The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:20 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:17 pm @Seanzie @Creature talk to be about SPF
If there aren't at least two wolves in SPF/Mac/Bereft, the game makes no sense.

What makes this list possible?

I think that there's one wolf between them, but I'd be very surprised to see 2 in these 3.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:50 pm how many mafia in jack/sig/falcon/tutuu?

I really don't think Falcon can be scum still.

Jack/Sig/Tutuu can all contain one so I'd say 2.

Tutuu appears the most towniest, but as they survive and as their read on me is too solid I'd be willing to say possible tmi at this point.

Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:23 pm I also think that when the game is hard we obviously vote out SPF, but now is not then.

Why SPF? Meta thing? When I've caught SPF before it was due to PoE.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:52 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:20 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:17 pm @Seanzie @Creature talk to be about SPF
If there aren't at least two wolves in SPF/Mac/Bereft, the game makes no sense.
What makes this list possible?

I think that there's one wolf between them, but I'd be very surprised to see 2 in these 3.
From my perspective it's practically impossible. I'm town and I've seen interactions between them that do not seem w/w. I don't think SPF had mafia partners in this game. I don't think either are mafia though.

I still town read you.

I don't catch SPF as first wolf ever I think. I'm just not good at that.

Bereft, who fucking knows, I recognize my sr on the slot is 80% OMGUS and I need to legitimately re read the slot.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:20 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:17 pm @Seanzie @Creature talk to be about SPF
If there aren't at least two wolves in SPF/Mac/Bereft, the game makes no sense.
What makes this list possible?

I think that there's one wolf between them, but I'd be very surprised to see 2 in these 3.
I don't see the game going the way it has if that group is mostly town.

I disagree.

I think this game is indicative of in fighting between town more so than deep wolf coaching town to do ill. Maybe one is doing so, but not more so.

Thus Jack/Sig I think need to be dealt with at this juncture.

Porscha too for that matter. I had just the realization that I've forgotten they are in this game.

Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:53 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:23 pm I also think that when the game is hard we obviously vote out SPF, but now is not then.
Why SPF? Meta thing? When I've caught SPF before it was due to PoE.
No. *when the game is obviously hard e.g. ive obviously whiffed on most people below SPF*

Why are you voting sig?

Because I'm not confident on you.

Creature is a fine option as well, but I don't think creature is contributing to the theoretical town infighting we are seeing.

Sig can definitely be along for the town in fight ride.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:55 pm There's stuff like this all through Tutuu's iso. Tutuu worked double time to ensure day 3 was nothing but a Roxy sleepwalk. Sheeping bad town legacy is a thing town do but I think Tutuu did it egregiously.

I have half the mind to think that the Roxy yeet is still steering us in the correct direction if we read the discourse of last cycle correctly.

I have the other half of mind to be like 'I told you goons Roxy didn't wolf tell.'

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:58 pm Jack day 1 buried Alison and he has done nothing since. He's fallen off. He is mafia.

You wanna say I'm the cause of this gamestate. Eat shit.

I find myself in agreement.

Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:35 pm Seanzie/SPF/Falcon does probably in fact contain exactly one wolf was the only thing I gathered overnight.

What generated this list? Again, idk how to catch SPF without a PoE, but if this one is valid we can go from there.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:59 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:34 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:29 pm

The game being hard does not automatically mean Bereft/SPF/Mac contains mafia. If us three were dead and Baudib, Alison and Rondo alive you'd probably have the exact same argument with different names.
Keep on powerwolfing man, it's a reasonable thing to do. You're going to have to deal with me all day though.
Okay I'm done with you. I pleaded with you to work with me yesterday and you ignored me. I'm burying you today.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
From my POV, you have not tried to work with me at all. I explained my case on you yesterday and you just called it illogical and then got upset and started AtEing. Since you've used similar AtE on me when you were a wolf in the past, you burned the one "I'mma drop it in case this is real town frustration and not manipulative AtE" card you get. I don't think I've been rude to you, and I get how this game can get heated at times, and I believe your frustration is probably genuine, but I also know you expressing frustration in the thread is NAI, so you can't expect me to just change my reads because of it.

