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Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:53 pm Wilgy voting for me and then 'falling asleep' sounded like such bull as well. Were you lying, Wilgy?

Absolutely not. I was messing with you when I fell asleep. Totally intended to try to pick off DDL that day.

Thank you for the game hosts. I was able to put on what I felt was a good baddie game. The first one since star wars really and it was in a theme that has a nice place in my heart.

Epi, I gotta ask.

What role did type have in the game?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:37 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:53 am Shame someone knew to kill you right off the back am I right?
That would be my doing

At least I now know that if JoH dies early, you gotta lynch sprityo immediately.

Shame someone knew to kill you right off the back am I right?

Yesssssssss

I'm going back to rationality and voting DDL.
>His DF vote has decent chance to be a bus
>His piggyback vote was too easy
>Consistently telling things that I can only see as half truth
>There's 0 percent chance for civ win if I'm lynched

Shows starting now. Good luck civs. DDL, if your my teammate im hilding this against you

I'm paranoid as fuck and I'm voting G-Man.
>His scrambling up evolution could have been a BTSC caused event.
>He pushed for me extremely hard when DF was up to die.
>His saving vote before leaving was probably a safety because he won't be here.

I am becoming very worried, more so because I'm at the theatre and I need to turn off my phone soon.

What logic are you using to rationalize that G-Man is your teammate?

Mine is DDL's vote is not indicative of him being my teammate, while G-Man's was.

My thoughts in regards to DDL being my teammate is that G-Man pushed hard for my lynch during the Faraday lynch. If this is between 2 civs I'm going to be pissed.

This kinda stinks. I'm uncomfortable that the game is potentially on a coin flip if Gman is my teammate.

DDL, does Fighting doesn't super effectively hit Malamar does it?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:38 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:11 am Wilgy who did you vote for last night?
I've stopped submitting evo points altogether.

@DDL, why was G-man 3rd party in your head?

I'm not gonna beat around the bush, seeing this month of gameplay end with me being mislynched will be very disappointing.

Something that makes me feel somewhat good is that if G-Man was not my teammate he would have dropped a vote on me as well and that'd be that.

I can't tell if DDL insisting that Boo is civilian is just a matter of disagreement with me, or a forced perspective. I think Boo has outright told us he's not civilian.

Boo also being a pro-town 3rd party also means that those possible lies of DDL's that boo pointed out are genuine reads.

If G-Man is bad, you are cruel for not voting for me.

boo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:57 pmI think it no longer matters. The civs just lost. Mostly because at this point, they deserve to, imo.

Boo is not civilian, and based on his actions toward DF I think he's a pro-town mewboo. If he is pro-town though, his vote right now is wrong.

I'm voting DDL at the moment. Let's see what happens.

I'd like everyone's thoughts on e/o.

Boo is 3rd party. I've concluded that.

G-Man - Looked too during Sprityo lynch, didn't look good at any point following that. It has taken me awhile, but agreeing with observations does not indicate him being my teammate. The "black whole" evo point confusion gives me hesitation. Would G-man discuss such matters in BTSC then accidentally blurt in thread while confused?

DDL - I was very much suspicious of you until the DF lynch. You being under suspicion from me also may have been your insensitive to bus. You piggybacking Boo's vote is very unsettling as I'm 100% sure he's not your teammate if you have one.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:11 am Wilgy who did you vote for last night?

I've stopped submitting evo points altogether.

@DDL, why was G-man 3rd party in your head?

I get it, you don't care who gets lynched today do you boo?

So we are in a 2 v 1 v 1. DDL jumped on Boo's vote immediately (or at least before I woke up). The only explanation for this is that DDL either has to be 3rd party or Mafia. I don't think DDL is my teammate, If he is then his vote was very unwise.

@G-Man, regarding the perspective observation you made. I agree with you, throughout this game I have seen Boo amd DDL refer to civs as if they weren't one. The one that stood out the strongest was boo saying that "civs deserve to lose."

@Boo why are you still alive?

Good morning. Why do I have two votes?

Shit. I fell asleep.

Sorry Quin. I voted you prodding. I didn't mean to leave it there.

boo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:55 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:27 pm I didn't want to repeat previous votes and she was Next Best Thing.

