Cyberpunk Mafia [Town Wins]

[Roxy]

[ytubehd][/ytubehd]


Breathe, breathe in the air......

[hollowkatt]

Aw. Adorable. This exchange is burying you.

I don't write essays for anyone, except rox cuz I'm kind of afraid of her.

aww, go fuck yourself <3
nothing makes a game shitty like railroading!

Wow, what a good sport!!!

yeah, choke on a brick it'll make the game better.

Why are you so aggro angry?

because railroading, regardless of alignment, is bullshit lazy lame AF way of playing mafia as it is inherently tilting, adds nothing to the game, and the only way to respond to it is either ignore it which just feeds the railroad, or attack the railroader which again feeds the railroad, so instead I choose a different response, calling out the player. I might still die and I might even eat a ban for it but yeah don't really give a fuck.

like you're not even bothering to respond to the initial question I asked because you're already cocksure of the direction you're headed in and regardless of your alignment it's a shitty way to play the game and a shitty way to treat people and I just don't have the patience to deal with it so I'm returning the energy.

Wait, wait, wait. I am the one treating people in a shitty fashion? ME? I think you should reread this exchange and she who was snarky and who was downright nasty.

lolololol you can't possibly be serious because omg is that some waspy pearl clutching like wtf..,

[falcon45ca]

[ytubehd][/ytubehd]


Breathe, breathe in the air......

[Kate]

aww, go fuck yourself <3
nothing makes a game shitty like railroading!

Wow, what a good sport!!!

yeah, choke on a brick it'll make the game better.

Why are you so aggro angry?

because railroading, regardless of alignment, is bullshit lazy lame AF way of playing mafia as it is inherently tilting, adds nothing to the game, and the only way to respond to it is either ignore it which just feeds the railroad, or attack the railroader which again feeds the railroad, so instead I choose a different response, calling out the player. I might still die and I might even eat a ban for it but yeah don't really give a fuck.

like you're not even bothering to respond to the initial question I asked because you're already cocksure of the direction you're headed in and regardless of your alignment it's a shitty way to play the game and a shitty way to treat people and I just don't have the patience to deal with it so I'm returning the energy.

Wait, wait, wait. I am the one treating people in a shitty fashion? ME? I think you should reread this exchange and she who was snarky and who was downright nasty.

lolololol you can't possibly be serious because omg is that some waspy pearl clutching like wtf..,

So I should pull out the f bomb? It's a game. Relax.

[hollowkatt]

nah instead I'm gonna double down. don't tell me to fucking relax it's not your fucking place.

[Porscha]

ive almost never seen a mafia game in which the person getting killed n1 had all bad reads

however, i have BEEN IN A TON OF MAFIA GAMES in which the person dying n1 had decent reads, and THEY WERE NOT LISTENED TO, and then TOWN LOST

in my experience town seanzie, should be survive D1, is nearly impossible to eliminate. Kinda like Jack yeah? So sure, could be reads, could be SPK management. until/unless we see a flip of his outlier reads (top towns or top wolves) saying Seanzie was killed for reads isn't something you can really stake the game on.

Lol. Should we stake the game on this post?

Vote [VOTE: hk] aubergine

depends if you'd also like to stake it on mine that essentially said the same thing as hk. or you could make an argument that we should just sheep sean blindly, i'm willing to hear that argument that has yet to be made. i am ok with tutuu saying they want to vote within sean's poe, this is broad enough for me, acceptable. what do you personally think kate? same as tutuu or were your thoughts somewhere else?

[tutuu]

damn

[Porscha]

nah instead I'm gonna double down. don't tell me to fucking relax it's not your fucking place.

uh oh who pressed the hk is town button

[tutuu]

well i think kate and hkatt are both town now. definitely hkatt

[tutuu]

so im looking at ...

fs. wilgy. was i wrong on belzy? belzy maf? was i wrong on porscha? porscha maf? was i right on pyxxy? pyxxy maf?

