Is it that foreign to LC? I've played several games with them here before this.
Why does wolf LC not just vote you when you asked for it and not risk the final hour vote in the first place?
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Is it that foreign to LC? I've played several games with them here before this.
Fine, fair enough.
And I did see what I thought to be T Tutuu d1. That made sense to me here.
But that's the thing though, I'm not scumreading you for perceived optimal play. I want to know WHY it is optimal. This post helped me alittle, but futher validation is required when solving your slot. Chances I've provided to figure out your slot have been met with nothing but resistance, even when I questioned you trying to keep me in the PoE for unexplained reasons earlier in the game. It's a pattern and at this juncture, especially following the tonal change following HK's flip, it screams agenda based play to me.tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:37 am i am exhausted due to the clash of perceived optimal play. i acknowledge that u and daisy believe in solving by yourselves and playing normally. i dont, not in this gamestate. im tired of the debate, its repeating the same stuff over and over. you two scumreading me when you are wrong and im town doesnt help me put more faith in believing you two to be parsing the game correctly. it incentivizes me more to be stubborn in my decision of whats the play here
LC isn't town if Tutuu isn't town, those were independent thoughts on the if x is town I didn't parse. Should've been if Tutuu and LC are town...
Si
Oh do tell?Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:28 pmew tbh mister wilgyDrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:46 pm [VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine
@fingersplints do you need sometime to cook and would allowing you to review the game over the weekend get you there?
Where I think you may become solvable if you put in the energy, if Tutuu's argument is 'I'm gonna sheep regardless of how many times you've plead for me to work with you and validate the actual gamestate,' then I don't think the slot is solvable.
Would make more sense if you said we were trying to jointly pocket a lost town that everyone seems to be gunning for, but that wouldn't ever be your argument right?tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:36 pmBecause ud be wolfingpyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:34 pmif Lime Coke is town then why are Wilgy and I partners trying to save Lime Coketutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:33 pmNope, i said one of u could be town. Ik theres 2 scum. Even LC could be the town
But those aren't your thoughts. We are pretty far from the Seanzie legacy at this point, the PoE has shifted dramatically. Kate's 'legacy' also didn't even really constitute much following the extension, see 'I haven't had time to play much in 24 hours.'tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:12 pmKate and Sean wanted him dead more than they wanted u two deadpyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:11 pmIf you think that Wilgy and I are bad, then that's the team.tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:06 pm We can afford 2 mischops. We lose on the 3rd.
Kates legacy is Lime Coke, Wilgy, Pyxxy. She townread everyone else
Id bet the game on her last reads
And Id chop in this order
Pyxxy and wilgy being unfased at just killing a villager yesterday (belzy) - which weny against both seans and kates legacies - and now them wanting to kill me, another villager, and another townread of both kate and sean - makes me believe wilgy and pyx are not working in towns best interest
So LC > Wilgy > Pyx is how id chop and i urge u guys to vote in this order
So why is Lime Coke still your priority?
I can rationalize why but want to hear your thoughts.
I don't think that was you imo. However, I don't see a scenario where you say no to killing the townfirm at the request of a teammate.
I'm wishing you the best my friend.fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 12:52 pm Sorry guys, my brain has been occupied elsewhere and am struggling to get back in atm
Can answer any questions to the best of my ability
Fair enough I guess. Do you have any real opinions about Pyxxy?tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:20 amI wanted to see his responseDrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:19 amI'm aware, but what is even the point of discussing this with pyxxy as if it has merit?
From pyxxy's perspective W or T, the arguments are moot. For your own solving you'd see this as moot as well, so what is the point?
I don't know what my brain was doing as I was making this note.Nooks wagon still doesn't seem like it should be pure in composition, and I'm still hard pressed to see W Daisy this game but I could be wrong. Falcon's recent argument pro Porscha makes sense.
