The Syndicate

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 8:21 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 8:21 pm I've decided Dennis is scum
You decided that on your 2nd post I think

You bad, Dennis?

WOW.

A) 2 mafia down, in a 15 player game that probably means there’s only 1 more, right? assuming there’s no 3p’s as nook ‘doesn’t like to party’

B) why did Kate die? Ability from psv to kill one of her voters or was Kate poisoned or something?

If the latter, makes me wonder if someone like falcon didn’t green check her and actually did something nefarious.

C) I wasn’t actually feeling the psv yeet and only tried to switch to get art. Didn’t make it in time

[VOTE: psv] aubergine

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:37 pm ...nah this ain't wolf!PSV

@Kate @Thunal33 y'all should reconsider

Let’s do pyxxy instead!

I don’t believe his claim that his art doesn’t do anything

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:31 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:30 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:29 pm [VOTE: scotty] aubergine
Towny vote

He has no impetus to start a wagon on me as wolf imo

Don’t lynch quin

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:38 pm Like my d1 reads are generally Jackson Pollack paintings. But I feel confident Quin is town. Let’s get off him

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:43 pm Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen
I still think Scotty's handling of EoD1 was towny. He seems more fluid, his snap townread on Quin leans town to me, and just the amount of view changing and purposeful vote switching is difficult to fake.

I have been nothing if not fluid this game.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:05 pm
Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:50 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:15 am Scotty has convinced me to not townread Scotty.
Why pls
Because I thought about it more and I decided that the thing I saw is actually possibly more likely to come from a wolf than town, and also the way Scotty approached it, without questioning me about ny self-stated bad townread until I questioned him about why it was, along with how he was like like "that is NAI" without digging into me about it even though he has supposedly been waffly on me, suggests that he cares less about how I'm thinking and more about my read on him (and people poiting out their own things that are NAI or even wolfy are the sorts of things that can easily be done by wolves to look townie [which I definitely do at times]).

I can see this is going to be a messy divorce.

We should have never gotten married. My dad was right.

Serious talk tho- ‘cares less about what you’re thinking about more about my read on him’
I don’t know where you get that from. Your thoughts had jived with me this game, and then I woke up earlier and was like huh, is he pocketing me?

“people poiting out their own things that are NAI or even wolfy are the sorts of things that can easily be done by wolves to look townie”
I just want to point out that me commenting how things are NAI for me is actually NAI for me

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:58 am
Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:56 am
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:54 am I'm not sure, I could move you up a couple notches I suppose. I'm lumping you in with psv and genny in my mind. I will try not to do that.
Lol the SDN conglomerate. I am indeed my own person.

What's your take on Quin and on Scotty's defense there?
RIP the SDN squad, pillars of scumminess. The only thing wolfier than our patients is us.

Ok that got me

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:51 am Why do people keep bring the topic back to scotty everything a discussion gets going? That shit is not going to stick.

I’m slimy like that

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:26 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:31 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:29 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:24 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:22 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:17 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:12 am
That does help actually.

I tend to be more suspicious of those that agree with my reads and try to hold hands with those that try to push me away.

I’m sure there’s a psychological reasoning in there somewhere
You don't care what the dumb reason is?
Did you open a fortune cookie and find ‘That Scottie is a right good chap
Lucky numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42’?
No.
ok I’ll bite. Whyfor
I kinda believe you didn't realize Creature was dead, which would be weird as mafia.
Weird for Scotty in particular or weird in general?
Because I've seen woofs forget who was dead or pretend to forget who was dead...so many times. I've done it myself (mostly the actual forgetting).

Yeah, it’s pretty non alignment indicative for me

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:22 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:15 am
Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:13 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:42 am I still don’t think Quin is the droid you’re looking for, @pyxxy and @Dubz

I don’t think he’s bad
Is it just the timing of him voting for you d1 or is there more?
I just believe he is authentic.
Yeah I don't feel the same. Almost every time he posts there's alarm bells in my head.

Quin’s a tough cookie to crack. He looks rather suspicious, which I actually associate more with town Quin from my play memory with him, if that makes sense

No, I don’t have receipts.

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:23 am Also, what's with the Roxy votes? Has she even done anything?

No, and that’s weird to me.

I’m not ruling out she could be, but putting some pressure on her is important.

Kate, who is now universally townread, has said she didn’t see that usual Town Roxy initially, and i trust her read of Roxy [if I trust Kate, which I do]

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:13 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:42 am I still don’t think Quin is the droid you’re looking for, @pyxxy and @Dubz

I don’t think he’s bad
Is it just the timing of him voting for you d1 or is there more?

I just believe he is authentic.

genny wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:08 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:29 am Current rainbow

Kate
Quin

Falcon
Zenon
Dennis

Seanzie
Dubz
Potentialsheltervet

Thunal
Lemonfairy

Genny
Roxy
Pyxxy

Apparently if your name ends in a -y, I suspect you
Scott-y, there can be only one?

SHE LIVES

@Zenon, I just ranked you as a Townlean, and I don’t know why. Vibe read I guess?

When you roll mafia, what is your feeling? Like, does it make you feel anxious?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:31 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:29 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:24 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:22 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:17 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:12 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:07 am

If it helps, if I didn't have a dumb reason to townlean you, I'd probably suspect you for how you're handling me.
That does help actually.

I tend to be more suspicious of those that agree with my reads and try to hold hands with those that try to push me away.

I’m sure there’s a psychological reasoning in there somewhere
You don't care what the dumb reason is?
Did you open a fortune cookie and find ‘That Scottie is a right good chap
Lucky numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42’?
No.
ok I’ll bite. Whyfor
I kinda believe you didn't realize Creature was dead, which would be weird as mafia.

ah

Well

To be frank, I’ve dumbtold on purpose as mafia, and I’ve also just been dumb as both alignments. This is definitely the latter, and probably doesn’t need to be AI. My memory is spotty sometimes and try not to fall prey to my own lapses but it happens

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:24 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:22 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:17 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:12 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:07 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:05 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:57 am

Just realized I forgot to respond to this.