[tutuu]

[VOTE: lime coke] aubergine i guess

[Porscha]

so im looking at ...

fs. wilgy. was i wrong on belzy? belzy maf? was i wrong on porscha? porscha maf? was i right on pyxxy? pyxxy maf?

what about daisy

[Porscha]

I was debating pinging brad last night just to ask if he randed wolf so he is on my radar, but also probably because I think I missed a lot of the pages where he made posts. i saw a few but that's rarely enough to convince me of brad's alignment (i am not particularly good at reading brad)

[tutuu]

so im looking at ...

fs. wilgy. was i wrong on belzy? belzy maf? was i wrong on porscha? porscha maf? was i right on pyxxy? pyxxy maf?

what about daisy

she seemed so town to me on d1 and when i pushed her now on d2 she seemed so town again i just cant find it in my heart to scumread her

[Kate]

[Porscha]

so im looking at ...

fs. wilgy. was i wrong on belzy? belzy maf? was i wrong on porscha? porscha maf? was i right on pyxxy? pyxxy maf?

what about daisy

she seemed so town to me on d1 and when i pushed her now on d2 she seemed so town again i just cant find it in my heart to scumread her

what was so towny that you aren't considering her today

[Kate]

well i think kate and hkatt are both town now. definitely hkatt

Omg really??

[tutuu]

so im looking at ...

fs. wilgy. was i wrong on belzy? belzy maf? was i wrong on porscha? porscha maf? was i right on pyxxy? pyxxy maf?

what about daisy

she seemed so town to me on d1 and when i pushed her now on d2 she seemed so town again i just cant find it in my heart to scumread her

what was so towny that you aren't considering her today

all of her posts that she wrote at me its too much to summarize in one catch up post

[Kate]

That was textbook, caught, flip the hell out

[tutuu]

well i think kate and hkatt are both town now. definitely hkatt

Omg really??

people dont allow themselves to go that far as mafia. as town yeah, not as mafia. not that far

[tutuu]

That was textbook, caught, flip the hell out

did old school syndicate wolves used to start throwing out insults when they were caught? was that a norm? im surprised ur calling it textbook

[Kate]

That was textbook, caught, flip the hell out

did old school syndicate wolves used to start throwing out insults when they were caught? was that a norm? im surprised ur calling it textbook

Not specifically but wolves get pissy when they're caught. This is beyond pissy, this is furious. It ok with you that he told me to fuck myself? I'd never say that to someone in a game. I don't care if it's pearl clutchy.

You're a smart lady. Reread this whole thing. I believe you'll see it.

[Kate]

well i think kate and hkatt are both town now. definitely hkatt

Omg really??

people dont allow themselves to go that far as mafia. as town yeah, not as mafia. not that far

Let's bet on it. A friendly bet. This is in no way snark or mean and ily.

[tutuu]

That was textbook, caught, flip the hell out

did old school syndicate wolves used to start throwing out insults when they were caught? was that a norm? im surprised ur calling it textbook

Not specifically but wolves get pissy when they're caught. This is beyond pissy, this is furious. It ok with you that he told me to fuck myself? I'd never say that to someone in a game. I don't care if it's pearl clutchy.

You're a smart lady. Reread this whole thing. I believe you'll see it.

not ok with me at all, fmpov he's definitely in the wrong toxicity wise. u just called him a wolf and he exploded. im just trying to not fuel the fire. props to you for trying to deescalate, i appreciate u. im very certain he's town though. people rarely break down so much as mafia. as town u feel like u are wronged so its easier to get enraged. as mafia u arent wronged, u know ur the bad guy. people hold themselves back more as mafia, ppl arent that cruel to lash out like that for someone correctly finding them as mafia and playing well. its very rare, really really rare

[tutuu]

well i think kate and hkatt are both town now. definitely hkatt

Omg really??

people dont allow themselves to go that far as mafia. as town yeah, not as mafia. not that far

Let's bet on it. A friendly bet. This is in no way snark or mean and ily.

dont worry id never have thought it would be snark or mean

how about - winner gets to decide the discord avatar of the loser for 2 weeks. that is if we're both town, if one of us is wolf - the bet dissolves

[Kate]

well i think kate and hkatt are both town now. definitely hkatt

Omg really??

people dont allow themselves to go that far as mafia. as town yeah, not as mafia. not that far

Let's bet on it. A friendly bet. This is in no way snark or mean and ily.

dont worry id never have thought it would be snark or mean

how about - winner gets to decide the discord avatar of the loser for 2 weeks. that is if we're both town, if one of us is wolf - the bet dissolves

But you and I are both town lmao. I wanna bet on hollowkatt.

