The Syndicate

Yo Wilgy, were you our vig?

I don't like replacing into games I've determined. Sorry all, it was a lack of time that had me clinging to the most trusted people, and as it turns out, I shouldn't have trusted one of them. Gg bad cookies

Linki: Wtf

Well shit.

I would be pissed if MP is actually bad. Pissed. As Golden said, if Mp is bad, this is one of his most masterful games: not enough time, leader in posts, exhaustive quality, hand picking a baddie on day 2. I mean, it's pretty much a worst case scenario that I don't want to go up against.

Wilgy, I had a big ole post in response to your questions that got deleted in the thread lock because I forgot that I can't post in the night. Now that it was deleted, my desire to respond to him has plummeted.


I am not scum, and would like to vote either Wilgy or ika today. Ika is just pissed that he hasn't won yet. This is the ika I remember from Turf Wars.

I'm not voting for anyone yet until we've determined AS A GROUP to vote someone.

UNVOTE

Also Soneji needs to get his ass back like 70 hours ago.

DrWilgy wrote:Can someone else please cast your point of view on my suspicion of Scotty?

I've asked multiple unanswered questions, and pointed out several non civvie actions from Scotty, so other opinions would be appreciated.

Please point me in the direction of these questions one more time, mate.

The show ends at 10p so I will be unavailable except for like minutes at a time. I'm sorry I feel so useless in coming to the big boys table, but again I trust Golden and MP's judgment even though they have been running the thread.

DrWilgy wrote:VOTE SCOTTY

I'm more OK with a Scotty shanking than Zebra ganking.

I really want to lynch you. I think of me and zebra, zebra looks shadier.

My mom would agree.

I am in a show and have nothing to add. I feel best voting for zebra or Wilgy. We want to consolidate?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:It'd be nice to hear from Scotty and Soneji as well.

Yeah, I really want to hear from these guys.

Same. We need to be united in this. I'll consider moving my vote, but I'm most comfortable with zebra or Wilgy.

I will admit, Wilgy's last few posts have seemed like he legitimately gives a shit, so I'm feeling slightly better about him.

Could it be that he had votes against him and started giving a shit? I don't find that alignment indicative.

Gotta go, hope to be back in a couple hours before EoD. Don't hammer before then plz

DrWilgy wrote:

ika wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Waiiiit!! Ika is reminding me of Matt in the GoC!

VOTE IKA!

Sig don't think you can dodge me since I'm not voting you currently!

im not matt....

Yeah, but mafia Matt held a single suspicion on someone all game and skated by to win on it.

Hmm... Mafia Zebra did something similar in Rocky and Bullwinkle.

Starting to seem like a scum trait.

@Sig, do you wanna cfd onto Marmot?

You content with me? I mean I don't feel like cfd'ing at all, but I find it curious that you're willing to jump on Marmot so effortlessly.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Summary

- MM failed to take a hard stance on IAWY throughout all of d1 and d2. MM places IAWY in the null placement of both of his rainbow lists.

- For d1, MM stayed mostly silent about IAWY, but he did at least commit a soft defense in systematically dismissing the d1 IAWY wagon formation on a couple of occasions.

- MM interacts a fair amount with IAWY on d2, but doesn't seem to use any of it to form any read of him, which is the strongest point against him. I think this is relatively indicative of a teammate relationship; if it were true, it means that a teammate MM avoided taking any stance on bussing or hard defending IAWY, which is perhaps the most common teammate treatment in early game stages from my experience.


Conclusion

I would call MM's interactions with IAWY teammate compatible, and further, I'm willing to call them potentially teammate indicative.

What do you think?

I do have a couple comments about my Day 1 behavior.

I've explained it to a couple of people already. Since I was also a leading lynch candidate on Day 1, I was using my vote to keep myself out of the lead, and encouraging others to do the same. The less votes being moved around at EoD, the less risky it would be for me.

So now that you don't have votes on you to stress you out, where are you leaning to vote?

Grr I've been away too long. Had one of the longest and most grueling days of this tour so far, so I apologize for my absence.

I will only be spotty as well today, since it's another 2 shows I'm working with. But I know the deadline is coming up.

Wilgy, I still don't know how to respond to you (from like 8 pages ago). I'm also eyeing your suspicions like a hawk.

