Mafia Championship Scrimmage [END]

#3051

Marmot!! I tried but it wouldn't let me post emoji's depicting licky licky squirt squirt followed by the word marmot!

#3052

DrWilgy wrote:
Golden wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Golden wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Golden.

Would I lie to you?
Yes
No I wouldn't :P

you are fun to play with Wilgy.

But, you haven't had a red peek on Soneji.
I don't know if Soneji was fully aware of that when I stated it though. How do you read his response?

Which response do you mean specifically? I don't see anything suspicious in my quick look back, but I don't have a clear idea what you saw to be suspicious.

#3053

DrWilgy wrote:Marmot!! I tried but it wouldn't let me post emoji's depicting licky licky squirt squirt followed by the word marmot!

Thas ok adoctor! you can send me a om with pictures if you wish. because i enjoy pms

#3054

if you are doctor
are you sweet gooseberry pie
or a scummuffin

#3055

I'm not IAWY's teammate.

#3056

We should hammer sig tomorrow.

#3057

a2thezebra wrote:We should hammer sig tomorrow.

We should not hammer sig tomorrow. Anyone who says we should is probably scum. If you want dig dead do it yourself.

My guess is two scum are on dig wagon, so even one single extra town vote would enable the hammer. No one fall for this, please!

#3058

What makes you assume that I can do it myself? That's an anti-town mindset, you're tunneling me pretty hard.

#3059

I recommend a sig, Soneji, or Golden lynch. Anything else would be very bad news for town.

#3060

a2thezebra wrote:I recommend a sig, Soneji, or Golden lynch. Anything else would be very bad news for town.

I recommend that listening to you ends the towns game. Even if you are town.

#3061

a2thezebra wrote:What makes you assume that I can do it myself? That's an anti-town mindset, you're tunneling me pretty hard.

Come off it zebra, when you were tunnelling me hard. You've never stopped since. And you're still just as wrong as you were when you started.

Today is the first day that I've had any genuine suspicion of you, and your choice to hammer yesterday and so overtly propose it again today does look like a scum mindset to me. The last hammer was a failure. I feel very sure a sig hammer will be too.

I've not experienced such a closed minded zebra before. Not as any alignment. I've no idea why you are busy defending Wilgy, but it's not because of any tpr, none make sense for that.

#3062

Also

a2thezebra wrote:I recommend a sig, Soneji, or Golden lynch. Anything else would be very bad news for town.

This would literally only be true if you had called out the entire scum team, which you haven't. I guess there is at least a little doubt in my mind on sig and soneji (as opposed to no doubt with MP) but I'd have them both at at least moderate town. I find it difficult to understand how we could see the game so entirely and fundemantally differently from start to finish

There's been lots of fishy things with you, the only strong stands you seem to take in this game are ones that seem fundamentally lacking in basis. Things like not lynching low posters (would make sense if Frog had called out 2 or 3 of your team successfully).

Things like you saying 'don't lynch IAWY or Wilgy'

You've had a style in this game that I am beginning to think is deliberately gaming wifom - "I would never be so overt if they were my teammates" kind of wifom. And I don't blame you if this is true, because it is exactly the kind of wifom that could work very well. I even do have doubts right now that you and wilgy are a team. There is a part of me that thinks you are using wilgy as a crutch to make yourself look good after his flip. But, I feel wilgy is most likely to be bad full stop. Look, even sig seems more loathe to lynch him than you... so even if SIG is bad, I'd be pegging wilgy as his teammate. Wilgy looks to me to be bad no matter what combination of people are bad, and thats the kind of thing I'm looking for.

Your willingness to die instead of MP would make sense if you are mafia, too. Taking MP down behind you, and all that. It would be smart.

A lot of your actions throughout the game, as genuine and town aligned as they seemed to me at the time, all feel like they also fit well in a world where you are scum.

#3063

Ok, I'm sold on a Wilgy lynch.

I jumped in the game trying to solve a puzzle while missing 50% of the puzzle. I might be tunneling on sig a bit. I do that.

