GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Guillotine]

ergo Gullio likely has information the rest of us don't about what these 3ps are.

Yah i have. Math. Game started with 33 players. There are 7 confirmed mafia, 21 players must be town for the 3:1 ratio.
Also we’ve seen vanillas flipped, do this is not a role madness game where town gotta have more than the allotted normal to vompensate. That’s 28 players… what about the other 5 then?
Unless HK is a solo 3P and there are more like him, there gotta be another group scum, maybe a cult.

Where does it say there is an exactly 3:1 ratio?
5 3ps seems really high.

If i know anything about Nanook as a host is that he is the opposite of me when designing unconventional games. He cares about balance. 3:1 is the ratio for balance in a non role madness set up

[DrWilgy]

Welp DrWilgy is trying now. Not sure what to make out of it.

Implying I haven't been trying this entire long day cycle.

[Sloonei]

Making snap decisions really cost us D1 so I'd stay away from making last minute shifts.

Yeah but I wasn’t here then.

[Justplayingitcool]

Wiggly's conclusion is pretty much the same as neeko's but Neeko thinks Sabie is far more likely to be Town than Sig just by virtue that they are the only night vigilante claim in the game versus like 5 dayvigs.

That and sabie's shot choice was a more reasonable decision

[LinearPoint]

Making snap decisions really cost us D1 so I'd stay away from making last minute shifts.

Neeko can agree with this, but we need to decide sooner than later which of wiggly and 112 is going to be lynched.
Unless you suggest we push one of the lower 3 up to the top.

Neeko still hasn't seen a case made on 112 and Wiggly is a bit back and forth.

[Belzy]

dya also shot a wolf so idk, maybe don't push on the only 2 people to actually kill wolves

Why are you associating reading someone;s ISO with pushing?

i'm not. you were pushing back at dya earlier

Well he/she pushed me with im focusing on “3p hunting” narrative which is not true.
Both 3p and Mafia are scum, im scum hunting, i want both death.

maybe when you read my iso you'll also get my pronouns correct. I'm a they/them. Did you know there are other options than he/she?

3p aren't scum. they're 3p

3p is scum actually

Town = town
Mafia = scum
3p = scum

[dyachei]

sabie more likely to be town than other names in the list

[Creature]

sabie12
Voters: DrWilgy, alexa, sig, 112, Sloonei, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Paopan, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria

Sloonei looks really bad here if sabie flips town vig. I don't think Sloobei easily allows the town vig to be killed.

There are probably other wolf names that I'm failing to discern if wolf or dumb town.

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy unless you sell me on voting one of 112/TSP I default to bumping you back into contention because you're clearly not a strong town PR

How do you plead

I don't? I think there's decent evidence for 112 as I've provided above and I don't have enough on TSP.

If you are town you are wrong to vote me and if you are w, well gj. Ya got me!

[Justplayingitcool]

dya also shot a wolf so idk, maybe don't push on the only 2 people to actually kill wolves

Why are you associating reading someone;s ISO with pushing?

i'm not. you were pushing back at dya earlier

Well he/she pushed me with im focusing on “3p hunting” narrative which is not true.
Both 3p and Mafia are scum, im scum hunting, i want both death.

maybe when you read my iso you'll also get my pronouns correct. I'm a they/them. Did you know there are other options than he/she?

3p aren't scum. they're 3p

3p is scum actually

Town = town
Mafia = scum
3p = scum

Semantics

[dyachei]

dya also shot a wolf so idk, maybe don't push on the only 2 people to actually kill wolves

Why are you associating reading someone;s ISO with pushing?

i'm not. you were pushing back at dya earlier

Well he/she pushed me with im focusing on “3p hunting” narrative which is not true.
Both 3p and Mafia are scum, im scum hunting, i want both death.

maybe when you read my iso you'll also get my pronouns correct. I'm a they/them. Did you know there are other options than he/she?

3p aren't scum. they're 3p

3p is scum actually

Town = town
Mafia = scum
3p = scum

guess it depends on your community. I've never considered them scum

wolves are scum. 3p often have independent win conditions

[Paopan]

I like both. But if you can only choose one between 112 and Wigly. We chop 112

[Guillotine]

I wouldn't bank the game on Guillotine being town. I just think it would be more optimal for someone to shoot him tomorrow because he claimed public cop of killer.

So you think i have a role that outs my killer’s alignment resulting on inno childing someone or outing them and consequently changing the dynamics of the game at the cost of my own life… as scum?

[Creature]

Welp DrWilgy is trying now. Not sure what to make out of it.

Implying I haven't been trying this entire long day cycle.

