The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:46 pm I think this game emphasizes how unaccustomed Syndicate regulars are to this kind of setup. The only person to claim anything was Wilgy. It seems forgotten that the secondary objective of vanilla civilians is to draw the Night kill, thereby keeping the civilian power roles in play for as long as possible. In this setup, people were free to make up any role power they wanted to claim.

I noticed this but figured it was none of my concern.

I realized that Boom was bad when LC died.

LC's a civ whos semi vocal and voicing a distrust of me? They died? Boom immediately tries to follow up that dead suspicion as if it was his own without mentioning LC was the one to raise this suspicion? Boom Started to scramble and swapped suspicion over to tsp as soon as the opportunity arose?

I was just hoping you were bad with him Eloh I couldn't tell.

Made or TSP being his teammate was a coinflip.

Sorry Eloh

Oooh hyes yum yum yum.

Ok chorizo familia.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:51 pm Alright...so obviously you don't want to lynch made. Who do you want to lynch? Just curious.

Eh, TSP or Boomslang.

Probably TSP. Idk how he's still alive following the Rico tie shindig. I swore he would have been NK'd like n3.

Also based on this being a heist and I'm indy, Im assuming there's only 1 baddie left. That's just a hunch
based on the numbers in this game.

Yeah, Epi didn't tell me that. I chose y'all. Everynight I can choose someone. If there are more chosen players alive than non chosen by the end of the game I win.

I also chose DF and Niju but they decided to go die on me.

I guess why I offer this is because,

A.) Civs lynching me may at least give them some closure. I trust that they wouldn't decline me my win condition after I have trusted them with the reveal of my flip.

B.) My lynch isn't a baddie lynch, giving them more time. I trust that mafia would respect ny win condition if I give then this day cycle.

So... I won't move my vote. Who wants to kill me? Who doesn't beleive me? Who wants to know the truth above all else?

1. I survive with any combination of Made or Eloh

Or

2. Made and Eloh survive the remainder of the game.

This means If you think I'm bad, feel free to lynch me, but after I flip do respect that killing Made or Eloh would only decline me my win condition.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:54 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:07 am

Boomslang wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:58 pm Wilgy is making excuses: he knew when end of day was, and so did everyone else who didn't vote. If they really wanted their plan to go through, they could've done so.

If both Made and Neverwhere were civ, the Mafia wouldn't have had any incentive to vote and be on record. Same for an indie who can just switch his win con. So really everyone who didn't vote is suspect.

Dude, you posted that you voted Neverwhere about 9 min b4 eod. That's not even fair for everyine your targeting here lol.

That's completely fair in any game where people are actually paying attention and trying to win for the civs. People are usually camped out at EOD, excited to see what happens. I think you just didn't care about the outcome one way or another because you knew it'd be good for you.

Also, the original plan was a 2v2 tie anyway iirc, so you should've been expecting people to vote. Encouraging a 1v1 tie is encouraging nonparticipation and less info for future decisions.

Good for me and irrelevant to me are two very different things with the same outcome.

And how is this non-participation my fault or relevant to what happened in regards to me?

Also, I think I can spill my win condition now. Interested?

Boomslang wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:58 pm Wilgy is making excuses: he knew when end of day was, and so did everyone else who didn't vote. If they really wanted their plan to go through, they could've done so.

If both Made and Neverwhere were civ, the Mafia wouldn't have had any incentive to vote and be on record. Same for an indie who can just switch his win con. So really everyone who didn't vote is suspect.

Dude, you posted that you voted Neverwhere about 9 min b4 eod. That's not even fair for everyine your targeting here lol.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:21 pm Don't try to blame this on me, Wilgy. You could've tied the vote, or literally anyone else could have. I actually made a decision.

I legit said "I don't have to vote" and left. I saw there was a tie and was content knowing Neverwhere would die. If I was around to tie it up I would have. Idk what you wanted from me m8.

You also posted that you voted around 7:21... not even 10 min until the poll closed. Even if I was here to tie it up you gave us 9 min to rework something that was coordinated well in advance. Something that others made the decision to do.

