Jestermania [END]

[hollowkatt]

don't maj me early I'm gonna actually try after dinner to write some cases and review peoples postings.

It’s ok, there’s no hammer.

oh cool ok

[NotAnAxehole]

My surface level read is that LC didn't get bussed. Which leaves two options for today, one slightly more likely due to vote logic.

About that other one:
What say you of falcon’s voting yesterday?

I say kill all non-LC voters (falcon and Hallowkatt) and if by chance they're both town and didn't vote the outed mafia player, *shrug*.

[NotAnAxehole]

Level 1 plays are often right, don't overthink it. There as was no reason to bus LC, if town allowed an LC bus with that vote logic, it's on them.

[hollowkatt]

See I'm of the opinion that dumpstering the goon post D1 is a winning play for the godfather

[hollowkatt]

here's a thing to think about as well: Does LC vote on his godfather here? Falcon absolutely could have gone over

[NotAnAxehole]

Without me, LC doesn't get a wagon.

Scotty considered switching and didn't, if he wanted to he could have tied it without really taking all that much heat for it because it was clear he didn't believe in the kill.

Nanook could bus, but... Not in the mood to consider this.

Marmot just last second joining wagons, could have easily jumped onto Falcon last second because Falcone to wasn't self preserving.

[NotAnAxehole]

I gave Nanook a clear path to railroad Hallowkatt yesterday, and he didn't take it.

[hollowkatt]

Without me, LC doesn't get a wagon.

Scotty considered switching and didn't, if he wanted to he could have tied it without really taking all that much heat for it because it was clear he didn't believe in the kill.

Nanook could bus, but... Not in the mood to consider this.

Marmot just last second joining wagons, could have easily jumped onto Falcon last second because Falcone to wasn't self preserving.

yeah I'm not here like "this clears falcon" but I think it's worth thinking about. I am paranoid about you and nanook tbh but without a smoking gun I know I can't get either of you across today. Regardless tonight I'm isoing and doing some thinking and I'll share my results when I have them

[NotAnAxehole]

Without me, LC doesn't get a wagon.

Scotty considered switching and didn't, if he wanted to he could have tied it without really taking all that much heat for it because it was clear he didn't believe in the kill.

Nanook could bus, but... Not in the mood to consider this.

Marmot just last second joining wagons, could have easily jumped onto Falcon last second because Falcone to wasn't self preserving.

yeah I'm not here like "this clears falcon" but I think it's worth thinking about. I am paranoid about you and nanook tbh but without a smoking gun I know I can't get either of you across today. Regardless tonight I'm isoing and doing some thinking and I'll share my results when I have them

For the record, nothing you post will sway my vote... But I will consider legacy.

Busing the goon pre-cop flip is bad because it risks outing the Jester to town. Which now is likely Marmot due to DrWilgy doc flip.

[hollowkatt]

Without me, LC doesn't get a wagon.

Scotty considered switching and didn't, if he wanted to he could have tied it without really taking all that much heat for it because it was clear he didn't believe in the kill.

Nanook could bus, but... Not in the mood to consider this.

Marmot just last second joining wagons, could have easily jumped onto Falcon last second because Falcone to wasn't self preserving.

yeah I'm not here like "this clears falcon" but I think it's worth thinking about. I am paranoid about you and nanook tbh but without a smoking gun I know I can't get either of you across today. Regardless tonight I'm isoing and doing some thinking and I'll share my results when I have them

For the record, nothing you post will sway my vote... But I will consider legacy.

Busing the goon pre-cop flip is bad because it risks outing the Jester to town. Which now is likely Marmot due to DrWilgy doc flip.

I'm not posting to change your mind, I'm posting to find a solve. If I die I die nbd but if I die with a proposed solve I feel good about and can articulate reasons for that's a win in my book.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It might be star but im not gonna push it today

[NotAnAxehole]

Without me, LC doesn't get a wagon.

Scotty considered switching and didn't, if he wanted to he could have tied it without really taking all that much heat for it because it was clear he didn't believe in the kill.

Nanook could bus, but... Not in the mood to consider this.