Also I was under the impression I had given more votes to Wilgy.
That doesn't make sense. Why not repeat someone you had previously chosen, when by that point you did not trust dizzy at all and did trust other living people.

I think you're bad, and your list is fake (makes no sense for a baddie to keep choosing anyone once both their teammates are dead).

Voting ddl.

Odd. What do you think about G-Man's list?

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:42 pm I voted for Tink twice after we lynched Eloh because it clicked that Eloh had info on Tink. At least that's how I chose to interpret it. Neverwhere on Night 6 for the heck of it. Paranoia was setting in and I didn't trust any of the actives.

And Dom? Were you paranoid then too?

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:08 pm I could vote for Quin. Dom being Sprityo and DFaraday's teammate makes some sense.

Can you argue for it not making sense?

I still want to lynch you, but I liked your responses to me. This is making me hesitant. I'll be pretty mad at myself if I'm wrong about you, but I think that's coming from how flared up I got towards you day 7.

I agree with Quins opinions on who you gave evo points to. Why so many towards inactives?

*points up*

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:46 pm oh but that's totally not happening here k

Well then...

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:40 pm It's also totally impossible that Dom was bad and wasn't around to send evo points, screwing with that whole process, by the way. Pinky promise.

Because bad Quin would've hid Dom's absence. This wouldn't have been pointed out.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:37 pm If the mafia team were strictly alternating their evolution points between them, sprityo should have evolved into Persian before the time he was lynched (since we gave points Night 0, Night 1 and Night 2). He hadn't, therefore they didn't.

Quin. I like this. I like this alot.

Do you know why?

I'm sure my list will help us in finding this last baddie

Let's compare.
d0 - Missed
n1 - JoH
n2 - LC
n3 - Mac
n4 - G-Man
n5 - Mac
n6 - Quin
n7 - DDL
n8 - Missed

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:26 am Guys, are you still sending evolution votes?

I was wondering if we could try to reveal who we voted for all game, and maybe try to use that to analyse each other.

Just an idea.

I like this idea, I'll go flip through my pm's and let you know later.

As for now. It is time for work.

With one player left hiding, what do rainbows do for us?

been busy today. Sorry for my absence.

The only thing that gives me hesitation is that DDL was barely present for yesterdays events. I can only see a bus scenario if DDL was planning on bussing then swapping near EoD, and just didnt make it.

Regardless Dizzy's a good choice. I think we will have more clarity once they are gone.

Kay, I didn't get to do what I wanted and have been busy.

I will vote to save DDL. It doesn't make sense for him to be bad based on his actions during the DF lynch.

Assuming he was his teammate, I don't think he would have bussed on DF's second death. I see no incentive to as it was a tie.

Work ended up getting really busy. After dinner I'll look at your response G and your suspicion on Neverwhere DDL.

Skimming through G-Man's ISO.

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:36 pmsprityo: Fluffy McFlufferson. You upped your game recently but I still don't trust you. I might like to watch you die.

This was G's call out on Sprit being fluffy.

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:16 pm I'm voting Sprityo. Top suss, best bet. Good discussion today, Fred.

I remembered why I had G-Man on my civ list for so long. I agreed with what he had said the day we lynched Sprit. Now as I reread, I see that there was pressure from both DDL and Fred and I believe Tink still had the lead at this time. I can see incentive to bus Sprit when there was only a chance for him to be lynched.

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G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:45 pm I've gathered the following in chronological order. Some are Sprityo's words and some are my thoughts.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:22 pm So I don't get the purpose of putting 6 names down. From what I can read in the OP it's just one person you vote for. But my list is as follows:

Speedchuck - because we're CPI buddies
Dom - because I'm afraid of Dom. Always.
Jack - because I "like" jack as a person
DrWigly - because he's a doctor
LC - because I like LC as a person
Mac - because I haven't seen Mac in forever it feels like
He was an early-adopter of the "Boo is twisting words" crew and voted for Boo. Early cred grab or a lazy attempt at a mis-lynch? Not long after, he says Nutella looks better (possibly if we go the Boo v. Nutella route?).

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:26 pm In my gut i want to say i trust DDL a lot even though looking at his ISO didnt give me a whole lot to go off of outside of his dislike for timmer and a scuffle with jack.

