The Syndicate

nijuukyugou wrote:

Scotty wrote:I REALLY want to hear more from row 3. So...calling MM, sig, njuu, nutella, and Turnip! Anything to report??

Roger that. I read and re-read your post about the messages, but my eyesight tends to start going double the more tired I get and, therefore, I get lost in longer analysis posts (this might be why I enjoy the G-Man pics - easier to read!). What information/analysis are you requesting, exactly? I'm happy to help where I can.

Cool! It's all good, I know I can zone out from time to time as well. As was said by someone else, I respect the thought put into Sloonei's casing posts, but I will not fully absorb them all until I can get a better perspective on bad/good in the next few days. Rest assured i'll be referencing his list as we go on.

While I have you, did you receive a PM at the end of Day 0? Something probably titled "Day 0 results"? If so, can you post (without quoting or disregarding Dom's rules) some highlights of your PM? I'm quite anxious and beginning to wonder if that 3rd row even received one.

Thank you for reaffirming my suspicions. I'd gladly change my vote from TB to sig if we can get more people on board. Still want to know what other people think of sig as well.

Ah nice-
looks like fingersplints and Duffy (now FZ) got that Pm as well.


So MM, I'm not sure why you're being mum and unhelpful. Do you WANT me to be suspicious of you?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:I REALLY want to hear more from row 3. So...calling MM, sig, njuu, nutella, and Turnip! Anything to report??

All systems go.

linki- no, you're right, Rodgers wouldn't make as much sense as it would as Lippa. Lippa never did a collab with the others afaik

Also, I think actually it's more likely that maybe Lippa is responsible for the Insanifier. Makes more sense for an independent to do that.

Until we hear from people that have been MIA for a day+, here's some speculation here on roles based on the shows, since it's been a while.

So we touched on the PMs received Day 1, and what they may mean. And the ones that were helpful cryptically provided some info on what theirs had. It's known right now that there were at least 3 unique PMs sent out with role riddles. If your name isn't on the list, don't fret. It's only important if you have any more info than what we currently have.
1- something pertaining to 3/4, lyricists, dead (Gumshoe, Cobalt).
I'm thinking 3/4 of Sondheim, Brown, Schwartz & Hammerstein must be dead in order for this role to win. I think it's either Lippa or Rodgers.
2- something pertaining to overrated revivals, memory, single time and role check. (Scotty, DFaraday)
Assuming it's referring to Cats, though it could be Into the Woods (but unlikely, as Dom probably wouldn't say one of his favorites is overrated). Thinking that role can role check someone else once.
3- Golden's interpretation of his: "Upon their death time can stop. A song cycle will follow second, be there. If they are lynched about day two, so what. Row much more than you’d think." (Golden, Sloonei, Epi)
Lots of interesting stuff that could be taken from this. My interpretation of this: Songs for a New World. (total speculation:) Maybe if Jason Robert Brown is killed, "time will stop" and instead the Songs for a New World can take the fall instead. Also sounds like they have an Extra life maybe?

Plus we now have the Into the Woods role mapped out (for reasons unknown).

I'm speculating that Jekyll and Hyde may be behind Cobalt's insanification. It just makes sense to me based on the subject of the musical.

Now, the PMs were given in some reference to the numbers we chose. As Golden suggested with some mathematical prowess, here's some numbering that seemingly adds up:
1, 5 (epi), 9, 13, 17 (sloonei), 21, 25 (golden)
2 (scotty), 6, 10, 14, 18, 22, 26 (faraday)
3, 7, 11, 15, 19, 23, 27
4, 8, 12, 16 (gumshoe), 20, 24 (cobalt), 28


I'm only going on what was posted, because I can't seem to locate a list of the numbers everyone picked. (Leaving out those that switched out)
LC (1) 1st row
DREAM (6), Bass (22), Devin (10) 2nd row
MM (7), sig (3), njuu (19), nutella (27), Turnip (23) 3rd row
BlackRock (28), Tiny (4), timmer and/or Never (12) is 4th row

I REALLY want to hear more from row 3. So...calling MM, sig, njuu, nutella, and Turnip! Anything to report??

Holy shit Sloonei I've been drafting a message talking about bringing that up again for the past 15 minutes. There were only 3 unique PMs. Gonna finish up my draft and post a summary of what I'm thinking soon

Canucklehead wrote:Lion King-

My fucking autocorrect has apparently been acquired by Disney.

I clearly meant "Linki", not that silly/childhood-destroying Hamlet-on-Safari movie.

LOL thanks for making me laugh out loud today!!