D1:
Nanook 4
Voters: Belzy, Porscha, Spacedaisy, Caitlin
Pyxxy 4
Voters: tutuu, DrWilgy, Lime Coke, fingersplints
HK 2
Voters: Nanook, Seanzie
Tutuu 1
Voters: pyxxy
Kate 1
Voters: Roxy
Baker 1
Voters: falcon45ca
Not Voting 2
Voters: HK, Kate
D2:
Belzy 3
Voters: Wilgy, Roxy, Pyxxy
Lime Coke 3
Voters: Tutuu, Falcon, Kate
Tutuu 2
Voters: Daisy, Porscha
Splints 1
Voters: Lime Coke
Porscha 1
Voters: Belzy
Not Voting 0 (I'm pretty sure this is correct)
I'm aware, but what is even the point of discussing this with pyxxy as if it has merit?
Aye this.Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:45 amwait when did I go after you lolLime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 8:06 pmI flat out think her trying to go against the Seanzie legacy, only to immediately start going after me anyways, wasn't a great look imo and should be scrutinized with as much fortitude as possible.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 8:05 pmLet's talk about it. What are your concerns? What's irkin' ya in their ISO?
Do you have any significant thoughts on the crosses I did?
My friend, you've been playing musical chairs regarding town legacies all game swapping from one to another in ad nauseum. Where are YOUR reads? You've said I'm wolf 5 times now without anything behind it. It really starts to feel hollow when on loop.
This take feels disingenuous. As your framing a vote that had no impact as if it was a magical push to keep HK alive. I was on HK and HK was a fine vote, but they weren't going over.
HK hard to readtutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:54 pm i dunno hkatt's tells despite seeing him as both alignments multiple times so it'll be hard. same for kate
wilgy pyxxy nook falcon were the ppl i referred to as unreadable for me earlier. but now i decided im townreading falcon every game
i hope i can get a read on everyone else im not particularly worried i'll struggle. but i'll struggle a lot with those 6 5 names
Votes HK for inability to find vs postcount.
HK hard to read x2
Baker suspicion based on HK's inquirytutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:52 pmim debating if i should continue trusting my baker townread or if i should townread hkatt here and trust him that baker is scummy. not sure whats the playhollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:54 pm catching up through p200 and all I learned was that Baker is a wolf.
HK hard to read x3
votes HK again
Pyxxy HK not W/W
HK hard to read x4. Positions HK lower on the rainbow where Pyxxy is W at the same time doesn't declare HK as T. This feels gross, as if HK's placement and explanation are both unnatural.tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:08 am tutuu
cait - obv town, tons of posting, frustrated at getting scumread by falcon
belzy - obv town, imo exhausting questions due to diligence due to being town
falcon - obv town, should always be townread, diligence, theres solving
daisy - i think her tone is rly towny; non-chalant; rejected a townread due tone
porscha - i think town due to being chill; porscha is prone to being perpetually anxious; as scum she'd struggle hiding it more
sean - i think town due to the normal town sean where he makes up some reads and lies about being confident about them. that's what he's done every single town game so no reason to doubt it. i havent seen him copy it as scum in the 2 scum games ive seen of him. i also thought that his thoughts were interesting on tutuu/cait/wilgy being w/w/w even tho its pretty off and pretty pepe silvia
roxy - just town due to tone, seems consistent with past town games, i dig her reads too
wilgy - i dunno how to read him
finger - i dunno how to read her
kate - i dunno how to read her this game
baker - i had some towny pings but a lot of ppl are expressing a scumread so i need to take baker out. potentially whiteknighted town!cait from town!falcon
nook - i dunno how to read him
hkatt - i dunno how to read him. similar to baker. gut i wanna say town but he seems pretty calm and cordial which is generally scummy especially for hkatt imo and also im taking into account the scumreads placed onto him so im rejecting my gut townread here
pyx - i think he saw the v/v wagons at hkatt and kate and didnt want the heat and placed vote onto v!daisy. daisy is obv town for me but she can also be not a too difficult mischop for mafia here as her townyness isnt shown in the standard / expected way of a town to show, its an easy vote to make on daisy here. i hated it
i personally dont think pyxxy is w/w with hkatt and w/w with kate, as i predict that pyxxy would be bussing them if he's mafia, as he loves bussing in general + recent game mafia bussed hardcore and stole a won game from town so he'd be biased to bus even more imo
explains hk in PoE as a fill in for evolving poe I assume?
HK pos 2 over Kate but under pyxxy.
!! This is weird and I didn't catch this until now !!
