Cartomancy [Game Over]

[Jackofhearts2005]

I said I wanted to kill Creature yesterday. I said I'd kill Roxy if the towncore said so. And they did so we did.

I'm not avoiding responsibility for that. I voted Roxy. I didn't case someone else.

But thinking it's me and Creature is so blatantly wrong it's kinda gross.

[Bereft]

OMFG

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did you just scumslip
and i just copied the wording

[Bereft]

why the fuck did we shoot Rondo?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sean is starting to ping me. I feel he's laying an undue amount of burden at Mac's feet...and he talks about a rotten towncore, but is he not part of said core? It's not as tho he's been a major wagon or anything

I'm not laying an undue amount of burden at Mac's feet. My burden is with the group {SPF, Mac, Bereft}. I don't think the burden I've placed on that group as a whole is undue.

Of those 3, I choose SPF.

why?

What's your solve right now? Who are your top 3 sus and why plz?

my current view of the game is that i would be mildly surprised if the pool of sabi/creature/jack didn't contain at least two mafia

sabi because sabi is very talented at projecting towniness/solveiness when they are town, and they also have a tendency to get extremely invested into games when they are town and post a lot of content/thoughts without needing to think much about them

whereas sabi here feels a lot more timid, a lot less invested, and it feels like they are choosing their words carefully in the majority of posts that they do make. i think that if sabi was town, it would be eaiser to find them as town right now, which is why i want more pressure on them today in general

creature is in my immediate POE because he fits the archetype of a wolf who has aggressively pushed for the consensus while maintaining a comfortable/protected view in the gamestate. his reads have consistently contained a level of confidence and bravado that do not feel proportional to his solving, and that also do not feel proportional to how creature usually solves games as town

im also pretty convinced that if creature was town he would be throwing a fit about me/mac needing to be deepwolves right now instead of just kind of passively sitting back in the gamestate and voting me without really expressing a particularly coherent view of the game. i think creature's passivity in this gamestate could be explained by him just wanting us to continue burying each other alive

jack because his push on alison on d1 was illogical and bad faith, and the type of stuff he pushed on alison for is not the stuff i think jack!town would care about as someone who was already very familiar with alison. i also think that his primary intention for the last phase has been to pocket me, sit back, and watch us set ourselves on fire

im working it out beyond that but i think bereft/tutuu contains 1 and that it is likely to be tutuu

SPF, if it's me and Creature and the towncore of SPF/Tutuu/Mac is all townies...why the fuck did we shoot Rondo?

Stop being obnoxious.

[Jackofhearts2005]

We shot Rondo because he is the most obvious town and everybody and their momma has been tinfoiling Mac/SPF/Bereft all of yesterday.

If anyone slipped, it's this.

[Sabiplz]

OK reveal is over.

I still think creature is wolf.

One in mac/seanzie is a wolf.

Spf might be wolf because she keeps posting wall posts.

Ig the others are jack and maybe wiggles?

Wiggles doesn't seem hype or full of wim. When I wolfed with him he was miserable. He sounds miserable this game.

[Bereft]

My fault, ignore.

[Sabiplz]

Maybe it's not jack/creature.

One in jack/creature.

Who is the fifth?

Maybe sig or tutuu. I haven't read their isos but just basing off their posts d3

[Sabiplz]

I do hate the Roxy wagon and everyone sheeping Alison read on them but whatever r I'm a sub and I have no opinion.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Part of me wants to just yeet Creature for not being his normal self. Part of me sees him as the most obvious misyeet ever. Game is really really hard.

[Sabiplz]

Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.

[Sabiplz]

@MacDougall why did you at eod yesterday said creature is town and now at sod say creature eis mafia?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.

Help me please?

That’s a question because there’s a question mark at the end.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like I don’t feel Mac legit trying to read me in particular.

[DrWilgy]

OK reveal is over.

I still think creature is wolf.

One in mac/seanzie is a wolf.

Spf might be wolf because she keeps posting wall posts.

Ig the others are jack and maybe wiggles?

Wiggles doesn't seem hype or full of wim. When I wolfed with him he was miserable. He sounds miserable this game.

I miserable for other reasons this game.

But yes I like this analysis. I don't like wolfing in spite of my performance.

Why one in Mac/Seanzie?

[Sabiplz]

Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.

Help me please?

That’s a question because there’s a question mark at the end.

I need help as well.

Can you explain what has happened in this game from your pov please and ty

[DrWilgy]

Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.