Golden wrote:Bass The Clever
FZ
Black Rock
Bullzeye
Canuck
Cobalt
Devin
DFaraday
DREAM
Epignosis
Fingersplints
Golden
Gumshoe
Hedgeowl
Long Con
MetalMarsh89
Neverwhere
nijuukyugou
Nutella
Scotty
sig
Sloonei
Timmer
TinyBubbles
Turnip Head
G-Man

Thanks. I didn't remember who posted this! I updated it a bit. Don't know the gender of the newcomers.

Golden wrote:Epi dies. Epi replaces in. Epi has (I think) only two posts - one where he says 'I know who killed me' and one where he says 'my suspicions haven't changed'. Then TGG asks to be subbed out.

I honestly think it's very consistent with someone who was part of a team that killed epi, that they killed them for cause, and was upset when he was able to sub back in and express the particular sentiments that he did

So do you think TGG lied about his main trouble being bad wi-fi connections as the reason he left? I'm just not sure how much of a little baby someone has to be to be subbed out because of hurt pride.

Also sig is still contributing like 1-2 posts in certain increments of time. Not terribly much, but enough that we know he didn't like get lost in space. So I can pick apart his words more than, say, Gumshoe, or DREAM (whoever that is).

Also welcome to the new recruits! I didn't say hello yet. I'm not gonna read too much into their postings until I get to know them. I'm not forgetting the people they subbed in for, though even those initial posters were few and far between, which is unfair IMHO to the newcomers.

I would welcome anyone else's thoughts on this. I would also expect sig to use the same amount of scrutiny for me as I'm doing to him if I were in his boots.

linki- I see where you're coming from on G-Man, Golden, but I don't know if I can get behind lynching G-man this phase right now just for his silly picture books and unfair claiming. But that's something I'll keep a lookout for over the next day.

sig wrote:So looking at the night kill attempt I would say Golden is more likely to be clean.

Cobalt seems to be hypnotized, but even so he still voted for LC which is consistent with the previous days. Can in theory the mafia target another mafia player from the same team to get hypnotized? If we think LC is innocent but Cobalt is scum that would be the best way to push an LC lynch by the mafia.

nijuukyugou pinged me with her first post and has posted minimum after that, however she says it is her playstyle and since no other players called her out on that I will assume it is true. After finding out a tie doesn't equal a no lynch she dropped on my suspect list. I think she is my only hard civ read right know.
LC sorry to be pestering you, but why is Sloonie scum?

Can someone refresh my mind with why people find Bass suspicious?

Black Rocks slip up and general posting vibes I'm getting would be enough for me to lynch them if I can't find anyone else.

MetalMarsh89 why are you lynching LC again?

I'm sorry ahead of time, but I've been picking apart sig since Day 0, and I was giving him the benefit of the doubt with the outcome of the whole LC/Cobalt debacle depending on Cobalt's alignment. But I still am not certain Cob's alignment...anyway, I went back through sig's history, and he's made a few posts since the end of Night 2. This is one of them.

There's some stuff here that really stands out to me.
-He finds Golden likely clean, since mafia tried to kill him/her. (sorry Golden, I really need to make a cheat-sheet on gender)
But then:
"I think [nijuukyugou] is my only hard civ read right know [sic]."
What? Whereas I'm not wholly convinced njuu is civ, the closest we have to definitive is that Golden is not on Mafia team #2. which has much better odds to assume as res (or independent maaaaybe, but I doubt it)

Honestly, Cobalt looks like independent/terrible civ to me, where LC looks more suspicious of the two. sig does keep asking LC for input, while carefully never accusing him.

"Black Rocks slip up and general posting vibes I'm getting would be enough for me to lynch them if I can't find anyone else."
this reeks of scum read. I think perpetuating her syntax as a "slip-up" is not a slip-up at all. Saying "the other team" as she did made sense in context, because she was talking about another team. That's almost on the same level of picking apart the word "interesting" *cough cough Epi*.
And then her "vibe" is ENOUGH to lynch? That's a pretty big, unsubstantiated lynch vote.

sig's history has him casting suspicion on several people through Day 2, which isn't by itself suspicious. But he's not following through with his suspicions.


I'm actually REALLY curious now of LC's alignment. Because sig has been consulting LC for his opinion quite a lot, I feel.

More in a bit.

Still at work but quick like:
What is/how exactly does an insanifier work? Does Dom scramble Cobalt or is he just playing like he got lobotomized?