Bury away.
You have given me zero opportunity to explain my mindset to you in a way that could persuade you to change your read. I have been very townie. You have been a town killing machine and accusing me of the opposite. You should actually reevaluate me properly if you are town. I made a day 1 solve you quoted and questioned me on that so far has had 3 town flip from my towncore and 0 mafia. Largely players you've pushed. Either you're a cause or complicit in the destruction of the town wincon in this game imo.
I've suspected town, but I have not killed anyone. Who have I pushed that then got chopped because of it?

You can say my reads are shit, but town killing? no.

Why are you letting town from your towncore flip so easily?
Oh yes I forgot I control every vote in the game.

I literally created a wagon day 1 to try to save them. Fuck off.

mfw this is wolf theater.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:02 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:57 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:53 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:23 pm I also think that when the game is hard we obviously vote out SPF, but now is not then.
Why SPF? Meta thing? When I've caught SPF before it was due to PoE.
No. *when the game is obviously hard e.g. ive obviously whiffed on most people below SPF*

Why are you voting sig?
Because I'm not confident on you.

Creature is a fine option as well, but I don't think creature is contributing to the theoretical town infighting we are seeing.

Sig can definitely be along for the town in fight ride.
Not contributing to the town infighting literally is what the hypothetical mafia are doing in your hypothetical.

err... Contributing may not have been the correct word. Enabling may be better.

Creature I think has gone against the grain more than Sig.

Don't misinterpret me here, they are both good options and wolfy. I just think the gamestate reflects worse on Sig.

Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:03 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:00 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:35 pm Seanzie/SPF/Falcon does probably in fact contain exactly one wolf was the only thing I gathered overnight.
What generated this list? Again, idk how to catch SPF without a PoE, but if this one is valid we can go from there.
No, we cannot go from there.
The list generated from my brain figuring out that the reason I consider Roxy as town yesterday was because I was missing wolves and therefore that I was probably wrong about some of my townreads.

I see. This makes sense but I agree, not enough to form anything solid that'd lead me to catching SPF at this juncture.

Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:06 pm Sig has been going against the grain by ... shouting at everyone to not follow Alsion's legacy. Did you notice that one?

Aye, but I don't think he actually carried any momentum into that.

If Sig really wanted to make a stink about it they could've.

Just easy enough to say one is right and go 'hey look I was right.' Don't that sound familiar?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:08 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:49 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:15 pm changed my mind overnight and dont think sig is mafia anymore. i think sabi/creature/jack contains at least 2.

think the game is being deepwolfed by probably exactly tutuu/one other player but im interested in just voting out a wolf today regardless of anything else
what wonderful means changed your mind?
mostly that im not sure sig would wear his TMI that roxy was going to flip town so brazenly yesterday, and the way he has consistently come off as being jaded and betrayed by the game feels like a nearly identical perspective to the one that roxy projected at the end of yesterday. roxy and sig were linked in my mind in a number of ways and roxy flipping town increased the chances that sig is town too for a number of reasons

it is possible that im clearing sig too easily but yeah

I honestly think the opposite. Sig would very much be like 'wow I was right' as any alignment. I do really think the argument more is the difference between vehemently opposing the Roxy wagon vs letting it be while still ending on the correct side of history.

like. Sig could've voted Creature.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:02 pm Kinda want to say Seanzie is my ride or die but I havent seen him as wolf so I will just say town for now

Does Seanzie allow a Rondo NK with a post like this out there?

I don't think so unless Rondo was 100% all in as a teammate.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:22 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:19 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:02 pm Kinda want to say Seanzie is my ride or die but I havent seen him as wolf so I will just say town for now
Does Seanzie allow a Rondo NK with a post like this out there?