Hard for me fam as I think you are basically townfirmed based on Kate.

Also why is SPF wallposting wolf indicative?

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sig being like “ofc we should yeet Robdo for the CC” and then coming in today like “I told you so” when he blatantly told us something incorrect is pretty yuck.

But if Sig is trying to set Rondo up for a misyeet, why shoot Rondo?

[Sabiplz]

OK reveal is over.

I still think creature is wolf.

One in mac/seanzie is a wolf.

Spf might be wolf because she keeps posting wall posts.

Ig the others are jack and maybe wiggles?

Wiggles doesn't seem hype or full of wim. When I wolfed with him he was miserable. He sounds miserable this game.

I miserable for other reasons this game.

But yes I like this analysis. I don't like wolfing in spite of my performance.

Why one in Mac/Seanzie?

From my pov since d3 they both have been steering the thread in different directions.

They also haven't found each other as town (except when Mac has been wolf) which they usually do so like one has to be scum but idk who.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.

Help me please?

That’s a question because there’s a question mark at the end.

I need help as well.

Can you explain what has happened in this game from your pov please and ty

Alison was bad at this game.

Spoiler: show

Im kidding.

Spoiler: show

Sorta

[DrWilgy]

Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?

[Sabiplz]

[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

What the fuck do you want from me

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

Still think this is bad dood.

[Sabiplz]

Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.

Help me please?

That’s a question because there’s a question mark at the end.

I need help as well.

Can you explain what has happened in this game from your pov please and ty

Alison was bad at this game.

Spoiler: show

Im kidding.

Spoiler: show

Sorta

I need your full pov jack.

From the start of the game till now. Exain the game from your pov

[Jackofhearts2005]

Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?

No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

[Sabiplz]

Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.

Hard for me fam as I think you are basically townfirmed based on Kate.

Also why is SPF wallposting wolf indicative?

Because I dealt with wolf spf twice in games (and specced/hosted her numerous times).

Someone on hydra game said something about her views in the game being polarized as wolf. Or something like that.

[DrWilgy]

OK reveal is over.

I still think creature is wolf.

One in mac/seanzie is a wolf.

Spf might be wolf because she keeps posting wall posts.

Ig the others are jack and maybe wiggles?

Wiggles doesn't seem hype or full of wim. When I wolfed with him he was miserable. He sounds miserable this game.

I miserable for other reasons this game.

But yes I like this analysis. I don't like wolfing in spite of my performance.

Why one in Mac/Seanzie?

From my pov since d3 they both have been steering the thread in different directions.

They also haven't found each other as town (except when Mac has been wolf) which they usually do so like one has to be scum but idk who.

So you've given like... Slight WR on Creature, Jack, Me and SPF.

A dif check in Mac/Seanzie

How are your other suspicions impacted by the dif check possibilities?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m on mobile but I might actually answer that later, Sabi, just for you.

[Sabiplz]

OK reveal is over.

I still think creature is wolf.

One in mac/seanzie is a wolf.

Spf might be wolf because she keeps posting wall posts.

Ig the others are jack and maybe wiggles?

Wiggles doesn't seem hype or full of wim. When I wolfed with him he was miserable. He sounds miserable this game.

I miserable for other reasons this game.

But yes I like this analysis. I don't like wolfing in spite of my performance.

Why one in Mac/Seanzie?

From my pov since d3 they both have been steering the thread in different directions.

They also haven't found each other as town (except when Mac has been wolf) which they usually do so like one has to be scum but idk who.

So you've given like... Slight WR on Creature, Jack, Me and SPF.

A dif check in Mac/Seanzie

How are your other suspicions impacted by the dif check possibilities?

Uh there's a difference check on jack/creature that I have wavering about because their dynamic together doesn't read w/w but also idk it could be theater.

Honestly idk, I am just trying to throw all my scumreads in a soup and kinda hope it makes sense in terms of dynamics but five member wolf teams are just hard to make sense of dynamics wise

[DrWilgy]

Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?

No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?

No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

This is a weak shade.

Idk why you brought attention to it if you are just waffling without mentioning that being case.

[DrWilgy]

Like, why ask it in the way you did unless it was purposely to make others think Mac in a negative light FOR you?

[DrWilgy]

Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.

Hard for me fam as I think you are basically townfirmed based on Kate.

Also why is SPF wallposting wolf indicative?

Because I dealt with wolf spf twice in games (and specced/hosted her numerous times).

Someone on hydra game said something about her views in the game being polarized as wolf. Or something like that.