Also, I'm liking what timmer has pointed to on his points, and I was going to reference a lot of those points on Tiny later today, but someone suggested that TB is bad with the contingency that LC is bad. I disagree- her posts have been few and far between, and bandwagon-y. She might even be on a different team entirely from LC
BUT
What if LC is actually civ? Why did the Into the Woods role description just appear? Was that after Golden got dead? It could be a possibility that LC used his role and is Into the Woods. Could that be a possibility? (As a definitive, hell no, but it makes sense to me why it was revealed then)

Where the hell is gumshoe? He's the most concerning besides sig and Tiny for me. All those monologues early on in Day 0 and Day 1, then poof.

Aight, gotta go

Linki- cobalt, do us all a favor and wipe after you flush next time.

G-Man wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:G-Man: is there a reason for the picture posts (other than general levity, which I support fully )?

FZ. wrote:Before I continue to read back on day 1, can Cobalt and LC please sum up why they think the other is bad, and how strongly they feel about it, or at least point me to a post where they did that?


linki: An added question for G-man: Are you planning to catch up at all, or is this how you're going to play the entire game?

Come on dude, don't reference other game play as a basis for argument.

Well I'm not sure what just happened, but that's cool! Welcome back, Golden! Looks like there's someone with a resurrecting ability?? I wonder if that is only one stock. If so, I hope that was the best use of that- I DO get res vibes from Golden, and I feel this just validates that.

So I've been stewing a lot today, and I'm going to only post a snippet of my current suspicions because I have to prep some auditions for tomorrow, but quickly:
-I'm going to ignore both Cobalt and LC for this vote. Reason being is I'm still fairly confused as to what's going on on that front. I wanted answers to alignment and I didn't get shit.
-I see your points on BlackRock, Golden, but I'm not necessarily seeing a huge weird vibe from her yet. I am going to go back to my initial TinyBubbles and sig scum vibe for the time being. I'll post more details when I get home tomorrow.

Golden wrote:I said I dislike bringing in info from other threads, but I definitely disagree that it's bad form. I only dislike doing it because not everyone is in all the threads and it risks alienating people.

People use past games to justify their own behaviour all the time. Is that bad form? Is it bad form to look up other threads at all to use it for your own internal thought processes? That doesn't make sense to me. I will use whatever information is available to me to make the best judgement.

I generally agree with this premise. This is only my 2nd game of mafia online and the first game I died Night 1, so I don't really have a source for speculation on people's behavior. But if I did, you bet I would remember how someone plays and remember that when you're making accusations. Variability in playstyle is not especially suspicious until you see patterns in multiple games when you look at their alignment. I guess that's what you guys call the "meta"? It's going to be brought into threads, whether consciously or unconsciously. But while it is alienating at times, I don't feel like people's should disregard it.

Long Con wrote: The Usual Way.

"The Great White Usual Way"

It's tough, Golden. I do want to move past this, and if Conalt can just sit on his hands from here on out is be willing to spare him for another time. But whereas Never says he is playing a lazy game and probably is, Cobalt says he is playing a lazy game while it's more of a messy, convoluted game.

Long Con wrote:

Cobalt wrote:tell y'all what - if you don't lynch me today, I'll post a super huge legacy post of how I view every single player in the game so far. I know I agreed to do this if I decided to eat a lynch, but that was to bait votes onto me so that Long Con would die. Up to you if you want me to do that or not.

If you want to lynch me, then vote for Cobalt. I agree. Also vote for Cobalt if you want to lynch Cobalt. Do not assume that votes for me will actually lynch Cobalt, because I do not have that power. My power is, if I get lynched due to some cowardly shenanigans, I get to see who you really are.

Long Con wrote:My power is, if I get lynched due to some cowardly shenanigans, I get to see who you really are.

LC, I know this was probably said in jest, but uh...I'm interested on your thoughts, of your safe passing through today. You seemed rather confident enough not to post too much before the deadline.

So that was not the definitive answer I was looking for.
There are several possible things to look at:
1) Cobalt is telling the truth in his meltdown or
2) He is lying about his extra ability to transfer the lynch.
If he is lying, then that very well may be his only ability and lynching LC was just a scare tactic. And on top of that, Cobalt could be playing double agent where both he and LC are on the same team putting on a show...in any caseHe may or may not be civ from this scenario.
If he is telling the truth, then either
a) LC has an ability that canceled it out
b) He read his role wrong and/or fucked something up in his communication to Dom
c) LC had a teammate help enforce to cancel it out.
If (a), both Cobalt and LC are most probably out of stocks for their abilities. In this case, Both may or may not be civ.
If (b), Cobalt is probably civ. I find the (b) scenario to be VERY unlikely.
If (c), then LC is mafia.