I haven't played with Thun in a while, but one of the things she would do as town and have a hard time replication as scum was a sort of paranoia/worry about being wrong, which I don't see here. It has been a while, but people are slow to change, so this worries me. She also re-used almost exactly the same read on me from long ago, which scum sometimes do by accident (I purposefully put people in similar situations with regard to me game after game because it is sometimes easy to tell when someone has a genuine new townie reaction verses someone recycling an old townie reaction). Finally, kind of a micro-read but the way she is writing her sentences is scum-indicative IMO. It is passive with many modifiers/qualifiers, which tends to come from someone wanting to look like they're considering things rather than someone writing stream of consciousness or excited about having figured out this or that.
Oh and then you go and make a case like this that I once again find myself nodding along with.

I mean, I can dig this.

Ugh

Seanzie I just can’t quit you
If it helps, if I didn't have a dumb reason to townlean you, I'd probably suspect you for how you're handling me.
That does help actually.

I tend to be more suspicious of those that agree with my reads and try to hold hands with those that try to push me away.

I’m sure there’s a psychological reasoning in there somewhere
You don't care what the dumb reason is?
Did you open a fortune cookie and find ‘That Scottie is a right good chap
Lucky numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42’?
No.

ok I’ll bite. Whyfor

Current rainbow

Kate
Quin

Falcon
Zenon
Dennis

Seanzie
Dubz
Potentialsheltervet

Thunal
Lemonfairy

Genny
Roxy
Pyxxy

Apparently if your name ends in a -y, I suspect you

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:17 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:12 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:07 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:05 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:57 am
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:59 pm @Dennis @Seanzie what are you seeing in @Thunal33 ?
Just realized I forgot to respond to this.

I haven't played with Thun in a while, but one of the things she would do as town and have a hard time replication as scum was a sort of paranoia/worry about being wrong, which I don't see here. It has been a while, but people are slow to change, so this worries me. She also re-used almost exactly the same read on me from long ago, which scum sometimes do by accident (I purposefully put people in similar situations with regard to me game after game because it is sometimes easy to tell when someone has a genuine new townie reaction verses someone recycling an old townie reaction). Finally, kind of a micro-read but the way she is writing her sentences is scum-indicative IMO. It is passive with many modifiers/qualifiers, which tends to come from someone wanting to look like they're considering things rather than someone writing stream of consciousness or excited about having figured out this or that.
Oh and then you go and make a case like this that I once again find myself nodding along with.

I mean, I can dig this.

Ugh

Seanzie I just can’t quit you
If it helps, if I didn't have a dumb reason to townlean you, I'd probably suspect you for how you're handling me.
That does help actually.

I tend to be more suspicious of those that agree with my reads and try to hold hands with those that try to push me away.

I’m sure there’s a psychological reasoning in there somewhere
You don't care what the dumb reason is?

Did you open a fortune cookie and find ‘That Scottie is a right good chap
Lucky numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42’?

Pyxxy is bad.

For someone that is a self-described mech lover, why have you not even talked about mech this game? There’s many many claims, and your iso is mostly ‘oops, blush, die demon, creature deserved to die, I’m a little teacup’ type stuff.

You’ve said you don’t have time until at least d3, which like…ok. But you have enough time to fluff post. I know I’m one to talk- I feel like half my iso is just fluff.

But here’s the difference- my fluff is *attached* to my body. When you pet me, you realize you’re petting something living and breathing.
Your fluff is just floating in the wind, with nothing of substance attached; a proverbial hairball, if you will.

I just expect more of you with the amount of posts you have.

I’d vote for you but I also think roxy needs some pressure.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:07 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:05 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:57 am
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:59 pm @Dennis @Seanzie what are you seeing in @Thunal33 ?
Just realized I forgot to respond to this.

I haven't played with Thun in a while, but one of the things she would do as town and have a hard time replication as scum was a sort of paranoia/worry about being wrong, which I don't see here. It has been a while, but people are slow to change, so this worries me. She also re-used almost exactly the same read on me from long ago, which scum sometimes do by accident (I purposefully put people in similar situations with regard to me game after game because it is sometimes easy to tell when someone has a genuine new townie reaction verses someone recycling an old townie reaction). Finally, kind of a micro-read but the way she is writing her sentences is scum-indicative IMO. It is passive with many modifiers/qualifiers, which tends to come from someone wanting to look like they're considering things rather than someone writing stream of consciousness or excited about having figured out this or that.
Oh and then you go and make a case like this that I once again find myself nodding along with.

I mean, I can dig this.

Ugh

Seanzie I just can’t quit you
If it helps, if I didn't have a dumb reason to townlean you, I'd probably suspect you for how you're handling me.

That does help actually.

I tend to be more suspicious of those that agree with my reads and try to hold hands with those that try to push me away.

I’m sure there’s a psychological reasoning in there somewhere

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:57 am
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:59 pm @Dennis @Seanzie what are you seeing in @Thunal33 ?
Just realized I forgot to respond to this.

I haven't played with Thun in a while, but one of the things she would do as town and have a hard time replication as scum was a sort of paranoia/worry about being wrong, which I don't see here. It has been a while, but people are slow to change, so this worries me. She also re-used almost exactly the same read on me from long ago, which scum sometimes do by accident (I purposefully put people in similar situations with regard to me game after game because it is sometimes easy to tell when someone has a genuine new townie reaction verses someone recycling an old townie reaction). Finally, kind of a micro-read but the way she is writing her sentences is scum-indicative IMO. It is passive with many modifiers/qualifiers, which tends to come from someone wanting to look like they're considering things rather than someone writing stream of consciousness or excited about having figured out this or that.

Oh and then you go and make a case like this that I once again find myself nodding along with.

I mean, I can dig this.

Ugh

Seanzie I just can’t quit you

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:39 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:30 am My Townlean on Seanzie that I had d1 is gone. I no longer feel comfortable with him as my mason

I want a divorce
Why?

Also I didn't agree to be masons. You said that after I tongue-in-cheek agreed with your Creature read.

I woke up from my drunken stupor and realized my mom wouldn’t approve

No but actually, I just looked at your iso and feel like while we have a lot of the same types of reads, yours just seem a bit more surface level. I feel like you’re saying the right things, which is why I initially agree with you.