No, you sort of disappeared halfway through the second phase and I thought you gave up

[Paopan]

I think TSP
[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

[dyachei]

what i want to know is why anyone would believe a guillo claim?

[LinearPoint]

dya also shot a wolf so idk, maybe don't push on the only 2 people to actually kill wolves

Why are you associating reading someone;s ISO with pushing?

i'm not. you were pushing back at dya earlier

Well he/she pushed me with im focusing on “3p hunting” narrative which is not true.
Both 3p and Mafia are scum, im scum hunting, i want both death.

maybe when you read my iso you'll also get my pronouns correct. I'm a they/them. Did you know there are other options than he/she?

3p aren't scum. they're 3p

3p is scum actually

Town = town
Mafia = scum
3p = scum

Objectively wrong.
3ps can have wincons that align with town such as Survivor who just wants to live or one who can change their alignment to match another player's (like Town of Salem had a Universal Backup that changed wincons to match the role they backedup)

[Sloonei]

sabie12
Voters: DrWilgy, alexa, sig, 112, Sloonei, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Paopan, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria

Sloonei looks really bad here if sabie flips town vig. I don't think Sloobei easily allows the town vig to be killed.

There are probably other wolf names that I'm failing to discern if wolf or dumb town.

What

[Creature]

I wouldn't bank the game on Guillotine being town. I just think it would be more optimal for someone to shoot him tomorrow because he claimed public cop of killer.

So you think i have a role that outs my killer’s alignment resulting on inno childing someone or outing them and consequently changing the dynamics of the game at the cost of my own life… as scum?

No, but a shot on you will be more helpful than a lynch in the world you're town.

[Belzy]

dya also shot a wolf so idk, maybe don't push on the only 2 people to actually kill wolves

Why are you associating reading someone;s ISO with pushing?

i'm not. you were pushing back at dya earlier

Well he/she pushed me with im focusing on “3p hunting” narrative which is not true.
Both 3p and Mafia are scum, im scum hunting, i want both death.

maybe when you read my iso you'll also get my pronouns correct. I'm a they/them. Did you know there are other options than he/she?

3p aren't scum. they're 3p

3p is scum actually

Town = town
Mafia = scum
3p = scum

guess it depends on your community. I've never considered them scum

wolves are scum. 3p often have independent win conditions

In almost every game 3p and town are each other enemy and cannot win together, despite 3p pretending to be able to win along town, it is usually a lie. Never trust 3p, they are scum.

[Sloonei]

what i want to know is why anyone would believe a guillo claim?

Does he have a habit of elaborate fake claims?

[DrWilgy]

what i want to know is why anyone would believe a guillo claim?

Because I'm actually a 3p dumplin. Whoever eats me becomes the dumplin king who has to force feed dumplins to other players. The dumplin king and I win if we manage to feed dumplins to 10 players.

[sabie12]

The one thing I'll agree with wilgy on is the assessment that I am trying to squeeze in hunting on limited time and I come in when I can. I wasn't sure on dizzy as I'm not good at reading him. If I were his teammate I would never had killed ender and I would have probably not even talked about him at all if I didn't have to.

[Creature]

sabie12
Voters: DrWilgy, alexa, sig, 112, Sloonei, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Paopan, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria

Sloonei looks really bad here if sabie flips town vig. I don't think Sloobei easily allows the town vig to be killed.

There are probably other wolf names that I'm failing to discern if wolf or dumb town.

What

Are you the type of town player to lynch an uncounterclaimed vig claimer?

[Belzy]

dya also shot a wolf so idk, maybe don't push on the only 2 people to actually kill wolves

Why are you associating reading someone;s ISO with pushing?

i'm not. you were pushing back at dya earlier

Well he/she pushed me with im focusing on “3p hunting” narrative which is not true.
Both 3p and Mafia are scum, im scum hunting, i want both death.

maybe when you read my iso you'll also get my pronouns correct. I'm a they/them. Did you know there are other options than he/she?

3p aren't scum. they're 3p

3p is scum actually

Town = town
Mafia = scum
3p = scum

Objectively wrong.
3ps can have wincons that align with town such as Survivor who just wants to live or one who can change their alignment to match another player's (like Town of Salem had a Universal Backup that changed wincons to match the role they backedup)

But those moments are rare. Town should better be safe than sorry and never trust 3p who always lie

[dyachei]

Why are you associating reading someone;s ISO with pushing?

i'm not. you were pushing back at dya earlier

Well he/she pushed me with im focusing on “3p hunting” narrative which is not true.
Both 3p and Mafia are scum, im scum hunting, i want both death.

maybe when you read my iso you'll also get my pronouns correct. I'm a they/them. Did you know there are other options than he/she?

