The Syndicate

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:31 pm I'd like to know Mac's excuses for missing the last two votes. Not accusing him of anything but it stands out to me on my spreadsheet, as boisterous as he's been when he's around.

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Hey G, did you comment on my question last night? Regarding your suspicion on me, do you think letting non-play persist is acceptable? Do you know who'd I'd vote if I was more sure of the low posters?

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:19 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:26 pm It is also possible that DFaraday is either town or Mewtwo and also absorbed the night kill last night.
Is he immortal in your head Quin?
Why poking fun?

A 3rd party that can survive a lynch, that's fine.

A 3rd party that can survive a nk, also fine.

Both? Now I have speculation as to how serious this comment was.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:26 pm It is also possible that DFaraday is either town or Mewtwo and also absorbed the night kill last night.

Is he immortal in your head Quin?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:41 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:26 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:40 am Guys

Vote me plz
Y tho?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:49 amOr we have a civ governor who made a terrible decision.
Explain.
Because I want to evolve.

Because we learned nothing and gave mafia an extra night kill.

Answers are always so short and sweet with you DDL.

boo wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:29 am He knew he was going to survive, it wasn't a pardon.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:14 pm Also, I hate to say it, but if people are insistent on trying to lynch me, I really need to let you know that you're wasting your time. It won't be a good civ outcome if I'm up for lynching.

Boo is right, DF knew this was going to happen.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:40 am Guys

Vote me plz

Y tho?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:49 amOr we have a civ governor who made a terrible decision.

Explain.

boo wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:44 am It's based on stuff. And some things. If I was gunning for you yet, you'd know why. Till then, I'll hold onto it.

I've said my piece on what I have to say about Eloh and tink and la and why it all comes together for why DF needs to go.

His survival hasn't changed my mind, I would like to try again. A fully evolved baddie surviving a lynch wouldn't surprise me at all.

Why though? The only reason I'd see for holding information would be if there were too many variables.

But why? It seems that you are working soley on . Is the a specific Hazlenut post that you can point out to me?

I agree with bolded.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:40 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:38 pm Just skimmed through DF, and DDL is right regarding him never interacting with Sprityo.

Is this a slip?
DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:53 pm We've been getting kills every night up until now though. I guess Tink could have been sending kills up to this point, but it doesn't seem likely to me.

If I were bad, wouldn't I say "we've been sending kills"?

Seriously, don't lynch me.

The only difference between sending and getting is result or achievement.

Dizzy said we'd have something. Dizzy where are you at?

Boo, please respond to my previous question for you and answer this, what is your suspicion of me based on? I saw that I was someone else you'd like to lynch.

Guess it doesn't matter, Polls over.

Why do we wait until the last 2 hours to actually discuss?

Just skimmed through DF, and DDL is right regarding him never interacting with Sprityo.

Is this a slip?

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:53 pm We've been getting kills every night up until now though. I guess Tink could have been sending kills up to this point, but it doesn't seem likely to me.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:25 pmLinki: I'm beginning to get weirded out by Wilgy's game-long desire to eliminate inactives. It's almost nakedly opportunistic, which provides WIFOM.

Tell me, what do you see as the worst case scenario in a game G-Man?

boo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:00 pm Okay, so people are still being bullheaded, so I'll just dump it. DF took his best shot and failed now anyways (suck it), so I'll make it as clear as I can:

At the time Eloh was lynched, there were two possibilities. She had a type of role (almost definitely civ, occasionally indie) that she loves, and often has in Epi games, or Tink has it and had targeted Eloh early on. I believe anyone who has played with Eloh in such a game where she had a role like that would know what was going on. I am certain DF fits the bill there. And he voted for her. He's bad. He voted for her and risked that 1) because it was a reasonable risk, lots of people wouldn't know this I imagine, 2) people who do know it don't like to bring up this style of meta-ness, 3) people who do know it are people who he wanted to NK anyways, so he got rid of them.