You’re not a major ping, mind you. You’re just now a scumlean.

My Townlean on Seanzie that I had d1 is gone. I no longer feel comfortable with him as my mason

I want a divorce

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:57 am I'd vote for Roxy.

And yet

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:23 am in the spirit of pride month have a rainbow list

Lemon
Dennis

potentialsheltervet
pyxxy
Thunal33

Falcon
Roxy
Zenon
Genny

Kate
Dubz

Scotty
Seanzie

I’m gonna keep defending you, even if it kills me

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:21 am This is a post to tell you that I'm voting Roxy

and why are -you- voting for Roxy?

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:21 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:19 pm Well that’s embarrassing

wow forgot he died
Derp clear denied

God this is an ugly spread of votes. Ends in 12 hours.

Current vote totals:
Genny (2): Kate, falcon
Quin (2): pyxxy, Dubz
Roxy (2): zenon, Scotty
Thunal (2): Seanzie, Dennis
pyxxy (1): potentialsheltervet
Scotty (1): lemonfairy
Seanzie (1): Quin

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:11 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:42 am I still don’t think Quin is the droid you’re looking for, @pyxxy and @Dubz

I don’t think he’s bad
point me in another direction, I don't have the brain space to make real reads in this game currently, so I will sheep you so long as it's not killing dennis

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:09 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:03 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:08 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:04 pm also
this isn't game-related but

pyxxy's first time meeting dubz:
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:53 pm [VOTE: demonfairy] aubergine

@Dubz nice to meet you. When you're playing scum, how do you typically get caught (if at all)? e.g. can people find you alone, do you get easily revealed by your teammates flipping, are you told that you have tells, etc.
pyxxy's first time meeting lemon:
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:50 pm Kill the fairy and awake from the dream
Kil the fairy and awwake from the dream
Kill the fairy nd awake fromm the Ddream
Kill the Fairy and awakee from tthe dream
Kill the faiiry and awake from teh dream
kill the fairy and awake from the dream
Kll the fairy anNd avvake from the dream
Kill the fairy and awake from the dream
Kiill the fairy nd awak from the dream
Kill the fairy and awake from the dddream
Killl the fairy anD Awake from the Dream
Kill thE fairy aand awake fro the dream
Kill the firy and awke from the dream
Kill the fairry and awake from thHe dream
KiLl the fairy andd aAwake from the dreEam

ur making me blush
“When two fae meet in the enchanted woods..”

A romantic comedy starring rob schneider and jinkx monsoon, coming summer 2024

Or sooner, depending
you really think rob schneider would play me

I never said what role he’d be playing

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:07 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:45 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:44 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:47 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:35 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:03 pm guess this is another game where lemon gets misexed earlygame for having spicy reads that other people don't agree with and no one cares enough to think twice
I don’t think your reads are spicy

They’re more sour than anything

[VOTE: lemonfairy] aubergine
You're sure? His last few posts later today seem more frustrated civ.

I'd really rather go genny.
Genny is the definition of LHF. I think she is a good candidate for a vig shot. If she flips town, what do we learn?
To be clear, I don’t have a reason to townread genny, but I truly have no confidence with calling them wolf
I believe that's what we in the business call a "null"

Nulls are the death of mafia. I’m taking a stand! And she is firmly somewhere between town and mafia

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:06 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:19 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:06 pm in other news that we covered yesterday

dennis is town
What channel is this cause I don't remember that
ask your mom to buy you cable, it's the summer you should watch Game Show Network

For shame
Trying to corrupt our boy with chuck woolrey and richard dawson!

I actually did spend a few summers with GSN on at all times in the background

I still don’t think Quin is the droid you’re looking for, @pyxxy and @Dubz

I don’t think he’s bad

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:50 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:10 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:45 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:44 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:47 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:35 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:03 pm guess this is another game where lemon gets misexed earlygame for having spicy reads that other people don't agree with and no one cares enough to think twice
I don’t think your reads are spicy

They’re more sour than anything

[VOTE: lemonfairy] aubergine
You're sure? His last few posts later today seem more frustrated civ.

I'd really rather go genny.
Genny is the definition of LHF. I think she is a good candidate for a vig shot. If she flips town, what do we learn?
The same thing we'd learn from any other mislynch. Who opposed it? However, on the other hand, if she's bad we learn a lot.
I mean, of course if she’s bad we learn a lot lol

If I drink 2 liters of sherry and I start yacking in the bathroom 4 hours later, i also learn a lot about my drinking limit. Doesn’t mean it’s the smartest move at the office party
Yep. Well you engaged me so I gave you my opinion. No worries, no one ever listens to me

No I heard you, I was just being sassy

I’d love to touch on Roxy.

Now that Kate is bright and shiny town beacon, she has made some posts that have questioned Roxy’s town meta.

They have a unique type of read on each other, and I didn’t miss that.

@Kate what say you of Roxy atm?

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:45 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:44 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:47 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:35 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:03 pm guess this is another game where lemon gets misexed earlygame for having spicy reads that other people don't agree with and no one cares enough to think twice
I don’t think your reads are spicy

They’re more sour than anything

[VOTE: lemonfairy] aubergine
You're sure? His last few posts later today seem more frustrated civ.

I'd really rather go genny.
Genny is the definition of LHF. I think she is a good candidate for a vig shot. If she flips town, what do we learn?
The same thing we'd learn from any other mislynch. Who opposed it? However, on the other hand, if she's bad we learn a lot.

I mean, of course if she’s bad we learn a lot lol

If I drink 2 liters of sherry and I start yacking in the bathroom 4 hours later, i also learn a lot about my drinking limit. Doesn’t mean it’s the smartest move at the office party

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:13 pm Lemon, despite hijacking the thread, looks town to me. Are yall sure on that vote?

Lemon, any other thoughts beyond scotty?

