The Syndicate

Marmot wrote:But I do give you three players who have not been around today.

DrWilgy: Hasn't posted since the start of Night 3.
MacDougall: Hasn't posted since the beginning of Day 4.
TheFloyd73: Hasn't posted since Day 3.

Video games homie

What a twist.

Epignosis wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If Jack were not on the poll, where would you vote and why?

We've been over this Epi. You, Sawyer or DF.

thellama73 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:llama, what do you make of MM naming me his top suspect for forgetting about Quin?
I personally find it hard to believe anyone really suspects you. Of all the people in the game, I think I suspect you least. Doesn't make Metalmarsh89 bad, but I think he's wrong.
Does it make me bad?
Only the role handed out to you by the host makes you bad.

You know what I meant you sassy Llama. You stated that MM's suspicion on Epi doesn't make him bad (meaning it's not a baddie tell). Is my suspicion on Epi a baddie tell?

linki - a shame the stupid is seeping out of me today then...

thellama73 wrote:And I think a lot of people in here are using the word "rational" when what they really mean is "logical."

aren't they synonymous?

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:llama, what do you make of MM naming me his top suspect for forgetting about Quin?
I personally find it hard to believe anyone really suspects you. Of all the people in the game, I think I suspect you least. Doesn't make Metalmarsh89 bad, but I think he's wrong.

Does it make me bad?

Back to the question though, can you non-feeling, rationalize Marmot's suspicion?

What about Sawyer? Is his suspicion and though process have rational thought behind it?

Epi, how long have you been playing mafia with Eloh?

DrWilgy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I feel like there is zero rational thought taking place in this thread right now. Zero.
That makes you wrong again. Stop being wrong Epi.
That's my feeling. Feelings aren't wrong.
Mark it as such. Feeling and rational are too very different things.

Can you not rationalize Marmots suspicion of you? Seemed pretty clear to me.

Nvm, I'm an idiot

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I feel like there is zero rational thought taking place in this thread right now. Zero.
That makes you wrong again. Stop being wrong Epi.
That's my feeling. Feelings aren't wrong.

Mark it as such. Feeling and rational are too very different things.

Can you not rationalize Marmots suspicion of you? Seemed pretty clear to me.

Epignosis wrote:I feel like there is zero rational thought taking place in this thread right now. Zero.

That makes you wrong again. Stop being wrong Epi.

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Deal with it mate. Jack has a team. My job is to find them. I don't accomplish that by going, "Okay, voting Jack."
Why did you vote for me?
No reason. Should I have a reason?
Given that you said this, then absolutely yes!
Oh wait, I did have a reason. I was just taking my vote off DrWilgy to give him some room so he wouldn't end up feeling like he had to vote Jack. You were just a bystander. I do not know if you are an innocent one.
You think I'd go out like a coward?

Recent interaction with Sawyer had me doubting my Epi read, oh well going back to that.
Go on.

With what?

Epignosis wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Deal with it mate. Jack has a team. My job is to find them. I don't accomplish that by going, "Okay, voting Jack."
Why did you vote for me?
No reason. Should I have a reason?
Given that you said this, then absolutely yes!
Oh wait, I did have a reason. I was just taking my vote off DrWilgy to give him some room so he wouldn't end up feeling like he had to vote Jack. You were just a bystander. I do not know if you are an innocent one.

You think I'd go out like a coward?

Recent interaction with Sawyer had me doubting my Epi read, oh well going back to that.

notsawyer540 wrote:You're going to have to lynch Jack eventually. Doing so sooner is the more logical decision, irrespective of how many people you convince otherwise.

I have such a problem with this quote it throws my reads into madness. "More logical" could've just been "obvious" or "easier" or "simple" or "straightforward". Instead there's an nessicary snark of "why don't you choose the SMMMMAAAAAAARRRRRTTT decision?"

End me fam

Are these not the same? We are still going to lynch JoH, but we are taking our time. Never did I specify phase. Also if Epi and I are teammates, why would've I waited for my teammate to float an idea? I could've just stated it myself. I also don't see a scenario where I'd ever adamantly stand on a view with a teammate, but that's just me.

