The Syndicate

But alright, GN and good luck town!

Maybe I'm wrong, but my gut feels pretty right about my gth. Best of luck with that.

Shit, this day did not work as I interpreted it, I thought we were just yeeting the top four at end of half.

I'm glad I'm still alive. I guess since the vote pool is smol now, I'll try to do some ISO's and think about my suspicions.

112 ISO

112 gives Seanzie a SR, Creature a TR, LP a TR, and goes out of their way to make a point of null Nut.

Votes Dizzy without saying anything on the slot.

112 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:44 pm uhh, recanting my seanzie read if it matters at this point

marmot, sabie, dizzy are all good suspects imo

and i could easily see BK as a wolf in this one

Hits 2 of 4 in this with wolftells.

'I really want to like this post, I'll stew on it." - in ref to Dizzy.
First actual commentary on Dizzy from what I've seen other than name drops. I think worth pointing out. Not sure if significant.

The following progression between Dizzy and 112 reads as a towny who feels they caught a wolf. If this is bussing then I think the progression wouldn't look like this.

Votes Bo, Drops a SR on Mac (P&G)

Pao is given a TR

Turns around on the Mac read. Mac is now a TR.

Policy vote on NAA

112 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:34 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:33 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:27 pm also the game just ended where guillo fooled TF out of me as a wolf, and when i realized he was a wolf there, that was part of what spurred my push because I realized almost anything is in his wolf range.

Oof.

alexa/dizzy:
w/w or w/t?

Raising this one again as this one always gets me. I think this is where my read on the dizzy progression is fumbled as I don't read this from a town pov. Alexa is put in the W slot and Dizzy put in the T slot for something that I read as insignificant.

And then 112 drops the Dizzy TR for something else insignificant.

Perhaps the progression earlier was a bus built out of what would've been an attempt at a real read and then the back tracking was stapled onto something that was minor?

112 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:52 pm seanzie was such a blatantly, ridiculously awful wagon that i'm 99% sure everyone who was on it is town

But had a SR on Seanzie earlier.

SR on me because of the Seanzie wagon.

112 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:59 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:40 pm Pulled votes off TSP, MR and the corpse.

Put votes on P&G and C4

That makes [VOTE: 112, C4, Pao, P&G, and Sabie] aubergine

Mmmm... That's a good list right there it is.

Tell me, WIlgy:
how could 112, who was on Dizzy all game, possibly be wolfing?
sense it makes not.

But you weren't on Dizzy all game. You pivoted towards Dizzy's end there.

The Mac read is 'could be wolfing' again. Either 112 doesn't know what to do with Mac or they are on a team. I think I'd yeet either into the sun if one flipped red.

Several posts towards a Falcon SR. 112 is latching onto this one. Just believes the Falcon greencheck on MR in spite of quite abit of falcon sussing.

Interesting point. Sig's shot on Nut isn't even mentioned by 112, even though 112 expressed a point on Nut with no warrant to the point day 1. 112's only mention of Sig is in a vote drop and a statement of 'would be willing to swap off this'

Conclusion on notes:
I can see W in 112. The progression on Dizzy at first was feeling very towny until the bus stopped and turned around. 112 seems to be content stating they were on Dizzy indefinitely when that wasn't the case.
The movement on the Mac read is off. The movement on the Falcon read is off. The lack of Sig mention is off.
There's just alot 'off' to me about 112 that I can see coming from a W source.

Valid vote option today.

Skipping Guillo, too many posts for what time I have allotted.

Hollowkatt ISO

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:07 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:05 pm Hi, my name is DrWilgy, and I am most definitely a doctor.

Hi Marmot, my name is DrWigly, and I am most definitely a doctor.

Didn't realize this was a thing. You need to be stopped.

Votes Falcon. Seems RVS to me.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:27 pm anyways, quick reads:

townies
alexa
guillotina
seanzie
hk
Radish
C4

outed wolf:
falcon b/c he can't get with the humor

Unsubstantiated Player Soup. Sticking to the RVS Falcon Wolf.

Desires to policy on LP.

Explains that Seanzie is a real TR.

Alison TR.

SR on LP. Interesting progression from LP being meme policy into an actual SR. I can read this as towny if the Policy actually had some gut vibes in there that evolved into an actual read.

Goes out of their way to argue Alexa's scumrange w/ilario.

Day passes Marmot.

Adds Alexa and C4 to Phil&G's towncore request in spite of the previous comment towards ilario.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:12 am I'd windmill slam dizzy and mac into my wolf pile b/c they make wolf chat fun

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:05 am I like how ender and dizzy have played the last page or two, guillo hard claiming night vig is nai for him but his attitude reads town to me.