Of all the scenarios, it is in my opinion that it is very inconclusive as to what Cobalt's alignment is. And I don't like inconclusive. At the end of the day, I'm taking Cobalt's meltdown at face value, and thinking right now that Cobalt is more likely good than bad. But both could still be civ or mafia, and I'm pissed.

Trying to type this shit out on my phone is beyond annoying.

Tiny's response, "Honestly im more surprised other people dont claim it if they are" seems like a very weak comment. First of all, we're not doing info dumping here (right Cobalt?) and secondly raccoons may look cuddly and cute until you let them into the house and they take a big ole bite out of your dog. I love my dog. And you, Tiny, seem like the raccoon that just wants to come in and have a lunch party.

Eesh, so if that ability is fo sho, worst case scenario is he is revealed as bouncing his lynch, he lynches LC and LC is good. That's worst case. There's also a chance we may not know whether Cobalt is good or bad. That's what I don't like. I like definitives if I can get them.

Neverwhere wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:I'd really like to get a few people's views on Black Rock.

I can see what you are saying about her. It takes until her seventh post to say something that's not a one line response to somebody else, and when she finally does make a long post and name names, she's also making a bunch of excuses and apologies. This could very easily be in line with a townie who was simply too busy during Day 1 to contribute a lot, but it could just as easily be scummy behavior.

And hey, what's this?

Black Rock wrote:

Black Rock wrote:I love Dom as a host, he is a very quick responder.

I think I have it solved basically, some of the flavour text I haven't but it is a baddie role. I think there is a possibility of a civvie being corrupted. Now my dear host wouldn't confirm this to me but I think it might be a recruitment possibility. If one team has it the other team might as well.

I just stupidly realized the other team has four members so they won't necessarily have a recruit.

"the other team"? This would be a colassal scum slip, but I'm gonna need Black Rock to explain what she meant here.

On the whole this is a pretty safe post history. She's named a few people as being vaguely suspicious but the only one she really substantiated was Bass, and I'm not really seeing the case against him right now. Could see it as an effort by scum (BR) to stand apart from the rest of the game's action and make herself look good for having a different suspect than everyone else.

I also noticed that slip up. Hmm..

I don't necessarily see that as suspicious, since she's talking about the role in the PM while attempting not to name it. She isn't wrong.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:And yes I was tired. I just got back from a camping trip where I woke up at 5:30 every morning, hiked and rock climbed all day, and went to bed at 11:00 each night. So after a long drive back home Friday afternoon, I was very tired.

That sounds fun as balls. Where did you go hiking and climbing?

Whatever happened to Gumshoe? Is he still playing or did he quit too?
We've had, what, 3 people quit so far?

If you all are voting for a wallflower today, which wallflower would you pick? I couldn't decide on one that looked significantly fisher than the other fishes.

nutella wrote:Canuck, want to elaborate on why you're not interested in lynching Cobalt?
Tbf I have gotten the feeling that he's been hinting at being unlynchable or his lynch will have some special effect, so I'm a bit wary.
Also, I like MM's theory about LC and Tiny (TB is an awful acronym lol). Their posts about each other do look very potentially teammatey. The only thing that gives me pause is all the vouching for Tiny's "I'm just a civvie again" statement being a continuing pattern.

Would Dom really add an unlynchable role? That'd be some broken-ass nonsense. I honestly again feel worst case scenario is him being a bomb/poisoner of some sort. And that's a risk I think I'd still be willing to take.

I'm gonna go ahead and vote now. Again, I think once we see Cobalt's alignment, it will shed some light on other people, including, but not limited to, TB, LC, sig, and MM.

Cobalt wrote: Y'all have never played with me as a civ before, that's why.

I wish TGG had functioning internet so he could vouch for my usual tenacity.

Hey, Sig, if you're around, I know you find me scummy but I find you scummy too. You've said you always found me scummy regardless of whether I'm civ or mafia, can you vouch that I've played with my usual aggressiveness?

So you're saying you are trying to come off as scummy?

Turnip Head wrote:I think the Epignosis kill was designed to make us keep looking at LC and Cobalt today. I don't have too many suspects at this point but my gut is telling me to look at Nutella more. Hedgeowl is still on my radar for general blendiness. I also thought Blooper's vote was... interesting.

Sig seems okay to me but I want to look more into the interactions surrounding him.

I feel like Epi could have been offed for just appearing too civ. Whether or not he was still alive he would still probably be campaigning for the LC/Cobalt vote. So I don't know if framing was really that big of a decider.