Are you sying it's my fault a civ got lynched?

Linki - how is it logical? How? What logic did you use to decide this.

Remember that time I pointed out your facts were wrong Sawyer and you responded with "dun dun duuuun" amd didn't engage me even though I gave you every opportunity to do so?

Marmot wrote:Have MacDougall and jack played together before?

You ignoring me Marmot?

Have you ever expected Mac to do anything earnestly?

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:"Toing"?
going
Thanks... I couldn't lose the 't'. "Toying"? "Towing"? "Toting"? "Totalling"??

Totes.

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:You should when wierd can translate to baddie indicative. Are you toing to not care about that?
No.

M'kay then.

You should when wierd can translate to baddie indicative. Are you toing to not care about that?

Actually, I guess Mac did bus LC in talking heads, but LC wanted out of that game. It also wasn't right out of the gate.

Linki - 3. So you want me to see the following -
"It's not wierd that Epi is more alive than FZ right now even though he's a 'confirmed' civvie. It's not wierd that Epi wouldn't have been killed after Eloh because a confirmed civvie (SVS) stated that it was a frame (which implies civvynes). It's not wierd that the players voting for Epi now, missed that interaction, which was a decent bit of what the person we lynched yesterday said."

@Marmot, what is your current read on me?

Regarding Mac, there's only one time I've seen him go super hard on a teammate and that was Monkey Island. I don't think his day 1 w/Jack was teammate indicative.

Now, I have damn near stopped paying attention to him due to this recently and I may need to double take. I do know that we may have similar thoughts.

Linki-
2. Well you are wrong
3. So is the scenario that both players that voted for you are bad and missed that framing interaction with you?

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:In my head, we've hit a point where you not being bad is harder to believe due to the ammount of "hey look I'm so civvy because of these simple reasons!!"
I don't believe you genuinely believe this.

DrWilgy

Remember Vocaroo where you killed me when I was rightly suspicious of you? I'm noticing a trend

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Why were you killed instead of FZ Epi?
wut
If you are so confirmed civvy, why did FZ die? Several were still suspect of her.

And what leads you to that? Why is that hard to believe?
I am confirmed. Some people just don't agree.

I don't think the mafia knew that by killing Eloh Night 1, they would create that circumstance, and I didn't harp on it until this Day.

Killing FZ. is textbook Mafia strategy 101: Nobody was going to lynch FZ, were they?

1. Clearly
2. Why harp on it then? You acknowledge it is solely WIFOM yes?
3. Was anyone going to lynch you? SVS, a civ, pointed out "someone was trying to frame Epi" meaning the thought of you being civ was already there if the mafia had been watching the interaction.

Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:In my head, we've hit a point where you not being bad is harder to believe due to the ammount of "hey look I'm so civvy because of these simple reasons!!"
I don't believe you genuinely believe this.

DrWilgy
I am on board with that. I've been looking back over things, and I get more bad vibes than good from Wilgy's "all the jokes" playstyle.

DrWilgy
Boo! Weeeaaaak!!
We can't all be Brian Shaw.

What my point is LC, I have moved well past joking around and if you can't take that into analysis while voting for me, it's a weak vote.

Baddie comp at the moment is JoH, DF, Sawyer, Epi/LC

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:In my head, we've hit a point where you not being bad is harder to believe due to the ammount of "hey look I'm so civvy because of these simple reasons!!"
I don't believe you genuinely believe this.

DrWilgy
I am on board with that. I've been looking back over things, and I get more bad vibes than good from Wilgy's "all the jokes" playstyle.

DrWilgy

Boo! Weeeaaaak!!

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Why were you killed instead of FZ Epi?
wut

If you are so confirmed civvy, why did FZ die? Several were still suspect of her.

And what leads you to that? Why is that hard to believe?

*weren't

That was supposed to say weren't.

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:I can see a scenario where Epi was attempting to distance from DF, but wasn't expecting for more votes to go that way last cycle.

I'd like to lynch DF still.
A scenario that would require a few things to be true:

1. I'm bad.
2. I would kill Eloh Night 1.
3. I don't know how to distance from a teammate well.

1. That's easy, all you'd have to do is be a teammate of JoH and receive a card stating "You're bad!"
2. That's also easy, all you'd have to do is send a message to the host.
3. Everyone makes mistakes.