I would like to see lemon launch into another suspicion. It’s not even that it’s on me, but the effort is a continuation at this point that lemon could have just up and run with

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:08 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:04 pm also
this isn't game-related but

pyxxy's first time meeting dubz:
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:53 pm [VOTE: demonfairy] aubergine

@Dubz nice to meet you. When you're playing scum, how do you typically get caught (if at all)? e.g. can people find you alone, do you get easily revealed by your teammates flipping, are you told that you have tells, etc.
pyxxy's first time meeting lemon:
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:50 pm Kill the fairy and awake from the dream
Kil the fairy and awwake from the dream
Kill the fairy nd awake fromm the Ddream
Kill the Fairy and awakee from tthe dream
Kill the faiiry and awake from teh dream
kill the fairy and awake from the dream
Kll the fairy anNd avvake from the dream
Kill the fairy and awake from the dream
Kiill the fairy nd awak from the dream
Kill the fairy and awake from the dddream
Killl the fairy anD Awake from the Dream
Kill thE fairy aand awake fro the dream
Kill the firy and awke from the dream
Kill the fairry and awake from thHe dream
KiLl the fairy andd aAwake from the dreEam

ur making me blush

“When two fae meet in the enchanted woods..”

A romantic comedy starring rob schneider and jinkx monsoon, coming summer 2024

Or sooner, depending

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:02 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:32 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:40 pm Oops I jumped off my buddy Dennis again, @Quin
oh? you were tight about this?
I don’t know what tight means in this context.

I mentioned this because Quin seems to have this tinfoil that I’m buddying with Dennis, since I’ve voted for him about 3 times and not left my vote on him

I guess?
"Mostly used in the New York area, usually meaning extremely mad or irritated."

I like spicy scotty.

Ah

I try not to talk with the people outside my apartment if I can help it

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:46 pm as you can see, I am just a silly lemon and definitely not evil or nefarious

Ironically, we’re now seeing the OMGUS juxtaposition that zenon was talking about with you

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:32 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:21 pm post title: why the extremely towny and cute lemon scumreads Scotty the scummy (read accuracy not guaranteed)

started with this post:
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:11 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:02 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:57 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:54 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:49 pm [VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Because I just became privvy to the implication of his name spelled backwards

Seems Ytliug
Certified yttocS moment

So can you give me a bit more than that
Sure:

