The Syndicate

anyway, gg Nook! Thanks for the game DDL- was enjoyable and I was feeling so good today! Pesky jingle hat man

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 7:01 pm Remember when DrWilgy had a redcheck on me?

Did people actually read me as Jester EOD3?

Yep. You or NAA in my mind

Wilgy made things more solidified in my mind even tho he never actually said he got a red check.

I didn’t think nanook was jester at all. Well done.
If I don’t decide to come out randomly as doctor today y’all probably don’t shift, right?

Because I was planning on killing nook tonite. I’m assuming doctor NAA would have protected him?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:02 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:34 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:21 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I've been trying to out that you're PR all game, and nobody has killed you yet, so you don't have to vote me over it.

Which is funny considering I’m the doctor

Can't decide if this is a jester or mafia claim lol

Neither my bro!

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:21 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I've been trying to out that you're PR all game, and nobody has killed you yet, so you don't have to vote me over it.

Which is funny considering I’m the doctor

Nah I’m down to just kill HK here

[VOTE: HK] aubergine

Is there a world in which HK is jester here?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:52 pm I know this goes without saying, but if Jester makes it to F3, I'm kingmaking Jester.

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:36 am Also, just to add, the argument that me putting in a bunch of effort on Day 3 after a wolf flip is suspicious isn't a good AI argument (which both falcon and hk are doing), because it assumes town wouldn't do such a thing, but town would do such a thing.

Yeah, I don’t see it specifically as scummy.

It’s just difficult to switch viewpoints from the common assumption that you are the elephant with a colorful hat in the room

Ironically, HK’s suggestion that LC wouldn’t vote for a GF falcon is weighing heavily in my determination that falcon may be town

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:25 am The only complaint I have about y'all thinking I'm jester is that you might not listen to me, but sure, keep on pretending.

Ok.

Who do you think is jester after your iso?

Like, it’s reasonable to assume that marmot might NOT be jester, but literally the only other candidate to be jester would be HK imo.

This would mean Wilgy didn’t red check marmot, and marmot is just operating under a guise of VT?? I don’t want to believe this realm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:09 pm I'm not going to analyze NAA right now, he's just town.

That leaves us in a position where I think the likelihood of anyone being mafia in order of most to least likely is as follows.

hollowkatt
Nanook
falcon
Scotty
NAA

Woah. Marmot the Maker of Kings has arrived!


Thorough work. I just wish I could shake the idea that you must be Jester.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:47 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:46 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:29 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:25 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:23 pm Without me, LC doesn't get a wagon.

Scotty considered switching and didn't, if he wanted to he could have tied it without really taking all that much heat for it because it was clear he didn't believe in the kill.

Nanook could bus, but... Not in the mood to consider this.

Marmot just last second joining wagons, could have easily jumped onto Falcon last second because Falcone to wasn't self preserving.

yeah I'm not here like "this clears falcon" but I think it's worth thinking about. I am paranoid about you and nanook tbh but without a smoking gun I know I can't get either of you across today. Regardless tonight I'm isoing and doing some thinking and I'll share my results when I have them

For the record, nothing you post will sway my vote... But I will consider legacy.

Busing the goon pre-cop flip is bad because it risks outing the Jester to town. Which now is likely Marmot due to DrWilgy doc flip.

I'm not posting to change your mind, I'm posting to find a solve. If I die I die nbd but if I die with a proposed solve I feel good about and can articulate reasons for that's a win in my book.

Ok, I just want you to know where I'm at.

Also, to help your solve, I've never bussed a player who I have a bad relationship with in all of my time playing mafia.

This right here is a hollow argument my brother. I’ve never tried that Mexican place caddycorner to my apartment but it always smells so good so it’s not like I’ll never visit.

But your argument is noted.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:46 pm It might be star but im not gonna push it today

k

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:22 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:13 pm

here's a thing to think about as well: Does LC vote on his godfather here? Falcon absolutely could have gone over

lol HK over here bringing up good reasons to earn the chop today over anyone else.

Are we sure you’re not the jester?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:29 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:25 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:23 pm Without me, LC doesn't get a wagon.

Scotty considered switching and didn't, if he wanted to he could have tied it without really taking all that much heat for it because it was clear he didn't believe in the kill.

Nanook could bus, but... Not in the mood to consider this.

Marmot just last second joining wagons, could have easily jumped onto Falcon last second because Falcone to wasn't self preserving.

yeah I'm not here like "this clears falcon" but I think it's worth thinking about. I am paranoid about you and nanook tbh but without a smoking gun I know I can't get either of you across today. Regardless tonight I'm isoing and doing some thinking and I'll share my results when I have them

For the record, nothing you post will sway my vote... But I will consider legacy.

Busing the goon pre-cop flip is bad because it risks outing the Jester to town. Which now is likely Marmot due to DrWilgy doc flip.

The GF has a clear shot to the end regardless of outing the jester. The goon would be an ideal chaos magnet and would probably be served best being the martyr for the team. And if the GF can ingratiate himself as a towncore early on, it’s in the bag.

Bussing LC early is definitely a valid strategy and dismissing it as such makes me bowels tighten

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:08 pm don't maj me early I'm gonna actually try after dinner to write some cases and review peoples postings.

It’s ok, there’s no hammer.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:48 pm My surface level read is that LC didn't get bussed. Which leaves two options for today, one slightly more likely due to vote logic.

About that other one:
What say you of falcon’s voting yesterday?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:30 pm Vote logic indicates Hollowkat mafia.

Hollowkat floating NAA bus sounds like desperation.

Does it? Voting exactly like LC seems too black and white.

I think HK makes a valid point tho. For a goon to go out, and the way he did, raises a question of bussing.

