The Syndicate

Fuskdall

I was jus' foolin' about suspectin' Potter. Bill Dixon has been a suspicion of mine all game, and he gets my vote once again.

Fuskdall

This is some crazy jazz.

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RIP Guaraldi. Should I vote for Potter?

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Bela Fleck wrote:
Miles Davis wrote:One thing that would really help is if you stop using acronyms for every other word here, Fleck. And that goes for when you're ika here as well. 90% or more of the players here will not know any of the acronyms and references (like "hydra", no I do not know what that means) that I assume mafiascum players take for granted.
hydra is a slot that has 2 or more players under one account, me and silver did it all the time, as for the terms, its something that is common words for me, its like how i used pedit instead of what seems like linki. I dont mind bringing new terms over that i commonly used.

What use could two players with one account have?

Many of the players here have probably never even played a closed setup game with a godfather, a cop, a doctor, and no other power roles.
thats fair, im used to anythign from this to "I am mind screwing you"

Here on The Syndicate, almost all of our games are non-standard, with creative roles and experimental factors.
so its jsut like my homesite and how i mod and make game? i do have to ask then, why are there like no meta players?

There's no meta players in this game because it's a sockpuppet game. I see plenty of analysis of players based on their previous games in non-sockpuppet games here. I love meta-analysis, I love to hear meta-analysis of my own play because it's like an instruction book other players write entitled "How To Trick Me Next Time".

The assumptions you made about this game are not assumptions anyone else is likely to make, because this style of game is pretty outside the norm in its standard-ness.
Well, if someone told me that sooner, it would of saved me a lot fo pain and efforts on what I was saying.

Well, I did tell you right away actually. Remember the post where I said we don't know if the Godfather tricked the cop, or protected his team, or had extra votes, etc?

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Chris Potter wrote:I'd also ask Fleck to try and not post thrice in a row. It's quite detrimental to those trying to actually read the whole thread and those who isolate your posts.
Thats........ Something I cant entirely help, im a busrt poster as i like to call it, so what i mean by that is i will come in and post a bunch of stuff in multi post fashion. I am also usually a one/two liner post about it cus i am normally not a wall type poster

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Chris Potter wrote:I'd also ask Fleck to try and not post thrice in a row. It's quite detrimental to those trying to actually read the whole thread and those who isolate your posts.

On the flip side, sometimes it is nice to avoid a huge wall of text single post by splitting it up into logical sections in different posts.

Hiromi Uehara wrote:@ the other folks, let's not criticize Bela for using acronyms that we don't know. He can't automatically know all of our terminology just from playing a game or two here. We can be a little more patient and ask what they mean, and share our own variation if possible. The beauty of having players from other mafia cultures come play here is they bring a new spice to our lives. They should not automatically have to play and act exactly as we do.

I mean, he used the acronym "PR" (which I believe is power role), and posted 3 times in a row. It's not like he told someone to eat a dick or something.

Eat a dick, Hiromi! jk

I didn't feel like I was being critical or harsh at all. I was friendly and helpful... wasn't I?

Fuskdall

One thing that would really help is if you stop using acronyms for every other word here, Fleck. And that goes for when you're ika here as well. 90% or more of the players here will not know any of the acronyms and references (like "hydra", no I do not know what that means) that I assume mafiascum players take for granted. Many of the players here have probably never even played a closed setup game with a godfather, a cop, a doctor, and no other power roles.

Here on The Syndicate, almost all of our games are non-standard, with creative roles and experimental factors. The assumptions you made about this game are not assumptions anyone else is likely to make, because this style of game is pretty outside the norm in its standard-ness.

Fuskdall

Bela Fleck wrote:
Miles Davis wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:Re reading the game it's between Dixon and Davis right now I'm mobile still but I can make it more later if I can
Not Hiromi any more?
Well it's dependent on if the post restriction was due to or play or not

Oh yeah, you mentioned you had a posting restriction. I was wondering how that happened?

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Bela Fleck wrote:Re reading the game it's between Dixon and Davis right now I'm mobile still but I can make it more later if I can

Not Hiromi any more?

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Miles Davis wrote:Miles Davis
Vince Guaraldi
Charles Mingus
John Coltrane
Chris Potter
Hiromi Uehara
Bill Dixon
Ornette Coleman
Béla Fleck

That's my rainbow list as it stands right now.

Sorry about that, Ornette! I was wrong to suspect you for your weird behaviour. Since my Fleck suspicion is just fake, I am down with lynching Dixon or Hiromi. I'm not sure what logic is being used to say that the nightkill choices point to Hiromi, but that could be jus' because I am not really very good at Mafia detective work.