This explanation was provided after voting for daisy, not HK.tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:38 pmbut pyxxy hasnt seen me be vocal about suggesting we sheep dead villagers, or has anyone elsehollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:26 pm About the only reason pyxxy would have killed seanzie there is to lock in the reads so that someone like you would absolutely sheep them
thinking pyx is mafia is just overthinking it
me and sean were both consensus town, me a bit more
sean had pyx as top town. i had pyx as top scum
sean died. not me
ergo i think pyx should be town here. i was left alive to mischop pyx. since i was yelling a lot yesterday that pyx is mafia
HK once again close to the bottom, but not there.
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:49 pmwell yea he still is for me
HK still PoE in spite of being 2nd d1.
votes HK
Pulls HK out of PoE re HK v Kate.
Calls Seanzie's initial take of Tutuu, Cait and I spicy. Seems encouraging of this team Seanzie put out.
HK discusses wolves in baker, cait, falc to Tutuu while being unprompted.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:16 pmtutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:52 pmim debating if i should continue trusting my baker townread or if i should townread hkatt here and trust him that baker is scummy. not sure whats the playhollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:54 pm catching up through p200 and all I learned was that Baker is a wolf.I think it's safe to say there's minimum one wolf between baker, cait, and falcon
Gives an obvtown to Tutuu.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:44 pmMostly D1 is about finding townies more than it is finding wolves. If I can find a list of people I don't want to kill then (assuming I'm not bassackwards) all I need to do is chop everyone else yeah?Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:16 pm Hollowkatt and Nanook also realistically prob contains a mafia; both make a read once in a blue moon - usually without explanation - and also either aren't voting or still have their first vote out there
Looking at Nanook more here because Hollowkatt had a townier start. I feel like town!Nanook would have done more atp, whereas mafia!Nanook could just let this thread state be bad
atm I'm good with tutuu, they're obvs. Baker was a sussy baka during their catch up.
Seanzie I am withholding a read on. Mostly b/c he hasn't asked for one. I think you're probably town and if so Falcon/Baker look more sus b/c of the way they're pushing on you (lhf/fluffy basically) which when it's the bulk of the case either comes from a wolf or comes from someone who's not really grokking the game. Either way it's a place to look.
Belzy I think is also town.
why do you say that?Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:17 pmBlast this the moment there's an indication Baker & Falcon are TvThollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:16 pmtutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:52 pmim debating if i should continue trusting my baker townread or if i should townread hkatt here and trust him that baker is scummy. not sure whats the playhollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:54 pm catching up through p200 and all I learned was that Baker is a wolf.I think it's safe to say there's minimum one wolf between baker, cait, and falcon
State's Tutuu's vote on them is opportunistic. Which is oddish. Generally we'd see that out of a W pushing T, but here it's towny opportunism.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:54 pmmostly I'm used to carrying wagons early in the game so I don't typically pay much attention to them. Nanook is going to vote me and park there it's a thing he's done basically since our champs game last year. Tutuu had an opportunistic vote but the rest of their content has been super townie so I don't really care about that either. Wigly is random and does whatever he wants to do, again it's just kind of a thing that exists.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pmIt’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.
I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.
Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.
In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.
Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.
Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.
Finally there's Caitlin who is what I consider the only legit vote I'm carrying as her suspicion is at least explained and understandable.
ultimately it's a 4 vote wagon with one auto, one rando, one opportunistic, and one legit vote. Not a thing I'd actually concern myself with.
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:17 pmso I may have lost track of what day it was yesterday soz about that. Tutuu why did you want me to vote pyxxy?
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:21 pmbecause of this:tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:18 pmi thought he's mafia but that was false alarm dw he's townhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:17 pmso I may have lost track of what day it was yesterday soz about that. Tutuu why did you want me to vote pyxxy??
or is there something else you've found that you liked about them?