La was also part of that tink/Eloh group of people tink targeted. My best guess is, given the numbers, she had 1 other use and that person is already dead. Probably NKed early on. I think the reason tink has gone mia is a lack of interest given people she trusted are all dead. And maybe another possibility, but that's not important.

Anyways, la wanted to lynch DF because she knew it. I've picked it up.

As for teammates. Wilgy and quin are my top two choices. But I still want to lynch DF first, because I'm confident about him.

What? I'm missing something here.
1) How did we know this about Eloh? Regarding her/Tink having a role they loved?
2) Tink targeted Eloh and Nutella?
3) Didn't Nutella find DF suspect for Sprityo interactions?

DF has been a quiet neutral in my head, but that's how he always is when civ or 3rd party. When Nutella pointed at DF

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:18 pm
DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:33 pm Oh wow. Good job, Sprit voters!
This is the first time DF mentions spirit in the game.

This does spike my curiosity.

I'm going to have to go through this mess and fully reread DF now.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:10 pm I am a little disappointed by lack of discussion around boo. He tied for the lynch on Day 2. What happened?

Idk, his interactions with Sprityo proved that he's probably not a teammate, but his recent activity has me second guessing myself.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:03 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:13 am The actions of mafia are full of manipulation and lies.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:30 am
Quin wrote:Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:37 pm I recall a lot of mechanics talk by Luffy in the beginning of ASOUE, and he was town. I don't think it's odd for him.
I'm a tournament pokemon player.

Im having a field day with this game.
Speaking of which, when will the next VGC format be announced?

@Domoquin, have you finished forming a read of me? Do you have any questions? what do you think?

I'm still down for murking the ever-missing Dizzy. This shit's getting ridiculous.
I did just now. My only real qualm is that I don't understand how sprityo's lack of condemnation of low-posters influences your read on Dizzy. Can you elaborate on how Dizzy is a compatible teammate?

As for you, I'm content with a light town read. You don't steer me any which way, but the lack of pings on Day 6 is a point in your favour.

Unless I missed something, Sprityo and Dizzy never interacted and that makes me slightly concerned.

DF claims that I was chummy with Sprityo, but I don't see it as Sprityo's ISO seemed consistently chummy with all of his interactions (perhaps there's some bias in there). This makes me think the inconsistencies he would have had when interacting with teammates were hidden by avoiding them all together.

Not that that seals the deal on Dizzy, more so I think it validates my want to elimimate the wallflowers he didn't even interact with. You and Mac would be included in that, but you seem to be wanting to be more involved and Mac is one of the players I think I have a good read on.

I was hoping for a minute there you'd have more posts of mine to discuss.

Alittle over 3 hours and we have 2 votes. Here we go fam.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:31 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:17 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:20 pm I have no idea who to vote. My slight towns when I left was Nut, Timmer, DF and DDL. The two latter who are left alive are questionable to me seeing the Sprit/Tink vote poll.
Re reading the last cycle may help you. Votes were very spread out and you may be able to sift through who's thoughts were genuine or not.

Without a read from you, I still think culling you is in our best interest.

I'd also happily vote DDL today.
You have any real reason to think I'm scum, or just want to kill me cause I haven't been here? Genuine question. Will read when bf is in bed lulz.

Because you haven't been here. I've been wanting to eliminate variables for the past 3 cycles.

The whole leaving when you were a generally accepted civ read doesn't sit right with me, but that's minor.

I'm still unsure of Quin for this matter as well, even though he's been here recently, he's still very null.

At the moment, you two are the two I'd lose a game with if it was lylo.

@Hosts, how much time remains? I don't see the poll's locking time.

Hey Dizzy, ai want your thoughts on Quin. ISO them rq, it shouldn't take long.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:20 pm I have no idea who to vote. My slight towns when I left was Nut, Timmer, DF and DDL. The two latter who are left alive are questionable to me seeing the Sprit/Tink vote poll.

Re reading the last cycle may help you. Votes were very spread out and you may be able to sift through who's thoughts were genuine or not.

Without a read from you, I still think culling you is in our best interest.