I don't think so unless Rondo was 100% all in as a teammate.
There are 5 wolves, so no one wolf is going to have a strong veto on NK because of a D1 post. There are better reasons to townread me than this.

Some of the ISO's being fucky if you don't go through the "replies" buttons have me all bugged up here. I was thinking this was a more recent post and was trying to understand.

Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:24 pm How is tutuu being a wolf ignored in all of this.

Is it being ignored?

It's definitely a possibility, but I think it's a gamble I'd be very shaky on.

Tutuu's conviction towards alot of slots could very much be TMI.

The thing that may support this is that all of the slots Tutuu wrs are what I'd think are very *safe* and apply to people that are 1 unfamiliar or 2 often misread.

Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:27 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:24 pm How is tutuu being a wolf ignored in all of this.
In what world is tutuu being ignored?
By Wilgy et. al

The Mac/SPF/Bereft thing is getting pretty old. We're not the only deepwolf candidates in the game.

I agree. Catching the deep wolf at this gamestate feels very risky to potential vocal town.

I think I'd just get the town fighting enablist slanker teammates.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:44 pm OK reveal is over.

I still think creature is wolf.

One in mac/seanzie is a wolf.

Spf might be wolf because she keeps posting wall posts.

Ig the others are jack and maybe wiggles?

Wiggles doesn't seem hype or full of wim. When I wolfed with him he was miserable. He sounds miserable this game.

I miserable for other reasons this game.

But yes I like this analysis. I don't like wolfing in spite of my performance.

Why one in Mac/Seanzie?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:47 pm Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.

Hard for me fam as I think you are basically townfirmed based on Kate.

Also why is SPF wallposting wolf indicative?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:49 pm Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:52 pm [VOTE: sabi] aubergine

Still think this is bad dood.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:53 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:51 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:44 pm OK reveal is over.

I still think creature is wolf.

One in mac/seanzie is a wolf.

Spf might be wolf because she keeps posting wall posts.

Ig the others are jack and maybe wiggles?

Wiggles doesn't seem hype or full of wim. When I wolfed with him he was miserable. He sounds miserable this game.
I miserable for other reasons this game.

But yes I like this analysis. I don't like wolfing in spite of my performance.

Why one in Mac/Seanzie?
From my pov since d3 they both have been steering the thread in different directions.

They also haven't found each other as town (except when Mac has been wolf) which they usually do so like one has to be scum but idk who.

So you've given like... Slight WR on Creature, Jack, Me and SPF.

A dif check in Mac/Seanzie

How are your other suspicions impacted by the dif check possibilities?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:49 pm Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?
I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?
No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

This is a weak shade.

Idk why you brought attention to it if you are just waffling without mentioning that being case.

Like, why ask it in the way you did unless it was purposely to make others think Mac in a negative light FOR you?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:56 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:52 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:47 pm Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.
Hard for me fam as I think you are basically townfirmed based on Kate.

Also why is SPF wallposting wolf indicative?
Because I dealt with wolf spf twice in games (and specced/hosted her numerous times).

Someone on hydra game said something about her views in the game being polarized as wolf. Or something like that.

This at least reassures some minor suspicion that has been suggested at this point?

Have you/can you ISO SPF and let me know what you think?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:59 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:56 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:53 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:51 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:44 pm OK reveal is over.

I still think creature is wolf.

One in mac/seanzie is a wolf.

Spf might be wolf because she keeps posting wall posts.

Ig the others are jack and maybe wiggles?

Wiggles doesn't seem hype or full of wim. When I wolfed with him he was miserable. He sounds miserable this game.
I miserable for other reasons this game.

But yes I like this analysis. I don't like wolfing in spite of my performance.

Why one in Mac/Seanzie?
From my pov since d3 they both have been steering the thread in different directions.

They also haven't found each other as town (except when Mac has been wolf) which they usually do so like one has to be scum but idk who.
So you've given like... Slight WR on Creature, Jack, Me and SPF.