More interactions with Tutuu that appear to just be 'lets look like I'm hunting busy work'hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:26 pmAbout the only reason pyxxy would have killed seanzie there is to lock in the reads so that someone like you would absolutely sheep them. But you seem sincere and yesterday you were really townie so meh carry ontutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:24 pmits just that + sean had pyx as top town. time to sheep. pyx is lock town for me too now. no way he kills sean here only for me to chop him today, imo. i dunno it seems bad. much better for wolf pyx to kill me and have sean defend him. i dont think i was a bad n1 kill there considering ppls reads on me and my post count. but i was left alive coz my reads were all bad i thinkhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:21 pmbecause of this:tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:18 pmi thought he's mafia but that was false alarm dw he's townhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:17 pmso I may have lost track of what day it was yesterday soz about that. Tutuu why did you want me to vote pyxxy??
or is there something else you've found that you liked about them?
TR's Tutuu while 'disagreeing' with the outcome.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 11:21 pmok maybe sincere is the wrong word to use here, maybe the right wording is "seems to believe what they're saying" now as to whether or not what they're saying has any legitimacy remains to be seen and I said as much when I talked about how straight up sheeping the reads list ain't a great call until/unless we see some outlier results on that list and then we can re-evaluate.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 11:03 pmI disagree. Im not at all convinced tutuu is sincere. She went from having me lockdown to being the first of Seanzie’s reads she would NK? I don’t believe it.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:26 pmAbout the only reason pyxxy would have killed seanzie there is to lock in the reads so that someone like you would absolutely sheep them. But you seem sincere and yesterday you were really townie so meh carry ontutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:24 pmits just that + sean had pyx as top town. time to sheep. pyx is lock town for me too now. no way he kills sean here only for me to chop him today, imo. i dunno it seems bad. much better for wolf pyx to kill me and have sean defend him. i dont think i was a bad n1 kill there considering ppls reads on me and my post count. but i was left alive coz my reads were all bad i thinkhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:21 pmbecause of this:tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:18 pmi thought he's mafia but that was false alarm dw he's townhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:17 pm
so I may have lost track of what day it was yesterday soz about that. Tutuu why did you want me to vote pyxxy??
or is there something else you've found that you liked about them?
I get what Tutuu is doing I'm just not sure I agree with how they've gotten themselves to where they are but they seem earnest in the way that they're presenting it.
HK gives Daisy a tr.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:08 pmtownSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:53 pmI volunteer as tribute. I suck.
Also, I just ate a loaded mashed potato bowl for dinner and it was delicious. That is all.
Expresses why they are being voted to Daisy. Somewhat of a vibe here, but this doesn't FEEL like a W talking to a teammate, rather a W petitioning for towny points.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:54 pmmostly I'm used to carrying wagons early in the game so I don't typically pay much attention to them. Nanook is going to vote me and park there it's a thing he's done basically since our champs game last year. Tutuu had an opportunistic vote but the rest of their content has been super townie so I don't really care about that either. Wigly is random and does whatever he wants to do, again it's just kind of a thing that exists.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pmIt’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.
I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.
Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.
In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.
Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.
Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.
Finally there's Caitlin who is what I consider the only legit vote I'm carrying as her suspicion is at least explained and understandable.
ultimately it's a 4 vote wagon with one auto, one rando, one opportunistic, and one legit vote. Not a thing I'd actually concern myself with.
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:21 pmbecause of this:tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:18 pmi thought he's mafia but that was false alarm dw he's townhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:17 pmso I may have lost track of what day it was yesterday soz about that. Tutuu why did you want me to vote pyxxy??
or is there something else you've found that you liked about them?
Quite abit of inquiry towards Tutuu on Daisy.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 11:17 pmkewl good talk lets regroup tomorrow unless ur dead.tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:38 pmbut pyxxy hasnt seen me be vocal about suggesting we sheep dead villagers, or has anyone elsehollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:26 pm About the only reason pyxxy would have killed seanzie there is to lock in the reads so that someone like you would absolutely sheep them
thinking pyx is mafia is just overthinking it
me and sean were both consensus town, me a bit more
sean had pyx as top town. i had pyx as top scum
sean died. not me
ergo i think pyx should be town here. i was left alive to mischop pyx. since i was yelling a lot yesterday that pyx is mafia
So why daisy?
provides a tr.
Expresses uncertainty towards HKSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pmIt’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.
I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.
Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.
In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.
Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.
Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.