It seemed that a majority of people wanted to reevaluate my claim as well. You, by yourself, decided against that when you placed your vote.

Now, Eloh was there. Idk why she didn't point out that this would have murked up the test plan. I guess she did a little... the time constraint was also there. W/e

All I know is that you took a gamble via voting. You wanted to punish a no show and you did. Now civs need to hunt to win. I don't think testing me is too wise at this point.

Hmm...

You could always test me through voting me and the person you find most suspicious up to a tie. I won't die because I put myself last as the tie priority (duh) and the other player will die.

I don't know what more you want from me other than this. I helped the civs, and then called a tie with utmost confidence.

I'm rambling now... I guess this is because part of me still wants civs to win even though I don't need them to. I guess that's just the friendly neighborhood indy that I want to be inherently. I know civs won't win of they choose to not believe me.

I will vote for myself. Tie me up with whom you find suspect and that'd be that.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:08 am Ok, so Wilgy didn't vote.... he could have made it a tie... and made the plan work... and then has the nerve to say:

What the hell, I thought the goal was to test me?

Hey Wilgy: maybe vote and make it a tie if you want the plan to work! WTF? Like, really, WTF????!!

I openly explained I wouldn't vote. Boomslang didn't have to make it uneven with the last minute "I don't like this plan, let's derail it."

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:22 am Yes. I'm beginning to think wilgy's whole role is made up.

By all means test my claim to your hearts content.

What the hell, I thought the goal was to test me?

W/e Neverwhere was gonna die anyways.

Sluuuurmp.

Hmm... I think its understandable why I'm not super invested in this game.

Where the hell is everyone else.

Snooooooorefestamirite?

I mean. I don't haaaave to vote.

Yeah sure.

I wouldn't mind being retested.

They can, but they would be wrong. I did kill Rico.

Besides, I do not count numberwise towards their win condition.

Hmm... thought I had another day.

Rip in pepperoni DF.

Yup

zombie martini!

I wish I had taken your offer for a drink Niju.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:30 am Wilgy. You voted for boomslang day 2. Does this mean you think he is civ or baddie? This is not a question about your role and I expect it ti be answered promptly.

I have no opinion on Boomslang tbh. Why I voted him is a daytime question.

*shakes finger*

Nuh uh TSP. It's not daytime yet. ;-)

Ok, no more haikus. I can't handle it anymore. Idk how the hell Rico posts in gimmick.

Here's what's up. I'm the 3rd party tie breaker. I can win with either civs or mafia, and I'm no one's enemy.

I was waiting until I lynched a mafia to say anything as a sign of good faith towards the civs. Luckily, that happened day one.

I do need to survive for awhile in order to achieve my win condition. I won't say what that is.

As a sign of good faith towards the scum, I will not be hunting from here on out. I will vote day to day in accordance to my independent win condition.

As of right now, I have submitted a random list for who takes priority in a tie. I will not change this list until I die. Speaking of which, I can manipulate ties post mortem. If I do happen to be lynched, I will side all ties in what I think is favorable to mafia. To the opposite, if I'm nk'd I'll side all ties in what I think is favorable to civs (you see how that went with Rico).

To keep myself involved in the game somewhat. I will answer the first 2 questions presented to me from 2 separate players each day phase. I will not share my win condition regardless of question.

Shall we have some fun?

Good luck in your game.
Get them cities amd VP's.
Refrigerator.

Oh, during day 1.
I chose Rico to be slain.
Your welcome civvies.

Enrique will die
In spite of the tie I made
I hope that is neat

I guess it is time.
You want to know something cool?
I'll show you a trick.

We have what? 2 hours?
Does anyone want to talk?
Why is Boomslang bad?

I liked vocaroo
Where we lynched no-show Zebra
And it worked out well.

But how can you tell?
At least we have some content.
They are both a risk

An unneeded risk.
We dont have all game for this.
Refrigerator.

We have 1 more phase
To reliably clean house
But that is just me.

