The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:22 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:20 am Yup and look how that worked.
I voted right, you voted wrong. The loss is on you, not me. Don't try to push blame on the people who caught scum.

Except we both loss lol

Yup and look how that worked.

Oh well. LC bus was very well done. I liked the Early Alison/LB bus pivots that were made. Good job on that shit.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:55 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:37 am @Alison I think it probably just is LC

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:07 pm Lime Coke is a wolf

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:00 am Esooa has been killed. She was Thomas Munley, one of the Molly Maguires.
Gee, I wonder why Esooa was killed when Ender was hard tunnelling her.

Man, imagine if you posted this and decided to work with me rather than just put all the weight of the game on me there.

GG though if it is actually LC.

Like, I'm not going to grieve for losing this, when the other two players alive have been mia for the past 2 cycles.

Now you come out of hiding?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:57 am I am taking lc as hard town, if he's mafia i hope he wins man

k

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:49 pm If you choose to ignore the reads of all dead town you will deserve to lose. I am immensely busy and don't have any time to play. I am just informing you what the right decision is and it's up to you whether you're smart enough to make it.

That's some AtE

Man, wouldn't it be funny if I missed the vote?

Like this is just about the justification I need. I don't expect town Alison to kinda just lay down and die.

Iso reading. While you both sus'd LB, I didn't feel that LC put LB behind an alternative where Alison did.

Alison could've broken her LB sus in favor of the alternative, while I don't think LC did.

I'll say that I have one last hesitation in LC's "everyone is so damn towny except LB and Wilgy." But what kind of long term plan is that for scum to play out?

I'll ponder here for just abit longer. Spec chat is probably baffled here.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 3:00 am I'm leaning towards LC

K... Why?

Alrighty, I just skimmed through both ISO's and I have thoughts. One of you bussed real hard but I think I figured it out.

FIRST OFF THO
@Alison and @Lime Coke talk to me about gamestate. What are your thoughts, what are we leaning?

Now that I'm dead in Coffee I can focus here again.

Because "if I'm wrong"

Want to take another chance to ISO prior to yeeting incorrectly.

We still just vibin eh?

We just vibin? That's ok.

Miss Esooa.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:44 pm No snap votes tomorrow please

Try me

I'm probably just voting Alison tomorrow.

I'd vote for a turbo [VOTE: Sleep] aubergine and end, but if a vote goes on anyone I'm assuming we wouldn't end with just that person getting yeeted? @leetic I'm pro pass this day if we agree to a sleep.

Prior to me fucking up again, I'm assuming votes aren't locked and there is no hammer?

I'm screaming. I could've just killed myself to give best chances and I didn't.

Alright then, so theoretically we can just attempt a tie and a no kill again next day phase to put us back into a safer hunting range?

Motherfucker.

I fucked up then. Sorry.

*RNG

Not eng

Lol is it a no kill?

Fuck I'd rather have suicides. I thought It was eng like the past 1 games I played.

Like where does Scum Ender go after that when you are gone Esooa? F3 with Me, Alison and himself? I don't see them taking that association above just to gain that F3.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:52 pm wilgy just did the thing where you look at things presented as they are in that post while not realizing, wolf or not, enders interpretation of my treatment of partners isn't as he believes and the patterns he outlines are loosely correlated in this game but only in the way they generally will always be

I could probably call it wolfy because he knows ender is town so accepts the interpretation more easily but it's not necessarily so

I see the argument. I would be all for it if he was trying and successful at flipping you prior to LB.

I think the fact that they went for LB and flipped them instead of you going "well I guess I was wrong" then detracting from LB is huge in difference.

Like, of this play was to bus LB and yeet you in association, it wasn't worth at all.

I don't intend to AtE, I just think this is the way lol

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:54 pm wilgy if you tie me btw I intend to self vote because giving town a flip is better than not so it's reasonably seen as "not throwing"

Lol the suicidal mindmeld

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:52 pm Lol no. I will vote you if you do that.

I guess I'll die for it then.

Oh well. I don't wanna be in f3 anyways. I think the chances of y'all solving is better with either me or Esooa dead.

I just want Alison for self validation at this point. I keep reading them as wolf.

I'm just sad that I've been too busy to buckle down and solve the game this weekend.

@Esooa self pres into Alison with me.