I saw some things about LC and speed being tossed around too. LC mostly, like nutella was against boo on his whole concept, which is correct. but i think why i keep seeing the names together is how he discusses with speedchuck a sort of vote alliance thing for tonight. and.... thats really it? not much else i can go on, he's essentially same level as nutella in terms of what he's doing. only nutella has been more argumentative about it and LC was taking pot shots here and there.

Speedchuck, starts out with some nice pro-towny things. he at least talks about it and not too much (which in retrospect makes him look better than how jack was arguing it) but thats because theres not much. and then he just kinda misses out and asks for a recap, so eh.

and then i wanted to cover jack since i just HAVE to, being he is who he is. we've gotten quite the "friendship". (i also just realized this post is half the people on my list, hmph. interesting) So overall jack actually.... looks good. i mean his disagreement with DDL wasnt a two sided thing, they both have their reasons. i would side with DDL on it based my personal opinion since having all vanilla towns is lame. but jack makes some decent posts in his actual banter, and he also throws down his opinions of people which is more than a lot of players have put out (then again it's day 1 and i can relate that it's hard to get reads sometimes)

I think that should be good, in retrospect, if i was to go into my list of 6, the other three, Dom, Mac, and DrWilgy, well i couldnt do the former two, and will change them if they dont show up tomorrow (the phase), and DrWilgy doesnt have enough for me to judge him im pretty sure. (at least, if im remembering right)
In these next two, he changes his list of folks for evo votes:
sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:24 am @DrWilgy, my list has changed. Quite drastically in fact due to 1/3 being dead. I would add DDL to the list since he is a prominent player in my opinion, And I would take off Dom since he has yet to appear. You are hesititantly on there still solely because I need 5-6 players but you haven't done anything spectacular to have me want to keep you there. I'll also add Nutella as a hesitant since she appears to be wanting to do the right thing but I'm not 100% sold on it. I think. This all coming without checking back on information is what I'd have my list at now. I'm keeping mac on the list since he has at least appeared and I'm interested in seeing what he does.

Finally, the original list I made, was for all the reasons I listed. Nothing more nothing less. Hence why you're now a hesitant instead of "lol cause he's a doctor"

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:25 am So if you wanted an updated list it'd be

LC
DDL
Nutella
Mac
*DrWilgy

He finally starts opining on people. Here he's criticizng my list of five (Fred, Neverwhere, Nutella, Sprityo, Tink):
sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:48 pm Question, why is Nutella and fredwood in that list?

Fredwood in general is looking better than you Gman.

I haven't really noticed Nutella much today, but I'm confident almost no one would vote for her. I feel like you added her in the for no apparent reason.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:57 pm I'd like to throw in, that I'm not entirely sure where you're getting the whole list from in the first place. Sidestepping a good half of the player base? Like you place either a "doesn't look good" or a "looks good, but then bad" on most everyone in the list you made. Excluding DF and DDL as the most prominent looking among the bunch. Back to the 5 people you mentioned though. In my eyes you've listed them as follows:

Disagreement man (Fred)
Somewhere (Neverwhere)
Hazelnut friend (Nutella)
Fluffy (Sprityo)
I do what I want. (Tink)

Realistically, you could've replaced 3 or 4 of these people with other players and still be about the same kind of list
The tin foil in my wants to say he's trying to protect more than just himself. I want to believe there is a teammate in my list of five.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:01 pm To directly answer your question, I'd pick tink, I don't think I'd pick everywhere since I haven't checked on their content. But I'd much rather lynch someone like DrWilgy, boo, Dom/Dyslexicon/Eloh, and Gman. Not to say I have evidence on them, but that I don't feel it in my gut that they're whole-y town sided. Something more so I should review over tonight since I'll be driving home and more than likely miss the lynch. In which case, I'm leaving my vote on tink.
Bingo. Pay dirt. Here we go! He says my list is dumb:
-Fredwood
-Neverwhere
-Nutella
-Sprityo
-Tink

And would rather hit someone on this list:
-Boo
-Dom
-DrWilgy
-Dyslexicon
-Eloh
-G-Man

Which leaves out these four:
-DFaraday
-Dragon D. Luffy
-Long Con
-MacDougall

If there was a teammate in my list, who do you think it is most likely to be?