I glanced through MP's exhaustive (whew you outdo yourself sometimes, sock) and I found myself agreeing with most everything said.
In regards to MM, I do feel like he has flown under the radar.
I think Soneji isn't cleared, and could still very well be baddie. But. Here's the big but(t). I think both of you are on similar wavelengths this game. I also think Golden is lumped in that wavelength as well. So unless both you and Golden are secret Nazis, I'm feeling very good about you guys and, in tandem, Soneji right now.

sig I could see going either way, but I view him as a null-civ lean right now.

Zebra, who I haven't even talked about- I mean, this day phase she has been all over the place, and not offering any concrete rhyme or reason. How in the heck can that be considered civie behavior? I don't get it. I honestly believe that one of them should be lynched today, and the other shot tonight. I would do it, but I'm not a vigi. I'm a plain jane.

Golden wrote:Wilgy vs Scotty. Phew. This is more like it!

The war to end all wars. The doctor vs the mechanic. One comes from humble beginnings, one comes from a place of lies.

DrWilgy wrote:Scotty. Don't argue the AFK angle, that cup of WIFOM is full of tears and anguish.

Argue my suspicion please.

DrWilgy wrote:

Scotty wrote:Ok this here. What's happening here. Does anyone else find it fucking fishy as fuck? Like a salmon in a burrito.

Zebra, what did I do to you?

Explaine this to me. Y is this so

Y is wat so?

DrWilgy wrote:

Scotty wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Waaaaiiiittttt....

Scotty...

Have you read my posts?

A few.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I want to do GTH reads. I wonder when would be the best time for that. Thoughts, folks?

I don't have much time today (I have 2 shows and lots of work in between) but if you start I'll add when I can. Though I'm not sure how useful my reads are.

Your vote on me for a fabricated red check came abit slow. I already explained that it was. Seems rather opportunistic that you would go for that without reading me.

Slow? I'm reading as I go. You literally posted that red check today, if I recall. I'm sorry I'm not at your speed in catching up.


hey Mp I'll give thoughts on all 3 at some point, but it won't be today, I'm afraid. I have too little time. But I also advise not talking ourselves out of things

Let's do hypotheticals here. If I were bad, aka Prestiginous or whatever his name was, do you foresee him having any Mafia power roles? It's a possibility, but he wasn't around for 2 days to do diddly squat. So if you find me suspicious, fine. Vote for me after voting off people that have been around and active.

But this here- zebra spazzing out like a jack Russell terrier? I don't like it.

Ok this here. What's happening here. Does anyone else find it fucking fishy as fuck? Like a salmon in a burrito.

Zebra, what did I do to you?

DrWilgy wrote:Waaaaiiiittttt....

Scotty...

Have you read my posts?

A few.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I want to do GTH reads. I wonder when would be the best time for that. Thoughts, folks?

I don't have much time today (I have 2 shows and lots of work in between) but if you start I'll add when I can. Though I'm not sure how useful my reads are.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Scotty wrote:Ok, I'm sold on a Wilgy lynch.

I jumped in the game trying to solve a puzzle while missing 50% of the puzzle. I might be tunneling on sig a bit. I do that.

I'll err on the side of falling back on those that have been in the game so far and have more garnered info.

If what you say is true about this matrix, Golden, you are correct that Wilgy cannot be checking anyone if he is good. And I see no reason for a civ to be absolutely sure Soneji is bad and come out with that kind of info.

What convinced you of this? What did you think of my colored response to your observations re: sig? What points in particular did you find worthwhile, if any?

Well I had trepidation coming in from you and Soneji based on my thoughts about you bussing. However, Golden seems like a good chap, and you single handedly started that case on IAWY, so it's a good sign you're good. Golden trusts you, and both of you back up Soneji.

I actually found your responses to my reads on sig fair. Relying on meta is not necessarily bad, and looking at someone through the lens of culture clash is not damning in and of itself.

What really convinced me of Wilgy, as I said, is that I think he is fabricating this red peek thing.

That all makes sense to me, thanks Scotty.

How much of the thread's history is still a question mark to you? Is there anything any of us can help summarize or clarify?

Do you feel comfortable throwing out a reads list yet?

Hah- most of it. I've been through bits and pieces. Sig complaining about only cherry picking quotes isn't nefarious, but in relation to his interactions with and about IAWY, so I'm most definitely not comprehensive with him of anyone else for that matter.

MM is a question mark for me. I feel like he has done helpful problem solving of the matrices and voting tallies, but beyond that I'm unsure about what makes him civ.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:We should hammer sig tomorrow.

We should not hammer sig tomorrow. Anyone who says we should is probably scum. If you want dig dead do it yourself.

My guess is two scum are on dig wagon, so even one single extra town vote would enable the hammer. No one fall for this, please!