I recognize the Dixon case as a lot of what I have said before, so that's easy to agree with.

Fuskdall

Smells like bull. I'll vote Coleman.

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Dixon has been a suspect of mine for a while, and I agree with the reasoning that he said he suspected Buble but then didn't vote for him. That would make him my best choice. Ornette has been playing sort of a 'chaotic-shallow' game as I recall, which makes him a totally acceptable target in my books. Fleck I have as my reddest red just because. So again, I'm on board with a Dixon lynch and am willing to vote that way. Bill Dixon

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That's some good old-fashioned vote analysis, just like my uncle, Jasper Sarsaparilla used to do! I can't argue with the logic, but I am not the bad musician in the bunch. I am just Jim-dandy with lynching Hiromi or Dixon.

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Miles Davis
Vince Guaraldi
Charles Mingus
John Coltrane
Chris Potter
Hiromi Uehara
Bill Dixon
Ornette Coleman
Béla Fleck

That's my rainbow list as it stands right now.

Fuskdall

Who you quotin'??

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Bela Fleck wrote:not only that bug is mingus usally this bad?

Mingus isn't usually anything.

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You guys have no problem with the idea that the last scum cast the deciding vote to kill the Godfather on Day One?

You just voted to lynch Tito Puente based solely on his vote on the Fleck counterwagon. So you think that both Buble and Tito tried to save Buble by voting Fleck, and that their last teammate Mingus screwed those efforts over by casting a late vote on Buble?

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Billie Holiday wrote:
Miles Davis wrote: I think we got pretty lucky with Tito turning up bad, by going for an inactive.
Tito was on Buble's cw so yeah, it was him or Hiromi as easy choices.

Oh yeah, right. Forgot about that angle, there was more than inactivity pointing to his guilt. Interesting to note the Sorsha-baddie-inactivity, let's remember that for future games.

Billie Holiday wrote:Fleck is town. He voted for both scums, was voted by scum, was pressured all day and came off town, anyone that still pushes this gets lynched.

We shall see.

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Bela Fleck wrote:
Miles Davis wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:re we still going to argue i am scum after this?

CALLED IT
I was ready to switch my vote from you if it had been necessary. I was fairly convinced by midday today that you were Civ, but I figured that keeping the pressure on you would do more good than bad. It's still very hard to convince me that Mingus is bad though, I mean, the crucial vote that sunk the Godfather?? I had a much easier time believing that your first vote on Buble was a teammate vote, because one little vote on a teammate doesn't mean too much if the lynch doesn't go south.

I think we got pretty lucky with Tito turning up bad, by going for an inactive.
Ok do you still think im scum or town though? i dont really see a full read

i mean his entire agrument for "town cred" could be applied to him as well dont you think?

i disagree hat we were luck that we go him for inactivty,i have seen scums do that so much that i much rather purge inactive first.

And I have seen it go wrong more often than not. Count me in as a supporter either way though - as I said earlier, I like to leave the talkers alive, for a more exciting game!

I'm just going to maintain my scum read of you for now, Fleck. You're not out of the woods yet, I've still got my eye on you, you're probably the last baddie, and we'll just see about that tomorrow! Otherwise, I ain't sayin' nothin' at night unless I've the right mind to. *tips hat*

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Bela Fleck wrote:re we still going to argue i am scum after this?

CALLED IT

I was ready to switch my vote from you if it had been necessary. I was fairly convinced by midday today that you were Civ, but I figured that keeping the pressure on you would do more good than bad. It's still very hard to convince me that Mingus is bad though, I mean, the crucial vote that sunk the Godfather?? I had a much easier time believing that your first vote on Buble was a teammate vote, because one little vote on a teammate doesn't mean too much if the lynch doesn't go south.

I think we got pretty lucky with Tito turning up bad, by going for an inactive.

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Hey, Tito Puente is ahead of Fleck 5-4. I hope he's bad. Day 2 lynching an inactive... a good way to keep the post rate up on the game!

Ornette Coleman
0
No votes
John Coltrane
0
No votes
Miles Davis
0
No votes
Bill Dixon
0
No votes
Béla Fleck
4
Charles Mingus (5), Miles Davis (6), Hiromi Uehara (9), Bill Dixon (14) 27%
Vince Guaraldi
0
No votes
Billie Holiday
0
No votes
Charles Mingus
0
No votes
Chris Potter
0
No votes
Tito Puente
5
Vince Guaraldi (8), Billie Holiday (10), Bela Fleck (11), Chris Potter (12), Ornette Coleman (13) 33%
Hiromi Uehara
0

Fuskdall

Fleck, I do not believe that it is beyond your capabilities to post more and make spelling mistakes as a deliberate fake-out when you are bad. I mean... how gullible do you think we are?

