The Syndicate

Black Rock wrote:Starting Clan Dynamics

Children of Serenity - They are at peace with the Guardians and Brotherhood. They don't like the Warriors or the Sorcerers.

Guardians of the Lifeforce - They are at peace with the Children and Warriors. They don't like the Brotherhood or the Sorcerers.

Warriors of the Shadows - They are at peace with the Guardians and Brotherhood. They don't like the Children or the Sorcerers.

Sorcerers of the Elements - They are not at peace. They don't like any one.

Brotherhood of the Inner Eye - They are at peace with the Children and the Warriors. They don't like the Guardians or the Sorcerers.

Ricochet wrote:War Monger - Tranq
-- What was your epic challenge?
Epic Challenge: If 3 players do not complete their challenge then you may choose 3 players to challenge instead of 1. If 3 players successfully lynch the other player then you may recruit one of them in a private shared win condition.
-- Who did you mind control on D/N1 and what was the result?
Position 1: Chooses two people who have to make a case and vote for each other. If they don’t complete the case they both gain three votes and are role blocked the following night.
Mind control on BWT and unfurl. -> both complete the challenge but don't get each other lynched
-- Who did you place in competition on D/N2 and what was the result?
Position 5: Thread goal/competition (make people turn on each other to win) ie. players choose someone to try and lynch, who ever gets the most votes on their target wins.
Tranq targets SVS and aapje for a competition. Fails because of the protection. I'll let aapje explain this blunder
-- What was your position 3 and did you do anything with it D3?
Position 3: Send False Information
Night ended before i could use this power.
-- Who did you hunger on D/N4, if anyone?
Hunger Scotty. He has to get JJJ dead within 2 full periods -> Not sure if this power went through or not, but JJJ got NK'd within 2 full periods
-- What was your position 4 and did you anything with it D/N5?
Position 4: Illusionist (create false result in host post)
I made TinyBubbles appear as a member of Team Ubzurgan
-- Who did you place in competition on D/N6 and what was the result?
Canucklehead vs Roxy -> Canuck votes DrWilgy who gets lynched - Roxy misses the vote and fails the challenge.
Not sure if she won a prize or not.
-- Did you do anything with position 3 on D7?
No
-- Who did you mind control on D/N8 and what was the result?
Canuck and BWT -> Canuck votes BWT and gets him lynched - BWT selfvotes and fails the challenge
-- Did you do anything with position 4 on D/N9?
Night 9 i added the part about Abriham failing to kill DharmaHelper
-- Who did you hunger on D/N10, if anyone?
Hunger nutelLA to lynch Scotty. Scotty got NK'd same night :/
-- How did you survive the D10 lynch?
MM used his Night 9 Position 4 power to protect our team Night9/Day10.

Night 11 i used Competition on aapje and MM. MM picked Canuck. aapje picked nutelLA who got lynched. aapje won 5 extra votes

Spacedaisy wrote:Bwt replaced boomslang. I believe boomslang was bad. He was already under suspicion from players, then Night 9s came along and Ahriman attempted to kill 2 people, DH and boomslang. Both failed. It has generally been agreed upon that DH would be a freaking weird choice of kill for Ahriman, all things considered. I had looked over the list to see if there was a reason that Ahriman might have ended up with two kills showing up in one night. The only thing I could see was that Boomslang (because I am operating under the belief that Ahriman wouldn't have targeted DH) might be either the jilted lover or the warden. We know now that Gman was the jilted lover in his previous incarnation,so we can scratch that. So if he was the warden, and the power was used by him, targeting DH seems like a decidedly baddie move. Then the only sense I can make of Roxy's weirdness over the restarted night was that she was trying to obfuscate the truth about what occurred in order to provide some cover for boom/bwt. I really think this would be the best choice for a lynch today.

Scotty wrote:Voted Pos. 4.

If we're going to focus on Ubz tomorrow (which I think we should) we don't want a lynch switch or a protect from him (plus mild consequences, whatever that entails). I think poison is, while not ideal, manageable.

aapje wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Hmm. I missed sending a PM the Night I was killed. I think the Hosts made confusing posts about N5 missed PMs, though. LC said one, then "not as many as he thought" (??), BR hinted at several.

So if you are telling the truth about not sending in your PM that night that would mean Synonym is lying.