Marmot just last second joining wagons, could have easily jumped onto Falcon last second because Falcone to wasn't self preserving.

yeah I'm not here like "this clears falcon" but I think it's worth thinking about. I am paranoid about you and nanook tbh but without a smoking gun I know I can't get either of you across today. Regardless tonight I'm isoing and doing some thinking and I'll share my results when I have them

For the record, nothing you post will sway my vote... But I will consider legacy.

Busing the goon pre-cop flip is bad because it risks outing the Jester to town. Which now is likely Marmot due to DrWilgy doc flip.

I'm not posting to change your mind, I'm posting to find a solve. If I die I die nbd but if I die with a proposed solve I feel good about and can articulate reasons for that's a win in my book.

Ok, I just want you to know where I'm at.

Also, to help your solve, I've never bussed a player who I have a bad relationship with in all of my time playing mafia.

[NotAnAxehole]

It might be star but im not gonna push it today

Without me, LC doesn't get a wagon.

Scotty considered switching and didn't, if he wanted to he could have tied it without really taking all that much heat for it because it was clear he didn't believe in the kill.

Nanook could bus, but... Not in the mood to consider this.

Marmot just last second joining wagons, could have easily jumped onto Falcon last second because Falcone to wasn't self preserving.

yeah I'm not here like "this clears falcon" but I think it's worth thinking about. I am paranoid about you and nanook tbh but without a smoking gun I know I can't get either of you across today. Regardless tonight I'm isoing and doing some thinking and I'll share my results when I have them

For the record, nothing you post will sway my vote... But I will consider legacy.

Busing the goon pre-cop flip is bad because it risks outing the Jester to town. Which now is likely Marmot due to DrWilgy doc flip.

I'm not posting to change your mind, I'm posting to find a solve. If I die I die nbd but if I die with a proposed solve I feel good about and can articulate reasons for that's a win in my book.

Ok, I just want you to know where I'm at.

Also, to help your solve, I've never bussed a player who I have a bad relationship with in all of my time playing mafia.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: nook] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

I'm still town y'all

[Marmot]

Oh nice, Wilgy thinks I'm the Jester, I'm ok with this outcome.

[Marmot]

Analysis of hollowkatt's interactions with Lime Coke

Spoiler: show

carry me town Coke daddy

Funny story that the last MafiaCafe game that happened was a jester setup. One mafia got flipped and I towncleared someone based off the flipped mafia member's spew. Turned out it was the jester and I made them unyeetable based on that and they got frustrated by it.

If I manage to townclear the jester again after a wolf flip, there will be more laughter to come.

I'm so god danm mad about that game!
I was playing the perfect chaos D1, managed to guess right on a wolf, lead their wagon for a while, said kill them tomorrow, then the fucking wolves night killed me. MY BODY WAS READY FOR THAT ROLE AND I WAS DENIED.

Funny story that the last MafiaCafe game that happened was a jester setup. One mafia got flipped and I towncleared someone based off the flipped mafia member's spew. Turned out it was the jester and I made them unyeetable based on that and they got frustrated by it.

If I manage to townclear the jester again after a wolf flip, there will be more laughter to come.

I'm so god danm mad about that game!
I was playing the perfect chaos D1, managed to guess right on a wolf, lead their wagon for a while, said kill them tomorrow, then the fucking wolves night killed me. MY BODY WAS READY FOR THAT ROLE AND I WAS DENIED.

Your legacy ended up flipping a wolf too!

I know! That Damn Bruno. I never should have talked about Bruno

These interactions are hk's first with Lime Coke. Kinda basic, but given the relevance of the setup of the game they're talking about, I'm not putting much stock in it.

This reads like NAA believes in what they are saying.

Oh no...that's not something you wanna hear.

why's that

Many town games are a loss whenever NAA is both town and confident in a read.

oh, I thought you were going to say something like "NAA is always a wolf when you feel that way"

I don't like what LC said about NAA in this interaction. I think the interaction with hk is null though.

@hollowkatt

What's the read on Dolby currently from you?

anti-town

if he's a wolf he's relying on jester paranoia to live. if he's the jester he's counting on me wolf reading his lack of anything townie to get chopped.

I guess you answered my question already, whoops.

to be more specific though he's focused on the mechanics without engaging really in any kind of alignment speculation or hunting. he hasn't, as far as I've seen, even really found some people to call town and talk about why they're town. He exists in a way that town dolby almost never exists.