HK and Dizzy were teammates.

I'm going to have to stop there because I have like an hour left before eod and I'd rather catch up on what's going on.

I have 2 more votes, someone at random tell me arguments for C4, TSP, and Guillo.

Further. Someone tell me WHY 112 isn't a wolf. I think after reviewing that slot, I can confidently vote there (even more confidently than sig if that's saying something).

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:01 pm I'm home from work back for EoD. I have 2 votes left trying to figure out what the best option is here.

vibes

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:01 pm I have 2 more votes, someone at random tell me arguments for C4, TSP, and Guillo.

You should decide yourself.

Alright, I'm trying, but don't have time to process all the needed information, this ask was to build that information, not to be smacked down.

Belzy, thoughts on C4, Guillo, and TSP specifically in a clear and concise message please?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:04 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:01 pm I have 2 more votes, someone at random tell me arguments for C4, TSP, and Guillo.

c4 is >rand v IMO

Serious take is reading bits of the arguments over the last few pages makes me think Guillo isn't the way to go
It's basically all wack but it's a really nuanced kind of wack

Would this nuanced wack be rand v or agenda-y for Guillo?

Man, Sig just reads rand t to me.

I know T Sig would make that atrocious shot too.

Not sure how to feel about the slot after skimming their 30 posts.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:07 pm why is wigly isoing someone who's guaranteed to die?
and then why is wigly calling me paired with anyone?

Straight up I am hard claiming 3p vig doctor bpv. I have no associations

Because you don't have the same post count as others.

Few enough for me to read and assess.

Might be able to fit Sabies in now.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:08 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:05 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:04 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:01 pm I have 2 more votes, someone at random tell me arguments for C4, TSP, and Guillo.

c4 is >rand v IMO

Serious take is reading bits of the arguments over the last few pages makes me think Guillo isn't the way to go
It's basically all wack but it's a really nuanced kind of wack

Would this nuanced wack be rand v or agenda-y for Guillo?

IME when Guillo's posting with an agenda it's completely shameless
I imagine he could mix it up but not feeling it here, here it seems like he's genuinely thinking hard about these things

ty

Sabie ISO skim

Pao and Sabie aren't W/W at least.

Man, this is why I always have a hard time reading Sabie, their reads are blocked into paragraphs describing feels more so than reads resulting in having to extrapolate the intention which is off to me. First real read block seems to be like this:
Sloonei TL
Mac SL
Dizzy TL
Ender SL
MR TL

I will say the defensive talk about Dizzy isn't reassuring: "Dizzy was being suspected for the scotty vote and defending marmot but they provided an explanation that was plausible and made sense."

Slams a vote on me and dips

The next day though: "but I scum read wilgy and I wasn't able to be here til right before EOD for irl reasons"

But this is contradictory to what was said about me previously:

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:24 am I mean I guess I can agree that when wilgy is town and participating he does at least have reads. This game so far he has said he planned to find townies to join and his only read was everyone should vote sig when sig hasn't participated. Also marmot did the joke with wilgys intro thing. I would be interested to hear if wilgy has any other thoughts on the game or just continues to not be involved.

Which I interpret as more of a null read.

*concern*

Claims the Shot on Ender... Perhaps this would indicate not W/W with Sig as I don't imagine two teammates both claiming T shots.

Alright, I'm done skimming. I don't know what to think about Sabie. There was some slight Dizzy interactions that make me think W/W compatibility, BUT it also looks like that Sabie is hunting but with limited time available that I can vibe with? I don't think Sabie is teammates with either Pao or Sig... If I had to pick between Sabie and Sig, I still think Sig has a higher chance of being town.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:26 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:23 pm Sabie ISO skim

Pao and Sabie aren't W/W at least.

Man, this is why I always have a hard time reading Sabie, their reads are blocked into paragraphs describing feels more so than reads resulting in having to extrapolate the intention which is off to me. First real read block seems to be like this:
Sloonei TL
Mac SL
Dizzy TL
Ender SL
MR TL

I will say the defensive talk about Dizzy isn't reassuring: "Dizzy was being suspected for the scotty vote and defending marmot but they provided an explanation that was plausible and made sense."

Slams a vote on me and dips

The next day though: "but I scum read wilgy and I wasn't able to be here til right before EOD for irl reasons"

But this is contradictory to what was said about me previously:

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:24 am I mean I guess I can agree that when wilgy is town and participating he does at least have reads. This game so far he has said he planned to find townies to join and his only read was everyone should vote sig when sig hasn't participated. Also marmot did the joke with wilgys intro thing. I would be interested to hear if wilgy has any other thoughts on the game or just continues to not be involved.