In my head, we've hit a point where you not being bad is harder to believe due to the ammount of "hey look I'm so civvy because of these simple reasons!!"

Why were you killed instead of FZ Epi?

I can see a scenario where Epi was attempting to distance from DF, but wasn't expecting for more votes to go that way last cycle.

I'd like to lynch DF still.

Epignosis wrote:
Marmot wrote:Why do you think he's civilian that is?
Chickenshit stuff. He gave a full assessment when under pressure to do so, but a lot of what he said didn't make any sense. He came in cool with lynching S~V~S as long as he wasn't getting the rope.

I see textbook DF is all.

Epignosis wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I won't be able to catch up on the thread until tonight, so I randomized Sawyer. I hate randomizing, but I haven't read since page 3 and literally have no suspicions yet.
This was Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:13 pm EST. I note that there were only seven pages, which means DF was only four pages behind. Surely he could have skimmed and made a more informed decision in that time, could he not?

DFaraday wrote:Finally caught up. Good result, all! RIP Elo.

I agree that there's no rush to lynch Jack, we just need to be careful about how close lynches are or he could tip the scales. Then again, I doubt he'd use that to save a teammate, but rather frame a civ.

To Sawyer: I have no suspicion of you. I randomized from everybody besides myself and it was you. That's all.
This next post is Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:15 am EST, over 36 hours later. In it, DF did nothing but talk about Jack- no mention of suspects, whom he would have voted had he been caught up, no ideas on who is a civilian- nada.

I'm voting DFaraday.

So you 180'd on DF?

Marmot wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Also, my team is Epi, LC, Marmot and Quin.
I've never been mafia with Epignosis though.

Or llama, or Sockface. How the hell does that happen?

But we've been teammates! That's all you need right???

Epi, what are your current thoughts on DF?

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I agree with this. My second choice would be Wilgy, who I already suspected, and whose vote for SVS has done him no favors in my estimation.
Now you are just assuming things Llama. My vote for SVS has done wonders for me. We confirmed she was civ.

What I would like is some opinions from Faraday following her lynch.

I have a tonal bad read of Epi following his recent posts. What does admitting how civvie you are do for us other than WIFOM defense to LC's suspicion? I've killed Wilgette n1 several times when I play with her and some friends around a table.
You do a lot of shit I wouldn't do.

Sometimes you just gotta kill the ones you love.

thellama73 wrote:I agree with this. My second choice would be Wilgy, who I already suspected, and whose vote for SVS has done him no favors in my estimation.

Now you are just assuming things Llama. My vote for SVS has done wonders for me. We confirmed she was civ.

What I would like is some opinions from Faraday following her lynch.

I have a tonal bad read of Epi following his recent posts. What does admitting how civvie you are do for us other than WIFOM defense to LC's suspicion? I've killed Wilgette n1 several times when I play with her and some friends around a table.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Also, my team is Epi, LC, Marmot and Quin.

One of these 4 are bad.

I still don't wanna lynch anime.

I think we can not botger with him for at least one more phase.

Baddie team is JoH, Sawyer, DF, and Llamotnosis Con.

notsawyer540 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Technically, I spoke about not voting Jack first.
Dun dun dunnnnnn!

is that it?

notsawyer540 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
notsawyer540 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Sawyer, what was the point of flooding the thread with 12 huge quotes with minimal commentary? Do you really expect anyone to get anything out of that, or are you just trying to look like you are trying?
I was pretty pissed about SVS getting lynched and pretty tipsy before I logged in. Now that I've read why SVS was lynched, I get it. I would've considered voting for her on day 3. However, it does not make any sense that it happened on day 2.

Also, your questions here are quite misleading and your accusatory tone is quite suspicious. Instead of discussing any of the actual content, you criticize me in general. Is it annoying that I quoted all of that without trimming it down? Yes. Do I need to explain everything when it's safe to assume everyone here can read? No.
How is my question misleading? What is it leading people to think? And if being accusatory is suspicious, than anyone playing the game is suspicious. The point of Mafia is to accuse people. So put that eye back in its socket.