Oic. Not giving me much of a choice Esooa.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:36 pm Esooa treatment of Luckbox:

Spoiler: show
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:29 pm ender Wiggin is town because he's not trying to act villagery and fake his posts are just things that he thinks

could be out leveling myself on this read, because I think he does have some scummy posts, but town

Alison is town just for having consistently good thoughts that are relevant. I don't care to explain tbh but it's facts

Mac is probably town because of the way he's playing too but I don't care to explain that either

LC can be town sure mostly sheeping, I never care to read him much day 1

luckbox if he's a wolf is bussing someone. And he's currently wolf reading only people I think are town so....

wolves are Kami 112

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:19 pm I've decided it's not luckbox

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:44 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:40 am yeah sheeping alison onto luckbox is

kind of what i wish i did atp

i just kinda liked some stuff i saw from him and he had the legit 65h workweek alibi for why he didnt scruitinze alison like alison seemed to expect

im also not sure i agree with "you always wolfread me" sentiments as actually >rand w but maybe it is, havent really kept track
tgbh I'm still 100% fine with the Kami lynch who care she flipped town, I think Luckbox still is town more likely than not and more likely than I would be thinking Kami is town rn unless Luck exactly is a wolf

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:57 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:48 pm ok what's going to happen tonight?

I'm supposed to go to the casino so probably missing/on phone for EoD....and I apologize for sucking in advance.

I'd vote Mac, LC or 112 (who I have seen literally 0 posts from) and no one else if night were right now

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:59 pm iifar I have as a villager

Alison I do sort of hope is a villager basically for the exact same post that you liked on me.

Esooa seems like she could be a wolf.

This is only my second game with LC and the vote on me just now seems "opportunistic"-- and I also forget everything about him from my first game other than that he went emo and got modkilled-- so I have no clue what to be looking for there.

Ender I've still never seen wolf and have also never even read a Ender wolf post-- so he's due to be a wolf.

Kami I'll guess is a villager.

112 I've seen 0 posts from. Still reading..on page 4 or 5 but I can powerskim to catch up fully.
but I thought for what he had read that the LC read was reasonable, that if Luckbox is a wolf he probably always includes his wolf partner in the 3 in the first post, meaning 112 was a better vote because LC is town, and I believed too Mac was town (still think probably he is), so I didn't want to vote Luckbox really ever because 112 is just straight up better

Luckbox/Ender I guess is possible but it's hard to judge because idk what Luckbox is even aware of, like how likely he thinks it is Ender would be voted. The read on Ender seems weird but he didn't say he'd vote him so I think it's just a weird luckbox post which he has a lot of

the reason I said I'd just call Luckbox town earlier though was cause I think his read on me irt Kami was good, less sure now on that though mostly cause the way he actually handled it seems a bit awkard

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:11 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:29 am Kami is probably town for leaping to the conclusion that it was theater.

Peaceing out for now.
not a read I should need to explain at all but Alisons early reads are all fine

iaafr town, luckbox wolfy but not going to hold onto that at all, Mac towny, Ender wolfy

the way she interacts with all of them is what I'd expect

Super boring read to explain but haha I didn't type enough words for people to be happy so I'll do that now cause why not

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:33 am but maybe it is luckbox tbh true

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:33 am luckbox/ender/Wilgy my PoE righ tnow and I'm fine with it

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:10 am Mac call me town for towning luckbox for good reasons and pushing 112

Here's how Esooa goes over luckbox. Note the trend downwards as he becomes scumread.

Luckbox treatment of Esooa:

Spoiler: show
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:35 pm I'm probably going to have to read but Esooa's approach to Kami-- especially if she said she can't read Kami when I definitely remember her literally teaching me how to read Kami-- is weird/wolfy

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:59 pm iifar I have as a villager

Alison I do sort of hope is a villager basically for the exact same post that you liked on me.

Esooa seems like she could be a wolf.

This is only my second game with LC and the vote on me just now seems "opportunistic"-- and I also forget everything about him from my first game other than that he went emo and got modkilled-- so I have no clue what to be looking for there.

Ender I've still never seen wolf and have also never even read a Ender wolf post-- so he's due to be a wolf.

Kami I'll guess is a villager.

112 I've seen 0 posts from. Still reading..on page 4 or 5 but I can powerskim to catch up fully.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:10 pm I had to go to work to deal with potential drama with a guest that I'm waiting to materialize so on phone now and potentially missing eod.

I don't think voting esooa is a good idea fwiw but she can definitely be a wolf.

Has Esooa as wolfy in all outed reads on her but never pushes her.

These are both standard displays of how Esooa/Luckbox treat partners.

Ex: Ice Cream Mafia (Esooa), Vig 10er CFC Subforum (Luckbox), other games. There is the exception that Esooa will aggressively bus if she either thinks that the partner is making things too obvious or not working well with her. Which is not what I'd expect from Luckbox.

Luckbox often partially busses teammates but in a distancing way rather than a bussing way. It's very rare that he doesn't sus at least one of his partners for no reason.

I'll just stop my skim right here and say it's not you Ender. I believe you see Luckbox and Esooa as scum together in this post.