I'll err on the side of falling back on those that have been in the game so far and have more garnered info.

If what you say is true about this matrix, Golden, you are correct that Wilgy cannot be checking anyone if he is good. And I see no reason for a civ to be absolutely sure Soneji is bad and come out with that kind of info.

#3064

VOTE DRWILGY

#3065

Scotty wrote:UNVOTE

VOTE DRWILGY

Fixed.

#3066

2 more til hammer. Since we don't want that, I'd suggest anyone planning on voting Wilgy this phase to say so, but not vote yet. I'm sure there's still more to talk about.

#3067

Don't lynch me.

I'm not Scum.

I am beautiful though.

#3068

Procrastination is fun.

#3069

DrWilgy wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:If it makes you feel better bout me, IAWY voted me on several occasions. Wasn't paying too much attention to how long it lasted though.

Surprised that we haven't lynched Ji-San yet.
I'm not sure how that makes me feel about you.

It might make me feel better about you if you please explain your reads. Why is Soneji worth lynching?
RED check

...

#3070

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I've started the Golden/IAWY interaction, but I'm really too tired to finish it tonight. I'll have to continue sometime tomorrow after I work on various things. Someone else can feel free to conduct their own analysis and/or comment on mine as well. That'd be great.

It's bed time. Good night, thread.
Get the fuck back her! IT's drufnk mafia tiem!

WHAT?! I missed drunk mafia time? Dammit!

What about tonight?

#3071

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:For anyone who cares about meta, here's a couple links of sig getting lynched in previous games.

Bullets over Broadway - sig was scum: More flails in these posts. More CAPS. Not unlike what I see in this game thread.

Talking Heads - sig was civ: More civility, more reason. I was seeing this at times today, but sig's recent posts don't match this behavior at all.
Can you look at Turf Wars? He was civilian there as well and consistently got heat.
Yes, I can definitely look at Turf WArs, exepct that all the thereads are hiddne, so I can't look at all of them.

You should be able to view everything.

The main game thread contains all phases of the game.

And if you actually care about the Turf Wars Prison Yard (I assumed you'd only use the main game thread for analysis, but whatever floats your boat), the entire subforum full of threads is available for viewing as well.

#3072

Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Conclusion

I find a2thezebra's behavior with respect to Inawordyes firmly teammate compatible and, furthermore, potentially teammate indicative.

What do you think?
I agree. It's a great analysis.

You didn't come to any different conclusions?

Inevitably it's going to affect my read of zebra on my new rainbow, unless she can adequately explain away all of my concerns.

#3073

Spoiler: show

This post is full of win, MM. Especially the om nom nom eating of rope.

And regarding the last point, yeah, if someone hammers during the course of this weekend, then...

#3074

DrWilgy wrote:Marmot!! I tried but it wouldn't let me post emoji's depicting licky licky squirt squirt followed by the word marmot!

What the heck...

#3075

zebra, if you're town, we really need your town spark. Right now I feel like you're throwing out blanket one-liners and we need people actively trying to solve the game with each other. I don't understand where you're coming from, but if I'm wrong about any or all of my suspicions and you're right about yours, I need you to help me understand your mindset.

I feel like ika and Wilgy aren't doing either of these things either, and although zebra's teammate interaction actually looked worse than Wilgy, I'd rather lynch Wilgy because if we get to endgame with any of these folks, I don't know what we're going to do. It's like what JJJ said about Vompatti in Economics. If any of you all are town, I understand you have your suspicions and you should rightfully pursue them, but please try to explain your thought process to others, because as it stands none of the rest of the players in the game can get a handle on you, which could easily lose the game for us.

#3076

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:We should hammer sig tomorrow.
We should not hammer sig tomorrow. Anyone who says we should is probably scum. If you want dig dead do it yourself.

My guess is two scum are on dig wagon, so even one single extra town vote would enable the hammer. No one fall for this, please!

Who are the scum? ika and zebra? ika and Scotty? Scotty and zebra? Mind ranking those possibilities?