Ok, I kinda like this post from hk. In response LC saying his question, hk posted again and clarified his thoughts, which I don't think is w/w here.

LP was incredibly suspect of me, dolby, falcon. One of those is dead town

What if Maf took out LP to frame her suspects!

Doesn't really look good when you say it yourself.

All falcon did was say the part I didn't say out loud, out loud.

null

I'm assuming wolves think/thought LP would be a safe kill b/c doctor would be on nanook b/c wolves dunno if he's fake claiming cop or not.
Would nanook be the kind of wolf to fake claim cop and then drop a naked vote on someone at sod without posting in the thread in an attempt to paint his target as a check?

Nook is currently voting HK without explanation.

Spicy, I like it

comments on my thoughts?

I agree- I think the kill looks like a doc dodge. I don’t remember anyone actively townreading Lp.

What I don’t like is falcon suggesting it was to frame anyone

My thoughts immediately were "I'm being framed"

I think there's a way that you're going about it, and Falcon's going about it that's different though.

You haven't shown any urgency or any concern about it until now when it's brought up.

Falcon just brought it up pretty quickly.

true

There's a slight concern to me that you're a wolf and you just know how to play it off, since I've been snowed by you before in a few games.

But going off the basis of "His posting doesn't concern me, he must be a wolf" is an awful idea to me.

also true
otoh if you're familiar enough with my wolf game to have legit concerns you should also be familiar enough with it to have an idea of how to force me to tell my alignment

hk explaining how he can be wolfread to LC. I dunno, to me this looks like LC has hk previously pocketed, and now on his heels slightly, as hk is trying to explain how he is townreadable in a slightly defensive manner.

Also lol how does losing your 2 wolf reads spew you jester?

i said it spews me not jester

What spews you jester?

i only have one jester game ever and that game I played D1 (the only day I lived) nothing like I played D1 here

This answer doesn't do much for me, null.

I think Lime Coke is either town or jester, not a wolf.

it's like I make posts in response to questions and then they're not read

I don't think he's Jester and I don't agree with your town or Jester - I have no idea how you could even arrive at that conclusion.

threadstate basically.
like nobody really cares about whether or not LC is a wolf. Small handful have made "LC is a wolf" statements but no pushes, just statements. If LC is mafia then mafia have basically scooped, I don't think they can win if they lose one member today.
There's no competing wagon movements, literally nobody cares.

even LC doesn't care, which is like either super town or jester, and like I said, either way we should not kill him.

hk commits to a read. It doesn't look great for him tbh, as in he is actually telling us that mafia lose if one of their teammates dies Day 2, while also telling us not to kill LC.

There are some reasonable moments earlier for hk, but I do think that his eventual defense of LC is teammate compatible. Also, he and LC only discussed reads of other players once in the game, and that was Dolby on Day 1.


I haven't read through LC's posts yet, but I did a quick skim. Of his 48 posts, 16 of them either are responses to hk posts, or talking about hk. That is a lot in a 10 player game.

[Marmot]

Analysis of falcon's interactions with Lime Coke

Spoiler: show

LP's entrance seems most stilted but that doesn't mean anything at this point

naa unironically not a jester imo, idk skimming P#17 seems to on the nose for jester kinda

marmot following HK's 24 with 25, kinda scummy but maybe in a jestery way

After mafia goon dies, cop should act like a named towny unless the jester is being yeeted

After The Godfather dies, idk

After the jester dies, cop should act like a cop

So far Dolby's posting seem like the towniest in regard to getting right into snap reads at the start of the game. I agree with HK's sentiment that it feels like town enthusiasm.

Plus the PR talk feels like it has some high town intentions.

Am I used to seeing Dolby get right into snap reads off the hop?


No, I am not. I find it uncharacteristic

falcon opted to make slight shade against Dolby after LC called him town. I don't even know if I call this shade. Maybe it's just an observation. Anywho, unsolicited answer to LC question, but it doesn't say much, so null read for now.

I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.

Depends on how people play as 3P. I've seen players try to townside or just fuck around and be a circus act.
Also feels like it could suck for town, because like you're pointing out now, it's a distraction as well. The jester gets the attention, mafia could choose to either hide in the background or partake to blend in.
Literally just a chaotic role.