On another note, I should say that I have been getting a bad feeling from Chris Potter. I looked to see where he voted, though, and he was second voter for Buble. So that's a bit lame, to suspect another Buble voter in addition to Fleck... but there it is.

Chris Potter wrote:
Charles Mingus wrote:This is just hilarious.

Also, I love how Fleck says the baddies would never bus Buble, unless of course I'm doing it (the final fucking vote) in which case it's not only possible but probable. Right. Then we've got Chris Potter sensing a bandwagon or two brewing and ready to be one of the first to jump it without contributing any arguments as to why.
I believe Fleck and Holiday were the first ones to vote for Bublé, buddy. They're either town or just too goddamn dumb.

This just felt like a baddie who knows Fleck and Holiday are Civ, and was buddying them.

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I don't feel all that comfortable basing anything on what "ika" is likely to do because this is a sockpuppet game. It's distasteful to keep referring to Fleck's real identity so flagrantly, and it's exponentially compounded by full-on multi-post defending him based on his real identity. We - you, Billie - shouldn't even know who he is beyond "Bela Fleck". I'm not biasing my opinion of the actions of Bela Fleck based on what ika is or isn't supposedly likely to do. I'm not likely to judge ika himself based on what ika says he does as a baddie, I think that whole idea sounds like a trap to prey on idiots... but it's absolutely not going to even be considered by me for judging Bela Fleck.

Fuskdall

I think everything is copacetic, O Great Host!

And Billie, I don't blame you for getting the socks mixed up. Biblical Mafia messed some people up too - all the sockpuppet accounts were similarly-styled biblical character images.

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Hiromi Uehara wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:
Hiromi Uehara wrote:I apologize for my behavior

I dont know who was behind the scoks so i was just teasing

It wont happen anymore
I knownot everyone is aware of the incident that happened to us. we are still acommidaitng to the site ourself
I was intending to mimic another personality who used to play here. I meant no harm.

I am aware of the situation, I just didn't connect the dots between the various socks in this game and how they might react to my statements.

Dang it, Hiromi! I apologize for my lady friend here. I bought her one vodka martini and the next thing you know, she's actin' a damn fool! I told ya, Hiromi, I told ya! Shoulda waited till after we get through these rehearsals with Fletcher.

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Sorry for that last post o' mine, I got my chords confused and hit the wrong key! What I was intendin' to say was somethin' like this:

Billie Holiday wrote:
Miles Davis wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:
Miles Davis wrote: Cool, thank you for making it so easy for us. For the record, when I'm town, I act just like I have been acting this game, and when I'm bad I usually post in yellow.

You're welcome.
you know zeb, lining up lynches is an easy way for scums to have a feild day right?
Unless they're lined up on scums.
OK, considering that you said I'm next earlier, I'm assuming I'm the other you are lining up lynches on. So, I'd appreciate some reasoning for scumreading me even though you are denying it now.

When did I say "you're next", Billie?

I have to say, I'm pretty sure I said nothing of the sort!

And why are you assuming that there's another party I'm trying to line up lynches on, and further assuming that it's you?

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Billie Holiday wrote:
Miles Davis wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:
Miles Davis wrote: Cool, thank you for making it so easy for us. For the record, when I'm town, I act just like I have been acting this game, and when I'm bad I usually post in yellow.

You're welcome.
you know zeb, lining up lynches is an easy way for scums to have a feild day right?
Unless they're lined up on scums.
OK, considering that you said I'm next earlier, I'm assuming I'm the other you are lining up lynches on. So, I'd appreciate some reasoning for scumreading me even though you are denying it now.

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Bela Fleck wrote:VTW is miles insnt zeb i could see it being epi

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Bela Fleck wrote:...if i was scum silver would of been dead already. i would of killed her n1.

This one is going to be especially fun in the future, I imagine.

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Bela Fleck wrote:
Hiromi Uehara wrote:
Billie Holiday wrote:
Charles Mingus wrote:Why is Fleck civ and Hiromi isn't?
Because HIromi is voting on the civ counterwagon to scum. Fleck is acting very town based on meta-I know who this is since he alt slipped.
Maybe if I alt-slip I would be less badder
sure, go right ahread, another fun fact is if i was sucm i would of been mroe self aware of em not swtiching and care more about ym typos

A fun fact about me is that I have not, and will never, give any credence to your vast library of self-meta-reads that so easily lay out how you act as town and as scum. Never. Your attempts to do so will, 100% of the time, make me think you are bad.