Spoiler: show
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English I Honors
14 April 2023
Avoiding Responsibility for Your Actions
It happens more often than not for one to blame others if they only look on the surface. People would rather not be held accountable for their actions and instead point the finger at whoever seems the most obvious. However, one must look deeper and think critically to decide where to place blame. This is put on display in Romeo and Juliet by William Shakespeare. The tragedy of Romeo and Juliet often gets blamed on Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse because of their secrecy and handling of the situation. One could claim the friar or the nurse should have told the Lords of the plans or refused to help Romeo and Juliet outright. However, there were hidden risks and dangers to each option. Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse prove through the play that they are acting according to their judgment, not just whatever Romeo or Juliet demands, and are not responsible for the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet.
In the play, Friar Laurence gives Juliet a potion to make her appear dead for several days as a part of a plan to reunite her with her husband (Shakespeare 4.1.89-120). There are multiple seemingly risky and dangerous plans used by Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse, but there is always more to them than meets the eye. Friar Laurence’s poison plan, for example, was not on a whim. The friar is a master at herbology and knows many different uses for herbs. It would be irresponsible and deadly to attempt this plan without his knowledge. He is clearly putting thought, and his own skills, into aiding Juliet, while avoiding certain failure. But, this play would not be a tragedy if something didn’t go wrong. Friar Laurence’s message to Romeo in Mantua doesn’t get through, as all friars are being quarantined because of a breakout of the plague (5.2.10-11). It is unjust to blame Friar Laurence for this wicked twist of fate. Every part of his plan was crucial and meticulous--if everything went smoothly, it would have worked. A breakout of the plague could not have even been predicted by doctors during this time period, much less a friar. One cannot blame Friar Laurence for losing control of his plan. But the friar is not the only person who people claim should have taken a different course of action. At multiple points in the play, Juliet’s nurse has the opportunity to bring up Romeo and Juliet’s marriage to Lord and Lady Capulet, but she doesn’t. One might say she carries some blame for keeping it a secret. However, Lord Capulet displays very violent tendencies, especially regarding Juliet and her marriage, and Lady Capulet sides with him (3.5). The nurse cannot safely let anyone know about the marriage without putting her and Juliet’s safety at risk. She is forced into a very troubling situation where she doesn’t want to have to keep this secret but cannot. Both the nurse and Friar Laurence were trying to help, but one may argue they should not have even tolerated the relationship between the two.
Romeo and Juliet’s forbidden love is the driving factor of the play, forcing everyone involved to be secretive and hide things to avoid the Lords becoming furious. But would it have been a happier ending if the nurse or Friar Laurence had refused to help? Juliet was receiving constant pressure from her parents to marry Paris (1.3.60-66), but Juliet says she would rather “bid me go into a new-made grave” than marry him (4.1.84). The Nurse is aware of Juliet’s feelings, but she cannot take either side. On one side, she wants to side with Juliet. Juliet and her nurse have always been very close, and so it is natural that she wouldn’t want to see Juliet married miserably. On the other, this is a time period where it is considered proper for children, especially unmarried girls, to always respect and obey their parents. Zhao Ban, a philosopher and generally considered the first female Chinese historian wrote in her article “On Reverence for Parents” that “Girls not yet gone out from their homes / Must carefully reverence their parents” (1-2). It goes against the nurse’s core values to help Juliet disobey the Capulets. The nurse is trapped in a moral dilemma where she must make a decision or else Juliet would be trapped by her parents into an unhappy marriage, but must be careful with her actions or else she could get in serious trouble with the Capulet family. Friar Laurence plays a pivotal role in Romeo and Juliet’s blossoming relationship. He agrees to marry the two the same day he learns that Romeo has met Juliet and moved on from Rosaline. On the surface, this is a ridiculous idea. However, when one considers that Friar Laurence married them not to appease Romeo, but instead to resolve the conflict between the Capulets and Monagues, the situation gets complicated (Shakespeare 2.3.88-92). Friar Laurence refuses at first, saying Romeo is only attracted to Juliet’s body and is moving much too fast (2.3.65-80). Romeo proves himself to be very emotionally volatile, going from moping about Rosaline (1.1.222-230) to being enamored of Juliet in the same day. Friar Laurence could not have been able to accurately predict Romeo’s reaction. In addition, the marriage is not just because Friar Laurence doesn’t see harm in it--he advises Romeo to slow down and think. The reason he follows through is because of the constant fights breaking out between the Capulets and Montagues. He sees this as a way to “turn your households’ rancor to pure love” (2.3.92). If this marriage works, it will prove that the houses have no real reason to fight, and the citizens of Verona will not have to live in fear of fights breaking out. It’s even possible the Friar actually sees himself as the hero, putting an end to the violence. If he refused, he would both have to deal with whatever Romeo’s reaction was and potentially live with the guilt of every innocent person slain in the subsequent fights. The reaction of the two children is a major driving factor as well. Both Romeo and Juliet threaten to kill themselves at multiple points in the play. Romeo, when he learns he is banished from Verona (3.3.105-109) and Juliet claims she would if all other plans to reunite with Romeo failed (3.5.244). These two children, clearly emotionally unstable and a lot of stress, put the nurse and Friar Laurence in a very tough position. If at any point things did not work out for them, they would kill themselves and their blood would be on the hands of the adults. It was nearly impossible for the adults to simply do nothing. The consequences of the rash behavior of the children ended up being the nurse and Friar Laurence’s responsibility, and they acted the best they could in that terrible situation.
Romeo and Juliet are rash and irresponsible, forcing themselves into very adult situations and then begging for aid, so far as to threaten killing themselves if the adults don’t help. Friar Laurence and the nurse, being thrusted into this position, make attempts to rationalize with the children before they try their more unorthodox plans. The nurse at first goes along with what Juliet wishes, but after Romeo is banished, she thinks about what to do and suggests Juliet just marry Paris and forget about Romeo (3.5.216-226). The nurse believes that this has gone too far and that Juliet should just follow her parent’s advice. Despite her constant complaints, the chances that Juliet would fall in love with Paris in an arranged marriage are higher than they seemed. According to “Would You Marry a Stranger?” by Jessica McBirney, arranged marriages are not all terrible. In fact, there is data that “those in arranged marriages generally enjoy happier lives and lower divorce rates” (2). The whole situation caused more problems for everyone than it solved, and Juliet is arguably being selfish. By refusing to try and move on and shame everyone around her into helping her, she manipulates the situation into exactly what she wants, and refuses the nurse’s attempts to make her reconsider Paris, or even just move on from Romeo. Friar Laurence had the almost exact opposite problem with Romeo. The friar was disappointed to hear how quickly Romeo moved on from Rosaline and advises that Romeo think about his decision more (Shakespeare 2.3.74-78). Romeo characteristically refuses to reconsider and begs until Friar Laurence gives in. It’s almost as if he doesn’t want help, he just wants what will make him happiest and doesn’t consider the consequences of his actions or the advice the friar gives. While Friar Laurence stands stronger on his position than the nurse did, he eventually caves as well and marries Romeo and Juliet. This could be seen as the initial conflict that starts the path to the tragedy, but truly the blame lies in Romeo and Juliet manipulating the adults around them. They are irresponsible and manipulative, threatening to kill themselves and leave the guilt of their deaths in the hearts of the adults unless everything goes their way. It eventually becomes clear that the only people who can truly be blamed for the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet is Romeo and Juliet themselves.
Juliet’s nurse and Friar Laurence tried their best, in a situation where they were being manipulated and had to be very careful with their actions, to aid Romeo and Juliet. The scholars that argue Friar Laurence and the nurse are responsible must reconsider and recognize the emotional struggle Romeo and Juliet put on them. It is important to think critically, from an unbiased perspective about situations before one places blame. We have all been in arguments or situations where taking the blame is unfavorable and attempt to place the blame on someone else. It’s hard to reconcile with guilt, and it’s okay to feel these things. But when someone else takes the fall for one, one carries the same, if not more responsibility than before.
Works Cited
“On Reverence for Parents”, Zhao Ban, c, 4.-120. Commonlit.
Shakespeare, William. Romeo and Juliet. Literatur, Grade 9, edited by Janet Allen, McDougal Littell, 2008, 940-1050.

This essay obviously has nothing to do with me and it's kind of unnerving you don't want to give a serious answer, especially because you just pushed me to top wagon
That’s fair. There’s no substance behind my vote.

I think I’ll feel bad if you were an actual wagon for no reason; as it stands with 2 votes, you’re more like a tricycle on a gentle slope
which I found a bit placating (mostly for the second part, which imo doesn't really need to be there)
but I didn't stare at it too much because it's fair to say Scotty's Dennis vote was just an unsubstantiated vote and although the second part might not be what I would say, maybe it's normal for Scotty

added this post in hindsight after Porscha kill:
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:20 am Porscha town

That’s all I know in this crazy world
this is the point where Scotty shifts from voting Quin to trying to get people off:
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:30 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:29 pm [VOTE: scotty] aubergine
Towny vote

He has no impetus to start a wagon on me as wolf imo

Don’t lynch quin
and it's fine
(aside from the basic "not wanting to end up on the wagon that flips" thing which is imo too vague to bring up as a reason but I'm putting it here anyway)

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:31 pm [VOTE: Dennis] aubergine
idk this was kind of weird

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:31 pm My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam
probably not wanting to stay on Dennis
only problem with this is how Scotty is talking to thread so it reads as a bit performative to me (ik I'm being a bit picky with this)

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:35 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:31 pm My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam
Creature or genny?
Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine
this pinged me so hard lol
didn't feel the need to point it out at the time because Quin already did

it's mostly the "honoring quin" part, which reads to me like Scotty thinks Quin flipping is already set and has TMI that Quin will flip town
and it brought back my initial "hmm" at Scotty moving off Quin, which I ignored the first time (because it wasn't concerning by itself but it now becomes a concern with this post)

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:38 pm Like my d1 reads are generally Jackson Pollack paintings. But I feel confident Quin is town. Let’s get off him
the confidence level doesn't feel real
Aro reminded me to be careful not to over-project confidence when it would be weird for town to be that confident in my recent scumgame and now I'm using it to hunt