I feel like one of you is Maf, tho I'm unsure who atm

falcon calls one of LP and LC mafia. He was right. I don't know if a wolf would call out their teammate this early into Day 1.

I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.

Depends on how people play as 3P. I've seen players try to townside or just fuck around and be a circus act.
Also feels like it could suck for town, because like you're pointing out now, it's a distraction as well. The jester gets the attention, mafia could choose to either hide in the background or partake to blend in.
Literally just a chaotic role.

I feel like one of you is Maf, tho I'm unsure who atm

What makes you think this?

The way you both interact...it just feels...off?



Anyways,

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

He's prolly Godfather

But then falcon votes Scotty, so he loses town points from previous post.

This is like the second Day 1 in a row where nothing has happened.

Tbf, this game is a 10player game with a post cap of 60. We're 1/3 of the way as a thread to that collective cap

The highest is 38 which is only about half? Like I get not hyper posting but I feel like there's just nothing happening at all.

Why are games so dead on this site?

Some are playing more than others, it's the nature of the beast.



Do you feel you're contributing a lot to this game? Talk to me about your solve (including your feelings on my slot)




Plz & thx

I contributed a small amount this game at the start but it's been so slow for the second game in a row that I just disengaged myself with the game in hopes that a decent amount of posts pop up and I can get confident enough reads on people. It's been disappointing since.

In terms of my solve, HK, Scotty, Dolby, and LP have been my townleans at the start and most of that is just vibes.

And in terms of you I'm finding you to be scummy based on just how you're viewing aspects of the game and how you're answering questions directed to you.

And here I thought you were learning how to read me a la' Veggie Wars.



I feel like you'd try & pocket my slot as Town if you were Maf tho, so I'm town leaning you

I don't love falcon's response to TR LC here, but LC choosing falcon as his solo scumread after listing off a bunch of townreads I think looks good for falcon.

LP was incredibly suspect of me, dolby, falcon. One of those is dead town

What if Maf took out LP to frame her suspects!

Doesn't really look good when you say it yourself.

Yeah, but Town shouldn't care about "looking good"



That's what Maf worry about

More shade thrown at each other.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

hey...

'Sup?

You're not allowed to do that.

Oh? I must've misread the rules...



Then again, you know what they say...rules are made to be broken

falcon votes for LC. I think that LC's resposne is kinda weak and an attempt to joke around, and makes falcon look somewhat townie.

So, I do like a bit of what happened here. LC offered a suspicion of falcon later on Day 1, and they sort of eventually started suspecting each other on Day 2, including falcon voting for LC. I'd lean towards slightly not teammate-compatable, though I would feel more strongly about it if falcon had left his vote on at EOD instead of moving it.

But falcon did vote for me, his Jester read, which I don't think mafia would do in that scenario. I think town is more likely to have trouble differentiating between a wolf and a jester, and falcon voting for me in that situation suggests that he was struggling with that.

[Marmot]

Analysis of Nannok's interactions with Lime Coke

Spoiler: show

This reads like NAA believes in what they are saying.

Oh no...that's not something you wanna hear.

why's that

Many town games are a loss whenever NAA is both town and confident in a read.

Cmon dude, not cool

Also uh

You can see the irony here yeah?

Yeah, it's only one post, and it's not even game-related content. This was also LC's only interaction with Nanook, a response to this.

Anyway, Nanook is awarded a big fat null.

[Marmot]

Analysis of Scotty's interactions with Lime Coke

spoiler]

I think falcon is a good chance at being jester with how he’s approached the game thus far

LC why you there

This is Scotty's only interaction with LC Day 1, asking him why he's voting for falcon. It leaves a bit to be desired, but I do think that mafia would at least try to interact more than this, so it might not be anything to worry about, especially given Scotty was busy chatting with hk, LP, and falcon.

Lime Coke obvi mafia.

I was thinking about LC a lot last night and I can’t actually remember anything he said yesterday, so I went back and looked. He seemed to town read more than suspect, and then his exchange with you was like a maraca during the Moonlight Sonata. Like it was half-formed and stilted, and he didn’t really mean what he was saying.

NAA is sure LC is mafia, but I’m more in the camp that he’s up there with Marmot as a top suspect for jester. My perception is similar in that I don’t think he really seems to care about who is lynched,
And that might be intentional.