I'd also happily vote DDL today.

boo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:22 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:51 am
boo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:42 am I still want to lynch DF. He knows why.
Boo what's the chance that Sprityo was just distancing from you while he was alive?
0.00%. Repeating, of course.

So why have you taken this passive "Let's lynch DF because Hazelnut said so" and haven't contributed much else for the past cycle?

boo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:42 am I still want to lynch DF. He knows why.

Boo what's the chance that Sprityo was just distancing from you while he was alive?

Review Sprityo's ISO and tell me who his teammates are.

I've been trying to lynch you the past 2 cycles. Theres that.

Big one is that Sprityo was bad, we murked him in a tie with Tink.

Minor is that Dom is now Quin, and I still want to murder you.

Holy fuck

The actions of mafia are full of manipulation and lies.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:30 am
Quin wrote:Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:37 pm I recall a lot of mechanics talk by Luffy in the beginning of ASOUE, and he was town. I don't think it's odd for him.
I'm a tournament pokemon player.

Im having a field day with this game.

Speaking of which, when will the next VGC format be announced?

@Domoquin, have you finished forming a read of me? Do you have any questions? what do you think?

I'm still down for murking the ever-missing Dizzy. This shit's getting ridiculous.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:41 pm If we're thinking it's a missed nightkill, Tink and Dizzy come to mind first. Tink's been gone since Night 1, and Dizzy never posted during the night. I think everyone else did, though I'll verify that.

Quin. Your drunk. Go home.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:46 pm boo and Wilgy also didn't post during the night.

Hello I am Wilgy.

I'm sorry to disappoint, but I don't think there are any then.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:01 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:58 am Furthermore, Mac, what would you expect from me if I was Mafia? what would you expect from me if I was town?
Would I tell you what I believe about your meta?

I have some pretty solidified thoughts about Wilgymeta. I have played a ton of games with you as a mafia teammate after all.

I don't think you would without me pestering you. I think you'd shout "Wilgy is bad" with three

's if you noticed anything reminiscent of my baddie play. That question was more "If I pointed out why I can't be mafia, what type of explanation would you expect from me if I was mafia vs civ?"

Furthermore, Mac, what would you expect from me if I was Mafia? what would you expect from me if I was town?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:51 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:45 amSorry dad, but did you actually expect me to tell you why I can't be mafia? While everyone reevaluating their reads of me won't yield anything, I'm excited, as it means there may be some perspective shift AND I will be able to get further insight from other players.
Yes, as I said to neverwhere I mean to just get you to point at the posts that make you town. Like you did kind of when you explained the sprityo thing above. What's wrong with the question?

Mac, I look forward to people reading me and I'd rather have those reads be influenced by me as a whole rather what I bring attention to. I think I flourish as a player the more I interact with people.

There is nothing wrong with the question, I guess I just dislike it for the reason above.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:51 am It's really not a lot of work to a guy like Wilgy tbh. He hasn't even got two pages of posts. That explanation stands out as a lie to me from Luffy.

I forgot to comment on this. I agree.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:45 am I am currently working a plotline in which Wilgy and Quin are the remaining Mafia players.

Reasons -

Wilgy started pushing for a Dom wagon when Sprityo was up for a lynch. I hypothesise here that he became a little bit enamoured with the idea of bussing, but softly tried to get a Dom wagon going for the cred so he would have a teammate that was active at least.

He also softly defends Dom here.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:09 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:03 pm I voted for Dom, no great reason. Not very useful but I didn't want to miss the vote.
Remember when you were bad and randy voted? Wilgy remembers
Here are posts where he started to try to point at Dom.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:06 pm Everyone.

DOM IS STILL ALIVE

why are we voting for someone who has the potential to contribute as their vacation won't last forever? Explain it to me as if I'm 5.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:16 pm A Dom flip does 2 very important things for us.
1. On flip, If civ, this validates that mafia may be amongst the ones preaching to purge low posters. On flip, if mafia, we can assume mafai aren't wanting to hit low posters.
2. We kill a wallflower, and won't have to deal with it later.