3p aren't scum. they're 3p

3p is scum actually

Town = town
Mafia = scum
3p = scum

guess it depends on your community. I've never considered them scum

wolves are scum. 3p often have independent win conditions

In almost every game 3p and town are each other enemy and cannot win together, despite 3p pretending to be able to win along town, it is usually a lie. Never trust 3p, they are scum.

this has not been my experience. Yes there are 3p that cant win with town, but it's certainly not every game or almost every game

[DrWilgy]

dya also shot a wolf so idk, maybe don't push on the only 2 people to actually kill wolves

Why are you associating reading someone;s ISO with pushing?

i'm not. you were pushing back at dya earlier

Well he/she pushed me with im focusing on “3p hunting” narrative which is not true.
Both 3p and Mafia are scum, im scum hunting, i want both death.

maybe when you read my iso you'll also get my pronouns correct. I'm a they/them. Did you know there are other options than he/she?

3p aren't scum. they're 3p

3p is scum actually

Town = town
Mafia = scum
3p = scum

Objectively wrong.
3ps can have wincons that align with town such as Survivor who just wants to live or one who can change their alignment to match another player's (like Town of Salem had a Universal Backup that changed wincons to match the role they backedup)

I think I have too much PTSD for any 3p to be left alive, pro town or not.

[Justplayingitcool]

The one thing I'll agree with wilgy on is the assessment that I am trying to squeeze in hunting on limited time and I come in when I can. I wasn't sure on dizzy as I'm not good at reading him. If I were his teammate I would never had killed ender and I would have probably not even talked about him at all if I didn't have to.

What was your reason for killing ender again?

[dyachei]

what i want to know is why anyone would believe a guillo claim?

Does he have a habit of elaborate fake claims?

yes

[Paopan]

CHOOO CHOOO ON TSP GUYYS

[Paopan]

Ditch C4, 112, and Wigly

I think it's TSP

[dyachei]

im not even saying dont elim the outed 3p. I'm just saying we should care more about wolves, who are by definition anti town

[c4e5g3d5]

@DrWilgy unless you sell me on voting one of 112/TSP I default to bumping you back into contention because you're clearly not a strong town PR

How do you plead

I don't? I think there's decent evidence for 112 as I've provided above and I don't have enough on TSP.

If you are town you are wrong to vote me and if you are w, well gj. Ya got me!

Okay but suppose I didn't want to find and read that stuff and you only have 45 seconds of my time to convince me in bite-sized pieces

[Guillotine]

what i want to know is why anyone would believe a guillo claim?

Because i dares Alexa yo shoot me when i knew she had a gun and she was scumreading me before i claimed it and i dont trade 1 for 1 as a wolf.

[Belzy]

i'm not. you were pushing back at dya earlier

Well he/she pushed me with im focusing on “3p hunting” narrative which is not true.
Both 3p and Mafia are scum, im scum hunting, i want both death.

maybe when you read my iso you'll also get my pronouns correct. I'm a they/them. Did you know there are other options than he/she?

3p aren't scum. they're 3p

3p is scum actually

Town = town
Mafia = scum
3p = scum

guess it depends on your community. I've never considered them scum

wolves are scum. 3p often have independent win conditions

In almost every game 3p and town are each other enemy and cannot win together, despite 3p pretending to be able to win along town, it is usually a lie. Never trust 3p, they are scum.

this has not been my experience. Yes there are 3p that cant win with town, but it's certainly not every game or almost every game

Maybe we played in different games then

[Sloonei]

sabie12
Voters: DrWilgy, alexa, sig, 112, Sloonei, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Paopan, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria

Sloonei looks really bad here if sabie flips town vig. I don't think Sloobei easily allows the town vig to be killed.

There are probably other wolf names that I'm failing to discern if wolf or dumb town.

What

Are you the type of town player to lynch an uncounterclaimed vig claimer?

We have had a bazillion deaths in this game. I don’t think all of them were triggered by town roles.

[DrWilgy]

The one thing I'll agree with wilgy on is the assessment that I am trying to squeeze in hunting on limited time and I come in when I can. I wasn't sure on dizzy as I'm not good at reading him. If I were his teammate I would never had killed ender and I would have probably not even talked about him at all if I didn't have to.

Which is at least better than what we are getting from Sig, I'll give you that. I suppose you are correct, I don't see where you claim that if you are W.

I guess I don't see where Sig makes the claim on shooting Nut if he's Wolf either.

Mfw you two are just both town.