Which I interpret as more of a null read.

*concern*

Claims the Shot on Ender... Perhaps this would indicate not W/W with Sig as I don't imagine two teammates both claiming T shots.

Alright, I'm done skimming. I don't know what to think about Sabie. There was some slight Dizzy interactions that make me think W/W compatibility, BUT it also looks like that Sabie is hunting but with limited time available that I can vibe with? I don't think Sabie is teammates with either Pao or Sig... If I had to pick between Sabie and Sig, I still think Sig has a higher chance of being town.

why?

Because Sig didn't defend Dizzy. In what few posts he has I read them as rand v. Because Sabie and Sig aren't on the same team.

Idk. There's not alot to go on when it comes to Sig, but there's enough for me to sus Sabie maybe the best way to describe it.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:26 pm Welp DrWilgy is trying now. Not sure what to make out of it.

Implying I haven't been trying this entire long day cycle.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:30 pm @DrWilgy unless you sell me on voting one of 112/TSP I default to bumping you back into contention because you're clearly not a strong town PR

How do you plead

I don't? I think there's decent evidence for 112 as I've provided above and I don't have enough on TSP.

If you are town you are wrong to vote me and if you are w, well gj. Ya got me!

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:33 pm what i want to know is why anyone would believe a guillo claim?

Because I'm actually a 3p dumplin. Whoever eats me becomes the dumplin king who has to force feed dumplins to other players. The dumplin king and I win if we manage to feed dumplins to 10 players.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:33 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:31 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:53 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:51 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:48 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:46 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:42 pm dya also shot a wolf so idk, maybe don't push on the only 2 people to actually kill wolves

Why are you associating reading someone;s ISO with pushing?

i'm not. you were pushing back at dya earlier

Well he/she pushed me with im focusing on “3p hunting” narrative which is not true.
Both 3p and Mafia are scum, im scum hunting, i want both death.

maybe when you read my iso you'll also get my pronouns correct. I'm a they/them. Did you know there are other options than he/she?

3p aren't scum. they're 3p

3p is scum actually

Town = town
Mafia = scum
3p = scum

Objectively wrong.
3ps can have wincons that align with town such as Survivor who just wants to live or one who can change their alignment to match another player's (like Town of Salem had a Universal Backup that changed wincons to match the role they backedup)

I think I have too much PTSD for any 3p to be left alive, pro town or not.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:35 pm The one thing I'll agree with wilgy on is the assessment that I am trying to squeeze in hunting on limited time and I come in when I can. I wasn't sure on dizzy as I'm not good at reading him. If I were his teammate I would never had killed ender and I would have probably not even talked about him at all if I didn't have to.

Which is at least better than what we are getting from Sig, I'll give you that. I suppose you are correct, I don't see where you claim that if you are W.

I guess I don't see where Sig makes the claim on shooting Nut if he's Wolf either.

Mfw you two are just both town.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:36 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:32 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:30 pm @DrWilgy unless you sell me on voting one of 112/TSP I default to bumping you back into contention because you're clearly not a strong town PR

How do you plead

I don't? I think there's decent evidence for 112 as I've provided above and I don't have enough on TSP.

If you are town you are wrong to vote me and if you are w, well gj. Ya got me!

Okay but suppose I didn't want to find and read that stuff and you only have 45 seconds of my time to convince me in bite-sized pieces

If you are convinced by a 45 second blurb of me stating 112's progression on Dizzy was jank as hell, I have some concerns.

I unvoted Sabie and Sig. I'm having voters block. SOMEONE GIVE ME PILLS!!!

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:40 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:38 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:36 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:32 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:30 pm @DrWilgy unless you sell me on voting one of 112/TSP I default to bumping you back into contention because you're clearly not a strong town PR

How do you plead

I don't? I think there's decent evidence for 112 as I've provided above and I don't have enough on TSP.

If you are town you are wrong to vote me and if you are w, well gj. Ya got me!

Okay but suppose I didn't want to find and read that stuff and you only have 45 seconds of my time to convince me in bite-sized pieces

If you are convinced by a 45 second blurb of me stating 112's progression on Dizzy was jank as hell, I have some concerns.

I mean I wouldn't but have you seen my sig

I'll humbly disagree with your sig then.

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:40 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:39 pm I unvoted Sabie and Sig. I'm having voters block. SOMEONE GIVE ME PILLS!!!

THIIIS IS SOOO ANTI-TOWNY.
Let's lynch this instead

Explain this one to me Pao. How is this anti-towny?

Hesitating towards Sabie and Sig when I want to be correct on who I vote?