Assuming we gain no info from a wallflower purge is shallow.
Remember that this is all on the day Sprityo was lynched. So it's also a potential Sprityo defense.

It's also an interesting contrast with this comment. Wilgy is just all over the place. That's Wilgy every time meta but here it seems a bit more contrived than normal.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:08 pm Anyone wanna tie Mac and Dom, and have them fight to the death as they aren't here lol? Also now that I have some hindsight, it kinda sucks that TSP died right as he entered the game. Probably should have saved him rgardless of the alignment. Oh well, wasn't here.

I know you've iced this in your head, but some more info on that day: The issue with this is that the Sprityo wagon only formed after I voted for him. I went from wanting to murder Dom to wanting to murder either Tink or Sprityo as all seemed to be valid options.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:35 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:32 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:24 am Okay step 1 in solving the game.

DrWilgy - Tell me why you can't be Mafia.
But Mac, I am mafia.
Funny haha but Macserious is here not Mactroll or Macplayful so don't fuck with me boy.

Sorry dad, but did you actually expect me to tell you why I can't be mafia? While everyone reevaluating their reads of me won't yield anything, I'm excited, as it means there may be some perspective shift AND I will be able to get further insight from other players.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:24 am Okay step 1 in solving the game.

DrWilgy - Tell me why you can't be Mafia.

But Mac, I am mafia.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:25 pm
DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:57 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:22 pm Goodluck and godspeed Gman.

Linki - neat, would you say my tone is overly chummy towards sprit when compared to others?
Not really, but Sprit seemed to be joking around with you and Fred and not really anyone else that I noticed. For now I'll put my vote on you because I think Fred's voting on the day Sprityo died looks a little better for him.
Odd, I strictly remember him also joking with JoH and afew others.

Interesting that you say Fred's vote looked better. How does Fred's NA vote hold more value than my Tink vote? How does it compare when you take into account that both of us moved off Sprit at one point?
When you switched your vote super late in the day, it pinged me, like you might be trying to save a teammate.

So wait, I went from helping the Sprit wagon form to saving him over the course of the cfd?

DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:57 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:22 pm Goodluck and godspeed Gman.

Linki - neat, would you say my tone is overly chummy towards sprit when compared to others?
Not really, but Sprit seemed to be joking around with you and Fred and not really anyone else that I noticed. For now I'll put my vote on you because I think Fred's voting on the day Sprityo died looks a little better for him.

Odd, I strictly remember him also joking with JoH and afew others.

Interesting that you say Fred's vote looked better. How does Fred's NA vote hold more value than my Tink vote? How does it compare when you take into account that both of us moved off Sprit at one point?

Man, I get the feeling this next hour is gonna be a clusterfug.

Lol, I was messing DDL.

My most recent team normally beat out chancies by forcing the swap with band landorus and beating the team aroud the chancy.

Linki - Why?

Goodluck and godspeed Gman.

Linki - neat, would you say my tone is overly chummy towards sprit when compared to others?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:12 pm
Not if you focus blast them. Then they need high special defenses.

Also you can status them, as they have no natural resistances.

Gengar used Focus Blast

It's Super Effective! 20% damage.

Chansey used Softboiled. Heals 50%.

Gengar used Will-O-Wisp. Chansey is burned.

Chansey switches out. Heals burn automatically thanks to hax ability.

>not packing mean look and toxic

Tink wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:09 pm Elohcin
6
50%
Voters: DrWilgy, Dragon D. Luffy, DFaraday, G-Man, Neverwhere, Fredwood

I'm coming for you guys one by one...starting with G-Man.

Mother of god.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:01 pm Just to end this: normal's biggest downside is that nothing is weak to them.

Though normals are only weak to fighting so it's still decent. A normal with good defenses can be a pain to take down.

Not if you focus blast them. Then they need high special defenses.

Also you can status them, as they have no natural resistances.