If there is a teammate on his preferred hit list, who do you think it is most likely to be?

If there is a teammate on his list of omissions, who do you think it is most likely to be?

Here we see G-man's notes related to Sprityo and I see 3 questions following. Several players responded immediately, but I don't recall seeing any use of these questions from G-Man or any hard opinions based on these lists or questions.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:15 pm I think we're going to want to return to these lists overnight and also on Day 5. For now, I don't trust the Eloh option.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:19 pm I'm going against my better judgement anyway. Voting Eloh.

Why though? Why?

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:16 am It seems the first mention of 'black hole' Pokemon came after that post of mine. Perhaps I just screwed it up from the beginning with Faraday asking about Mew & Mewtwo getting evo votes. Neither one of them are baddies though, so that was a piss poor reading/assumption on my part. I've been pretty bad about keeping roles straight in my head lately, but this is a new low, as that post was the very first post from a player in the game.

KK, theory, what if the 'black hole' of evolution votes was discussed in btsc between Faraday and G-man before any of this popped up in the thread? Perhaps that would explain G-Man's confusion.

I'm going to take a break and resume after lunch.

Questions for G-Man -

Why should I not think that your Sprityo vote was a bus?

What have you gained from those three questions you made when you first ISO'd Sprityo post mortem?

Why the hell did you vote Eloh? there were plenty of voting options that day, but for some reason you were inclined to vote against what you had said one moment before. Why?

And lastly a quote from Nutella that caught my eye.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:25 pm Morons.

Let's lynch, in no particular order: Fredwood, DFaraday, and G-Man. Two out of three of them are the baddies.

G-Man, when I'm done flipping through you who do you want me to look at? I think it's only fair for you to make the call on who I ISO next.

I still think G-Man is the remaining baddie. I need to go back and review when exactly he started gunning for me and how that relates to the pressure on DF.

I will probably review DF in full tonight and see if I can find anything.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:17 am
Tink wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:57 am When Inkay evolves, he's very powerful and he basically can trance people to do what he wants, like maybe stop people from lynching him.
Id be more worried if his ability was Contrary, not Trance.

I can think of a lot of powerful ways Id interpret that one.

Considering Trance isn't an ability or move, my only thoughts that make me think this is the case is Inkay-Malamar's signature move "Topsy-Turvy" or Hypnosis.

Contrary Superpower Malamar best Malamar. No status bs.

Dizzy, always, idk if we have the time for that.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:56 pm Not particularly happy about a Wilgy lynch. His latest posts make me feel good. 'Tis some genuine stuff. I don't want to risk another missed lynch in DF and my G-Man lynch isn't going to happen, but I think I can get more out of him with some time anyway. Everyone else I have a civilian argument for. Thus, Neverwhere or Dizzy.

I voted for self pres. I want to see G-Man lynched vefore me.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:27 pm I voted for G-Man, he's my hardest scum read. I do feel kinda burnt that I'm going to be lynched before Dizzy, I feel like I've put too much effort into the game for that.

The fact that our discussion ended on a "haha I'm having a shit game" claim G-Man and your non inquisitive "this person can be bad, but I'll limit my questioning" really makes me think you aren't hunting, rather your sitting back as an observer.
I never mean to walk away from the game when I do. Mafia is my mistress and sometimes you have to ditch the mistress suddenly to avoid being caught. Weekends are perilous like that.

It's more than just this one event, it was similar when you voted Eloh.

Idk, it's like I said, I'm kinda burnt. I may take a mafia break after Nightvale. May vote who I'm finding suspect and just end my suffering.

I find myself at a crossroads.
- I can see value in lynching DF, while I'm not super suspicious of him.
- I see the most value in eliminating Dizzy.
- I'd like to lynch G-Man

I voted for G-Man, he's my hardest scum read. I do feel kinda burnt that I'm going to be lynched before Dizzy, I feel like I've put too much effort into the game for that.

The fact that our discussion ended on a "haha I'm having a shit game" claim G-Man and your non inquisitive "this person can be bad, but I'll limit my questioning" really makes me think you aren't hunting, rather your sitting back as an observer.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:16 pm Wilgy is giving me baddie Quin Mad Max vibes, his openness that he doesn't care about the alternatives while his preference is still alive was my shtick. It is scary.