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, I don't know why no one is talking about this, but I will. Llama, the Bubbles lynch flip makes you look incredibly bad. You came out of the gate on Bubbles for something ridiculous. And yet when it came down to her lynch you didn't vote for her. Not only did you not vote for her but you made two separate posts talking about how Uzbarg would have no reason not to use his power, one time saying that we learn zero information from the switch. The last time you said anything negative about Bubbles was in Night 4 and all it said was everything bubbles said read insincere to you. That is it. So you go from being after her hard at the start and then you barely say anything about her lynch? Then after her flip you come out yelling about how you knew it and you were right, etc. taking credit for a lynch you played absolutely no part in at all. Your only explanation about why you didn't vote for her was to say you didn't think your vote would matter so you put your vote somewhere else. And if that was why you were doing it, why wouldn't you say that in your vote. Why wouldn't you express your approval of the lynch train that was forming? Instead you tried to convince people who were waffling to vote for DH instead. I think you are Uz and you recruited Bubbles. I think today's dog and pony show about looking for Bubbles teammates is your way to hopefully direct attention anywhere but you.

Tranq wrote:

DrWilgy wrote: Still being obsessed with teams is my trigger, hopping on the TinyBubbles boat so quickly without providing anything that hasn't been said already is also my trigger (especially since I'm pretty sure TinyBubbles is neutral).

This reads like timmer's neutral play to me. What's wrong with being obsessed with teams?

DrWilgy wrote:Don't vote for position 1 or 3. We don't want to give lynch immunity tomorrow.

DrWilgy wrote: Ok, some theorems as to what happened:
1. Bubbles was bad from before day 4. This means that bubbles took some heat, was saved by a teammate, took part in killing someone who suspected her, received more heat, failed in a defense, and then gave up. Possibly because she ran out of things to defend herself with.
2. Bubbles was recruited during day 5. This means that bubbles took heat, was saved by a non-teammate, was framed for killing someone who suspected her, received more heat, failed in a defense, submitted for a contest to be recruited, was recruited, took a fall for the team.

So, it should be clear that I don't believe in theory 1. If theory 1 is true, then I was completely played a fool. It doesn't make sense to me for Ubooboo to kill Unfurl if Bubbles was a team mate before day 5, due to that implicating Bubbles even more so.

Theory 2 is what I propose actually happened. If you pay attention to the timing of the recruitment day 5 it makes sense. It would also explain why Bubbles didn't respond all day, she was just added to a team. Hence she appeared and spoke to us from beyond the grave the moment the day resolved. this would make sense if Bubbles didn't want to spew that she was recruited, so she chose silence over anything worse. This is reflective of her later more emotional posts, and how they were much more volatile... And her being recruited at 7:59 also explains why she would let me take the fall defending her, instead of her defending herself. I posted her defense 6 min before the day 5 recruitment (and that's not including the time it took to write it). I actively gave her no reason to respond... I'm sorry everyone I almost screwed everything up.

nutella wrote:Wooo awesome result!! Hope we can find her teammates as well.

nutella wrote:also, voting position 1 I guess.

aapje wrote:

Scotty wrote:@Dom's demeanor has been hovering somewhere around antagonistic, but I've never seen him play a game before. He's been pretty vocal about several people and so far hasn't been successful in catching a baddie (such as Golden, MP and me as examples) which doesn't sit well with me.

How can you be so sure MP wasn't bad? Not saying he was but it's certainly a possibility.

Spacedaisy wrote:I'll repeat here that I suspect get not only because the lynch for switched but because her response to it seemed exaggerated. I would expect her to be all, "I don't know why" but now a paragraph of her going on about how she is so confused and she doesn't know what happened and she em pmed the hosts, etc. It is overkill. It don't feel like a natural civilian response. I think She knows why the lynch got switched, in fact I think it was her teammate that did it.

TinyBubbles wrote:going with position 1

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

timmer wrote:How are people going to handle the unrecruited side of things? Last game, I rather infamously flamed out, and it all started when I admitted that I didn't give a crap who got lynched since I was neutral. There was more to it than that afterwards, but that was essentially the big issue.

Orange = Can anyone who played in Recruitment 3 recall this incident and report on its significance? I merely want to gauge how believable timmer's innocence was when posing this question -- asking for people's unrecruited strategies and wondering aloud how he might play his own.

Timmer » Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:21:28 am wrote:Look, I honestly didn't care about either case or who died, tbh. I still kind of don't .

We're (almost) all unrecruited, so why should I fight to take out a baddie? Why, honestly, do I care if the civs or the baddies gain an advantage? What if I baddiehunt for days snd then get recruited to the very team I was helping to decimate? I have absolutely no reason to care, yet. It's a weird game! Naturally this may lead to my demise, but if I'm out, I'm going out honest lol.