I honestly feel like, to me, a LOT of info will be learned from lynching Cobalt next. Whether or not he is civ is still to be determined but so far I haven't heard anyone say they're getting civ vibes from him.

And if you ARE getting civ vibes from him, let me know and I'll tell you about the leprechaun and the Easter bunny I've got in a cage in my basement.

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:The unfortunate aspect of this kind of game is the people that don't post have nothing for us to base an opinion off of except their curious absence. So as we go along, do we vote for them because of their non-participation, or keep pushing for the most suspicious opinionated people?

I will tell you from my (hosting) experience that Mafia almost always tend to consist of quiet people, even if only one or two. Whether they are naturally quiet or doing so on purpose, they are quiet all the same, and they coast. The rub comes when anyone seriously suggests lynching a low poster. There are some here who will suspect you right away for doing so, which I think encourages low(er) participation.

After all I've seen, I never criticize wanting to lynch a low poster. If the low-poster is Mafia, you catch a killer and show him that coasting isn't a viable strategy. If the low-poster is a civilian, then he wasn't helping anyway, so you make him helpful in getting to see how people chose to vote the person off.

My two cents. I'm off to my uncle's birthday cookout.

Yes I get that people will be quiet. There's nothing inherently wrong with quiet per se. If you have an opinion, post it- if not, at least check in every now and then and let us know what you're thinking/going through IRL. Real life can and should take priority over this, BUT in a 28 (now 26) person game, with almost half those people absent, mafia can afford to take the low road and coast. Are they? Dunno. But it makes it easier to do so in my opinion.

As far as voting for them: again, down the line we might have to, but for now I agree with Sloonei that the most vocal suspicious people need to go first.

NUTELLA IS SEMEN OF THE GODS.

nutella the player however I have no real ping either way right now. I have to go back later and examine the post history.

The unfortunate aspect of this kind of game is the people that don't post have nothing for us to base an opinion off of except their curious absence. So as we go along, do we vote for them because of their non-participation, or keep pushing for the most suspicious opinionated people? While I do have suspicions for TB and Hedgeowl, I don't see them garnering any substantial traction until we lynch Cobalt or LC, but it's still important to hear that they're still here...somewhere in the wings...

And my suspicion in several people such as sig and TB is predicated on the fact that Cobalt is bad, so honestly the sooner we deal with the elephant in the room, the better.

Epi, can we ask about your role in Epi 1.0 or are you supposed to claim ignorance?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, FYI, Devin texted me saying his phone was dying and he didn't bring his phone charger, so he won't be able to post until he's out of town. Wanted me to let you all know.

Thanks for the update MP. Godspeed.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Maybe Metalmarsh was forced to vote me last night by someone funny, and so he's doing it early to signal that.

No way. you are mad, rad, and totally bad.

lol this guy. He's got some good reasoning

Also, what happened to Epi? Since he's been back, he's posted like, what, 2 times? And they've been fluff. Is old confrontational Epi gone? Is he just lying back in wait since he's immune this round?

Turnip Head wrote:I forgot to vote for the damn book. Did everyone get the same text to decode? My first thought is maybe it's SVS's role.

It looks as though we all got the same gist. It's not SVS's role. It' talks of a leader of the mafia (I don't know if Dom will allow me to name him) and how he can possibly corrupt 1 of 3 named civ roles.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm back!

Time to catch up and see what's going on.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Actually I'm too tired to catch up now, but it's nice to see I'm still alive (in more ways than one).

Just make sure I die early in Guess Who, and the marmot will come back!

Then he just votes for LC without reason. Drive-by bandwagon hits again!

Golden wrote:Ok, I think I have the lot now, and I agree it points to some ability that corrupts specific civilians. It's hard to know if it's a recruit or not, especially given three possible targets. It's unclear whether or not the thing will work with all three of them, if so it seems unlikely it would be a recruit. If it only works on the first, then it would make sense that it's a recruit.

I feel like I'm still unable to solve the means of the corruption.

How would recruiting work anyway?
Corruption would make more sense if he could, like, pick someone during the night phase, ask if he guessed correctly that character as 1 of the 3, that role will die at the end of the next day. Or something to that effect.

@timmer, that sounds fun as balls! I miss my little poker nights. Are you hosting from your house?

So before I cast a vote on who I currently suspect, I want to hear from all the crew that are apparently still in this game but are currently backstage sleeping together on the Equity cot.
@BirdwithTeeth11
@Bullzeye
@Devin
@Canucklehead
@Dream
@fingersplints
@MetalMarsh89 (I KNOW you're here, I see you voting on shit)
@TGG

And welcome to the game, Epi 2.0. Wonder if your strategy is going to be any different.