Who are the scum? ika and zebra? ika and Scotty? Scotty and zebra? Mind ranking those possibilities?

Would both scum be on the sig lynch, or would they vote elsewhere? Seems risky to me to be unified in that division.

You mentioned recently maybe doing another rainbow list- I wouldn't mind that.

@MP and Golden- what about Soneji screams civ to you? I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't think anyone has enlightened me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Scotty wrote:Ok, I'm sold on a Wilgy lynch.

I jumped in the game trying to solve a puzzle while missing 50% of the puzzle. I might be tunneling on sig a bit. I do that.

I'll err on the side of falling back on those that have been in the game so far and have more garnered info.

If what you say is true about this matrix, Golden, you are correct that Wilgy cannot be checking anyone if he is good. And I see no reason for a civ to be absolutely sure Soneji is bad and come out with that kind of info.

What convinced you of this? What did you think of my colored response to your observations re: sig? What points in particular did you find worthwhile, if any?

Well I had trepidation coming in from you and Soneji based on my thoughts about you bussing. However, Golden seems like a good chap, and you single handedly started that case on IAWY, so it's a good sign you're good. Golden trusts you, and both of you back up Soneji.

I actually found your responses to my reads on sig fair. Relying on meta is not necessarily bad, and looking at someone through the lens of culture clash is not damning in and of itself.

What really convinced me of Wilgy, as I said, is that I think he is fabricating this red peek thing.

2 more til hammer. Since we don't want that, I'd suggest anyone planning on voting Wilgy this phase to say so, but not vote yet. I'm sure there's still more to talk about.

Scotty wrote:UNVOTE

VOTE DRWILGY

Fixed.

Ok, I'm sold on a Wilgy lynch.

I jumped in the game trying to solve a puzzle while missing 50% of the puzzle. I might be tunneling on sig a bit. I do that.

I'll err on the side of falling back on those that have been in the game so far and have more garnered info.

If what you say is true about this matrix, Golden, you are correct that Wilgy cannot be checking anyone if he is good. And I see no reason for a civ to be absolutely sure Soneji is bad and come out with that kind of info.

Looking through sig's ISO in relation to IAWY and wow, are there some gaps. 3 full pages of posts without him even mentioning IAWY. His main town lean starts early, with a mention of IAWY having a "towny entrance" and that's it for a while.

Someone pressures sig on his lack of completeness on ISOs and he divulges more thoughts on him:

I think inaword voted for Sonjie as a poke/RVS and hasn't he been gone since? I really don't see how this is enough to start a CFD day 1

.
Soft defense for lack of posting.

A CFD comes up on Day 2 for him:

I was agaisnt the CFD last game and look what that got me, so I need to think it over a bit. However, as of right now I'm agaisnt it. He doesn't really seem scummy at all. What is the case on him?

After reading him over I'm just seeing a culture clash.

It's like he is actually thinking about it but he's not at all because he's my scummy "at all". Well that's bullsuit, because MP had posted an eloquent ISO containing points besides just a "culture clash" 5 pages before. I know that sig had to have noticed it, because he references MP's points in this post:

sig wrote:

ika wrote:

sig wrote:I was agaisnt the CFD last game and look what that got me, so I need to think it over a bit. However, as of right now I'm agaisnt it. He doesn't really seem scummy at all. What is the case on him?

After reading him over I'm just seeing a culture clash.

hes lurking and sevral who know him say thats scum MO?

and not only that, but rememebr last game as you mentioned it was on scum?

Yes however, it is rare for a CFD to hit scum, and funny you should mention last game sine the CFD in the long run lead to towns defeat. We'd have been better without the CFD that game.

Didn't MP even admit in his case it could be a cultural thing? If so I'm not sure I'm trusting MP right now. I've also got you Ika as a scum lean so I'm really not happy with it atm.

Also he has already said he isn't playing his MU game, just like I'm not playing the same I do on TS all the time. So none of these people has seen his home site play. And I know for a fact I will switch my game play/meta based on the site I'm on.

Way to throw it back on MP there, sig.
This is some hefty defending relating IAWY's playstyle to that of his own. Why defend someone so vehemently on lack of posting? I would think everyone would want more content as opposed to less content.

On his stance of a CFD:

Golden every single time A CFD has happened to me it has hurt town except for last game. Usually it is done by mafia or paranoid town. Also I'd argue the CFD didn't help since everyone was then to focused on the CFD people and tunneled on them avoiding the mafia who weren't for the most part agaisnt the wagon.