A dif check in Mac/Seanzie

How are your other suspicions impacted by the dif check possibilities?
Uh there's a difference check on jack/creature that I have wavering about because their dynamic together doesn't read w/w but also idk it could be theater.

Honestly idk, I am just trying to throw all my scumreads in a soup and kinda hope it makes sense in terms of dynamics but five member wolf teams are just hard to make sense of dynamics wise

True enough. You feel very waffley in that statement re Jack/Creature but it's weird because it's in the context of "I could be wrong about two wolves" Shouldn't a dif check be slightly more confident?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:03 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:00 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:49 pm Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?
I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?
No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:49 pm Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?
I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?
No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?
This is a weak shade.

Idk why you brought attention to it if you are just waffling without mentioning that being case.
I said it because it’s a thought on my head.

You think wolf Jack’s easiest misyeet atp is Macdougall? Like say what you mean. What do you think is happening here with my posts?

Yes actually. W! Jack could easily identify that Seanzie VS Mac that's currently going on enables momentum towards either side.

I asked you as I didn't find your intention that of hunting for data on Mac, rather just shading.

I believed this to be implied, forgive me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:05 pm Here’s another real thought.

Town Creature will complain about how we’re screwed on D1. It’s D4 with no wolf deaths. Why is he not bitching up a storm?

I've observed this one as well and agree.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:08 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:07 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:03 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:00 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:49 pm Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?
I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?
No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:49 pm Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?
I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?
No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?
This is a weak shade.

Idk why you brought attention to it if you are just waffling without mentioning that being case.
I said it because it’s a thought on my head.

You think wolf Jack’s easiest misyeet atp is Macdougall? Like say what you mean. What do you think is happening here with my posts?
Yes actually. W! Jack could easily identify that Seanzie VS Mac that's currently going on enables momentum towards either side.

I asked you as I didn't find your intention that of hunting for data on Mac, rather just shading.

I believed this to be implied, forgive me.
Oh, I just wanted you to say it so I could say “I don’t think you really think that” and you’re not allowed to call me defensive.

Get rekt, fuzz ball.

Got me

I think I can believe that there's 1 between Jack/Creature.

But man, my gut is screaming that there's one between Sig/Tutuu.

Mainly because I acknowledge that the scenario where I'm wrong about Sig only exists if they are correct about Tutuu I think.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:32 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:54 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:52 pm [VOTE: sabi] aubergine
Still think this is bad dood.
Bad vote, or bad me?

Bad Vote. You are still town.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:30 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:28 am the reason why im scumreading you now (in this moment) is because you just put me in your immediate POE in spite of townreading me consistently throughout the game, and you put bereft in that POE as well even though you have also been townreading bereft, and it feels to me like you are taking advantage of the shitty threadstate to inject more paranoia into the game, and not actually interested in solving or figuring things out
wait a sec how did u write this post in a few seconds?!??! i was just boutta reply to ur first one and then this pops up

did u pre-wrote this post and then hit submit fast?

how much is ur wpm typing speed?

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Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:51 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:55 am i would like people to give me their opinions on wilgy and falcon please
Have not changed from they're clearly unpartnered and would rather vote Wilgy who probably TMI'ed Falcon town.

Falcon's town spew is just playing the game.

I tried to see if I could be wrong or if their meta was possibly going to be used as a "gotcha" in the recent game felt and that worked out horribly. I have no further reason to think Falcon would somehow break his meta at this junction.

Like, just find a game he was wolf in to compare. I'll try to get one later if needed.

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:46 am I was not the one pushing Roxy is obviously in antispew lets kill her, people who actually read my iso wouldve thought Ive was performing sone hedgy BS with respect to my Roxy read and I was clearly advocating for non-Roxy votes until I just gave up due to no one caring.

From those saying Roxy was in anti-spew I noticed SPF and Tutuu. We're there any others to your knowing?

Felt like that would've been another easy means to push, but would wolves double dip on the argument?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:08 pm @DrWilgy dude im begging u vote for dennis. Please

Idk. I still think Dennis is town for reasons as Bereft put. Mostly a vibe tell.