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:42 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:41 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine
Unlike quin, I think this vote sucks
this was just uncalled for smh
(it's not a reason, I just felt a bit attacked by this)

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:43 pm Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen
here!
I didn't remember wrongly!
@Dubz this is what I'm referring to when I said it looked like Scotty knew moving around would make them look towny so it felt more like it was performative rather that indecisivess/waffling

the "why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen"
first part is fine, second part is LAMIST and imo shows a disproportionate degree of concern over being scumread (Scotty only had Quin and me voting them at the time and no one else really was scumreading them iirc)

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:45 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:43 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:40 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:38 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:35 pm
Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine
why are you honoring me specifically? i'm no less likely to self-pres if you 'honored' someone elses suspects.
Why do you suspect me?
buddying/distancing with dennis, but most recently i think your reaction to my most recent posts have been inauthentic.
oh, I thought that was obvious. You are the leading wagon and your random vote for me DOESNT come from wolf imo.

Ergo, im following you

Also haven’t caught up
yeah again, just the confidence level doesn't really match up to this reason, which imo is kind of lacking in comparison

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:46 pm Thunal tying it up for creature/genny, eh?

Just noting
not relevant to this post
but noted for whatever Thunal flips in the future

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:47 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:46 pm what if
someone else votes Scotty and then we let it rand
That’s…

Actually a terrible idea

Like, how does that help a solve?

Either vote me in confidence or get the hell off me
this is another post that I think shows almost too much concern over getting scumread/voted

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:49 pm Currently letting it rand on genny/creature also isn’t ideal.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:51 pm Guys genny only has 4 posts?

Really, are we doing this? That seems lame

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine
not wanting a rand on genny/creature
then saying genny vote is lame but not voting creature (bringing up not wanting to be on the wagon that flips again)

kate vote is just weird either way

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:52 pm No, I want Seanzie around too

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:52 pm For personal reasons
hmmm
(just another "wait and see" post)

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:55 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:55 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:54 pm [VOTE: creature] aubergineI'm moving to creature
oh shoot

I don’t like this
tbf, this kind of aligns with previous vote on kate

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:56 pm [VOTE: Dennis] aubergine
no idea what is happening atp

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:58 pm [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:59 pm Seanzie could be a hit
Scotty/Seanzie if that's a thing

ok I'm done
Scotty's trying to get people off? Happy June

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:31 pm I'm so towny
are y'all seeing this?

Lol well,,,sorta. What I have seen is someone that made a large case effortizing against one person, and then shaving a bit of zest off and making hand motions for everyone to smell how aromatic they are

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:30 pm I'm a bit worried I'm conf-biasing a little so a second (or more) pair of eyes would help

Yo, I got you!

Yeah, you’re wrong mate!

Take care!

Spoiler: show

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:21 pm post title: why the extremely towny and cute lemon scumreads Scotty the scummy (read accuracy not guaranteed)

started with this post:
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:11 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:02 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:57 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:54 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:49 pm [VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Because I just became privvy to the implication of his name spelled backwards

Seems Ytliug
Certified yttocS moment

So can you give me a bit more than that
Sure:

Spoiler: show
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English I Honors
14 April 2023
Avoiding Responsibility for Your Actions
It happens more often than not for one to blame others if they only look on the surface. People would rather not be held accountable for their actions and instead point the finger at whoever seems the most obvious. However, one must look deeper and think critically to decide where to place blame. This is put on display in Romeo and Juliet by William Shakespeare. The tragedy of Romeo and Juliet often gets blamed on Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse because of their secrecy and handling of the situation. One could claim the friar or the nurse should have told the Lords of the plans or refused to help Romeo and Juliet outright. However, there were hidden risks and dangers to each option. Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse prove through the play that they are acting according to their judgment, not just whatever Romeo or Juliet demands, and are not responsible for the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet.
In the play, Friar Laurence gives Juliet a potion to make her appear dead for several days as a part of a plan to reunite her with her husband (Shakespeare 4.1.89-120). There are multiple seemingly risky and dangerous plans used by Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse, but there is always more to them than meets the eye. Friar Laurence’s poison plan, for example, was not on a whim. The friar is a master at herbology and knows many different uses for herbs. It would be irresponsible and deadly to attempt this plan without his knowledge. He is clearly putting thought, and his own skills, into aiding Juliet, while avoiding certain failure. But, this play would not be a tragedy if something didn’t go wrong. Friar Laurence’s message to Romeo in Mantua doesn’t get through, as all friars are being quarantined because of a breakout of the plague (5.2.10-11). It is unjust to blame Friar Laurence for this wicked twist of fate. Every part of his plan was crucial and meticulous--if everything went smoothly, it would have worked. A breakout of the plague could not have even been predicted by doctors during this time period, much less a friar. One cannot blame Friar Laurence for losing control of his plan. But the friar is not the only person who people claim should have taken a different course of action. At multiple points in the play, Juliet’s nurse has the opportunity to bring up Romeo and Juliet’s marriage to Lord and Lady Capulet, but she doesn’t. One might say she carries some blame for keeping it a secret. However, Lord Capulet displays very violent tendencies, especially regarding Juliet and her marriage, and Lady Capulet sides with him (3.5). The nurse cannot safely let anyone know about the marriage without putting her and Juliet’s safety at risk. She is forced into a very troubling situation where she doesn’t want to have to keep this secret but cannot. Both the nurse and Friar Laurence were trying to help, but one may argue they should not have even tolerated the relationship between the two.
Romeo and Juliet’s forbidden love is the driving factor of the play, forcing everyone involved to be secretive and hide things to avoid the Lords becoming furious. But would it have been a happier ending if the nurse or Friar Laurence had refused to help? Juliet was receiving constant pressure from her parents to marry Paris (1.3.60-66), but Juliet says she would rather “bid me go into a new-made grave” than marry him (4.1.84). The Nurse is aware of Juliet’s feelings, but she cannot take either side. On one side, she wants to side with Juliet. Juliet and her nurse have always been very close, and so it is natural that she wouldn’t want to see Juliet married miserably. On the other, this is a time period where it is considered proper for children, especially unmarried girls, to always respect and obey their parents. Zhao Ban, a philosopher and generally considered the first female Chinese historian wrote in her article “On Reverence for Parents” that “Girls not yet gone out from their homes / Must carefully reverence their parents” (1-2). It goes against the nurse’s core values to help Juliet disobey the Capulets. The nurse is trapped in a moral dilemma where she must make a decision or else Juliet would be trapped by her parents into an unhappy marriage, but must be careful with her actions or else she could get in serious trouble with the Capulet family. Friar Laurence plays a pivotal role in Romeo and Juliet’s blossoming relationship. He agrees to marry the two the same day he learns that Romeo has met Juliet and moved on from Rosaline. On the surface, this is a ridiculous idea. However, when one considers that Friar Laurence married them not to appease Romeo, but instead to resolve the conflict between the Capulets and Monagues, the situation gets complicated (Shakespeare 2.3.88-92). Friar Laurence refuses at first, saying Romeo is only attracted to Juliet’s body and is moving much too fast (2.3.65-80). Romeo proves himself to be very emotionally volatile, going from moping about Rosaline (1.1.222-230) to being enamored of Juliet in the same day. Friar Laurence could not have been able to accurately predict Romeo’s reaction. In addition, the marriage is not just because Friar Laurence doesn’t see harm in it--he advises Romeo to slow down and think. The reason he follows through is because of the constant fights breaking out between the Capulets and Montagues. He sees this as a way to “turn your households’ rancor to pure love” (2.3.92). If this marriage works, it will prove that the houses have no real reason to fight, and the citizens of Verona will not have to live in fear of fights breaking out. It’s even possible the Friar actually sees himself as the hero, putting an end to the violence. If he refused, he would both have to deal with whatever Romeo’s reaction was and potentially live with the guilt of every innocent person slain in the subsequent fights. The reaction of the two children is a major driving factor as well. Both Romeo and Juliet threaten to kill themselves at multiple points in the play. Romeo, when he learns he is banished from Verona (3.3.105-109) and Juliet claims she would if all other plans to reunite with Romeo failed (3.5.244). These two children, clearly emotionally unstable and a lot of stress, put the nurse and Friar Laurence in a very tough position. If at any point things did not work out for them, they would kill themselves and their blood would be on the hands of the adults. It was nearly impossible for the adults to simply do nothing. The consequences of the rash behavior of the children ended up being the nurse and Friar Laurence’s responsibility, and they acted the best they could in that terrible situation.
Romeo and Juliet are rash and irresponsible, forcing themselves into very adult situations and then begging for aid, so far as to threaten killing themselves if the adults don’t help. Friar Laurence and the nurse, being thrusted into this position, make attempts to rationalize with the children before they try their more unorthodox plans. The nurse at first goes along with what Juliet wishes, but after Romeo is banished, she thinks about what to do and suggests Juliet just marry Paris and forget about Romeo (3.5.216-226). The nurse believes that this has gone too far and that Juliet should just follow her parent’s advice. Despite her constant complaints, the chances that Juliet would fall in love with Paris in an arranged marriage are higher than they seemed. According to “Would You Marry a Stranger?” by Jessica McBirney, arranged marriages are not all terrible. In fact, there is data that “those in arranged marriages generally enjoy happier lives and lower divorce rates” (2). The whole situation caused more problems for everyone than it solved, and Juliet is arguably being selfish. By refusing to try and move on and shame everyone around her into helping her, she manipulates the situation into exactly what she wants, and refuses the nurse’s attempts to make her reconsider Paris, or even just move on from Romeo. Friar Laurence had the almost exact opposite problem with Romeo. The friar was disappointed to hear how quickly Romeo moved on from Rosaline and advises that Romeo think about his decision more (Shakespeare 2.3.74-78). Romeo characteristically refuses to reconsider and begs until Friar Laurence gives in. It’s almost as if he doesn’t want help, he just wants what will make him happiest and doesn’t consider the consequences of his actions or the advice the friar gives. While Friar Laurence stands stronger on his position than the nurse did, he eventually caves as well and marries Romeo and Juliet. This could be seen as the initial conflict that starts the path to the tragedy, but truly the blame lies in Romeo and Juliet manipulating the adults around them. They are irresponsible and manipulative, threatening to kill themselves and leave the guilt of their deaths in the hearts of the adults unless everything goes their way. It eventually becomes clear that the only people who can truly be blamed for the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet is Romeo and Juliet themselves.
Juliet’s nurse and Friar Laurence tried their best, in a situation where they were being manipulated and had to be very careful with their actions, to aid Romeo and Juliet. The scholars that argue Friar Laurence and the nurse are responsible must reconsider and recognize the emotional struggle Romeo and Juliet put on them. It is important to think critically, from an unbiased perspective about situations before one places blame. We have all been in arguments or situations where taking the blame is unfavorable and attempt to place the blame on someone else. It’s hard to reconcile with guilt, and it’s okay to feel these things. But when someone else takes the fall for one, one carries the same, if not more responsibility than before.
Works Cited
“On Reverence for Parents”, Zhao Ban, c, 4.-120. Commonlit.
Shakespeare, William. Romeo and Juliet. Literatur, Grade 9, edited by Janet Allen, McDougal Littell, 2008, 940-1050.

This essay obviously has nothing to do with me and it's kind of unnerving you don't want to give a serious answer, especially because you just pushed me to top wagon
That’s fair. There’s no substance behind my vote.