[tutuu]

But you and I are both town lmao. I wanna bet on hollowkatt.

thats what im saying too, i was just elaborating (i AM a rule nerd, i did read all the rules of se7en, so i gotta set clear the stakes too! i should be the lawyer not you, im the one who cares about the fine print ...)

[tutuu]

although sometimes i dont communicate myself very clearly i dont say the obvious coz im assuming its implied mb now that i think of it i get into misunderstandings a lot because of that

[Kate]

But you and I are both town lmao. I wanna bet on hollowkatt.

thats what im saying too, i was just elaborating (i AM a rule nerd, i did read all the rules of se7en, so i gotta set clear the stakes too! i should be the lawyer not you, im the one who cares about the fine print ...)

Ok! *shakes*

By the way:
1. If you were bad, you'd be madder at HK and would have tried to calm him down, and
2. If you were bad there is NO way you'd defend him at this point.

I'll be working on that avatar

[tutuu]

But you and I are both town lmao. I wanna bet on hollowkatt.

thats what im saying too, i was just elaborating (i AM a rule nerd, i did read all the rules of se7en, so i gotta set clear the stakes too! i should be the lawyer not you, im the one who cares about the fine print ...)

Ok! *shakes*

By the way:
1. If you were bad, you'd be madder at HK and would have tried to calm him down, and
2. If you were bad there is NO way you'd defend him at this point.

I'll be working on that avatar

im not sure if 1. is right but 2. is probably right as i wouldnt wanna reduce the poe coz id be screwing myself over

actually 1. might be right i dunno. im just too tired and too scared to get into confrontations at least not rn, i feel weak, sorry . but as mafia id probably feel more justified to say more wild stuff since i have the excuse of being evil so i can say whatever i want and chalk it up to wolfing. maybe ur right ^-^

[tutuu]

but yeah IT WOULD BE COOL if people could tolerate being scumread without blowing up. pyxxy blew up at me yesterday, obv didnt go that far but. it was also a bit scary

[pyxxy]

but yeah IT WOULD BE COOL if people could tolerate being scumread without blowing up. pyxxy blew up at me yesterday, obv didnt go that far but. it was also a bit scary

sorry

[tutuu]

but yeah IT WOULD BE COOL if people could tolerate being scumread without blowing up. pyxxy blew up at me yesterday, obv didnt go that far but. it was also a bit scary

sorry

it cool im sorry too. i wasnt scared at ur words i was mostly scared that u'd like me less if i mischop u lol. thats the scariest part

[pyxxy]

but yeah IT WOULD BE COOL if people could tolerate being scumread without blowing up. pyxxy blew up at me yesterday, obv didnt go that far but. it was also a bit scary

sorry

it cool im sorry too. i wasnt scared at ur words i was mostly scared that u'd like me less if i mischop u lol. thats the scariest part

[tutuu]

but yeah IT WOULD BE COOL if people could tolerate being scumread without blowing up. pyxxy blew up at me yesterday, obv didnt go that far but. it was also a bit scary

sorry

it cool im sorry too. i wasnt scared at ur words i was mostly scared that u'd like me less if i mischop u lol. thats the scariest part

come here my favorite twink crackhead

[pyxxy]

so im looking at ...

fs. wilgy. was i wrong on belzy? belzy maf? was i wrong on porscha? porscha maf? was i right on pyxxy? pyxxy maf?

talk to me about your belzy read

[tutuu]

so im looking at ...

fs. wilgy. was i wrong on belzy? belzy maf? was i wrong on porscha? porscha maf? was i right on pyxxy? pyxxy maf?

talk to me about your belzy read

i played 1... 2 games with them recently. was reranded. i think i got the hang of their gameplay, i could be wrong. it seemed pretty similar to me tot his one, they posted a lot, was upset at sean misunderstanding them, here they said theyre voting for sean coz he made it personal (when sean was like: wtf bro what did i even do?) felt to me like a townie who cares about their thing a lot. i think its usually townies who do stuff like that. admittedly they are from personality cafe where its the land of people with no qualms of full blown emotional manipulation with dizzy in the lead. so i guess the site wolfing culture would have rubbed off on them and that could be in their wolf range. but in general i think ... the thing i described is a general town tell. it is true that i dont have a ton of experience with belzy and i could be wrong on my perception on what their range is. but im rly insistent that what they displayed this game is something that's generally towny posting, in a vacuum, if we ignore their site background and possibility of ppl consciously incorporating general town tells into their wolf range

[tutuu]

Now I wonder whether or not people who townread Sean, actually have ISO'd Sean, or only read his posts by reading the thread, cuz I did ISO Sean also and scumread him too.