@Wilgy, you're trying to lynch a low poster in Dizzy while Tink is much less active than he is. Am I missing something? What's up?

I don't know what you meam by that Quin. I was mislynched in madmax rivht as I became active.

With Dizzy, I have literally nothing keeping me from going "this persons not bad." I have nothing on Dizzy other than "Hahaha, look how inactive I am." And I dont get how we tolerate that kind of play.

With Tink, for them to be bad, the day we lynched Sprityo we would've had 2 baddies tied up. I don't think that's the case. Also, Eloh seemed very sure Tink was civ.

Go ahead and lynch me. I don't have time for this game tonight, and if you'd rather put me in the dirt than someone who hasn't attempted to play the game idgaf anymore.

Top scum reads are g-man, and ddl.
Only civ read is neverwhere but that's somewhat aged.

I'll be voting dizzy, don't know if I'll be back later tonight.

Gman throwing the "#havingashitgame" card consistently is bs. No one asked for that explanation, and you went straight from our conversation to that.

Rough day ahead m8s, wish me luck.

The words I'd use to describe you G-man is "air-like" or without much weight.

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:04 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:24 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:51 pm If you really wanted to share that perspective, you'd have shared it long before now.
Not when I think its of little importance. Now it's of importance due to either 1. You misurderstanding that persperctive, or 2. You are tying to be opportunistic around that perspective.

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I'm not looking for a power play here. I'm just having a little fun poking and prodding you before the night post drops.

I do find the whole thing odd but you flatter me with the insinuation that I'm crafty enough to try to turn everyone against you over this.

Crafty enough, maybe.

G-Man, the reason why I brought up you not answering my questions was because of a gut feel that you had left me when you voted. You voting me felt the same as when you voted Eloh.

Lazy, on a whim, and without much behind it. For someone who I generally accepted as civ for a majority of this game, it's very concerning that Im getting so many pings from you now.

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:51 pm If you really wanted to share that perspective, you'd have shared it long before now.

Not when I think its of little importance. Now it's of importance due to either 1. You misurderstanding that persperctive, or 2. You are tying to be opportunistic around that perspective.

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G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:16 pm It's too late for your story to help you any because you already played the "you never asked" defense.

You think that's a defense? Forgive me for wanting to share my perspective. Do I need to declare at the start of every game "I'll be lynching XYZ?"

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:04 pm If you have to be asked to share that kind of background information, then you are shady and toying with us.

I wasn't asked G-Man. Unfortunately you've been making comments about me and I've had to ask the questions.

I thought this was a commonly shared aggravation too. Does my perspective change this frustration that much?

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:04 pm If you have to be asked to share that kind of background information, then you are shady and toying with us.

I wasn't asked G-Man. Unfortunately you've been making comments about me and I've had to ask the questions.

I thought this was a commonly shared aggravation too. Does my perspective change this frustration that much?

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:56 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:31 pm I'd like to know Mac's excuses for missing the last two votes. Not accusing him of anything but it stands out to me on my spreadsheet, as boisterous as he's been when he's around.

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Hey G, did you comment on my question last night? Regarding your suspicion on me, do you think letting non-play persist is acceptable? Do you know who'd I'd vote if I was more sure of the low posters?
It's one thing to grumble about once the game reaches a certain point but it's another thing to park on that subject all game long. I can't recall the last time someone was so singularly focused on it like you've been.

Last time I was in a game with activity issues, I was mislynched when other players, including mafia, were putting no effort at all in the game. Nothing was more aggrivating than realizing that my win could be taken away by such lazy gameplay and that baddies could skip away with a free win doing nothing.

To dispute the too focused claim, I believe I have voiced my opinion regarding my DDL suspicion quite well, I will not however, lynch someone who is actually playing when Dizzy keeps disappearing and is throwing an extra semi-unreadable variable into the mix.

If you are really concerned about my focus, why not ask me questions that steer me away from my focus? Why not the "hey Wilgy, if a wallflower isn't an option, who would you vote for?" Instead you claim I'm opportunistic? Wouldn't my opportunism br brought to light by attempting to change my focus?

G-Man, why did you settle down on that suspicion of me without asking any questions?

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