#3077

Golden wrote:Also

a2thezebra wrote:I recommend a sig, Soneji, or Golden lynch. Anything else would be very bad news for town.
This would literally only be true if you had called out the entire scum team, which you haven't. I guess there is at least a little doubt in my mind on sig and soneji (as opposed to no doubt with MP) but I'd have them both at at least moderate town. I find it difficult to understand how we could see the game so entirely and fundemantally differently from start to finish

There's been lots of fishy things with you, the only strong stands you seem to take in this game are ones that seem fundamentally lacking in basis. Things like not lynching low posters (would make sense if Frog had called out 2 or 3 of your team successfully).

Things like you saying 'don't lynch IAWY or Wilgy'

You've had a style in this game that I am beginning to think is deliberately gaming wifom - "I would never be so overt if they were my teammates" kind of wifom. And I don't blame you if this is true, because it is exactly the kind of wifom that could work very well. I even do have doubts right now that you and wilgy are a team. There is a part of me that thinks you are using wilgy as a crutch to make yourself look good after his flip. But, I feel wilgy is most likely to be bad full stop. Look, even sig seems more loathe to lynch him than you... so even if SIG is bad, I'd be pegging wilgy as his teammate. Wilgy looks to me to be bad no matter what combination of people are bad, and thats the kind of thing I'm looking for.

Your willingness to die instead of MP would make sense if you are mafia, too. Taking MP down behind you, and all that. It would be smart.

A lot of your actions throughout the game, as genuine and town aligned as they seemed to me at the time, all feel like they also fit well in a world where you are scum.

I agree that the prospect of a Wilgy flip feels like the IAWY flip at this point; I think he's our best bet at mafia (I feel most confident in him being bad of all the players left) and I think his flip would be informative as to others' alignments.

#3078

Scotty wrote:Ok, I'm sold on a Wilgy lynch.

I jumped in the game trying to solve a puzzle while missing 50% of the puzzle. I might be tunneling on sig a bit. I do that.

I'll err on the side of falling back on those that have been in the game so far and have more garnered info.

If what you say is true about this matrix, Golden, you are correct that Wilgy cannot be checking anyone if he is good. And I see no reason for a civ to be absolutely sure Soneji is bad and come out with that kind of info.

What convinced you of this? What did you think of my colored response to your observations re: sig? What points in particular did you find worthwhile, if any?

#3079

Scotty wrote:2 more til hammer. Since we don't want that, I'd suggest anyone planning on voting Wilgy this phase to say so, but not vote yet. I'm sure there's still more to talk about.

There's always more to analyze and talk about.

#3080

Going to continue my Golden/IAWY interaction analysis now because homework sucks.

#3081

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Scotty wrote:Ok, I'm sold on a Wilgy lynch.

I jumped in the game trying to solve a puzzle while missing 50% of the puzzle. I might be tunneling on sig a bit. I do that.

I'll err on the side of falling back on those that have been in the game so far and have more garnered info.

If what you say is true about this matrix, Golden, you are correct that Wilgy cannot be checking anyone if he is good. And I see no reason for a civ to be absolutely sure Soneji is bad and come out with that kind of info.
What convinced you of this? What did you think of my colored response to your observations re: sig? What points in particular did you find worthwhile, if any?

Well I had trepidation coming in from you and Soneji based on my thoughts about you bussing. However, Golden seems like a good chap, and you single handedly started that case on IAWY, so it's a good sign you're good. Golden trusts you, and both of you back up Soneji.

I actually found your responses to my reads on sig fair. Relying on meta is not necessarily bad, and looking at someone through the lens of culture clash is not damning in and of itself.

What really convinced me of Wilgy, as I said, is that I think he is fabricating this red peek thing.

#3082

Scotty wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Scotty wrote:Ok, I'm sold on a Wilgy lynch.

I jumped in the game trying to solve a puzzle while missing 50% of the puzzle. I might be tunneling on sig a bit. I do that.

I'll err on the side of falling back on those that have been in the game so far and have more garnered info.