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:43 pm So our lynches are

hollowkatt
sig
DrWilgy
TonyStarkPrime

?

As it stands I'll attempt to self pres onto TSP and Sabie.

Still think 112 should go over me.

@alexa you talk to me about 112.

And C4 for that matter.

Here's my legacy if I'm yeeted:

Just throw 112 and JPIC off the boat.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:46 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:22 pm 112
DrWilgy
TonyStarkPrime

Everyone scream orderings of these people at me

TSP fits as deeper wolf type slot. 112 is literally rand to me on how they flip. Wigly seems wolfy, which usually means he's not.

I'm the least wolfy person here.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:47 pm

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:47 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:46 pm [VOTE: UNVOTE TSP VOTE 112] aubergine

Both are scummmyyy IMO

But why 112 > TSP?

TSP was sitting at like 4 all day i think? tabbing into him suddenly at 8 feels like the whole seanzie thing all over again

Kinda agree. I don't understand his case outside of 'too little impact for how many posts he has' Is that it?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:48 pm The Guillo wagon is pure

What makes Dya and JPIC town?

Testing the waters of a Guillo vote.

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:51 pm Okay guys. Save TSP. Get wigly and 112

Ah yes, the team of Wilgy and 112. The indomitable Duo.

You confuse me Pao.

Like enough people I TR are on Guillo to make me think 'maybe this is the thing' as I don't have a read on them personally.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:54 pm Which of 112 and DrWilgy should we save here?

Just promise to flip 112 if you decide to be wrong on me after this lol.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:55 pm how is sabie only at 6 now?

Because I'm hesitating on Sabie.

I SR, but Its such a flimsy SR that I keep saying 'if I'm wrong it's about sabie' in my head.

Let's put Pao in this 8 and try again. I want a redo.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:10 pm I keep seeing DrWilgy pop up in the online list. Why?

Probably because I'm glancing at the thread trying to catch up again before getting pulled away to other things.

What's up with TSP being in the lead? Mechanics?

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:07 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:06 pm What's up with TSP being in the lead? Mechanics?

Falcon claimed a red check





tempted to call this a derp

That'd be a pretty silly derp IMO.

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Kinda ot, kinda explain, why my presence is so hit/miss rn, post Covid fatigue is a motherfucker. Only saying this because I haven't been able to read as much as I want, and I figured Creature with his post on my online presence may be concerned because of it. Feel icky about my misread on 112.

I think Pao still needs to be yeeted.

I was right about Sig being town at least. I'll take that. I'm not sure if that opens my suspicion back up on Sabie or not.

Mainly thing keeping me from Sabie, is a lingering that Pao and Sabie are not W/W

Why me?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 2:57 pm GTH Wilgy/Pao are the likeliest w/w there? Like Pao's sudden/confident push on Wilgy that is just as suddenly dropped in the final minutes could be bussing when they see the momentum onto Wilgy (I can't quite figure out the wagon sizes at the time), and Wilgy has had a super stale SR on Pao for the entire game that has never changed.

Pao hasn't done anything to change my read. They are inconsistent and I don't believe them to be legitimately hunting.

Let's just yeet them. Not I I could yesterday, y'all didn't let them in top 8.

Also your analysis of my gameplay is incorrect. Just based on my general behavior and trends, I'd think from an outside perspective that I'm more likely to be bussing Sabie if I was a wolf as I wavered. I'm not really good at bussing, I'm much better at flinging shit at the walls and creating chaos when I get bussed as wolf.

Also asking for a w game and a t game to compare how I play would likely leave you without much. I'm just bad at both roles and get carried by my team.

I believe I've told Mac this before, but if you want to consistently catch me as wolf it's because I'm dodging important questions.

I still think there is a W in Pao/Sabie, but not both.

I think there are only 3-4 people that can read me well enough to *confidently* catch me wolfin. One of those people haven't done so yet this game. If anything that should indicate me as town, but I'm surprised this person hasn't just called me town yet. Pondering that one.

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 5:53 pm Wilgy, Sloonei, Creature are 3 wolves poe clamped and dining out on me imo.

I don't think I've been hard pressed on your spot. Do you feel like I've been?

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:25 pm IMO Wilgy/Paopan are both good candidates for vig shot in the POE

Just fuck my shit up fam

I thought I had explained eod1?

My goal was to make myself a target because of my role.

It didn't work.

Now I hunt normally.

That should dodge soup while explaining.

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:40 pm I don't get why Sloonei keeps getting excluded from POE though?

He's cute.

Idk, I feel like he's been towny.

I don't think he should be allowed to lylo if we feel we are close, but I'm kinda in the same spot.