I guess @Dom the fact that Epi was allowed back in means his first role didn't have any special abilities that would give him more knowledge in the game? Because that would be, you know, unfair.

Yeah, I have the whole thing solved except for one or two words. And those one or two words hint at how that baddie can corrupt. Grrr I'll keep giving it thought...

I'm actually hoping TIny can come in and bandwagon on sig, like she(he?) says she(he?) is wont to do.

Dom wrote:SINGER:
Life can be bright in civilian life
If you can fight with civilians right
Life is all right in civilian life
If you've got nothing to hide
Here you are free and you have pride
Long as you protect civvies on your side
Free to go after any baddie you choose
Free to make sure all of them lose

Everywhere grime in the mafia
Organized crime in the mafia (duh)
Terrible time in the mafia
Don’t forget Cobalt’s in the mafia
I think I'll go back to the thread
Build up cases ‘til the mafia’s dead
All the civs will give big cheers
When they’re alive at endgame to hear.

Epignosis has been killed. It is now day. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

ANITA
Life can be bright in America

BOYS
If you can fight in America

GIRLS
Life is all right in America

Looks like Epi was West Side Story. That sucks.

We could use an appearance from Tiny. His(her?) silence is pretty suspicious.

sig wrote:As I said Cobalt always seems like mafia to me and the games I've played with him he never is so I was willing to give him the benefit of doubt.

On websites I play on a tie vote equals a no lynch so a wasted first day, with this logic it makes sense that I would view nijuu suspicious as she was bringing it closer to a tied vote. I found the self lynch vote suspicious and I gave my reasoning behind it.

Also I never voted for Cobalt I didn't switch my vote SVS was my first and only vote, so did you misunderstand or are you trying to throw suspicion on me your either lying or have your facts wrong.

This question has a lot of bearing if the independent count as civilians then the mafia is one up, if this was the case I would be more suspicious of Cobalt for his vote switching. As well as the fact that it is good to know our numbers since I've played games were the independents do count as town and some where they do not, I don't see how this is suspicious. Also if I was mafia why would I ask this question on the thread and not in mafia chat?

Your falsehood about my voting as well as what your "pings" are is very strange, what do you Scotty think about the SVS lynch? WHat do you think of CObalt switching votes? How did I draw attention away from CObalt?

Keep in mind my predilections of you as mafia as I was reading on the train after work were mostly in part to my assumption that Cobalt is probably bad. You didn't physically vote for Cobalt, yes, but your posts were heavily leaning that way [to me]. And when it came down to it, when people were starting to vote for the top 3, you chalked it up to "ehhhh, cobalt always appears mafia, he probably isn't this game." Thus indirectly casting suspicion elsewhere.

What do I think about the SVS lynch?
I think it wasn't bad, it wasn't good. Independents have their own win conditions, so it was probably good for the other independents, if my theory of that PM puzzle with the 3/4 lyricists was any indication.

Cobalt switching votes?
Cobalt has seemed fishy for me before that anyway, so I think he should and will get flak for switching votes like that.

Drawing attention away from Cobalt?
You questioned him multiple times on his comings and goings, including the vote switch. He stuck with voting for SVS, which if I were suspicious of a person changing votes, I would definitely wonder why that person was voting the other person. Cobalt said he was going to vote SVS because LC didn't have any traction. You know, saving himself, getting the best chance to vote someone out other than himself. A fishy bandwagon vote. So logically, you ended up looking past that and voting SVS as well. Yes, you stated that SVS voting herself seemed like a mafia-like move, but the Cobalt switch and you not changing your vote to Cobalt or even really talking about it again in the 10 minutes before the polls closed subtly tells me you might be covering Co.

Honestly, sig, I was putting my feelers out because of my impulse read on Cobalt. If Cobalt does turn out to be civ, I will drop all of this suspicion I've thrown on you and apologize, but I'm still leaning heavy mafia on him.

I mean do you think he is mafia at this point?

Yes pls

nutella wrote:@Scotty what evidence do you see that there could be two kills? We don't seem to know anything about the roles or the baddie teams really, unless I'm missing something... Typically when there are two teams they kill on alternate nights (I guess you're new to the site and might not have realized that). Though it certainly could be the case that two or more roles/teams kill on the same night. There could be a civ ninja or an indie SK.

I've never seen multiple mafia teams before, and I got my info from this:
http://www.princeton.edu/~sucharit/~maf ... m#multiple families

I realize that my paranoia is usually founded on facts that may or may not be true. Thanks for clarifying!