When have you not scumread me?

The last couple of games, actually. All MU games hosted by Nook I correctly townread you. And all games on this website as well. You were town everytime, and I defended you.

For some reason I thought you were pushing hard for me in one of the Turtles games, but I can't actually find any evidence for that now, so meh. The MU games dont count IMO since I really only played the very first one. So, I retract my question because you actually do seem to townread me most of the time.

I am getting a bit tired of reading you continually saying you scumread me without actually going into any detail though. Can you walk me through what you actually find scummy about me? Again, I feel like I am pro-towning, so while I don't necessarily expect everyone to see it as easily as I can (I do have TMI afterall), I am pretty confident that my light can be found by anyone willing to delve into it. So, tell me about me. What bothers you? What are you seeing? Is there anything townie that I've done, or am I straight-up howlin'?

MU games, Turtle game, and ALL games in between I always townread you!!!!!! Stop staying stuck in Mafia Cafe time where I am retired years ago!! How can you still be tired after many games us townreading each other???

I was mistaken. I don't know why but I thought you were pushing for me in Turtles. You weren't so I retract what I said. Sorry.

Okay, thank you.

I was really proud at the two of us when we townread/find each on MU and Syndicat post my Mafia Game retirement. It was really a goal of mine for us to stop omgussing each other. You have one of my favourites on MU and here since, also because I don't know many faces, but also because those omgus days were an awful phase of my Mafia career, I want to let go and never look back.

So it was really upsetting you suddenly forgot all the good stuff between the two of us in 2022 and 2023 # Only Good Stuff except the last hour. *tear*

Seanzie in an ISO doesn’t read great. Lots of redirection and fluff. It’s day 1 so I can give some leniency here

Tbd scum lean

Now I wonder whether or not people who townread Sean, actually have ISO'd Sean, or only read his posts by reading the thread, cuz I did ISO Sean also and scumread him too.

When have you not scumread me?

The last couple of games, actually. All MU games hosted by Nook I correctly townread you. And all games on this website as well. You were town everytime, and I defended you.

For some reason I thought you were pushing hard for me in one of the Turtles games, but I can't actually find any evidence for that now, so meh. The MU games dont count IMO since I really only played the very first one. So, I retract my question because you actually do seem to townread me most of the time.

I am getting a bit tired of reading you continually saying you scumread me without actually going into any detail though. Can you walk me through what you actually find scummy about me? Again, I feel like I am pro-towning, so while I don't necessarily expect everyone to see it as easily as I can (I do have TMI afterall), I am pretty confident that my light can be found by anyone willing to delve into it. So, tell me about me. What bothers you? What are you seeing? Is there anything townie that I've done, or am I straight-up howlin'?

MU games, Turtle game, and ALL games in between I always townread you!!!!!! Stop staying stuck in Mafia Cafe time where I am retired years ago!! How can you still be tired after many games us townreading each other???

Seanzie 95
Porscha 87
Pyxxy 86
Michelle 85
Lilypetal 83
Trisscar 82
Good Question 80
Cape90 75
Zenon 66
Prince J 61

@Seanzie I top town read you. Eat your words!

And I never scumread you once since that game @Seanzie not even a vote. You were town everytime. I learned reading you compared to 3 years ago on Mafia Cafe. How can you forgot 5 most recent games I townread you everytime?

these posts all read as pretty pure townie to me

[Kate]

I agree with you on town belzy

[tutuu]

I agree with you on town belzy

[pyxxy]

When have you not scumread me?

The last couple of games, actually. All MU games hosted by Nook I correctly townread you. And all games on this website as well. You were town everytime, and I defended you.

For some reason I thought you were pushing hard for me in one of the Turtles games, but I can't actually find any evidence for that now, so meh. The MU games dont count IMO since I really only played the very first one. So, I retract my question because you actually do seem to townread me most of the time.