DrWilgy wrote:JJJ pointed this out, but I would also like to address how bullshit this is.

timmer wrote:
Fifth, where I'm still at a conundrum is that (and take this with whatever grain of salt you want, I recommend Kosher personally) I still have no team and thus I'm not sure which kind of case to get behind, as any of them could affect my future employer. For instance, Canuckle makes a very good point about TinyBubbles. She seems like she's recruited and unsure of how to act. But what if that's true but Tiny's team will be my team?

Still being obsessed with teams is my trigger, hopping on the TinyBubbles boat so quickly without providing anything that hasn't been said already is also my trigger (especially since I'm pretty sure TinyBubbles is neutral).

timmer wrote:Holy cap, host, you spent a lot of time on that. But you missed every key point about my game up to here. I stayed quite simply right from the start that I wasn't going to play like a civ until I have reason to, and I've followed through on that worth perfect consistency.

Yeah, I've jumped on bandwagons worth little to no thought, because I can't trek who is on a team flow the most part and thus if someone does it's cool with me, because I'm still neutral. Plain and simple, I remain unrecruited and no that's not a clever truth to hide the fact that I'm a team leader, I am still neutral.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Tranq, do you find me suspicious or are you tagging along for an opportunity to maybe kill a vocal contributor?

LoRab wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

LoRab wrote:You could have posted to try to detach from seeming like the person who stopped day. You also might not have nkown that the hosts would announce when day was stopped. I'm not ready to vote for you for this, but it does raise an eyebrow.

So you're inclined to believe that the person who ended the day early was not aligned with Team Good Guys, or still among the neutral pile?

I think you could select a large number of posts from about the same area of the thread and find a "could have been..." description for them that suits your theory in a similar fashion. You're already reaching quite a bit -- not only to peg this role on me, but beyond that to assert it'd even warrant a vote if you were right.

I noticed something and brought it up, partly to see your reaction, partly because I thought it worthy of bringing up. Yours was the only vote within a time frame close to the vote end time that talked about people being sure to vote. It stood out to me. I pointed it out. It's what I do.

I do not the the person who ended day early is civ aligned, for sure. I think they may have been bad alligned--but they may be neutral. But their action does not feel neutral. So I feel it is worth discussing.

And I don't think I said I was going to vote for you, just that I suspected you and had/have an eye on you. Your reaction to that seems a bit over the top, tbh, and didn't make me feel better. But still just keeping an for the time being.

Tranq wrote:Uh i got drunk and fell asleep... Why did DP, Scotty and timmer vote for themselves?

Golden wrote:

Tranq wrote:This post stood out to me. Why would you assume BWT wouldn't flip? Note Golden posted this before the lynch post revealed BWT didn't flip.

I had no idea what the voting situation was at the time the night ended early and I didn't figure out the difference in time zone, but just from a basic calculation it seemed early enough that there was no reason to assume BWT would flip. He only really led within the last hour or so.

I didn't assume no-one would flip, but I'm not sure why anyone would assume BWT would flip on a day that the night ended early. I was responding to Bea who hadn't caught up enough to have realised the night was ended early.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Tranq wrote:I don't see anything wrong with her having the attitude you described Day 1 in a Recruitment game. Especially her post here is one i agree with. I don't read her as having 0 intention in discussing anything (i think she has posted quite a bit since your interactions), i read it as wanting to play the game in her own way. I'm sure as the game progresses she'll have more original posts and thoughts.
So as for your suspicions and her posts so far, i don't think it points to unfurl being a Recruiter or having been recruited.

What do you make of DrWilgy wanting to be friends with unfurl?

Tranq, thanks for elaborating on this. You're correct that's essentially what I was seeing in unfurl.

As to the last line, why is that exactly? Do you think a Recruiter or recruited would be more apt to share their own opinions?

Regarding DrWilgy, I have no idea what to make of it. Apparently, he's friends with MM now as well. What do you make of it?

nutella wrote:Btw, why is nobody talking about the Keeper of Ravens message?? I would really like to figure out what it means...

Keeper of Ravens wrote:CHAOS! CHAOS IS UPON US! Brothers and Sisters if we are to survive this
plite, questions must be answered immediately! You know the questions.
For the answers... you must look north, for there you will find truth."

Is it just referring to the lynch poll?