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Bela Fleck wrote:
Miles Davis wrote:I'm lining up two towns for lynch? Which two?
Your lining up me and then your going to lynch sivler next you have said, my top town read

1. What's the difference between "lining someone up for lynch" and suspecting that someone is bad?

2. I never said I want to lynch Billie Holiday. My other two suspects are Bill Dixon and Ornette Coleman.

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I'm lining up two towns for lynch? Which two?

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Bela Fleck wrote:
Miles Davis wrote: Cool, thank you for making it so easy for us. For the record, when I'm town, I act just like I have been acting this game, and when I'm bad I usually post in yellow.

You're welcome.
you know zeb, lining up lynches is an easy way for scums to have a feild day right?

Unless they're lined up on scums.

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Bela Fleck wrote:
Billie Holiday wrote:
I don't care if you let it slide. I'm town and so is Fleck. You wanna know how to read ika? It's simple. Does he have an agenda? He's scum. Does he run around like a chicken with his head cut off, he's town. Also, scum paint associatives with town all the time, which is what I think happened here.

I didn't say your posts were garbage. I said to line up my lynch because I'm defending Fleck is garbage. There is a difference.
That pretty much sums me up for the most part. As scum i run an agenda, i plan, i work, i do so much more. not only that if i was scum silver would of been dead already. i would of killed her n1.

that being said, if you guys ever see me sign for a game dont be afraid to shoot em a pm, i dont care about out my meta. i will openly tell you how i plan on playing as scum and town in any game i sign for.

Cool, thank you for making it so easy for us. For the record, when I'm town, I act just like I have been acting this game, and when I'm bad I usually post in yellow.

You're welcome.

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Chris Potter wrote:I'm feeling that Mingus and Davis are baddies here, folks.

Maybe you need a nap or something.

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Billie Holiday wrote:Bela Fleck is confirmed civ.

Move on people.

How do you know he is confirmed civ? Is it because you love him?

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Bela Fleck wrote:so miles is a2zeb

fun times!

At least I didn't sock-slip!

Anyways, you could be wrong, you know!

I'm picking up what Billie is laying down here, that she's reading Fleck as Civ... but the nail in the coffin for me is that he's going after Mingus, who was the final clinching vote for Godfather Buble -- AFTER Fleck went on and on about how a scum would never bus a teammate, especially the Godfather, in a game of this size.

I do not share any of the assumptions that Fleck takes as fact. I don't know if the Godfather was immune to rolechecks, or protected his team, of was able to block someone at night, or something I haven't heard of before. I don't know if there's a cop, or a doctor, or a roleblocker, or a lie detector, or a bomb, or a one-time ninja. Fleck seems to have it all figured out, I don't know why he expects a Syndicate game to be the same as some mafiascum standard fare.

Bela Fleck

Fuskdall

What's "SO NKA"?

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Top suspects for today.

Bela Fleck - Distancing vote cast for Buble, and one received in return from Buble. After Wilgy is nightkilled, he attempts to pin the kill on... Wilgy. That lazy play, not real attempts to solve the game.

Ornette Coleman - Defended Buble, really under the radar player, and calls Coltrane a confirmed Civ, which I really don't like seeing at all.

Bill Dixon - says he'd vote for Buble earlier, but when it comes down to it and Buble has three votes, he decides Buble's responses are "sincere", and that he's going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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Bela Fleck wrote:Wigly was going after navro last before he died. im jsut going with some occam razor on this

Wilgy was Navarro, man! This doesn't make me feel better about you at all.

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John Coltrane wrote:I agree with Fleck here, it makes zero sense to bus the gd day 1 when they could've easily voted for another wagon. Assuming there are only 3 mafia members, they are down to two. The cop can red check both the living players. The mafia has just lost their most important player.

I also think we should look into the player who didn't vote, could be mafia there.

Lots of assumptions here, Trane. You have some sheet music the rest of us aren't aware of?

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Vince Guaraldi wrote:Coleman never really took a stand and only had one concrete thought Day 1. Not many posts there.

Coltrane was justified in moving past sock-hunting. It's not a fruitful exercise here because we don't know who all is playing. Now he did flip-flop in only a fee measures on Bela. First he said none of the Buble votes looked bad but then said Fleck could be. Strange but not terrible. I disagree on his bussing comments. In a game this small, bussing a teammate on Day 1 could provide crucial cover and put you on the trail to victory.

Davis was largely absent Day 1 with just a few riffs here and there. Nothing very above the radar at all. He could have hidden behind my vote but it would look worse to blindly glom on. He's been laying down some wisdom tonight though. As long as he's not trying to build a Day 2 train on Fleck, I'm cool with him for now.