I'll go back and read the more recent stuff again now.

Like, does Esooa kill Mac, memes or not? Is what I've been quietly pondering.

I don't know Esooa well enough to determine. Did Mac prove any threat to Esooa?

Also if pressure eased off me, it's not like it came from a teammate.

I'd like to see Allison's refutation to my thoughts.

Busy weekend

I'll try when I get home. I get that I'm running out of time. Been helping friends move for the past 48 hours.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:29 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:28 am Now that Akemi Homura Mafia has ended I can say that I scumread Wilgy's catchup because it seemed like the kind of stuff he did in Akemi Homura, just spam the thread with surface level takes in the hopes of getting volume cleared
Wondering if you were waiting to make comparisons.

What would a town who's catching up look like then?

Hello Alison? Plz respond?

Your issue was my content spew looking Wolfy, but where's the thoughts on my conclusions? Am I wrong or am I disgenuine?

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:36 am I don't believe that you believe that I felt so threatened by your push on me that I killed Mac just to WIFOM your theory

Threatened? Goodness no. A desire to troll and mess with me? Perhaps.

Even further a safe way to get into a smooth F3? While I can't see the line there may be some ahead thinking.

That may not be your MO tho. If it's based on how this was a meme kill alone, then maybe Esooa?

Like, this is fun. Everyone besides me voted LB, so I probably just need to restart my ISO's considering my non W/W reads were incorrect.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:27 am So why are you not snapvoting me now that mac has flipped town?

Like I advised in the post above. Too much WIFOM to digest here.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:28 am Now that Akemi Homura Mafia has ended I can say that I scumread Wilgy's catchup because it seemed like the kind of stuff he did in Akemi Homura, just spam the thread with surface level takes in the hopes of getting volume cleared

Wondering if you were waiting to make comparisons.

What would a town who's catching up look like then?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:50 pm Why can't me and Mac just be loud townies who people listen to?

I mean, you can, that's just not how I interpret it.

That clears somethin for me.

Don't know how to read the Alison WIFOM on that.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:13 pm Why do those things guarantee a wolf between us two?

Guarantee no, make much more likely, yes.

Because I think it's much more likely that these events were manipulated by someone with information rather than not. They carried too much weight for dumb townies to do so. Do I know who's responsible, not really. Am I willing to guess one of the two focal point players? yes.

This is also not without context. I believe that your ISOs reflect the above as well.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:40 pm I'm back to suspecting Wilgy because all that felt like a crock of shit. Since when do you think in terms of percentages and numbers, and why would you turbo Mac if I flipped town when I've been consistently pro-Mac?

Always? Mafia has always been a logic puzzle where pieces need to be loved into appropriate place. These are the lines I look for. Perhaps it's only now expressible as such because this is the 2nd hustle.

You being pro Mac doesn't determine Mac's alignment. It's more so the thread weight you two carry. I think that there's a wolf between you two. I couldn't determine as to who previously and even entertained the idea you two were W/W. While that was wrong, I think a wolf between you two still makes sense.

The whole Mac V Alison thing early.
You two being claimed to be cleared by iaafr's nk.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:59 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:30 am I think it makes sense for wilgy who is feeling like he is being railroaded into an sleepwalked exe to be paranoid that the same is happening to lb
Eh, I didn't make that association.

I think this is a game philosophy. Hustles feel like a game of percentages and logic puzzle vs power games where there are factors that outright disrupt the numbers game. Town wins by getting the percent chance to win as close to 100% as possible. It is scum's job to disrupt that.

Effective communication on thoughts and a push to weed out scum increases the chance for town. Gaining information from association via flips increases the chance for town. Removing team based PoE increases chance for town. Hitting one of the two wolves increases the chance immensely.

Had LB flipped town, the percent change between D2 and N2 would have been minimal. Had you flipped town, the percent change between D2 and N2 would have been greater than LB. LB flipping wolf greatly increased our chance but prior to the flip, it was not the safest option for town.

I think this naturally results in me wishing to flip a more vocal wolf and win off that when the percent chance to win is at it's highest in D3-D4.

Oh, also just to add where I think I'd go with the information: I think had you flipped town, I would've turbo'd Mac and never moved.

So from my reviews yesterday:
Alison LB not W/W
LB Esooa not W/W
LB and LC not W/W

And I don't think it makes sense for Ender to bus when they did. I was more than an easy enough yeet.

Like it's literally just Mac, which makes sense because Mac or Alison was needing to be resolved anyhow. I think the LB flip presolves that.

If I am wrong, I think I'm wrong on Alison, but that just may be tinfoil at this point. Will probably do Ender ISO at lunch to see if my thoughts on them are valid.

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