If what you say is true about this matrix, Golden, you are correct that Wilgy cannot be checking anyone if he is good. And I see no reason for a civ to be absolutely sure Soneji is bad and come out with that kind of info.
What convinced you of this? What did you think of my colored response to your observations re: sig? What points in particular did you find worthwhile, if any?
Well I had trepidation coming in from you and Soneji based on my thoughts about you bussing. However, Golden seems like a good chap, and you single handedly started that case on IAWY, so it's a good sign you're good. Golden trusts you, and both of you back up Soneji.

I actually found your responses to my reads on sig fair. Relying on meta is not necessarily bad, and looking at someone through the lens of culture clash is not damning in and of itself.

What really convinced me of Wilgy, as I said, is that I think he is fabricating this red peek thing.

That all makes sense to me, thanks Scotty.

How much of the thread's history is still a question mark to you? Is there anything any of us can help summarize or clarify?

Do you feel comfortable throwing out a reads list yet?

#3083

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:We should hammer sig tomorrow.
We should not hammer sig tomorrow. Anyone who says we should is probably scum. If you want dig dead do it yourself.

My guess is two scum are on dig wagon, so even one single extra town vote would enable the hammer. No one fall for this, please!
Who are the scum? ika and zebra? ika and Scotty? Scotty and zebra? Mind ranking those possibilities?

Would both scum be on the sig lynch, or would they vote elsewhere? Seems risky to me to be unified in that division.

You mentioned recently maybe doing another rainbow list- I wouldn't mind that.

@MP and Golden- what about Soneji screams civ to you? I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't think anyone has enlightened me.

#3084

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Scotty wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Scotty wrote:Ok, I'm sold on a Wilgy lynch.

I jumped in the game trying to solve a puzzle while missing 50% of the puzzle. I might be tunneling on sig a bit. I do that.

I'll err on the side of falling back on those that have been in the game so far and have more garnered info.

If what you say is true about this matrix, Golden, you are correct that Wilgy cannot be checking anyone if he is good. And I see no reason for a civ to be absolutely sure Soneji is bad and come out with that kind of info.
What convinced you of this? What did you think of my colored response to your observations re: sig? What points in particular did you find worthwhile, if any?

Well I had trepidation coming in from you and Soneji based on my thoughts about you bussing. However, Golden seems like a good chap, and you single handedly started that case on IAWY, so it's a good sign you're good. Golden trusts you, and both of you back up Soneji.

I actually found your responses to my reads on sig fair. Relying on meta is not necessarily bad, and looking at someone through the lens of culture clash is not damning in and of itself.

What really convinced me of Wilgy, as I said, is that I think he is fabricating this red peek thing.
That all makes sense to me, thanks Scotty.

How much of the thread's history is still a question mark to you? Is there anything any of us can help summarize or clarify?

Do you feel comfortable throwing out a reads list yet?

Hah- most of it. I've been through bits and pieces. Sig complaining about only cherry picking quotes isn't nefarious, but in relation to his interactions with and about IAWY, so I'm most definitely not comprehensive with him of anyone else for that matter.

MM is a question mark for me. I feel like he has done helpful problem solving of the matrices and voting tallies, but beyond that I'm unsure about what makes him civ.

#3085

Scotty wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:We should hammer sig tomorrow.
We should not hammer sig tomorrow. Anyone who says we should is probably scum. If you want dig dead do it yourself.

My guess is two scum are on dig wagon, so even one single extra town vote would enable the hammer. No one fall for this, please!
Who are the scum? ika and zebra? ika and Scotty? Scotty and zebra? Mind ranking those possibilities?
Would both scum be on the sig lynch, or would they vote elsewhere? Seems risky to me to be unified in that division.

You mentioned recently maybe doing another rainbow list- I wouldn't mind that.

@MP and Golden- what about Soneji screams civ to you? I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't think anyone has enlightened me.

Well, we have 3 scum remaining, so it's possible 2 of them could unify, and considering that fact, the scum may be more willing to take risks at this stage due to approaching LYLO if we mislynch today.

I did give a rainbow list earlier in the Day, but I need to give another one after finishing these analyses, so I promise I'll do that before the end of Day 4.

I need to ISO Soneji again. I did near the beginning of Day 2 and he seemed legitimately interested in hunting; he entered the thread aggressive, willing to question, and brought up some good points (IMO). Since then, he's seemed still legit to me, but I will admit that he's one of the few players that has slipped off of my radar and I haven't been analyzing his behavior to near the degree I should be. As such, I need to look at him again, because it's possible I could be overlooking a potential mafia lead with him. So don't take my read of him as golden, but in the course of playing this game I've yet to seen anything particularly alarming from him.

Dizzy suspected him though; I need to look at that again. After these analyses, perhaps.

What do you think of him, succinctly?

#3086

Scotty wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
That all makes sense to me, thanks Scotty.

How much of the thread's history is still a question mark to you? Is there anything any of us can help summarize or clarify?

Do you feel comfortable throwing out a reads list yet?
Hah- most of it. I've been through bits and pieces. Sig complaining about only cherry picking quotes isn't nefarious, but in relation to his interactions with and about IAWY, so I'm most definitely not comprehensive with him of anyone else for that matter.

MM is a question mark for me. I feel like he has done helpful problem solving of the matrices and voting tallies, but beyond that I'm unsure about what makes him civ.

Noted. You have a fresh perspective of the thread, which is awesome so I'm curious to hear more of your thoughts, but I know how difficult it is to replace into a game, especially at this stage and with this level of activity, so if you ever need context for anything, just ask and I'm sure one of us can point you in the right direction of where you should read back.

I will admit that I'm feeling waffly on MM myself. I've had him firmly as a town read once he's started participating, but yeah. I hate this stage of the game, especially with 3 scum remaining; I feel like I can't feel strongly about anyone at this point. I'm likely going to comb through some ISOs once I finish these analyses.

There's just not enough time. I wish I got paid to do this stuff.

#3087

Waaaaiiiittttt....

Scotty...

Have you read my posts?

#3088

Hey, Wilgy. Let's chat!

#3089

I want to do GTH reads. I wonder when would be the best time for that. Thoughts, folks?

#3090

Golden, why do you post so much? :P This freaking analysis is taking too much time.

#3091

Bout to drive to Dallas so now is probably better than never. If you want a list I can do that.

#3092

DrWilgy wrote:Waaaaiiiittttt....

Scotty...

Have you read my posts?

A few.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I want to do GTH reads. I wonder when would be the best time for that. Thoughts, folks?

I don't have much time today (I have 2 shows and lots of work in between) but if you start I'll add when I can. Though I'm not sure how useful my reads are.

#3093

Scotty wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Waaaaiiiittttt....

Scotty...

Have you read my posts?
A few.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I want to do GTH reads. I wonder when would be the best time for that. Thoughts, folks?
I don't have much time today (I have 2 shows and lots of work in between) but if you start I'll add when I can. Though I'm not sure how useful my reads are.

Your vote on me for a fabricated red check came abit slow. I already explained that it was. Seems rather opportunistic that you would go for that without reading me.

#3094

Actually... That makes me feel really bad about you. I guess I'll toss a vote.

VOTE SCOTTY

#3095

I think I redchecked DrWilgy last night!

#3096

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think I redchecked DrWilgy last night!

OH NO! What will I ever do! Golden! MP! Make sure you bus me!

#3097

VOTE SCOTTY

#3098

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I recommend a sig, Soneji, or Golden lynch. Anything else would be very bad news for town.
I recommend that listening to you ends the towns game. Even if you are town.

I hammered Matt because I was listening to my baddie reads for instructions, following their lead. It didn't end well. No more voting off your reads.

#3099

DrWilgy wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think I redchecked DrWilgy last night!
OH NO! What will I ever do! Golden! MP! Make sure you bus me!

I knews it! You are all scum together, and have had breakfast every Sunday together plotting your evil plans to win this scrimmage.

#3100

Zebra, I got nothin but love fer ya, but it always makes me nervous when we vote together.

Linki - Marmot the mafia concede! You got us... The only thing that I still wonder about... Why didn't you join us for pancakes! You were invited!

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