Questions the HK wagon's existence.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:57 pm They have posted but not really reacted to the fact they’ve had votes on them from the jump and now are the lead wagon. I’d at least say something about it if I were in that position. Saying nothing looks fishy to me. A bit like, if I don’t move maybe they won’t notice me.
Has someone built an actual case for HK that just didn’t stick with me and I should revisit? Why did they end up with so many votes?
GTH's HK as wolf.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:10 pmWhat no one is considering here is that I play more intuitively. So when I get a response that, on its surface, feels rational but I don’t know how I feel over all, I want to step back. Add to that the fact what I was saying was essentially, “people dumped votes on hk and I didn’t feel like I remember them responding much in any substantial way. That’s weird. Also why are they dumping votes on hk?” Obviously, I already was unsure about the situation overall.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:36 amEh, I actually politely disagree, I thought Pyxxy made a good point against Space Daisy here. Daisy's posts could easily have come from a wolf looking for a reason to support a wagon on a townie, and then when HK responded with some meh meh meh meh, Daisy didn't see it as meh, and instead said "oh, I shouldn't push there because HK is cognizent/fighting back". Daisy felt like they didn't actually want to engage with HK.tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:12 amGod this is such a wolf post imopyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:50 amSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:53 pmMy point exactlyCaitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:08 pmWhat response...? I don't think they have replied? And they are being voted because they tried to force the lynch in me, Baker and Falcon, without much explanationSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pm Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:57 pm They have posted but not really reacted to the fact they’ve had votes on them from the jump and now are the lead wagon. I’d at least say something about it if I were in that position. Saying nothing looks fishy to me. A bit like, if I don’t move maybe they won’t notice me.
Has someone built an actual case for HK that just didn’t stick with me and I should revisit? Why did they end up with so many votes?I want more than "Fair enough." after the biggest opinion you've had yet gets deflated live right before your eyes.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:05 pmFair enough.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:54 pmmostly I'm used to carrying wagons early in the game so I don't typically pay much attention to them. Nanook is going to vote me and park there it's a thing he's done basically since our champs game last year. Tutuu had an opportunistic vote but the rest of their content has been super townie so I don't really care about that either. Wigly is random and does whatever he wants to do, again it's just kind of a thing that exists.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pm
It’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.
I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.
Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.
In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.
Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.
Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.
Finally there's Caitlin who is what I consider the only legit vote I'm carrying as her suspicion is at least explained and understandable.
ultimately it's a 4 vote wagon with one auto, one rando, one opportunistic, and one legit vote. Not a thing I'd actually concern myself with.
[VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine
I acknowledge that this is maybe an unfair expectation.
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
Regardless of that, my first gut reaction to pyxxy’s response to me was that it was an odd reaction. See, I knew when I posted it that it was going to get me suspicion but the reason I expected it to is not what pyxxy said. I voted for Kate but primarily talked about hk. I know the reason I did that is because I’m a stream of consciousness kind of poster and I was actively trying to sort through how I felt about the hk wagon. But to anyone who doesn’t think like I do (most of the world probably) it should look suspicious. Pyxxy didn’t point that out though.
Seanzie’s response to my post feels town to me. Pyxxy’s doesn’t. I’m struggling to identify why but I think it’s because Seanzie immediately looked at it and clearly said, this is suspicious because it looks like a wolf looking for an easy target. Thus assumes hk’s alignment. Pyxxy didn’t say anything about hk’s alignment. as I was reading the exchange between tutuu/belly/pyxxy I realized it felt like I was being set up to look like hk’s partner when they flipped. So I think what it comes down to is Seanzie’s handling of my post and pyxxy’s handling of my post feel very different to me.
My only fear here is Seanzie assuming hk’s innocence because of TMI. But again, his handling feels very down so I’m going with my gut on this one. I don’t think Seanzie and pyxxy are both town and I am leaning Seanzie town, pyxxy wolf.
GTH after all that, wolf. But it’s very much dependent upon how I’m feeling about pyxxy’s treatment of them/me and I would need to ISO them to move my vote there.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:25 pmIf you had to GTH HK right now, what would you say?Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:18 pmFair enough = I am unsure how I feel about the response, but it felt reasonable.pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:50 amSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:53 pmMy point exactlyCaitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:08 pmWhat response...? I don't think they have replied? And they are being voted because they tried to force the lynch in me, Baker and Falcon, without much explanationSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pm Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:57 pm They have posted but not really reacted to the fact they’ve had votes on them from the jump and now are the lead wagon. I’d at least say something about it if I were in that position. Saying nothing looks fishy to me. A bit like, if I don’t move maybe they won’t notice me.