Day 2, Scotty does offer a long explanation about why he suspects LC, but as jester not mafia. I find myself believing Scotty believe what he's saying here, even though it's exactly how mafia would want to play.

[VOTE: LC] aubergine

Lime Coke obvi mafia.

I was thinking about LC a lot last night and I can’t actually remember anything he said yesterday, so I went back and looked. He seemed to town read more than suspect, and then his exchange with you was like a maraca during the Moonlight Sonata. Like it was half-formed and stilted, and he didn’t really mean what he was saying.

NAA is sure LC is mafia, but I’m more in the camp that he’s up there with Marmot as a top suspect for jester. My perception is similar in that I don’t think he really seems to care about who is lynched,
And that might be intentional.

I mean...my exchange with NAA isn't really anything to look at, since I've literally done it every game and stand by my statements.

Sheeping NAA isn't a good option, case and point his read on me.

Is there anything based on my content that you want to ask about?

That’s the thing- I just get the impression that you were just cheesing around in the breeze at the end of the day. Did you even end your vote on anyone?

Ok but then Scotty does double down and vote for LC here. Good look imo.

I…think I do too..

However.

I don’t like how nonchalant LC is being. It’s not like he’s putting up a huge fight for his lynch here.

Scotty backs off of his conviction.

I think marmot and LC are most likely to be jester here fwiw

Yeah yeah yeah ok back to [VOTE: LC] aubergine

I just have a manic mood. I think if LC isn’t jester we’re in a good spot regardless of if he is town or mafia.

If he’s mafia, I think we’re close to a game solve
If he’s town, hitting mafia tomorrow should be a breeze

Towards EOD, Scotty definitely questions his own earlier conviction more, and it does end with him voting for LC, which earns him mad town points.

Also, I think he's right, we're close to a gamesolve.[/spoiler]


I think Scotty is the towniest of the players I've looked at thus far (which is everyone except for NAA). Yes he did interact with LC Day 1 only 1 time, but I think that's a good look in a 2-person mafia team scenario, in that I believe the team would at least force more interaction. And on Day 2, he came around pretty quickly on pushing LC.

[Marmot]

Analysis of Scotty's interactions with Lime Coke

Spoiler: show

I think falcon is a good chance at being jester with how he’s approached the game thus far

LC why you there

This is Scotty's only interaction with LC Day 1, asking him why he's voting for falcon. It leaves a bit to be desired, but I do think that mafia would at least try to interact more than this, so it might not be anything to worry about, especially given Scotty was busy chatting with hk, LP, and falcon.

Lime Coke obvi mafia.

I was thinking about LC a lot last night and I can’t actually remember anything he said yesterday, so I went back and looked. He seemed to town read more than suspect, and then his exchange with you was like a maraca during the Moonlight Sonata. Like it was half-formed and stilted, and he didn’t really mean what he was saying.

NAA is sure LC is mafia, but I’m more in the camp that he’s up there with Marmot as a top suspect for jester. My perception is similar in that I don’t think he really seems to care about who is lynched,
And that might be intentional.

Day 2, Scotty does offer a long explanation about why he suspects LC, but as jester not mafia. I find myself believing Scotty believe what he's saying here, even though it's exactly how mafia would want to play.

[VOTE: LC] aubergine

Lime Coke obvi mafia.

I was thinking about LC a lot last night and I can’t actually remember anything he said yesterday, so I went back and looked. He seemed to town read more than suspect, and then his exchange with you was like a maraca during the Moonlight Sonata. Like it was half-formed and stilted, and he didn’t really mean what he was saying.

NAA is sure LC is mafia, but I’m more in the camp that he’s up there with Marmot as a top suspect for jester. My perception is similar in that I don’t think he really seems to care about who is lynched,
And that might be intentional.

I mean...my exchange with NAA isn't really anything to look at, since I've literally done it every game and stand by my statements.

Sheeping NAA isn't a good option, case and point his read on me.

Is there anything based on my content that you want to ask about?

That’s the thing- I just get the impression that you were just cheesing around in the breeze at the end of the day. Did you even end your vote on anyone?

Ok but then Scotty does double down and vote for LC here. Good look imo.