[Belzy]

im not even saying dont elim the outed 3p. I'm just saying we should care more about wolves, who are by definition anti town

I get that

[Guillotine]

im not even saying dont elim the outed 3p. I'm just saying we should care more about wolves, who are by definition anti town

And who is saying otherwise, all im saying is eliminate everything that does not have a town win con

[Justplayingitcool]

I think Ilario's assessment of guillo is correct in that they were aiming to pocket him

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy unless you sell me on voting one of 112/TSP I default to bumping you back into contention because you're clearly not a strong town PR

How do you plead

I don't? I think there's decent evidence for 112 as I've provided above and I don't have enough on TSP.

If you are town you are wrong to vote me and if you are w, well gj. Ya got me!

Okay but suppose I didn't want to find and read that stuff and you only have 45 seconds of my time to convince me in bite-sized pieces

If you are convinced by a 45 second blurb of me stating 112's progression on Dizzy was jank as hell, I have some concerns.

[dyachei]

im not even saying dont elim the outed 3p. I'm just saying we should care more about wolves, who are by definition anti town

And who is saying otherwise, all im saying is eliminate everything that does not have a town win con

when you encourage people to 3p hunt, it takes away from hunting wolves, guillo. you are encouraging people to 3p hunt. it's bad play

[Creature]

sabie12
Voters: DrWilgy, alexa, sig, 112, Sloonei, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Paopan, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria

Sloonei looks really bad here if sabie flips town vig. I don't think Sloobei easily allows the town vig to be killed.

There are probably other wolf names that I'm failing to discern if wolf or dumb town.

What

Are you the type of town player to lynch an uncounterclaimed vig claimer?

We have had a bazillion deaths in this game. I don’t think all of them were triggered by town roles.

SABIE IS LITERALLY THE ONLY PLAYER TO HAVE CLAIMED A NIGHTKILL BESIDES THE OUTED 3P

IF YOU THINK ONE OF THE VIGGERS IS WOLF THEN IT MUST BE ONE OF THE MANY DAYVIGGERS

LIKE WHERE DID DYA, ILARIO, SIG, WHATEVER RECEIVED ALL THEIR DAYVIGS?

[DrWilgy]

I unvoted Sabie and Sig. I'm having voters block. SOMEONE GIVE ME PILLS!!!

[Creature]

sabie12
Voters: DrWilgy, alexa, sig, 112, Sloonei, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Paopan, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria

Sloonei looks really bad here if sabie flips town vig. I don't think Sloobei easily allows the town vig to be killed.

There are probably other wolf names that I'm failing to discern if wolf or dumb town.

What

Are you the type of town player to lynch an uncounterclaimed vig claimer?

We have had a bazillion deaths in this game. I don’t think all of them were triggered by town roles.

SABIE IS LITERALLY THE ONLY PLAYER TO HAVE CLAIMED A NIGHTKILL BESIDES THE OUTED 3P

IF YOU THINK ONE OF THE VIGGERS IS WOLF THEN IT MUST BE ONE OF THE MANY DAYVIGGERS

LIKE WHERE DID DYA, ILARIO, SIG, WHATEVER RECEIVED ALL THEIR DAYVIGS?

Obligatory don't out your role today especially if you're not up for lynch

[Master Radishes]

Vote Guillo you cowards

[c4e5g3d5]

@DrWilgy unless you sell me on voting one of 112/TSP I default to bumping you back into contention because you're clearly not a strong town PR

How do you plead

I don't? I think there's decent evidence for 112 as I've provided above and I don't have enough on TSP.

If you are town you are wrong to vote me and if you are w, well gj. Ya got me!

Okay but suppose I didn't want to find and read that stuff and you only have 45 seconds of my time to convince me in bite-sized pieces

If you are convinced by a 45 second blurb of me stating 112's progression on Dizzy was jank as hell, I have some concerns.

I mean I wouldn't but have you seen my sig

[Sloonei]

Vote Guillo you cowards

Already am

[Paopan]

I unvoted Sabie and Sig. I'm having voters block. SOMEONE GIVE ME PILLS!!!

THIIIS IS SOOO ANTI-TOWNY.
Let's lynch this instead

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy unless you sell me on voting one of 112/TSP I default to bumping you back into contention because you're clearly not a strong town PR

How do you plead

I don't? I think there's decent evidence for 112 as I've provided above and I don't have enough on TSP.

If you are town you are wrong to vote me and if you are w, well gj. Ya got me!

Okay but suppose I didn't want to find and read that stuff and you only have 45 seconds of my time to convince me in bite-sized pieces

If you are convinced by a 45 second blurb of me stating 112's progression on Dizzy was jank as hell, I have some concerns.

I mean I wouldn't but have you seen my sig

I'll humbly disagree with your sig then.