Golden wrote:

Dom wrote:

bea wrote: I'm currently unsure of which is more user friendly - collecting all my thoughts in one long post with no quotes or posting like 1000 times as I catch up. I welcome suggestions but doubt I will see them till I get to the end of this. I'm so far behind I don't know how teefies flipped yet.

Neither do we.

We don't even know IF teefies flipped.

aapje wrote:Let's look at the possible roles that could have cause no lynch to occur:

Caelia - Children of Serenity
Lynch Pardon

I think the first is very unlikely since the lynch ended early.

LoRab wrote:

Ricochet wrote: I have no idea what inspired the Judge to turn it into a lottery yesterday,

I have to wonder if the judge has been recruited, tbh.

Ricochet wrote:So my theory so far is shaping up like this:

if the stats are correct that a 1-vote 11-player tie took place and a player gets lynched through randomization, then it must mean the player who got lynched survived the lynch, according to his position 1

ergo any of the following players (BWT, Canuck, Epignosis, Golden, MP, Russ, SVS, Tranq, Unfurl, Wilgy - I'm not, but feel free to throw me in as well; I would have super dead and super pissed if I would have been lynched or if the Day would have ended with me having two votes) can be:

Ubzargan the Ruthless - Immune to NK/Lynch
Jilted Lover - Can’t die as long as ? alive

If I missed anything, let me know, but so far I believe this to be the conclusion: our non-lynched player today is Uzbargan or the Jilted Lover. unfortunately we have 11 candidates for this spot

MovingPictures07 wrote:Can any of the players that defended unfurl's behavior by saying it is like unfurl please explain to me what in her behavior makes you believe this? What adjectives would you use to describe her play in general that you see here, that make you unable to distinguish her alignment, and not persuaded by any of the points I was making?

MovingPictures07 wrote:At this moment, the players that I'm eyeballing the most are:

unfurl, for 13 posts that contribute practically nothing (no offense intended) to the hunt or game mechanics discussion, and for an attitude that seems very cheeky, sarcastic, and nonchalant. It's possible that she is a recruiter or recruited that isn't willing to open up the low poster discussion for the reasons I mentioned, although it seems clear that she has no intention to open up any avenue of discussion. Even if she isn't recruited or recruiter of a nefarious nature, that is a dangerous mindset, and considering 28 of us are neutral, she may receive my vote purely for that unwillingness.

nutella wrote:And actually yeah since there are deflections and stuff we can't really be sure. There are some position 1 powers that could have messed up targets and stuff, so we're not 100% sure Typh was a Sorceror. But there's a pretty good chance. Below is a list of all the roles that are Sorcerors

LoRab wrote:EBWOP: Screwed up the ticking off who he had named. I think I started ticking off the ones he didn't name and then changed part way through. It is fixed below.

LoRab wrote:I think what SD was trying to get at (or what I took from it and agree with) is the people who seem to be insisting that this is not a Good vs Bad game at all. Commentary on and enjoying the setup is something different. But there could be some nafarious goal in those pushing that there are no baddies and civies (TH comes to mind). Or that there are just factions not teams (Roxy comes to mind).

I'm not sure I want to vote for either of them, because I think that in a complex game, with the added idea of clans, it's not impossible to be confused. I do, however, think that it's possible that a baddie might want to perpetuate the confusion and get people to believe that there aren't baddies.

nutella wrote:linki: ha, mixing up tranq and typh, classic! they love it when people do that!

bea wrote:I stayed up an extra hour and a half - to read a page about DH's poop.

I'm caught up. I'll take what JJJ says into concideration Imma vote early tomorrow because friday is my busiest day.

Can't say it'll be well reasoned or thought out or explained.

Everything feels like day 1 bullshit. It always does to me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:DH played that witch hunt beautifully; I think he was one of the final few Erlatz 11 still alive when he finally did get lynched.

I think i was the first or second one to get lynched

Ricochet wrote:Yay game.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Position 5 results in the least amount of death.

Linki: listen to me when I'm talking to you DH.

Except if I worked an hour on a totally screwy spreadsheet and am missing something, please explain how positions 1 and 2 are have more amount of death than position 5. All positions allow the Executioner to attempt a kill, whilst position 3 and 4 enable Caelia and Ahriman to kill. Uzbekistan's poison is also on position 4, in case that thing is deadly or anything (is it?).

The Spinner can also gain immunite to Ubzy and Azura kills, but I'm not seeing them having any kill positions. Or do they?

I'm probably gonna ask a lot of questions in this game.