DFaraday wrote:

Scotty wrote: I want to know, @DFaraday, since both of our PMs seem similar if not the same, how many words does yours have? If it has the same amount, I'm going to start thinking down a different path on whether or not there is only ~4 unique PMs and what that could mean.

It's 88 words, counting "music-theatre-canon" as one word each time.

If you're sure about that, you have 4 more words than me.

Which tells me our messages are not identical.

I wonder if there are like 2-3 differing phrases to look out for...On another viewing, I have the word "night" and "own memory". Could be a night action, and not specifically in reference to Cats, but to all Broadway revivals..role checking is similar to memory. Maybe there's a correlation? Hmm. Any other words stand out to you in yours?

Cobalt wrote:

Scotty wrote:-Cobalt. Still feeling that holier-than-thou air of confidence is a red flag with his "I have a surprise" talk, on top of his ganging on LC. I feel like he's entirely too comfortable after almost dying. I'm REALLY curious as to finding out just what mafia role Cobalt could have. Could LC and Cobalt both be civ? hahaha not likely. But wouldn't it be hilarious if both are on different mafia teams?

I'm plenty comfortable. Unless they decide to night kill me, and I don't know how that works with two mafia teams, but if they want this game to turn out anything other than boring I'll survive this night phase.

What in Sondheim's Grey Toupee' could you have?
Could it be a bomb of sorts?

See, this is why I want to find out role abilities. Who knows what random unique things Dom threw into each one?

Golden wrote:I have rearranged each word that appears in my PM so that it appears only once and forms a meaningful sentence. This is what I come up with.

"Upon their death time can stop. A song cycle will follow second, be there. If they are lynched about day two, so what. Row much more than you’d think."

Wow, nice job Golden. Cool beans. So of all of the available roles, Songs for a New World is the only real song cycle there, with maaaaybe Last 5 Years. But for all intents and purposes, let's assume it's SfaNW. Brainstorming a little here. The way you've ordered these sentences come off as reactionary to something. Like, maybe if Jason Robert Brown is killed, "time will stop" and instead the Songs for a New World can take the fall instead. The last 2 sentences could just be flavor text. "Row much more than you'd think" could be a reference to traveling across the [metaphorical] ocean (which is a lyric in the title song). That would be pretty cool.

I want to know, @DFaraday, since both of our PMs seem similar if not the same, how many words does yours have? If it has the same amount, I'm going to start thinking down a different path on whether or not there is only ~4 unique PMs and what that could mean.

While I think it's a positive scenario that Hammerstein is gone, mafia is still going strong in the wings. And I think I just neglected to realize it before, but aren't 2 people most likely dying tonight?

That makes me nervous, and puts the civs at a HUGE disadvantage the longer we don't pinpoint mafia.

Couple things I noticed after skimming the past 6 pages:
-Epi reads to me as civ, whereas I originally saw him as slightly mafia/indep. He came off to me early on as the wannabe big man on campus, lots of needling, not backing down, sorta pushy and bullying. But he has spunk. He still hasn't backed down from his day 0 reads. He's still pretty sure of his reads and I'm leaning that he is worst case scenario independent, probably civ.
-LC I think has legit reasons to jump in last minute. Busy people be busy sometimes. I'm one of those people. That still doesn't vindicate him from suspicion. Although I was never wholly suspicious of him as much as I am with...
-Cobalt. Still feeling that holier-than-thou air of confidence is a red flag with his "I have a surprise" talk, on top of his ganging on LC. I feel like he's entirely too comfortable after almost dying. I'm REALLY curious as to finding out just what mafia role Cobalt could have. Could LC and Cobalt both be civ? hahaha not likely. But wouldn't it be hilarious if both are on different mafia teams?
-Still got that scummy vibe from TinyBubbles. Got a big ole eye on her (him?)

TinyBubbles wrote:Anyway, what timmer said about cobalt revenge voting makes some sense, im gonna go ahead and trust his instincts, and vote for cobalt now. Sory cobalt if you are innocent. I may just be setting myself up for an early lynching myself by doing this, but dont want to miss the vote like in last games (wont be home 10 hrs from now) dont want to vote long con because of what i said before, svs is still a mystery but he hasnt voted which makes mphim slightly less suspicious than cobalt at the moment. I actually feel like svs is mafia, but dont have anything concrete to point to

So from your initial posts, saying you generally preferred to bandwagon on Day 1 (which that by itself is either newby and/or suspicious), to being the 4th person to vote today (for Cobalt), apologizing for backtracking with the excuse that you weren't gonna be around later on, then in the same post saying you suspected that SVS was mafia, and NOT VOTING FOR HER.