Has someone built an actual case for HK that just didn’t stick with me and I should revisit? Why did they end up with so many votes?I want more than "Fair enough." after the biggest opinion you've had yet gets deflated live right before your eyes.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:05 pmFair enough.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:54 pmmostly I'm used to carrying wagons early in the game so I don't typically pay much attention to them. Nanook is going to vote me and park there it's a thing he's done basically since our champs game last year. Tutuu had an opportunistic vote but the rest of their content has been super townie so I don't really care about that either. Wigly is random and does whatever he wants to do, again it's just kind of a thing that exists.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pm
It’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.
I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.
Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.
In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.
Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.
Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.
Finally there's Caitlin who is what I consider the only legit vote I'm carrying as her suspicion is at least explained and understandable.
ultimately it's a 4 vote wagon with one auto, one rando, one opportunistic, and one legit vote. Not a thing I'd actually concern myself with.
[VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine
I acknowledge that this is maybe an unfair expectation.
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:22 pm Ugh, after reading hk ISO like they are suspicious. I feel like they are null and possibly slight town lean.
I’m moving my vote to [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
Wolves don’t want to narrow the PoE. Pyxxy’s lack of comment regarding hk in all this feels ick to me. I just can’t decide if it’s because hk is teammate or hk is civ and pyxxy wants to keep them on the table as a viable future wagon for them to hop on.
Moves HK to a null to townlean, but this appears to be heavily influcened by a suspicion on Pyxxy.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:24 pm EBWOP: Ugh, after reading hk ISO I don’t feel like they are suspicious. I feel like they are null and possibly slight town lean.
HK low in rainbowSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:41 pm Current reads
Cait
Seanzie
Roxy
Belzy
Tutuu
baker
Porscha
Falcon
Fingersplints
Wilgy
HK
Kate
Nook
Pyxxy
I need to sort out how I feel about those middle people more.
Further expressing how the interactions/suspicion of Pyxxy's posts are highly interactive with HK.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:01 pmThe first one is a condemnation of tutuu, any declaration of hk is dependent upon tutuu being bad. The second is a load of WIFOM where you are claiming wolf and there is nothing there to give us anything about what you really think about hk.pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:56 pm @Spacedaisy I scumread you because you had your worldview clearly shaked but provided no insight into where you would go next
now with your re-entrance you've just decided to OMGUS me for nonsense reasons
tf you mean "Pyxxy’s lack of comment regarding hk in all this feels ick to me."
hollowkatt is lhf town in my book
you tried to distance from tutuu's townread on you which I would find towny
except
apparently you have no thoughts about how you and tutuu both have me as dark red confirmed scum?
A scumlean vibe check on HK
Marks HK as unsure, but seems that HK is in Roxy's PoE of 5. Good cookie points.Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:41 am Guys - can we NOT call Lime Coke LC??? Please on this site LC is one of the original members and he and his wife gave us some of the greatest games to ever be played on this site. Can we leave his nickname for him alone?
Just asking not insisting only because I think LC and BR deserve to have their names retired much the same way they retire numbers in/on sports teams.
baker / Lime Coke - still bad
Belzy - probs town
Caitlin - unsure probs town seems to be trying too hard imo and it's giving me bad vibes
DrWilgy - town
falcon45ca - town
fingersplints - town hope am not getting burnt again
hollowkatt - unsure
Kate - is bad
Porscha - did not like the comment only caught up a couple of pages and pyx is bad - nah you bad.
pyxxy - feels towny enough
Spacedaisy - is towning it up
tutuu bending over backwards to seem towny makes me want to read them bad so they are probs town.
Expresses uncertainty on HK read.Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:00 pmI cannot read HKatt but kate if she doesn't Kate it up she will be getting my vote.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:53 pmPretty much. I've stated this previously, but I'd think both T Kate and HK would have more visible signs and efforts of hunting. If that's not possible because of other ongoing, fine, but we need to get there eventually.