He sets it up so that if the CFD happens and IAWY is lynched, he's putting blame on those on the CFD. Like, what?

@MP I think you raise some good points, but I still believe it is cultural and I really really dislike Ika saying ppl who have played with him think he is mafia, when he specifically said he wasn't playing his MU meta. I mean I know I change my meta from here to MU, in fact I'm playing more like I would on my home site right now. So I don't like the meta case agaisnt him, espacilly with Ika pushing it. SO I call bullshit on the meta bad thing since while he is playing different then MU nobody here knows his home site meta. It seems opportunistic to do a meta push when so few people actually know his meta. That is the main reason why I don't like his wagon. However, I'd like to see more content from him I'd say if he doesn't improve we lynch him tomorrow.

So after continued pushing against the meta argument, he mentions as an aside one of MP's original points: lack of content is not looking good for him. As if dog just came to that conclusion on his own.

sig wrote:I've got my eye on Zebra, her switch reminds me of what Epi did in Turf war with the CFD. He didn't oppose it, but he wasn't agaisnt it.

I can't help, but think that I'm once again defending an inactive scum who is being CFD, however I'm not confident he is mafia and hate CFD espacilly onto lurkers who aren't around.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

sig wrote:So how about a counterwagon onto Soneji? Now that he has made a less then inspiring entrance.

Why?

You hate CFD's why should we lynch Soneji at this moment?

Linki: why don't you like them?

MM with the great point of the day!

Guys, I could keep going, but sig looks bad bad bad

Soneji wrote:I am not sure why you would expect me to answer those questions when I found them mostly scummy. Nor would my answers help you, as I distrust everyone and don't see anyone as predominantly civ looking. Marco was the only one who might have applied.

Ok.

Is there a predominant scum-looking person in your eyes besides me?

Looking at MP's posts and... Oh god.

500 posts in this thread

MP's been a rabid sock this game already. Ugh. I ain't readin all that shit.

DrWilgy wrote:Ji-San is Ji-San, y'know the one and only one!

Wassup with the ???

I see you are being Wilgy this game.

are you a doctor?

Scotty wrote:EBWOP: ok, my autocorrect always corrects sig to dog. Every damned time.

Also how many votes did IWAY have before sig made that post? I'll need to try and look it up.

Looking at MM's handy voting tally, it looks like sig Voted for IWAY after Golden, putting him at 3 votes and the next highest, Wilgy, at 2. Soneji and Golden swayed the momentum towards IAWY by that point, so if sig were bussing, it was a pretty surefire resignation of his teammate having a date with the rope.

I'll look more through sig's posts as I go but I must say this is the most compelling thing I see right now.

VOTE SIG

(Sorry about multiple voting everywhere, marmot)

Linki: hi Mp!

EBWOP: ok, my autocorrect always corrects sig to dog. Every damned time.

Also how many votes did IWAY have before sig made that post? I'll need to try and look it up.

Soneji wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Soneji, I'm totally not feeling your sig vote. What is your read on IAWY and MM? Which one of them if any do you think Sig could be teamed with?

I've been reading IAWY as scum and sig as his potential teammate for his defense of him. MM I felt fine with at first when doing a quick ISO before the lynch last phase but hes said a few things that have pinged me, which I pointed out earlier:

Soneji wrote:

Spoiler: show

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Frog wrote:I'll post my scum games:
http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/thr ... Mafia-15er

... my home site's admins have literally been either permabanned and/or deleted my scum games as troll. Gae as fuck. I quit the site (requested ban) as soon as I was recognized the MVP of the site 3 years running for 20+ games.

I've never been scum.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I don't think I've ever seen a scummy marmot. Maybe once, on RYM a while ago.

I was mafia once on RYM.

But in that game (hosted by zebra), everyone was mafia, so that one doesn't count. :P

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Marco wrote:@MetalMarsh89, you may have missed this.

Marco wrote:@MetalMarsh, how highly would you rate your own scum-game? And can you describe one or two of your best scum performances, preferably with links to them?

My scum game is decent I think, or at least was because I've been drawing a lot of civilian/Indy roles lately. I went through a stretch here where I won several games as scum though, and I'll link you a few.


Death Note - We mafia tore the civilians apart in this game, for the most part. But there was a caveat: I was an unlynchable and unnightkillable scum who did not need to be dead for the civilians to win.