I…think I do too..

However.

I don’t like how nonchalant LC is being. It’s not like he’s putting up a huge fight for his lynch here.

Scotty backs off of his conviction.

I think marmot and LC are most likely to be jester here fwiw

Yeah yeah yeah ok back to [VOTE: LC] aubergine

I just have a manic mood. I think if LC isn’t jester we’re in a good spot regardless of if he is town or mafia.

If he’s mafia, I think we’re close to a game solve
If he’s town, hitting mafia tomorrow should be a breeze

Towards EOD, Scotty definitely questions his own earlier conviction more, and it does end with him voting for LC, which earns him mad town points.

Also, I think he's right, we're close to a gamesolve.

I think Scotty is the towniest of the players I've looked at thus far (which is everyone except for NAA). Yes he did interact with LC Day 1 only 1 time, but I think that's a good look in a 2-person mafia team scenario, in that I believe the team would at least force more interaction. And on Day 2, he came around pretty quickly on pushing LC.


PS: wasting a post to correct the spoiler tag.

[Marmot]

I'm not going to analyze NAA right now, he's just town.

That leaves us in a position where I think the likelihood of anyone being mafia in order of most to least likely is as follows.

hollowkatt
Nanook
falcon
Scotty
NAA

[Marmot]

Looking at the poll, it appears NAA and Nanook agree with me.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: hk] aubergine

[Marmot]

I also get the feeling that HK and LC actually believed I was jester, which is why they (or at least LC) didn't vote me to save LC, but rather had a falcon wagon going.

[Marmot]

Anyway, that is my solve. I firmly believe that hk is the final wolf, and I don't really care to think about who the Jester is unless that theory is proven incorrect.

[Marmot]

I wonder if I can postcap before anyone else even posts. This one will make it 12 in a row.

[Marmot]

Ok I'm not actually going to do that because I have nothing to say for 75 more posts.

Bye for now.

[Marmot]

~65 more posts.

[hollowkatt]

[VOTE: marmot] auberginemarmot deciding to give a damn about the game now vs any time in the last 2 game days is interesting. Lets do this:

[hollowkatt]

straight up I think we chop everyone who hasn't claimed jester.

I'm a jester.

LP's entrance seems most stilted but that doesn't mean anything at this point

naa unironically not a jester imo, idk skimming P#17 seems to on the nose for jester kinda

marmot following HK's 24 with 25, kinda scummy but maybe in a jestery way

[hollowkatt]

We vote Marmot.

I don't think wigly cops marmot red and then says we have to chop him. otoh wigly did end the day on LC...

[hollowkatt]

This reads like NAA believes in what they are saying.

Oh no...that's not something you wanna hear.

why's that

Many town games are a loss whenever NAA is both town and confident in a read.

NAA spewed town. I know NAA would say "duh HK you absolute brussels sprout" but also I don't think LC says this about a partner.

[hollowkatt]

LP was incredibly suspect of me, dolby, falcon. One of those is dead town

What if Maf took out LP to frame her suspects!

Doesn't really look good when you say it yourself.

Even more so though I think this spews Falcon town. NAA was pushing LC whereas Falcon was definitely NOT pushing LC, so to say this about a partner looks really bad, what if Falcon is GF and the wagons head that way instead of LC during D2? You'd have dead GF and the cop becomes slightly more powerful (I think, not quite sure but it feels right to say).

Regardless I think this is highly indicative that Falcon is town.

[hollowkatt]

Kinda thinking like this: NAA/Falcon solid town
Marmot = GF

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: marmot] auberginemarmot deciding to give a damn about the game now vs any time in the last 2 game days is interesting. Lets do this:

It's incredibly sus, and makes me think even more that he's Jester

Like he's not aware that getting involved now is gonna look scummy

[hollowkatt]

[VOTE: marmot] auberginemarmot deciding to give a damn about the game now vs any time in the last 2 game days is interesting. Lets do this:

It's incredibly sus, and makes me think even more that he's Jester

Like he's not aware that getting involved now is gonna look scummy

I think it's wrapped around to "twtbj"

[Marmot]

You can't really make an argument that I am the red peek that Wilgy found and also Godfather. Those two ideas are contradictory.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: marmot] auberginemarmot deciding to give a damn about the game now vs any time in the last 2 game days is interesting. Lets do this:

It's incredibly sus, and makes me think even more that he's Jester

Like he's not aware that getting involved now is gonna look scummy

What do you think town!me would do?