Too true, I wasn't around much Day 1. Ain't no thang though, just busy.

Fuskdall

Fleck, you are talkin' all kinds of mumbo-jumbo here now. Not too impressed with your lack of grace under pressure.

Bela Fleck wrote:Like if your so adamant to say his point is superior to mine, explain my grand plan outside of the idea of town cred

First, he said I have a point. He didn't make any judgment calls on whether or not it was superior, you added that in. You tried to change the conversation.

Second, it makes no sense to ask to explain the idea of bussing "outside of town cred". Bussing is about getting town cred. Period. Again, you're trying to change the conversation.

Bela Fleck wrote:
Miles Davis wrote: You are aware of the normally desired benefits that result from successful distancing from a scum teammate, aren't you?
and are you aware how the entire play went out? Are you aware that in a 3pr game that scums will prob fight a little more to keep a GODFATHER alive and not go "lol bus"

Tell me how its better play to bus a GF on day 1 and hope for town cred than jsut vote elsewhere based on how the dicussion went

I assume that by "3pr game" you meant "13 player game"?

I didn't SAY you are the kind of player who make smart choices, I have no solid opinion on that front. Maybe you are a balls-out risk-taker.

The FACT is that you have been listed as the towniest town that ever towned on several lists already.

Let that sink in for a second, and consider whether or not you really need to ask me how it would be a good play.

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Bela Fleck wrote:
Miles Davis wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:
Miles Davis wrote:That's some seriously harmonious results right there! Great job, Buble voters.

My first thought was that Fleck would be crazy enough to do some mega-distancing with the early vote for Buble... but that don't really seem like a popular idea, Coltrane's runnin' hot on the notion that no one would bus the Godfather... but if I had to pick one that is, it would be Fleck. Just one man's opinion.
And why is it only me and nobody else?
Because you voted first. Back when it wasn't apparent that he was goin' down. That's how I would expect a distancing bus vote to happen.
Why the hell would I distance him? It would of been so much easier to just move my vote after he posted.

You are aware of the normally desired benefits that result from successful distancing from a scum teammate, aren't you?

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Bela Fleck wrote:
Miles Davis wrote:That's some seriously harmonious results right there! Great job, Buble voters.

My first thought was that Fleck would be crazy enough to do some mega-distancing with the early vote for Buble... but that don't really seem like a popular idea, Coltrane's runnin' hot on the notion that no one would bus the Godfather... but if I had to pick one that is, it would be Fleck. Just one man's opinion.
And why is it only me and nobody else?

Because you voted first. Back when it wasn't apparent that he was goin' down. That's how I would expect a distancing bus vote to happen.

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That's some seriously harmonious results right there! Great job, Buble voters.

My first thought was that Fleck would be crazy enough to do some mega-distancing with the early vote for Buble... but that don't really seem like a popular idea, Coltrane's runnin' hot on the notion that no one would bus the Godfather... but if I had to pick one that is, it would be Fleck. Just one man's opinion.

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Bela Fleck wrote:Well, we already see 2 people in the game. Fun.

Two people? I saw ika, but I didn't see the other one. Assuming you're talking about folks who let it slip who they really are, that is.

Bill Dixon wrote:Ahh, what'sa matter Miles? Vinny? A little to free for y'all?

Hey, you wanna keep playin' it off like it ain't no thang, all the power to ya. As far as I'm concerned, you didn't even hear what I had to say.

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Vince Guaraldi wrote:
Fats Navarro wrote:Coltrane why did you dismiss a subject of discussion?

Who's down to vote this man with me?
I dig your line of thought. I do, I do. But I'm going to throw my vote at Billy Boy Dixon at the start. That cat was the first (and for a while, the only) one of us to do something the host wanted. Not a bad thing on its own. Waving that fact in our faces in an attempt to gain favor with the host, however, is brown-nosing. Can't stand for that here. No siree.

I can get down with this attitude. I actually did read the rules first, they mostly caught my attention because of the crazy numbering system. Felt like somethin' sketchy was going down, so I looked deeper into it.

Point being, I felt good about seeing the jazz hands thing before moving on, and I would have appreciated no discussion of it at all in the thread. That way, I get to show that I really passed the test, instead of just reading about it in the thread from some blabbermouth who can't keep their cool for five minutes.

Does it make him bad? No. But I take things personal sometimes. Bill Dixon

Fuskdall

Trust me man, it was chock full of all of that, and more!

I'm a changed man now though - Civilian life agrees with me much more.

Fuskdall

Whoa, let's get this game started right! And I don't mean 'round midnight, I mean right now!

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