I think there are better pushes than Dennis even if they are wolf.

(Same position I think I put you and SPF currently.)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:46 am @DrWilgy
@Seanzie
@falcon45ca
@Jackofhearts2005
@Creature
@sig

If you had a bullet who would you kill? If you had a vest, who would you shield?

A Sig shot I think would lead the game in the correct direction. Especially on me finding Tutuu. Plus Sig is just likely wolf.

I'd shield you. Falcon doesn't make sense as a NK I think. You've become my other tr that I can't really shake or at least wouldn't shake until much deeper in the game (if we get there).

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:12 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:08 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:46 am I was not the one pushing Roxy is obviously in antispew lets kill her, people who actually read my iso wouldve thought Ive was performing sone hedgy BS with respect to my Roxy read and I was clearly advocating for non-Roxy votes until I just gave up due to no one caring.
From those saying Roxy was in anti-spew I noticed SPF and Tutuu. We're there any others to your knowing?

Felt like that would've been another easy means to push, but would wolves double dip on the argument?
I don't know. It's easy to hide behind a general sense of "Roxy is the obvious hang" which was playing out yesterday.

I agree, but I think that the arguments used to make the wagon validated are important.

If it really was between SPF and Tutuu that used the anti spew argument, then I think we should solve in there, but holy hell idk how I would SPF and Tutuu are hard for my smol brain

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:15 pm Why am I being read for emotion reasons and not for like, my reads? I genuinely feel like everyone is ignoring me now

Block posts are hard for me to hold onto.

It's easier for me to gauge your intent from them, but harder for me to hold data on why. Simply put I need to redo some reading on your slot, but I do not wish to discourage you from doing your thing.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:55 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:28 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:24 pm How is tutuu being a wolf ignored in all of this.
Is it being ignored?

It's definitely a possibility, but I think it's a gamble I'd be very shaky on.

Tutuu's conviction towards alot of slots could very much be TMI.

The thing that may support this is that all of the slots Tutuu wrs are what I'd think are very *safe* and apply to people that are 1 unfamiliar or 2 often misread.
who in the wr's are you thinking of here? and how do you mean "safe"?

I've seen a wr on you, Roxy, Sig, Creature, and even I'm on the list in a 50/50.

I don't think that these players carry a thread weight as much as others we've had and still do (Mac and Seanzie for example). I.e. they are safe.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:46 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:10 pm like. Sig could've voted Creature.
but how do we figure out if sig knows as wolf she's gonna flip town and doesnt vote roxy to look better off wagon and say he told us so, instead of just joining the wagon to confirm a town goes over?

the only thing is that roxy.... was not looking like they were going to keep really playing much. worrying about her not towning up and contributing later in the game if she doesnt flip, even if he thinks she's town, isn't particularly enticing, so

I agree with the later. Roxy's drop off is what had me think "maybe I'm wrong" in spite of that not being of the wolf tells I was looking for.

Creature was I think, a real yeet possibility at 5 votes had some players dropped off Roxy at any point. I think that would've undermined Sig's "I'm correct on Roxy" at the same time maybe put a vote on their teammate.

I don't think we should be playing from "well Roxy was always going over" as that was not the case, Creature had some real momentum at a point in the day.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:24 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:59 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:34 pm

Okay I'm done with you. I pleaded with you to work with me yesterday and you ignored me. I'm burying you today.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
From my POV, you have not tried to work with me at all. I explained my case on you yesterday and you just called it illogical and then got upset and started AtEing. Since you've used similar AtE on me when you were a wolf in the past, you burned the one "I'mma drop it in case this is real town frustration and not manipulative AtE" card you get. I don't think I've been rude to you, and I get how this game can get heated at times, and I believe your frustration is probably genuine, but I also know you expressing frustration in the thread is NAI, so you can't expect me to just change my reads because of it.

Bury away.
You have given me zero opportunity to explain my mindset to you in a way that could persuade you to change your read. I have been very townie. You have been a town killing machine and accusing me of the opposite. You should actually reevaluate me properly if you are town. I made a day 1 solve you quoted and questioned me on that so far has had 3 town flip from my towncore and 0 mafia. Largely players you've pushed. Either you're a cause or complicit in the destruction of the town wincon in this game imo.
I've suspected town, but I have not killed anyone. Who have I pushed that then got chopped because of it?

You can say my reads are shit, but town killing? no.

Why are you letting town from your towncore flip so easily?
Oh yes I forgot I control every vote in the game.

I literally created a wagon day 1 to try to save them. Fuck off.
mfw this is wolf theater.
your face when this is wolf theater

(there's no way)

idk dood. After the Mac v Sabi theater a couple of games ago, I'd put anything on the table from Mac's slot re bickering with teammates.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:19 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:56 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:20 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:17 pm @Seanzie @Creature talk to be about SPF
If there aren't at least two wolves in SPF/Mac/Bereft, the game makes no sense.
What makes this list possible?

I think that there's one wolf between them, but I'd be very surprised to see 2 in these 3.
I don't see the game going the way it has if that group is mostly town.
I disagree.

I think this game is indicative of in fighting between town more so than deep wolf coaching town to do ill. Maybe one is doing so, but not more so.

Thus Jack/Sig I think need to be dealt with at this juncture.
you think jack/sig are causing the most fighting between town??? surely that's not what you're saying lol

Not causing. That's just town being a bunch of dinguses.

Enabling yes.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:29 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:16 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:12 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:08 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:46 am I was not the one pushing Roxy is obviously in antispew lets kill her, people who actually read my iso wouldve thought Ive was performing sone hedgy BS with respect to my Roxy read and I was clearly advocating for non-Roxy votes until I just gave up due to no one caring.
From those saying Roxy was in anti-spew I noticed SPF and Tutuu. We're there any others to your knowing?

Felt like that would've been another easy means to push, but would wolves double dip on the argument?
I don't know. It's easy to hide behind a general sense of "Roxy is the obvious hang" which was playing out yesterday.
I agree, but I think that the arguments used to make the wagon validated are important.

If it really was between SPF and Tutuu that used the anti spew argument, then I think we should solve in there, but holy hell idk how I would SPF and Tutuu are hard for my smol brain
bereft was the very first one to suggest she's in anti spew lmao

This is why I ask these things lol. I'm aware I can miss these facts.

If that opens up the argument to Bereft/SPF/you then I don't think I could solve in those three.

Why would Bereft not indicate this fact and continue to lead me to think otherwise though?

Tutuu over here whispering sweet words of murder into my ears.

Here's the dynamic I've observed.

Creature + Sig is a possible team pairing. Porscha chiming in on me like 3 times after I started going after Sig is noticable but I'm not ready to call it team indicative at this moment. Bereft can fit on this team.

The other end there's a world where it's Jack and Tutuu. The entire dynamic in Jack Tutuu is just so strange to me. Bereft doesn't fit on this team. Dennis doesn't fit on this team.

Does SPF make sense on either of these possibilities? Hell if I know, but I think it's worth sorting so I raise it as a potential discussion point.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:04 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:55 pm SPF, what’s your current solve? Preferably without me in it.
bereft mac lucy town

creature/sabi/jack/tutuu contains 2-4 mafia

wilgy/falcon contains 0-1 mafia

sig/porscha/dennis contains 0-1 mafia

this might be a confusing readslist but sometimes breaking the game into tiers like this is helpful for me

Is Falcon just duping me then?

This whole Wilgy Falcon dynamic that is bothering several people doesn't make sense. Could it not we have a good read on each other?

What arguments have been made to the point of either of us being wrong or deceitful in our reads on e/o?

"sig/porscha/dennis contains 0-1 mafia" doesn't feel like a genuine take either.

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