If we can provide the time for them to town tell, then cool, but I'll not weep if we throw them over. My concern is that do we really think both of these null to sr slots are actually wolves? Do we honestly think we just have two sleepy wolves in them both?
Moves HK to townleanRoxy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:38 pm Lime Coke - idk
Belzy - probs town
Caitlin - idk the vibe is off
DrWilgy - probs town
falcon45ca - probs town
fingersplints - cannot trust my self so idk
hollowkatt - probs town
Kate - is bad
Porscha - idk
pyxxy - probs town
Spacedaisy - probs town
tutuu - feels off and all over the place could be bad
I may have backed off slightly yesterday but you people are too easily fooled and I really cannot back down today.
sorry Kate <3 you know I love ya but you be bad.
I see no reason to put off my vote any longer bc my mind will not change.
Vote Kate
Inquires Tutuu about Pyxxyhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:17 pmso I may have lost track of what day it was yesterday soz about that. Tutuu why did you want me to vote pyxxy?
Removes Pyxxy as an option.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:26 pmAbout the only reason pyxxy would have killed seanzie there is to lock in the reads so that someone like you would absolutely sheep them. But you seem sincere and yesterday you were really townie so meh carry ontutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:24 pmits just that + sean had pyx as top town. time to sheep. pyx is lock town for me too now. no way he kills sean here only for me to chop him today, imo. i dunno it seems bad. much better for wolf pyx to kill me and have sean defend him. i dont think i was a bad n1 kill there considering ppls reads on me and my post count. but i was left alive coz my reads were all bad i thinkhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:21 pmbecause of this:tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:18 pmi thought he's mafia but that was false alarm dw he's townhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:17 pmso I may have lost track of what day it was yesterday soz about that. Tutuu why did you want me to vote pyxxy??
or is there something else you've found that you liked about them?
Implies T TMI of Tutuu on HK
Weird, but I'm not sure what to make of it. Does a W think they can get their teammate through the game by 'making a deal' with people?
HK deemed lhf Tpyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:56 pm @Spacedaisy I scumread you because you had your worldview clearly shaked but provided no insight into where you would go next
now with your re-entrance you've just decided to OMGUS me for nonsense reasons
tf you mean "Pyxxy’s lack of comment regarding hk in all this feels ick to me."
hollowkatt is lhf town in my book
you tried to distance from tutuu's townread on you which I would find towny
except
apparently you have no thoughts about how you and tutuu both have me as dark red confirmed scum?
HK provides Porscha a TR
Opened the game with apologizing for HK's rand.
Advises against voting both HK and NookPorscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:57 pmme no vote either thoCaitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:16 pm Hollowkatt and Nanook also realistically prob contains a mafia; both make a read once in a blue moon - usually without explanation - and also either aren't voting or still have their first vote out there
Looking at Nanook more here because Hollowkatt had a townier start. I feel like town!Nanook would have done more atp, whereas mafia!Nanook could just let this thread state be bad
Validates HK's response to Daisy and HK's thoughts on their wagonPorscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:18 pmcan confirm thishollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:54 pmmostly I'm used to carrying wagons early in the game so I don't typically pay much attention to them. Nanook is going to vote me and park there it's a thing he's done basically since our champs game last year. Tutuu had an opportunistic vote but the rest of their content has been super townie so I don't really care about that either. Wigly is random and does whatever he wants to do, again it's just kind of a thing that exists.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pmIt’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.
I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.
Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.
In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.
Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.
Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.
Finally there's Caitlin who is what I consider the only legit vote I'm carrying as her suspicion is at least explained and understandable.
ultimately it's a 4 vote wagon with one auto, one rando, one opportunistic, and one legit vote. Not a thing I'd actually concern myself with.
Votes Nook to 2 when HK was at 3. Meh.Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 4:05 amI can fix that for youPorscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 4:03 amNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:37 amThey have "Clem breaks his streak of playing well" energy.Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:27 pmwhat about themNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:40 amThe vibesPorscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 3:26 amwhy do you say thatNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 3:10 am This game has big "Clem breaks his streak of playing well" vibes uwu
[VOTE: NanookTheWolf] aubergine
Responds to HK v Kate with a tr.Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:33 pmuh oh who pressed the hk is town buttonhollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:31 pm nah instead I'm gonna double down. don't tell me to fucking relax it's not your fucking place.