Pikmin - This would be my most recent game as scum. I had a strong start to the game, but due to the game falling around Christmas time, my participation dropped, and I was eventually lynched. Overall, I played a relatively good game, and my lynch was not detrimental to our cause, and we won anyway.

Recruitment IV - This was a recruitment game, so it had its own special style to make if different than a normal mafia game. But similar to Death Note, I had an unkillable, unlynchable role again. :P I have a tendency to draw those.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Well by golly, you all better at least lynch Sloonei before you lynch me.

Any particular reason the order matters to you, since you appear to not care that your lynch will follow in this scenario? Considering you think him mafia, would you not say your push on him would then warrant some towncred if he flips the way you think he will?

This post makes sense to me, Soneji. Now to look at sig's defense of IAWY, as you imply.

sig wrote:OOOOOKAY SO I'm not CFDing onto Soneji, I'm agaisnt CFDs and wouldn't mind seeing a IWAY lynch today.

I've reviewed him, golden, and Sloonie/Matt. I'd be fine with a IWAY or a Matt lynch today. I think we would get more information from an IWAY lynch. He had a full 36 hours to make posts, and he was in the hot seat, plus this took place over the entire day and not a last minute push away from another wagon. I still think MM and Ika are mafia.

I'd rather we lynch Mm over IWAY but if there is no chance of that I'm fine and would switch to IWAY. Regardless of how IWAY flips though we should lynch MM tomorrow.

The colored part is a major ping to me.
Sig, this does seem like capitulation to IWAY's lynch, but a strong, definite deflection towards someone else "regardless of how IWAY flips".

It's pretty bad, dog

sig wrote:If your voting make sure you put everything in the large font.

Whoops.

VOTING SONEJI

Soneji wrote:What question of yours have I not answered? You asked me why I voted Golden, which I answered. Your other questions were about how I think you should have entered the thread, which I also addressed. You have yet to actually ask me the context in which I made my votes, despite jumping quickly to the conclusion that I bussed IAWY based on where my vote is shown on the polls.

This whole concept of NO U as I have seen it used this game translates to "if you criticize the flaws in my case against you or anything else while I suspect you, you're scum.". It inherently is a means by which to try and silence the accused.

This is my first post, the one you said you read and "pinged" you:

Scotty wrote:Hello all!
Please excuse my ignorance, but I'm 70+ pages behind, and will probably not catch up. Sorry bout it.

Couple questions, since this is the first time I've ever replaced into a game:
-What kind of player was my predecessor?
-Who is the predominant civ-looking person?
-Who do you not currently trust in this game?

That last one will help me tremendously.

Also I see Marmot posted the polls a few pages back:
Day 1 and 2 Polls

Thanks Marmot!

Ignore the first question, but let's get to the other 2: who do you trust and not trust? Pretend I haven't entered the thread yet when you give suspicions.

It isn't a conclusion that you bussed your teammate. Same with MP. MP's meta, as he implied, could range from wearing the trucker hat to being the cargo to being in the sidecar of the motorcycle next to the bus. I'm not lumping you in his meta.

Your vote for frog, who I understand was a good person, and jumping on the IAWY wagon does not make you bad per se, but I found it fishy. It is true I don't know the context. I figure in a game like this it never hurts to put suspicions early and only worry about final decisions if getting close to the hammer. I'll do my best to be more conclusive as we go because I understand we're getting scarily close to LYLO.

VOTE SONEJI

Soneji wrote:@Scotty: If you had done that it at least would have been a lot more honest. That you happened to post a suspicion on me in a later post is irrelevant to how I respond to your initial post. That you just came into the thread does not give you immunity being pressured, initial impressions are very important.

I find it quite interesting that you don't intend to read the thread but you have read enough to note my placement on MM's rainbow list as well as MP's bussing tactics, which you mention to lend credit to this conclusion you jumped to that I bussed IAWY. A conclusion you base solely on the voting polls, without bothering to check any sort of context.

VOTE SCOTTY

Honesty is what you're getting at? I think I was quite honest with how I came in. I'm not going to catch up, but I will see where the game is. I went 5 pages back and started there. There seems to be ample info in those 5 pages, including voting patterns- of which I base a lot of my suspicions on- and I intend to keep an eye on all votes coming in. It's how I do.

I expect to be pressured, but what strikes me as odd is: you never answered my questions and have just gone straight into NO U mode.

I'm a free agent, Soneji, and I think I'd rather join the Browns for no money than take advice from you right now.

Soneji wrote:I am voting for Golden in main part due to his part in the Frog lynch and the way he interacted with Marco yesterday, treating him as if he knew he was town and not a possible scumbuddy for the potentially scum Sloonei/Matt he was defending. I intend to ISO him later today when I am done with work.