I am getting a bit tired of reading you continually saying you scumread me without actually going into any detail though. Can you walk me through what you actually find scummy about me? Again, I feel like I am pro-towning, so while I don't necessarily expect everyone to see it as easily as I can (I do have TMI afterall), I am pretty confident that my light can be found by anyone willing to delve into it. So, tell me about me. What bothers you? What are you seeing? Is there anything townie that I've done, or am I straight-up howlin'?

MU games, Turtle game, and ALL games in between I always townread you!!!!!! Stop staying stuck in Mafia Cafe time where I am retired years ago!! How can you still be tired after many games us townreading each other???

I was mistaken. I don't know why but I thought you were pushing for me in Turtles. You weren't so I retract what I said. Sorry.

Okay, thank you.

I was really proud at the two of us when we townread/find each on MU and Syndicat post my Mafia Game retirement. It was really a goal of mine for us to stop omgussing each other. You have one of my favourites on MU and here since, also because I don't know many faces, but also because those omgus days were an awful phase of my Mafia career, I want to let go and never look back.

So it was really upsetting you suddenly forgot all the good stuff between the two of us in 2022 and 2023 # Only Good Stuff except the last hour. *tear*

Seanzie in an ISO doesn’t read great. Lots of redirection and fluff. It’s day 1 so I can give some leniency here

Tbd scum lean

Now I wonder whether or not people who townread Sean, actually have ISO'd Sean, or only read his posts by reading the thread, cuz I did ISO Sean also and scumread him too.

When have you not scumread me?

The last couple of games, actually. All MU games hosted by Nook I correctly townread you. And all games on this website as well. You were town everytime, and I defended you.

For some reason I thought you were pushing hard for me in one of the Turtles games, but I can't actually find any evidence for that now, so meh. The MU games dont count IMO since I really only played the very first one. So, I retract my question because you actually do seem to townread me most of the time.

I am getting a bit tired of reading you continually saying you scumread me without actually going into any detail though. Can you walk me through what you actually find scummy about me? Again, I feel like I am pro-towning, so while I don't necessarily expect everyone to see it as easily as I can (I do have TMI afterall), I am pretty confident that my light can be found by anyone willing to delve into it. So, tell me about me. What bothers you? What are you seeing? Is there anything townie that I've done, or am I straight-up howlin'?

MU games, Turtle game, and ALL games in between I always townread you!!!!!! Stop staying stuck in Mafia Cafe time where I am retired years ago!! How can you still be tired after many games us townreading each other???

Seanzie 95
Porscha 87
Pyxxy 86
Michelle 85
Lilypetal 83
Trisscar 82
Good Question 80
Cape90 75
Zenon 66
Prince J 61

@Seanzie I top town read you. Eat your words!

And I never scumread you once since that game @Seanzie not even a vote. You were town everytime. I learned reading you compared to 3 years ago on Mafia Cafe. How can you forgot 5 most recent games I townread you everytime?

these posts all read as pretty pure townie to me

hm

okay

ty

[pyxxy]

I agree with you on town belzy

is this like "tutuu's argument makes sense, endorsed" or like "I already thought Belzy was townie for X reasons"

if the latter I would appreciate said reasons

but no rush

[pyxxy]

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

gn

~16 hours and no one else has really gone for Belzy

this is maybe a very small and barely useful thing to say, but: I don't think Sean was killed in order to frame Belzy for being very publicly pushing and scumreading Sean yesterday

I was sort of hoping that would happen / the thread would engage on Belzy and that's how I could figure out my read

there's just something about they're D2 entrance that I don't like. it feels very "pre-decided". like:
- scum figured I would be cleared by the rand, but someone knows I'm bad at solving as town, so better to kill elsewhere
- okay so scum has to townread me now
- Belzy's actual explanation for townreading me is.....that I successfully managed to tinfoil them about tutuu pocketing them
- but then it's right back to voting for Kate and also pushing HK
- no questioning of tutuu, which is why I flipped to bothering tutuu about Belzy, which went.....ok

@tutuu @Kate any flaws in my logic for what I think is possibly sus behavior here from Belzy?