This at least reassures some minor suspicion that has been suggested at this point?

Have you/can you ISO SPF and let me know what you think?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?

No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?

No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

This is a weak shade.

Idk why you brought attention to it if you are just waffling without mentioning that being case.

I said it because it’s a thought on my head.

You think wolf Jack’s easiest misyeet atp is Macdougall? Like say what you mean. What do you think is happening here with my posts?

[staypositivefriend]

I said I wanted to kill Creature yesterday. I said I'd kill Roxy if the towncore said so. And they did so we did.

I'm not avoiding responsibility for that. I voted Roxy. I didn't case someone else.

But thinking it's me and Creature is so blatantly wrong it's kinda gross.

this is not a compelling argument for you and creature not being W/W, considering that roxy was the obvious consensus elimination yesterday from the moment that the day started

there was no real risk of creature dying yesterday (at least to my perception) so pushing on him would also be low-risk if you're W/W

[Sabiplz]

Why the fuck do yall expect high energy and wim sabi when my last town game on here I was ML D2 because I gave up on the game???

@staypositivefriend how does pressuring me forces me to be towny when we all know it does the opposite for me?

Like welcome to less wim sabi. I'm on a mafia break and trying to invest less time and energy into. Games because irl reasons.

Now stop holding me to. Unrealiztic expectations ffs

[Jackofhearts2005]

I said I wanted to kill Creature yesterday. I said I'd kill Roxy if the towncore said so. And they did so we did.

I'm not avoiding responsibility for that. I voted Roxy. I didn't case someone else.

But thinking it's me and Creature is so blatantly wrong it's kinda gross.

this is not a compelling argument for you and creature not being W/W, considering that roxy was the obvious consensus elimination yesterday from the moment that the day started

there was no real risk of creature dying yesterday (at least to my perception) so pushing on him would also be low-risk if you're W/W

Ffs.

[Jackofhearts2005]

We’re so screwed.

[DrWilgy]

OK reveal is over.

I still think creature is wolf.

One in mac/seanzie is a wolf.

Spf might be wolf because she keeps posting wall posts.

Ig the others are jack and maybe wiggles?

Wiggles doesn't seem hype or full of wim. When I wolfed with him he was miserable. He sounds miserable this game.

I miserable for other reasons this game.

But yes I like this analysis. I don't like wolfing in spite of my performance.

Why one in Mac/Seanzie?

From my pov since d3 they both have been steering the thread in different directions.

They also haven't found each other as town (except when Mac has been wolf) which they usually do so like one has to be scum but idk who.

So you've given like... Slight WR on Creature, Jack, Me and SPF.

A dif check in Mac/Seanzie

How are your other suspicions impacted by the dif check possibilities?

Uh there's a difference check on jack/creature that I have wavering about because their dynamic together doesn't read w/w but also idk it could be theater.

Honestly idk, I am just trying to throw all my scumreads in a soup and kinda hope it makes sense in terms of dynamics but five member wolf teams are just hard to make sense of dynamics wise

True enough. You feel very waffley in that statement re Jack/Creature but it's weird because it's in the context of "I could be wrong about two wolves" Shouldn't a dif check be slightly more confident?

[staypositivefriend]

Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.

Hard for me fam as I think you are basically townfirmed based on Kate.

Also why is SPF wallposting wolf indicative?

Because I dealt with wolf spf twice in games (and specced/hosted her numerous times).

Someone on hydra game said something about her views in the game being polarized as wolf. Or something like that.

i told you in a chat a couple of months ago that i tend to wallpost more as a wolf than as town because wallposting makes people townread me more by default. but the read doesn't make sense anyway considering i've made about 2 posts in this game that i would consider to be a "wallpost", unless you think that writing like 3 paragraphs counts as a wall now

also i'm not polarized at all tbh

[Jackofhearts2005]

Here’s another real thought.

Town Creature will complain about how we’re screwed on D1. It’s D4 with no wolf deaths. Why is he not bitching up a storm?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Imma be honest, I don’t know what polarized even means.

[DrWilgy]

Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?

No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?

No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

This is a weak shade.

Idk why you brought attention to it if you are just waffling without mentioning that being case.

I said it because it’s a thought on my head.

You think wolf Jack’s easiest misyeet atp is Macdougall? Like say what you mean. What do you think is happening here with my posts?

Yes actually. W! Jack could easily identify that Seanzie VS Mac that's currently going on enables momentum towards either side.

I asked you as I didn't find your intention that of hunting for data on Mac, rather just shading.

I believed this to be implied, forgive me.

[Sabiplz]

OK reveal is over.

I still think creature is wolf.

One in mac/seanzie is a wolf.

Spf might be wolf because she keeps posting wall posts.

Ig the others are jack and maybe wiggles?

Wiggles doesn't seem hype or full of wim. When I wolfed with him he was miserable. He sounds miserable this game.

I miserable for other reasons this game.

But yes I like this analysis. I don't like wolfing in spite of my performance.

Why one in Mac/Seanzie?

From my pov since d3 they both have been steering the thread in different directions.

They also haven't found each other as town (except when Mac has been wolf) which they usually do so like one has to be scum but idk who.

So you've given like... Slight WR on Creature, Jack, Me and SPF.

A dif check in Mac/Seanzie

How are your other suspicions impacted by the dif check possibilities?

Uh there's a difference check on jack/creature that I have wavering about because their dynamic together doesn't read w/w but also idk it could be theater.

Honestly idk, I am just trying to throw all my scumreads in a soup and kinda hope it makes sense in terms of dynamics but five member wolf teams are just hard to make sense of dynamics wise

True enough. You feel very waffley in that statement re Jack/Creature but it's weird because it's in the context of "I could be wrong about two wolves" Shouldn't a dif check be slightly more confident?

I don't have the upmost confidence it's a difference check.

That's the issue.

I'm trying to look at game from d3 onwards since that's when I was able to live read.

[Sabiplz]

Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.

Hard for me fam as I think you are basically townfirmed based on Kate.

Also why is SPF wallposting wolf indicative?

Because I dealt with wolf spf twice in games (and specced/hosted her numerous times).

Someone on hydra game said something about her views in the game being polarized as wolf. Or something like that.

i told you in a chat a couple of months ago that i tend to wallpost more as a wolf than as town because wallposting makes people townread me more by default. but the read doesn't make sense anyway considering i've made about 2 posts in this game that i would consider to be a "wallpost", unless you think that writing like 3 paragraphs counts as a wall now

also i'm not polarized at all tbh

[Jackofhearts2005]

Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?

No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?

No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

This is a weak shade.

Idk why you brought attention to it if you are just waffling without mentioning that being case.

I said it because it’s a thought on my head.

You think wolf Jack’s easiest misyeet atp is Macdougall? Like say what you mean. What do you think is happening here with my posts?

Yes actually. W! Jack could easily identify that Seanzie VS Mac that's currently going on enables momentum towards either side.

I asked you as I didn't find your intention that of hunting for data on Mac, rather just shading.

I believed this to be implied, forgive me.

Oh, I just wanted you to say it so I could say “I don’t think you really think that” and you’re not allowed to call me defensive.

Get rekt, fuzz ball.

[Sabiplz]

Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.

Hard for me fam as I think you are basically townfirmed based on Kate.

Also why is SPF wallposting wolf indicative?

Because I dealt with wolf spf twice in games (and specced/hosted her numerous times).

Someone on hydra game said something about her views in the game being polarized as wolf. Or something like that.

i told you in a chat a couple of months ago that i tend to wallpost more as a wolf than as town because wallposting makes people townread me more by default. but the read doesn't make sense anyway considering i've made about 2 posts in this game that i would consider to be a "wallpost", unless you think that writing like 3 paragraphs counts as a wall now

also i'm not polarized at all tbh

No but proph said your pov in games are like. Polarized as maf.

You have wrote. More. Wallpost than. That

Stop gaslighting

[DrWilgy]

Here’s another real thought.

Town Creature will complain about how we’re screwed on D1. It’s D4 with no wolf deaths. Why is he not bitching up a storm?

I've observed this one as well and agree.

[DrWilgy]

Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?

No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?

No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

This is a weak shade.

Idk why you brought attention to it if you are just waffling without mentioning that being case.

I said it because it’s a thought on my head.

You think wolf Jack’s easiest misyeet atp is Macdougall? Like say what you mean. What do you think is happening here with my posts?

Yes actually. W! Jack could easily identify that Seanzie VS Mac that's currently going on enables momentum towards either side.

I asked you as I didn't find your intention that of hunting for data on Mac, rather just shading.

I believed this to be implied, forgive me.

Oh, I just wanted you to say it so I could say “I don’t think you really think that” and you’re not allowed to call me defensive.

Get rekt, fuzz ball.

Got me