A push towards Kate over HK during the whole Kate V HK thing.Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:15 amJust take your vote off me and start scum reading kate for scum reading HK or something idkpyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:10 ambut then how will I pull off a believable progression onto kate near EOD tomorrowPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:51 pmCan you unvote me plspyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:48 pmtag 'emtutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:23 pm 7 out of 13 players are currently not voting
5 out of 13 players never voted at all today their name isnt in the poll
would help guys to have people pushing each other more, voting and stuff. solidify the game and stuff. make the mafia squirm. right now they're chilling. altho i have no idea which wolf to push myself but im hoping maybe u guys do
is my opinion
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:16 pmtutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:52 pmim debating if i should continue trusting my baker townread or if i should townread hkatt here and trust him that baker is scummy. not sure whats the playhollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:54 pm catching up through p200 and all I learned was that Baker is a wolf.I think it's safe to say there's minimum one wolf between baker, cait, and falcon
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:44 pmMostly D1 is about finding townies more than it is finding wolves. If I can find a list of people I don't want to kill then (assuming I'm not bassackwards) all I need to do is chop everyone else yeah?Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:16 pm Hollowkatt and Nanook also realistically prob contains a mafia; both make a read once in a blue moon - usually without explanation - and also either aren't voting or still have their first vote out there
Looking at Nanook more here because Hollowkatt had a townier start. I feel like town!Nanook would have done more atp, whereas mafia!Nanook could just let this thread state be bad
atm I'm good with tutuu, they're obvs. Baker was a sussy baka during their catch up.
Seanzie I am withholding a read on. Mostly b/c he hasn't asked for one. I think you're probably town and if so Falcon/Baker look more sus b/c of the way they're pushing on you (lhf/fluffy basically) which when it's the bulk of the case either comes from a wolf or comes from someone who's not really grokking the game. Either way it's a place to look.
Belzy I think is also town.
why do you say that?Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:17 pmBlast this the moment there's an indication Baker & Falcon are TvThollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:16 pmtutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:52 pmim debating if i should continue trusting my baker townread or if i should townread hkatt here and trust him that baker is scummy. not sure whats the playhollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:54 pm catching up through p200 and all I learned was that Baker is a wolf.I think it's safe to say there's minimum one wolf between baker, cait, and falcon
HK details the Falc/Baker/Caitlin trifecta.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:47 pmI said that because it's been a focus from falcon/baker for a hot minute and if they're wrong they're pushing you for what I feel are flimsy reasons indicating there may be a wolf behind the push. I lumped you in there because you're the one they're focusing on.Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:19 pmIt's funny because from my PoV, Hollowkatt now has made a situation where the 'atleast one wolf' does apply, but with Hollowkatt included, because if there's 3 townies then Hollowkatt looks very bad over it
An uncalled for 'has to be a mafia in it' isn't a very good look when it's on 3 townies after all-
So Hollowkatt, you better come with a very good explanation to avoid being the D1 elim~
What makes you think all three of you are town to the point where you'd instagib me? like that's pretty damn confident.
Worth theorizing that Caitlin's ideas of if Falc/Baker TvT blast HK also means if HK gets Blasted Falcon/Baker TvT.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:19 pmbecause you straight up said "if Falcon/Baker smells like TvT blast HK immediately" which to me says you've got some level of confidence thereCaitlin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:56 amOh hm, that's interesting. Seems like I'm even more out of place then with overall pretty bad reads haha
But hopefully that means this game will be easier if ppl tend to be correct moreBecause you implied there HAS to be a wolf in us, so if me, Falcon and Baker are all town, that's just very opportunistic. Your explanation on why Falcon & Baker are sus however was pretty satisfying, so I'll prob move my vote once I'm catched upI'm not confident? I even said that I wasn't sure both are town multiple times. How does that imply I'm confident...?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:47 pm What makes you think all three of you are town to the point where you'd instagib me? like that's pretty damn confident.
META commentary on HK.
HK included in what I think to be a good PoE d1.