if we wanted a comparison, I think Spacedaisy has done a decently towny thing (not the AtE about potentially mischopping, mind you) with ending on a "welp, my worldview is kinda broke now, but I'm going to think on things instead of just being stubborn and trying to flip one of my D1 scumreads without more analysis first"

otoh
- they had a bad day. I'm not being sarcastic. I could see that explaining today. I give anyone I play with a 1-time AtE pass. I believe you until you AtE, after that I will never believe you again. so. They had a bad day I hope tomorrow is better

[tutuu]

i dont think that belzy's behavior is uncharacteristic from a town belzy given my recent game with them. its not really easy to put it into words. theyre just ... belzy. they're doing belzy things. from my pov

[Kate]

I agree with you on town belzy

is this like "tutuu's argument makes sense, endorsed" or like "I already thought Belzy was townie for X reasons"

if the latter I would appreciate said reasons

but no rush

Earlier when I was doing the analysis of the voting from day one, he was included. His vote had me put him in the likely civ column. TOOTIES' post was further than I went but I agree his posts were sincere, which put belzy more firmly in the town column.

[Kate]

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

gn

~16 hours and no one else has really gone for Belzy

this is maybe a very small and barely useful thing to say, but: I don't think Sean was killed in order to frame Belzy for being very publicly pushing and scumreading Sean yesterday

I was sort of hoping that would happen / the thread would engage on Belzy and that's how I could figure out my read

there's just something about they're D2 entrance that I don't like. it feels very "pre-decided". like:
- scum figured I would be cleared by the rand, but someone knows I'm bad at solving as town, so better to kill elsewhere
- okay so scum has to townread me now
- Belzy's actual explanation for townreading me is.....that I successfully managed to tinfoil them about tutuu pocketing them
- but then it's right back to voting for Kate and also pushing HK
- no questioning of tutuu, which is why I flipped to bothering tutuu about Belzy, which went.....ok

@tutuu @Kate any flaws in my logic for what I think is possibly sus behavior here from Belzy?

if we wanted a comparison, I think Spacedaisy has done a decently towny thing (not the AtE about potentially mischopping, mind you) with ending on a "welp, my worldview is kinda broke now, but I'm going to think on things instead of just being stubborn and trying to flip one of my D1 scumreads without more analysis first"

otoh
- they had a bad day. I'm not being sarcastic. I could see that explaining today. I give anyone I play with a 1-time AtE pass. I believe you until you AtE, after that I will never believe you again. so. They had a bad day I hope tomorrow is better

I've never played with him before but I sort of chalked it up to playing with mainly new people and, well, just being off. Day 1 is hard even you know all the players.

I also agree on Daisy. I saw her not too long ago in a baddie role and this seems quite different. She's analyzing and is amenable to changing her mind.

[Kate]

I'm very very curious why falcon is voting me. Maybe he just hasn't been back since I became active.

[Kate]

I'd like to remind everyone that HK is actually only at 3 votes, so right now wagons are

Nook - 4 Belzy, Porscha, Spacedaisy, Caitlin
Pyxxy - 3 tutuu, Lime Coke, fingersplints
HK - 3 NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, DrWilgy, Seanzie

Let's look at belzy, porscha, daisy, Caitlin nook wilg and sean.

Nook and sean obviously not bad.

Wilgy is wilgy, and I don't like to go there, as mentioned previously.

Belzy the first on Nook (probably not bad but will iso) Porscha/daisy/Caitlin probably one baddie in there.

One of those 3 were probably saving hallowkatt. Probably, maybe?

@pyxxy these were the posts I was referring to.

[pyxxy]

I'd like to remind everyone that HK is actually only at 3 votes, so right now wagons are

Nook - 4 Belzy, Porscha, Spacedaisy, Caitlin
Pyxxy - 3 tutuu, Lime Coke, fingersplints
HK - 3 NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, DrWilgy, Seanzie

Let's look at belzy, porscha, daisy, Caitlin nook wilg and sean.

Nook and sean obviously not bad.

Wilgy is wilgy, and I don't like to go there, as mentioned previously.

Belzy the first on Nook (probably not bad but will iso) Porscha/daisy/Caitlin probably one baddie in there.

One of those 3 were probably saving hallowkatt. Probably, maybe?

@pyxxy these were the posts I was referring to.

tyty

[pyxxy]

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine