Sig had I been around. I didn't find the case that convincing, but apparently it was right
I do agree that Splints' vote seems like it could be a teammate bandwagoning, but for that matter, Ninja's vote rubs me the wrong way too. She does straight up say it's a bandwagon vote, but I still feel pinged by it.
I hope LC and Golden can move on from the feud for next day. It feels like a whole lot of miscommunication, probably between civs.
I could see his comments about sig being an attempt at being unconventional in trying to seem like a townie, where he denies himself the opportunity to support the previous day's successful baddie lynch. This is only a minor point though, and the things that really grabbed my eye were the very opportunistic way he seized onto this fingersplints case (I recall it being stated by someone else earlier, FZ I think, in direct response to a question I had asked), Faraday piggybacks on a case that looked it was just starting to get rolling without needing to substantiate the suspicion in any way. This bugs me. Also the way he says he "feels" pinged by it rather than saying "I am pinged" implies there is a certain amount of distance between the ping and his honest self. Something about the language there seems unnatural to me.
Also not liking his assessment of the Golden/LC thing. He's very quick to dismiss them both as "probable civs", which I don't feel lines up with things in the thread or DFaraday's post history specifically.
DFaraday wrote:DFaraday wrote:
I think I'm leaning slightly bad on FS. She pretty much bandwagoned late on the LC lynch, which makes me wonder if it was just a blending tactic.
I meant the Sig lynch, not LC. To me it looked like hiding in a safe landslide, but the fact that she also voted for G-Man and Bass on the occasions when LC was up for lynching makes me think she's more likely to be Mafia 2.
As for Cobalt, the biggest thing for me is how hard he went after LC, only to switch his vote to SVS for a rather weak reason. The other times he voted for LC, LC didn't really seem to be in much danger of lynching at all, since on Day 2 Cobalt basically insisted that everyone vote for himself and Day 3 was a Sig landslide. I don't think Day 4 had much to do with Cobalt at all.
Looking over the votes, it seems that MM went hard after LC all game, but voted Sig on Day 3. However, since his vote came at a time when a Sig lynched was all but inevitable, I wonder if MM is Mafia 1, voting a doomed teammate for cred, but otherwise going after someone who turned out not to be on his team, including when another teammate was on the chopping block on Day 4.
That's 3 theories, which is more than I usually contribute, so I'm done for now.
I'll get to my thoughts on Hedge and Ninja later.
The first thing that stands out to me here is the last bit. He seems very self-conscious of his own playstyle, almost nervously so. After listing exactly three "theories" he makes note of this and bows out for a while. When he returns, the two other reads he offers are
very light and do nothing to inspire confidence. This all reminds me of myself in the ongoing Watchmen game, where I admit to being hyper-aware of my own posts and how they might be perceived. I can sense some of this leaking through in this post from DFaraday.
I am also not a fan of the way he tries to spin some negativity against splints for not being on any of the Lc bandwagons without acknowledging that he himself had been reluctant to read LC as scum, as I highlighted above, and I don't recall him ever voting for LC either. This alone is not a damning piece of evidence, but for him to call out splints for it whild ignoring his own guilt and hypocrisy in the matter is not doing him any favors.
He also mentions Long Con in all three of these reads. Make of that what you will.
DFaraday wrote:nijuukyugou wrote:
nutella wrote:I'm honestly not sure who I suspect most right now. I'm afraid the baddies are hiding in the people who don't stand out as much, like Niju and Hedge, maybe splints. Going to look at them again.
"Don't stand out as much"? Really? Because my name's been thrown around quite a lot for several days. Your attempt to be subtle is a no-go.
I'd have to agree with Ninja here. She's been pretty prominent the last couple of days. I still have Ninja on my suspect list though.
DFaraday wrote:S~V~S wrote:
I think Sloonei was 100% right. I think Ninjabloop is as bad as they come. I am not feeling the Golden connection that Epi posits, but I think Ninja made one really good post in defense, and the only thing that sets her defense apart from Black Rocks to me is tone. And having played a few games with Ninja, I will say that I admire her ability to keep it light and bantering at all times, civ or bad. Her tone is fairly level & light regardless. So if you remove tone from the equation (as was not done with Cobalt), her defense it not all that.
I'm a little confused here. Are you saying her one really good post wasn't enough of a defense? Or that the tone is what made it a good post?
DFaraday wrote:Ninja sounds very sincere, which could be excellent baddie acting, but I'm starting to think she may be civvie. I also think her points on Splints are good, as Splints has often voted late and in a bandwagony way. At the very least, this suggests that they're not teammates.
DFaraday wrote:S~V~S wrote:DFaraday wrote:Ninja sounds very sincere, which could be excellent baddie acting, but I'm starting to think she may be civvie. I also think her points on Splints are good, as Splints has often voted late and in a bandwagony way. At the very least, this suggests that they're not teammates.
"Starting to think"?
Early on, you mentioned Ninja very mildly as a "ping". You mention her on and off, more or less remaining pinged by her, while still finding excuses for her. Then you pretty much come out as pro-Ninja after Sloonei died, and have remained that way, so not sure where "starting to think" is coming from, tbh.
@JJJ I think you asked me who else I am wary of? Well, Faraday is one. I am someone who is a fan of not talking much at night, old school, I know, but I am old :P
How have I been pro-Ninja? At no point before have I said or implied that Ninja was civ, just that I was feeling less sure about her than I had been. After her recent posts I would put her on the civ side of my rainbow list, if I had one.
The progression of his ninja read here (as well as the post in the spoiler above this one) feels a bit overwrought, waffley, frantic, and contains some hints of backtracking on the words he's said. In the first post (previous spoiler) he lists one reason to suspect ninja and then, oddly, another reason
not to suspect her. He then offers her some light support but goes back to saying she's a suspect, and then continues offering stronger support for a little while until he's called ot for doing so by SVS, at which point he backs off and says he's never been "pro-Ninja". The toe of this post seems a bit more defensive than it should be, and I do not like the way he doesn't own his read of ninja.
I'll also add that a lot of his technicolor responses to Jay's ISO read as shaky to me, but in the interest of conserving space and time, I'll not go over them here. If anyone would like me to, I can. Instead I encourage others to look at them themselves and make their own judgment calls.
Fiddler on the Roof
) believes I'm good and wants to keep me alive for the civ cause (therefore making him civ in my eyes), and I'm inclined to think MM is good after the last lynch because he was the only one who actually voted away from Neverwhere, and his reaction to being lynched without a case gave me major pause. These are gut feelings I have. My gut has been worrying me lately, especially in the wake of being so badly tricked in Guess Who, so my paranoid self tells me that they (or one of them) could certainly be "buddying up" to me to gain my support and will have played me like a fiddle. But I think they're defending me because they don't want a civ to die.