[Scotty]

Without me, LC doesn't get a wagon.

Scotty considered switching and didn't, if he wanted to he could have tied it without really taking all that much heat for it because it was clear he didn't believe in the kill.

Nanook could bus, but... Not in the mood to consider this.

Marmot just last second joining wagons, could have easily jumped onto Falcon last second because Falcone to wasn't self preserving.

yeah I'm not here like "this clears falcon" but I think it's worth thinking about. I am paranoid about you and nanook tbh but without a smoking gun I know I can't get either of you across today. Regardless tonight I'm isoing and doing some thinking and I'll share my results when I have them

For the record, nothing you post will sway my vote... But I will consider legacy.

Busing the goon pre-cop flip is bad because it risks outing the Jester to town. Which now is likely Marmot due to DrWilgy doc flip.

The GF has a clear shot to the end regardless of outing the jester. The goon would be an ideal chaos magnet and would probably be served best being the martyr for the team. And if the GF can ingratiate himself as a towncore early on, it’s in the bag.

Bussing LC early is definitely a valid strategy and dismissing it as such makes me bowels tighten

[Scotty]

here's a thing to think about as well: Does LC vote on his godfather here? Falcon absolutely could have gone over

lol HK over here bringing up good reasons to earn the chop today over anyone else.

Are we sure you’re not the jester?

[Scotty]

It might be star but im not gonna push it today

k

[Scotty]

Without me, LC doesn't get a wagon.

Scotty considered switching and didn't, if he wanted to he could have tied it without really taking all that much heat for it because it was clear he didn't believe in the kill.

Nanook could bus, but... Not in the mood to consider this.

Marmot just last second joining wagons, could have easily jumped onto Falcon last second because Falcone to wasn't self preserving.

yeah I'm not here like "this clears falcon" but I think it's worth thinking about. I am paranoid about you and nanook tbh but without a smoking gun I know I can't get either of you across today. Regardless tonight I'm isoing and doing some thinking and I'll share my results when I have them

For the record, nothing you post will sway my vote... But I will consider legacy.

Busing the goon pre-cop flip is bad because it risks outing the Jester to town. Which now is likely Marmot due to DrWilgy doc flip.

I'm not posting to change your mind, I'm posting to find a solve. If I die I die nbd but if I die with a proposed solve I feel good about and can articulate reasons for that's a win in my book.

Ok, I just want you to know where I'm at.

Also, to help your solve, I've never bussed a player who I have a bad relationship with in all of my time playing mafia.

This right here is a hollow argument my brother. I’ve never tried that Mexican place caddycorner to my apartment but it always smells so good so it’s not like I’ll never visit.

But your argument is noted.

[Scotty]

I'm not going to analyze NAA right now, he's just town.

That leaves us in a position where I think the likelihood of anyone being mafia in order of most to least likely is as follows.

hollowkatt
Nanook
falcon
Scotty
NAA

Woah. Marmot the Maker of Kings has arrived!


Thorough work. I just wish I could shake the idea that you must be Jester.

[Marmot]

The only complaint I have about y'all thinking I'm jester is that you might not listen to me, but sure, keep on pretending.

[Scotty]

Like, it’s reasonable to assume that marmot might NOT be jester, but literally the only other candidate to be jester would be HK imo.

This would mean Wilgy didn’t red check marmot, and marmot is just operating under a guise of VT?? I don’t want to believe this realm

[Scotty]

The only complaint I have about y'all thinking I'm jester is that you might not listen to me, but sure, keep on pretending.

Ok.

Who do you think is jester after your iso?

[Marmot]

I personally think falcon is most likely Jester atp but that's based on his treatment of me.

[Scotty]

Ironically, HK’s suggestion that LC wouldn’t vote for a GF falcon is weighing heavily in my determination that falcon may be town

[Marmot]

Also, just to add, the argument that me putting in a bunch of effort on Day 3 after a wolf flip is suspicious isn't a good AI argument (which both falcon and hk are doing), because it assumes town wouldn't do such a thing, but town would do such a thing.