Scotty's entrance pinged me rather hard. It shouldn't matter to a townie replacement how their predecessor looked, they have no way of arguing from that persons perspective anyways to defend their posts. Best they can do is aim to engage with the game as best they can. A replacement will be judged in part by their predeccor but thats just something they have to live with. That he wants to know whose the most trusted townie comes off as wanting to know who to sheep.

Should I have just come in and voted you without introduction? Would that have been the better route? it seems to me like you are coming after me for suspecting you. This whole semantics of trying to garner info for myself and spinning it as bad is just a baseless attempt to outright discredit me before I even get my feet wet.

I'm trying to be a part of the game like marijuana in a pot roast. I know I don't belong yet, but give me a chance.

Voting UNVOTE for now so I can see the poll

sig wrote:Also sorry for multiply posts, but this needs to be said. We have 9 people left, 3 mafia members. Five to hammer. I don't think until closer to EOD we should have more then three votes on someone. In theory this could be lynch or loose.
6/3 mislynch 5/3 night kill+plus maybe vig?
3/3

SO NO HAMMER VOTING TODAY! It would only require 2 civs and then the three mafia members to all join the same wagon and we might loose the game so be very careful with votes.

linki: Lol Ika ignoring me right away.

My big reason for Zebra right now is that she pulled the hammer, plus IWAY flipping mafia made her look bad. She defended him alot and tried to stop his lynch throughout the game. However, even with that I had her as a civ lean until last night. Hammering the lynch is very bad imo and is usually done by either the mafia or a civ power role with knowledge. If I'm correct and we are in the matrix I think we are then she can't be a power role with knowledge, I think she is mafia and hammered the vote to stop it from switching back to MM her teammate.

Interesting. Yeah, that looks the opposite of good.
I saw MM limited the matrices to 3. That's good at least.

MM has been all the game and from a brief scanning, he's brought some helpful posts to the table to organize the game in a way. Zebra def looks more suspicious than him, if MM's major detractions are the appearances of being saved every day. That stuff is just loaded snuff and there's not concrete substance to draw from unless a confirmed baddie (IAWY) has been a part of said saving.

sig wrote:I'm not happy at all that ya'll hammered that vote. Soneji and Zebra are in my sites. Right now as is MM. MM has almost been lynched since day 1 yet every time someone steps in and redirects the wagon somewhere else. Yesterday it was a hammer vote when we had almost a full day left.

Hammering is like lock lynches, it doesn't help the civs unless they've got a red check on someone and SHOULD NEVER BE DONE.


linki:
@Scotty
1. He was inactive two posts.
2. That is a bias question :P but I'll answer anyway right now I'm trusting civ reading Golden, MP, and Wilgy. My wilgy read is mostly gut though.
3. Top suspects for me are MM, Ika, and Zebra.

You (psitt) and Soneji are unknowns however, I dislike how Soneji voted and almost hammered it yesterday.

Golden is a civ read despite his wagoning onto Frog and other stuff, however I might need to look back over him. Marco did clash with Golden a bit, but I'm unsure if mafia Golden would've killed him.

1. Oh great. He was a real Calvin Coolidge, eh? Well I'm more Teddy Roosevelt. People remember me for walking softly and carrying a big stick. But I don't ride horses. No sir.

2. Yea this I know. Is Wilgy being a Wilgy in this game? I feel like he's always a gut read.

3. What's the big negatives with zebra? I saw she pulled down the hammer yesterday, which apparently was not nice. And ika?

Soneji wrote:I am going to:

VOTE GOLDEN

For now.

Could you point yourself to your reasoning that led you to voting Golden? Hooked on Phonics style, preferably.

Marmot, why do you value Soneji so highly on your rainbow list? Has he claimed something that I should be aware of? Because I don't trust him solely on his voting so far.
I read MP's meta on bussing, and his explanation directly coincides with voting first on IAWY the pat 2 days, and it wouldn't surprise me if he were the bus driver himself.

Hello all!
Please excuse my ignorance, but I'm 70+ pages behind, and will probably not catch up. Sorry bout it.

Couple questions, since this is the first time I've ever replaced into a game:
-What kind of player was my predecessor?
-Who is the predominant civ-looking person?
-Who do you not currently trust in this game?

That last one will help me tremendously.

Also I see Marmot posted the polls a few pages back:
Day 1 and 2 Polls

Thanks Marmot!