I'm not gonna bark
About killing the no shows
After this cycle.

There would be no point.
When we need to be hunting.
So oh well i guess.

Oh wow, y'all fo real?
When have I ever claimed civ?
Lol, whatever dudes.

We should make a tie
Between the two who aren't here.
Punish wallflowers.

Let's kill Enrique,
And let's kill neverwhere now.
Anyone agree?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:47 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:18 pm Wilgy or Boomslang tbh

Why wilgy if you think he's claiming indi?

I wanted to say boom too. But see... I ALWAYS see him as bad bad bad. So I thought maybe it was just myself getting in the way of reason.

He knows I'm not scum?
I'm just kidding, I dont know.
Lets lynch the no shows.

At a baseball game.
I'll be here later today.
Sorry I'm away.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:57 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:06 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:05 am

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:34 am anyone care to explain why tsp can't be on rico's team?

IDK. TSP's responses around Rico were a little weird. I'm not as sue what it meant anymore.

Because if TSP and Rico were Maf together they could have lynched someone else, old chap. Even if it would make one of them look super scummy. Also, the TSP potential distancing campaign was literally 1 post and the rest was buddying. The Rico potential distancing campaign was nonexistent.

There definitely is a world where Rico and I are w/w, but this is not that world.

I'm not totally convinced.

But this does make sense
They could've both voted made
TSP is civ

Does anyone know
If I'm civilian or not?
What are you thinking?

BIH Rico
You were not the best of us
How did this happen?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:49 pm I like how people want to lynch mr after literally having observed me civ-gimmicking as a Host in the previous game. First INH, now Ninja. The other two votes are pure gambler fallacies. "He's done it before, he could be bad now doing it".

Good stuff. Self-preserving myself, but since it's a 50-50 shot, I'll perhaps see you in the next one. Gimmicking yet again, you can be sure of that.

I thought the same thing.
Oh man, it would be funny
If you're a baddie.

Kinda like karma
Decides to not pay you back
For your good last game.

I do find it odd,
That you broke from your gimmick.
Are you scared Rico?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:28 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:43 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:16 pm Strategies like it have work for me in irl mafia, but regardless simmering the idea for the above reason.

As you can probably tell from my... inventive curses last game, I'm more concerned with having fun than winning. Massclaims are anti-fun. And also, yknow, fakeclaims. If I was the mod, I'd give them.

@Rico So now we've had the gimmick, the quotes, and the OMGUS.

Epi seems like the kind of guy who would give solid fake claims too, so I'm pretty sure mafia will be covered. I'm most suspicious of Made but in the spirit of fun I'm not lynching the same guy day 1 twice in a row. I'm good on Wilgy for now (literally picked you randomly off the list). I don't want to vote for Rico but I'd be fine with a lynch there. I won't lynch Speed or Dom. So that leaves me with a few options.

Nice random voting
Random based on PoE?
Something smells scummy

Theres too many words
For this to be RVS
Why not Speed or Dom?

Your reasons against
Voting for some of the crew
Are not transparent.

But you'll RVS?
I understand it's day one
But your not balanced.

If you have reasons
To not vote some of us here,
You can not avoid

Having some reasons
To vote us for being scum.
Where is your reason?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:12 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:12 am Here I thought I'd have a GAME to catch up on.


sigh. another game another gimmick from rico.

There was a slow pleasant movement in the air, scarcely a wind, promising a cool lovely day.
Before someone dies tonight...

Let's strike a little early. Wilgy, why are you town?

But I am not civ.
I am simply a doctor.
What made you pick me?

Made wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:47 pm You know, I've never actually had a martini! Thanks bloops <3

So I just had a metagame-y idea: Since info dumping and claiming are allowed, if we all use a "password" derived from our role name and posted them in thread early, a false role claim from mafia would be immediately be apparent.

Thoughts?

Epi is our host.
He probably gave fake claims.
Don't make me lynch you.

This would help baddies.
Assuming they have fake claims.
What say you dear Made?