Memes.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:02 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:00 pm Also... civs can't scum slip.
Sure, but you didn't know if I were a civ or not when you asked that question (and still don't).

Doesn't matter, a civ can't scum slip. The notion of me baiting a scum slip naturally won't be a civ worry.

Tink wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:03 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:15 pm I think we're going to want to return to these lists overnight and also on Day 5. For now, I don't trust the Eloh option.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:19 pm I'm going against my better judgement anyway. Voting Eloh.
Let your yes be yes and your no be no.

So if you said yes that Eloh is good, then that's your guess, and so you can't change your mind and say no and vote to lynch her.

I'm sorry Tink. She's gone...

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:56 pm

DDL has assured us of his "bad civ game" and followed suit. I need to see some good civ game. Him asking me if i was trying to set him up to scum slip was my initial ping and it hasn't changed.
Well that's the only way I could interpret your motivaton for asking that.

You must have pretty limited sight then. Also... civs can't scum slip.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:52 pm Voting Fred for now then. I dont wanna risk lynching the wrong legendary.

Mew is mythic, not legendary

Interesting Gman, I didn't notice that. Would you say that we are both floaty or fluffy? You managed to not throw any opinions about either of us while looking at us. Why?

I've said all I care to regarding Dizzy, the case is simple, I'm not confident in it, but I'm confident that we need to not enable this afk gameplay. Sprityo never hard pushing for wallflowers reassures me, but it's hard to judge someone who's not here.

With fred I'd have to go back and find the exact instances that I agreed with him being bad.

DDL has assured us of his "bad civ game" and followed suit. I need to see some good civ game. Him asking me if i was trying to set him up to scum slip was my initial ping and it hasn't changed.

What are your thoughts on these 3 G-Man?

Thoughts on all players atm.

Boo - Where your head at? I need to reveiw your recent input. Following the Sprityo lynching I still feel good about you.

DF - I feel rather null towards you, but tone wise and meta related I read you as civ. Regarding Nutella's suspicion of you, I disagree. Reviewing that interaction, I felt that Sprityo was trying to focus on me rather you. If you were mafia, I think you would have caught my eye more.

DDL - I'm still suspicious of you. Your recent votes have been bad and idk know why you are voting Gman now.

Dizzy - time to die homie.

Fredwood - I also dislike your vote pattern. I agree with suspicions voiced against you. Mainly Mac.

G-Man - You are one of the few I feel is legitimately hunting... or at least encouraging hunting.

Mac - This guy was too pumped after Sprits death to be bad.

Neverwhere - also somewhat null. I can see you being bad while knowing to ask the right questions, but... your asking the right questions and it makes me feel good about you.

Quin - bruh, you need to stop this lengthy catch up and share recent opinions.

Tink - where u at fam?

Tl;dr let's kill Dizzy, fred, or ddl in that order.

So, did quick math. With 2 mafia remaining we can have only 4 more mislynches until game over.

Im kinda inclined to lynch dizzy this phase. Out of all the low posters, Dizzy's mechanic talk into securing an early game commonly excepted civ read into gone just doesn't sit right. Reviewing Sprityo, I barely saw any interactions nor did Sprityo ever really advocate mass murder of low posters.

@Nutella, can you elaborate on your suspicion of DF? I see that it's through the interactions between him and Sprit, but I don't follow it.

@everyone, where the hell is Dizzy?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:00 pm Any way we could get a deadchat somewhere? That'd be cool.

Only if I'm the moderator.

In all actuality, you may want to directly PM Epi/Simon about this as I think they are still mobile bound.

@Gman
1. Fredwood, the other 3 are unlikely
2. Eloh, followed by Dizzy (where did dizzy go?). Domoquin is interchangeable as they are still afk.
3. DDL

@DF, Eloh had pinged me towards the end of last cycle with the Tink claim. What were your thoughts on this?

I am somewhat made hesitant from Eloh taking the lead while I was away.

Womp womp.

I don't disagree with the fredwood suspicion and will probably be voting there myself, but this is turning out to be a boring day.

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