While I'm on the topic, someone else that pinged me in the last 6 pages was Sig.

sig wrote:I don't like how Cobalt switched his vote, he went after LC like crazy yet switches that seems off. I don't think SVS is mafia, but if she is voting for herself is it a tactic to not get lynched or a genuine vote? I really would rather not lynch SVS it is a gut feeling...

OK, questioning Cobalt's merits, doesn't want to mislynch SVS.

sig wrote:I'm here but I'm unsure to vote for I will wait a few minutes, from my brief experience with CObalt he always seems like mafia to me

Uh oh, getting down to the wire. Leaning Cobalt...

sig wrote:We can't absolutely can't have a no lynch today for that reason along with others I will be voting for SVS
MAFIA IS MOST LIKELY TO TIE THE VOTE I'm very suspicious nijuukyugou right know for doing this

Suddenly, you can't have a tie, and so you lean...SVS? Because you're thinking SVS's self-vote is fishy...And then cast doubt on nijuu at the same time.

sig wrote:I have 10 minuets I will reread Cobalts and SVS posts

@Sloonie considering Dom said he has a means of deciding I'm not as worried know I just didn't want a no lynch

Now the no-lynch doesn't matter. So you'll nonchalantly "reread" their posts to see if you want to change your mind, now that you're already currently voting for SVS and not Cobalt.

Which you stick with. Cool, sticking to your guns.
Except,
you changed your vote from Cobalt to SVS to "break the tie", and when you learned that that didn't mean a no-lynch, you just hid behind the barn. Drawing attention away from Cobalt.

And immediately after SVS was lynched:

sig wrote:Quick question do the independents count as civilians against mafia or no? Some games I've played they do others they don't

Weird thing to comment about right after a lynching. What bearing does the answer to your question have on you if you are civ? We don't know what roles independents have, but i can assure you that they are not civilians. They are independent from both mafia and civilians.

I'm on to you, my friend.

I'm gonna pop in here a sec. I voted Conalt right now because I don't have time to read any more while at work today for the next 10 hours.

I feel a scummy vibe from TinyBubbles. I don't buy the "overwhelmed" post coming almost at the end of day 1. My placeholder vote is still on Cobalt but I'm wary of Bubbles, regardless of "how civ" they looked last game

Cobalt wrote:

Scotty wrote:I'm gonna ask again straight-

IF YOU HAVEN'T COMMENTED ABOUT THE PM DOM SENT YOU, AND DON'T HAVE TIME TO MAKE SENSE OF IT, OR ARE STILL THINKING ON IT, POST DEM KEY WORDS so we can start making sense of it.

Also, I'm realizing I'm making myself easy bait for Night 1 lynch, but eh. I like puzzles and can't help myself.

I've already made my post about the PM I got, but why are you so concerned with every single person posting about it? And why are you bringing up that you might be a night one target so early in the day phase? It looks a lot like you're trying to make yourself look like you're trying to solve a puzzle, so bring results or I'm watching you.

Why are you not concerned? I feel like I shouldn't have to validate this, but here we are. Dom's given us an interesting variable in the game, which may very well be helpful when we start deducing people's capabilities. Let's say Person x and y get lynched in Day 1/Night 1, and it's revealed that they were [role1] and [role2]. Now tell me-what we know about them, besides their allegiance? Nothing. Role1/2 may have been a pretty major role, but how would we know?

So I'm doing my best to solve this puzzle, but I can't solve a puzzle when I'm missing 17 pieces.

Not Faraday, sorry, meant Gumshoe. I'm bloody tired.

I'm gonna put out there before I go to bed that I don't have any great reads on many (mostly because I don't really know anyone here), but I think there is something between Cobalt and Gumshoe. I'm willing to gander, with Cobalt's veiled defense of Gumshoe, that one or both are bad. Cobalt did have some major pushes for a second early Day 1, and I feel like Gumshoe may be trying too hard to be res. That's the best I got before Day 2 rolls around. I'm working noon to midnight tomorrow- I'll literally have time enough to take a piss and vote, so my tentative vote right now is for one of them. I'll check again on my way to work if I sway my vote.

timmer wrote:Mine mirrored this but also had a bit at the end about doing something before someone somethings and the word "dies" is in there a bit as well. I think we overlap a bit, but it's hard to be sure of what this is saying.

It's a start. something something something. cool. lol

Any other key words? Mirrored Faraday's how? The lyricists? Very vague right now, but im assuming it might mean the role needs to kill (x) before (y) dies.

linki: Good work Golden. That could be something. The more info we learn from people the better so we can play matchups.