I think I’ll feel bad if you were an actual wagon for no reason; as it stands with 2 votes, you’re more like a tricycle on a gentle slope
which I found a bit placating (mostly for the second part, which imo doesn't really need to be there)
but I didn't stare at it too much because it's fair to say Scotty's Dennis vote was just an unsubstantiated vote and although the second part might not be what I would say, maybe it's normal for Scotty

added this post in hindsight after Porscha kill:
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:20 am Porscha town

That’s all I know in this crazy world
this is the point where Scotty shifts from voting Quin to trying to get people off:
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:30 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:29 pm [VOTE: scotty] aubergine
Towny vote

He has no impetus to start a wagon on me as wolf imo

Don’t lynch quin
and it's fine
(aside from the basic "not wanting to end up on the wagon that flips" thing which is imo too vague to bring up as a reason but I'm putting it here anyway)

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:31 pm [VOTE: Dennis] aubergine
idk this was kind of weird

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:31 pm My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam
probably not wanting to stay on Dennis
only problem with this is how Scotty is talking to thread so it reads as a bit performative to me (ik I'm being a bit picky with this)

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:35 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:31 pm My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam
Creature or genny?
Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine
this pinged me so hard lol
didn't feel the need to point it out at the time because Quin already did

it's mostly the "honoring quin" part, which reads to me like Scotty thinks Quin flipping is already set and has TMI that Quin will flip town
and it brought back my initial "hmm" at Scotty moving off Quin, which I ignored the first time (because it wasn't concerning by itself but it now becomes a concern with this post)

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:38 pm Like my d1 reads are generally Jackson Pollack paintings. But I feel confident Quin is town. Let’s get off him
the confidence level doesn't feel real
Aro reminded me to be careful not to over-project confidence when it would be weird for town to be that confident in my recent scumgame and now I'm using it to hunt

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:42 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:41 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine
Unlike quin, I think this vote sucks
this was just uncalled for smh
(it's not a reason, I just felt a bit attacked by this)

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:43 pm Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen
here!
I didn't remember wrongly!
@Dubz this is what I'm referring to when I said it looked like Scotty knew moving around would make them look towny so it felt more like it was performative rather that indecisivess/waffling

the "why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen"
first part is fine, second part is LAMIST and imo shows a disproportionate degree of concern over being scumread (Scotty only had Quin and me voting them at the time and no one else really was scumreading them iirc)

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:45 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:43 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:40 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:38 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:35 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:35 pm

Creature or genny?
Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine
why are you honoring me specifically? i'm no less likely to self-pres if you 'honored' someone elses suspects.
Why do you suspect me?
buddying/distancing with dennis, but most recently i think your reaction to my most recent posts have been inauthentic.
oh, I thought that was obvious. You are the leading wagon and your random vote for me DOESNT come from wolf imo.

Ergo, im following you

Also haven’t caught up
yeah again, just the confidence level doesn't really match up to this reason, which imo is kind of lacking in comparison

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:46 pm Thunal tying it up for creature/genny, eh?

Just noting
not relevant to this post
but noted for whatever Thunal flips in the future

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:47 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:46 pm what if
someone else votes Scotty and then we let it rand
That’s…

Actually a terrible idea

Like, how does that help a solve?

Either vote me in confidence or get the hell off me
this is another post that I think shows almost too much concern over getting scumread/voted

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:49 pm Currently letting it rand on genny/creature also isn’t ideal.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:51 pm Guys genny only has 4 posts?

Really, are we doing this? That seems lame

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine
not wanting a rand on genny/creature
then saying genny vote is lame but not voting creature (bringing up not wanting to be on the wagon that flips again)

kate vote is just weird either way

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:52 pm No, I want Seanzie around too

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:52 pm For personal reasons
hmmm
(just another "wait and see" post)

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:55 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:55 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:54 pm [VOTE: creature] aubergineI'm moving to creature
oh shoot

I don’t like this
tbf, this kind of aligns with previous vote on kate

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:56 pm [VOTE: Dennis] aubergine
no idea what is happening atp

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:58 pm [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:59 pm Seanzie could be a hit
Scotty/Seanzie if that's a thing

ok I'm done

Holy damn! I may start thinking I’m bad after this.

You put a lot of thought into thought and while it’s utterly wrong, your effort is swaying me.

Does your read of Seanzie change if you knew I was town? Like would you think there is a level of pocketing going on?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:44 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:47 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:35 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:03 pm guess this is another game where lemon gets misexed earlygame for having spicy reads that other people don't agree with and no one cares enough to think twice
I don’t think your reads are spicy

They’re more sour than anything

[VOTE: lemonfairy] aubergine
You're sure? His last few posts later today seem more frustrated civ.

I'd really rather go genny.
Genny is the definition of LHF. I think she is a good candidate for a vig shot. If she flips town, what do we learn?

To be clear, I don’t have a reason to townread genny, but I truly have no confidence with calling them wolf

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:47 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:35 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:03 pm guess this is another game where lemon gets misexed earlygame for having spicy reads that other people don't agree with and no one cares enough to think twice
I don’t think your reads are spicy

They’re more sour than anything

[VOTE: lemonfairy] aubergine
You're sure? His last few posts later today seem more frustrated civ.

I'd really rather go genny.

Genny is the definition of LHF. I think she is a good candidate for a vig shot. If she flips town, what do we learn?

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:03 pm guess this is another game where lemon gets misexed earlygame for having spicy reads that other people don't agree with and no one cares enough to think twice

I don’t think your reads are spicy

They’re more sour than anything

[VOTE: lemonfairy] aubergine

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:40 pm Oops I jumped off my buddy Dennis again, @Quin
oh? you were tight about this?

I don’t know what tight means in this context.

I mentioned this because Quin seems to have this tinfoil that I’m buddying with Dennis, since I’ve voted for him about 3 times and not left my vote on him

I guess?

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:18 pm btw I donated my art to the museum because I love mountainous

jk
I had no idea what role to pick because I'm bad at decisions so I donated it for the greater good

That’s the towniest thing you’ve said all game.

What impetus would mafia have for donating?

Actually, I don’t really understand why anyone would ever donate unless they just have 83 pieces of art, since Thunal has expressed you can only use 2 actions a night.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:17 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:04 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:57 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:10 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:27 pm My eyes are on Scotty after that EOD and Seanzie since he turned into the Creature CW.

What do you infer from my loosey goosey end of day?
I have absolutely no idea. My initial thought during EOD was maybe you were partners with Creature but clearly that wasn't it.
You know the feeling you get after seeing a rather obtuse movie with your friends and you all talk about how weird it was and no one can agree on what it was about and you’re making tuna casserole 4 days later when you suddenly get it?

That’s me. I’m the movie
nah you're the casserole

hot dog, I’ll take it

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