I genuinely don't understand what point you were trying to make with all those quotes. Can you explain it to me in less than 20,000 words?
Epi actively promoted not lynching a known baddie and Wilgy jumped right on the opportunity to support that idea without hesitation. Then SVS was lynched instead of the guy we know is bad. Looks suspicious to me.

Technically, I spoke about not voting Jack first.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Spoiler alert: We're killing LC.

Why LC? Is it fun being a bucket of WIFOM with no regrets other than waiting for the inevitable end?

End the night.

Long Con wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Wow. Seriously fucking lame. Good luck civs, you gonna need it
S~V~S, I'm really, really sorry. I didn't realize the poll ended so early. I just wanted to put some pressure on you to come in and respond to the accusations, but if I had gotten in before the poll closed, I would have changed my vote to Jack upon seeing that you hadn't even been on to respond to the votes. That was so sucky, I'm sorry.

Are you really though LC? How will you male sure she didn't die in vain?

Epignosis wrote:All right. Wilgy it is.

Who was the phoniest of the Jack voters?

I don't think there's a way to tell that one. The bus is really easy if there are any. Imma look and see if theres anything that stands out.

Epignosis wrote:Who was the phoniest of the S~V~S voters?

Probably me.

Lynching the known badder today does nothing for us though. We shoulda lynched DF instead.

G-Man wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
G-Man wrote: My sincerest apologies for the host error. The two names/rolecards are neighbors in my secret hosting lair and I grabbed the wrong one when starting my post.
Wait, did you post, delete, then post?
Nothing gets by you.

IGNORE MY THOUGHTS REGARDING THE MARMOT

G-Man wrote: My sincerest apologies for the host error. The two names/rolecards are neighbors in my secret hosting lair and I grabbed the wrong one when starting my post.

Wait, did you post, delete, then post?

YO

WAIT ONE GODDAMNED SECOND

MM YOUR NAME IS ACTUALLY MARMOT NOW

linki - I'm pretty sure that was a slip considering SVS was civ Marmot friend.

Marmot is bad. Womp womp.

Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote: Besides, I don't believe SVS and DF are ok n the same team. If SVS flips civilian I can lynch DF w/o second thought.
What gives you that impression?
Just DF's interaction with SVS.

DrWilgy wrote:Baddies are JoH, SVS/DF, Quin/Sawyer, and llamotnosis.

Linki - Marmot my vote wasn't sneaky! I stated so in the chat. SVS is a better option to Jack, but I have my doubts on this one. I feel that Baddie SVS generally goes harder than what we see here but I could be wrong. I skimmed her ISO and I found that she had no strong suspicions/jack interactions and I'm semi-justifying my vote to myself that way. Besides, I don't believe SVS and DF are ok n the same team. If SVS flips civilian I can lynch DF w/o second thought.
I need you to elaborate on this. What's the connection?
I don't consider DF's interactipn with SVS to be that of two who are on a team, yet I'm suspicious of both of them for similar reasons. I'm proably wrong on 1 and right on the other.
Why is that more probable than wrong on both?

Simply because I want to be right.

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote: Besides, I don't believe SVS and DF are ok n the same team. If SVS flips civilian I can lynch DF w/o second thought.
What gives you that impression?
Just DF's interaction with SVS.

DrWilgy wrote:Baddies are JoH, SVS/DF, Quin/Sawyer, and llamotnosis.

Linki - Marmot my vote wasn't sneaky! I stated so in the chat. SVS is a better option to Jack, but I have my doubts on this one. I feel that Baddie SVS generally goes harder than what we see here but I could be wrong. I skimmed her ISO and I found that she had no strong suspicions/jack interactions and I'm semi-justifying my vote to myself that way. Besides, I don't believe SVS and DF are ok n the same team. If SVS flips civilian I can lynch DF w/o second thought.
I need you to elaborate on this. What's the connection?

I don't consider DF's interactipn with SVS to be that of two who are on a team, yet I'm suspicious of both of them for similar reasons. I'm proably wrong on 1 and right on the other.

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