And since we know you weren’t the cop, and probably aren’t the jester. Leaves a lot of doubt over what you are. Ya dig?

Nook I had on a content read as town and then putting the vote on LC yesterday sealed the cake. I don’t think nook is bad

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 4:38 pm 6 alive, one doctor, one jester, one godfather, 3 vt


did NAA bus

Maybe.

Wouldn’t be a bad idea to bus the goon, get that cred. Obviously inoptimal D1, which is when he had that spat with LC. People don’t always listen to NAA- it just so happens we got LC to go over yesterday, but it could have taken a whole nother day and he’d still be looking good or at least jestery if LC hadn’t been lynched yet

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:11 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:06 pm Well well well.

That’s a turn of events.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:42 pm We vote Marmot.

This was Wilgy’s first post of D2, and he never changed his vote. Seems like a soft red check.

Marmot is either jester or LC’s partner. I’m leaning jester right now

LC was the mafia goon which means that marmot, if he checked red, must be the jester.

Mm yeah that’s right

LC’s flip had me ready to come into the day today and drop lick HK into oblivion but on further thought he and LC banding up makes me really think he’s more in just terrible read VT game territory. It’s too obvious to me. Occam’s razor, sure, but I cut myself recently on a knife and I shouldn’t talk about razors.

Falcon: When the thread was dead sitting on LC, falcon decided to vote nook and “spice it up”. While he did ultimately go back to LC, he put it back on Marmot once LC comfortably was in the lead. It would be a tough call to say he was expecting others to follow or whatever, but regardless I don’t think that’s a great look.

NAA is just a big fat liar.

Now whether that’s a calculated act to try and bait a kill as VT is another question

Well well well.

That’s a turn of events.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:42 pm We vote Marmot.

This was Wilgy’s first post of D2, and he never changed his vote. Seems like a soft red check.

Marmot is either jester or LC’s partner. I’m leaning jester right now

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:29 pm Oh and btw, I'm Jester. I cc NAA.

lol

Ok gotta go. Glgl

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:10 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:09 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:07 pm My only qualm with this game is that I'm worried we're going to end up in a kingmaker situation, because the gamestate, barring a PR solve, is likely to lead to a town loss. I guess we'll see how it plays out, but I hate kingmaker situations.

Are you speaking as the kingmaker or

I am the king, regardless who is making the king, my team should win.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:01 pm Ok, now that the game has officially started, I hard claim Jester, never rescinding.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:09 pm I don't think that killing town LC is a good outcome.

But I'm deferring to NAA because he has all the confidence I desire to have right now.

The voting patterns today will be telling imo

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:07 pm My only qualm with this game is that I'm worried we're going to end up in a kingmaker situation, because the gamestate, barring a PR solve, is likely to lead to a town loss. I guess we'll see how it plays out, but I hate kingmaker situations.

Are you speaking as the kingmaker or

I just have a manic mood. I think if LC isn’t jester we’re in a good spot regardless of if he is town or mafia.

If he’s mafia, I think we’re close to a game solve
If he’s town, hitting mafia tomorrow should be a breeze

We ain’t tying. I read the rules wrong. Carry on.

Yeah yeah yeah ok back to [VOTE: LC] aubergine

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:03 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:02 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:59 pm I’ve just had the greatest idea known to man/marmotkind! Let’s leave the vote tied on who we think is most likely to be jester/scum. The tie would always err on the side that isn’t jester.

Like…why did we not do that yesterday?
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

That's not how it works. Ties are just randed.

Yeah, I had to double back and read it, it only matters at 4

Ah shit. That’s a huge hole.

Well shit

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:00 pm Scotty, I appreciate that you're trying to get yeeted here, but it's not happening.

I appreciate how you don’t care about losing on Day 2, but I’m trying to bring some logic to the fold.

But like someone poke holes in my argument. It’s a win win

I think marmot and LC are most likely to be jester here fwiw

I’ve just had the greatest idea known to man/marmotkind! Let’s leave the vote tied on who we think is most likely to be jester/scum. The tie would always err on the side that isn’t jester.

Like…why did we not do that yesterday?
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:55 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:54 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Y’all I’m getting antsy

Stop that.

I am a strong independent dog and I can do what I want

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:54 pm We need a PR win, so basically, Lime Coke is a safe kill here.

Your confidence that he is never jester here don’t measure up to my paranoia

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Y’all I’m getting antsy

What do you think of LC, HK?

I think Marmot got run over by a car or something trying to cross back to his mountainburrow

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:17 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:14 pm I…think I do too..

However.

I don’t like how nonchalant LC is being. It’s not like he’s putting up a huge fight for his lynch here.

*Shrug* that's his scum meta.

Do you know his jester meta?

That’s what I’m concerned about here

No one is really putting up a fight to save him either. He’s been the lead wagon for like 24 hours, and so far…not a huge amount of resistance

I…think I do too..

However.

I don’t like how nonchalant LC is being. It’s not like he’s putting up a huge fight for his lynch here.

Also there’s no world in which jester NAA makes this move. By calling someone green, he would be betting on that person to flip red, so he could be lynched the next day.

By doing a green check, we ain’t lynching NAA and he is a NK target

I also don’t see him doing this as scum. No need to yet.

I’m ready to townclear him

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 8:11 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 8:08 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 7:55 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 7:41 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 7:34 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:07 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 4:51 pm I agree re:Marmot Jester.

That he *is* jester? Why?

If you think I'm the Jester, you won't kill me.

Agree, Nanook town, I have a green check on him.

might want to tell your green check you have a green check on him b/c he's voting for you

Nobody is voting me.

today I realized I am bad at reading like holy fuck

It happens.

You are a cat, after all

er, *kat