The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:00 pm oh shit

Mmmm yes

Mmmm good

I mean, I'm not leaving it a tie.

I'm at Abigail > Falc > Jay

Moving from Abigail to Falc still satisfies tie condition, but doesn't send the preferred

Proposition

[VOTE: Falc] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:16 pm If I am dead, I want to know everyone's plans of action moving forward.

We're not going to fart around while I watch from the grave. What's next? Plan ahead starting immediately.

Kill a slankers in effort to prep for best possible lylo.

If slankers is hit, proceed with assoc.

If slankers not it, cry.

Ties being not random means I'll tiebreak here for Jay yeet if needed.

[VOTE: Abigail ] aubergine

Stupid numbers brain keeps me from consuming Jay.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:41 pm Some annoying WIFOM to decorate your guest bathroom:

I’m not mafia because absolutely nobody on this roster makes sense as my mafia teammate unless you think it’s exactly sig and LoRab with me.

I'm sitting in my bunker listening to radio waves with a tin hat thinking Falc/Jay is a fine combo.

The tinfoil pirate hat comes out and I think Epi/Moto.

If I flip t Jay I'll be beating my head against a wall all night.

If I flip t quiet player I'll be beating my head against a wall all night.

Gut says vote Jay. Rational though processing and risk assessment brain says vote Abigail.

We are potentially at 8 v 3 at the moment?

Blah.

2 more mischops allowed.

And that's mainly because gut fills in the empty read with thoughts of violence and wolfy flavored meat

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:36 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:31 pm @DrWilgy I definitely think it would be wrong to expect clear progression from town Tony. He does his own thing, and it’s pretty much his shtick to leave half of it unsaid (perhaps wrongly assuming things to be obvious to others, no offense to Tony).
So as someone who works off clear cut statements and data, is anything I've stated about normally being unable to see town tony abnormal?
Not abnormal at all.

That just tends to result in a null read, not a wolf read. It was unclear to me why you landed on the latter.

I often reserve nulls to players I haven't read or thought about for awhile.

If you aren't null and aren't town you are worth a choppin.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:31 pm @DrWilgy I definitely think it would be wrong to expect clear progression from town Tony. He does his own thing, and it’s pretty much his shtick to leave half of it unsaid (perhaps wrongly assuming things to be obvious to others, no offense to Tony).

So as someone who works off clear cut statements and data, is anything I've stated about normally being unable to see town tony abnormal?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:31 pm The good Doctor may very well be prepping himself to be your executioner, though.

I've been considering it all evening.

Mischippin T Jay though when we are still suffering from current activity levels would get a sin however and this I hold my vote

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:29 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 12:46 am Wilgy and Tony are an interesting fit together. I don't much see it in isolation between them, but I could see the pair.

As a single pre-flip association, this read has limited value. But it'll inspire a more dedicated review of associations. I hope there's enough to work with.
Not really

I think chin scratching as opposed to offering thoughts about how I read Tony and potential insights to the "fire from hip" commentary I provided would've been more helpful than a lack of response into suspicion.
The wording of this confuses me, but if I understand: there’s not much to say. Tony always does that. It’s pretty NAI. I think you said as much, which is why I barely considered it to be true “suspicion” (and considered possible compatibility).

What do you consider a true suspicion? Is not finding a reason to call someone town a true suspicion?

If so that existed. Tony was a player that I had to reason to think was town.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 12:02 pm Some Wilgy concerns:

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:20 pm Voting [VOTE: Tony] aubergine to split the vote and to keep my wolfmate moto from being a lead wagon.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:06 pm Fascinating.

No one has broken my tie split and we are down to the last booblibops of day.

The only standout example of classically Wilgyan hunting, and it didn't amount to anything.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:22 pm thinks going into eod.

Out of the playing players, I think TSP and Falc are the wolfier. Falc W > TSP W though.

Out of the not really here players PAbigail is probably the best vote. They were just not here enough to warrant votes compared to the rest of them. Further PAbigail not really having anything to add following catchup is bleh. I do have hestitate as I've seen this cold footed PAbigail recently be town, HOWEVER that doesn't constitute a reason to not vote them.

Scotty, LC, JJJ, Epi, Moto all have reasons as to why I wouldn't vote so that's fun.

D1 PoE put your consensus between {AbigailS, Falc, LoRab, Sig, Simon, TSP}

Wilgy didn't explain his Tony suspicion. He did explain his falcon suspicion, though I'm not sure it was respectful of falcon's town range. He criticized falcon for "not moving the thread", and I am not sure town falcon moves threads all that often.

I find this to be the single most suspicious line of Wilgy's (and perhaps in the game overall). I am not accustomed to Wilgy being so agreeable with boring shrug votes like Princess Abigail was on Day 1, and this rationale seems unWilgy-like. Especially that HOWEVER portion is kind of hard to stomach. If he is less friendly to generic slanker eliminations in general (which I would describe Wilgy to be), and he has recent memories of PA being town in the slanker body, then why endorse that wagon without any resistance or demanding something more of her other voters?

I don't know what these reasons were apart from motobot. Wilgy attributed that to Epi's read on motobot.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:24 pm I am on board with the POE, Wilgy. I don't really see it with Tony, but I am willing to listen on that one.
It's just gut.

I do often find myself on this issue with Tony though. Tony's posts always have a 'shoot from the hip' feel to me and that often makes me think that progression is splotchy if not missing and that generally leads to dissonance with how I read.

SO yeah, gut read Tony W but I often gut read Tony W, so I'm hesitant to trust that without the input of others.

Just looks a little phony. I had considered that it might signal a Wilgy/Tony pair, but even without that it's iffy in isolation.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:36 pm I shouldn't have given Falc the day pass. POE is too big for that.

Falc feels not like town Falc. If I'm hunting for W I vote there.

I really need to know where this read stands as of today.

Am I wrong in how I view Tony's play? Is there a a better sense of progression you get from the slot as opposed to me?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:41 am DrWilgy's Day 1 suspicion of Tony and falcon might be the most important thing in the game to sort. I would really like to know where all three stand on each other right now.

@DrWilgy, @TonyStarkPrime, @falcon45ca

Tony meh, Falc yeet.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 12:46 am Wilgy and Tony are an interesting fit together. I don't much see it in isolation between them, but I could see the pair.

As a single pre-flip association, this read has limited value. But it'll inspire a more dedicated review of associations. I hope there's enough to work with.

Not really

I think chin scratching as opposed to offering thoughts about how I read Tony and potential insights to the "fire from hip" commentary I provided would've been more helpful than a lack of response into suspicion.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 12:29 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:22 pm thinks going into eod.

Out of the playing players, I think TSP and Falc are the wolfier. Falc W > TSP W though.

Out of the not really here players PAbigail is probably the best vote. They were just not here enough to warrant votes compared to the rest of them. Further PAbigail not really having anything to add following catchup is bleh. I do have hestitate as I've seen this cold footed PAbigail recently be town, HOWEVER that doesn't constitute a reason to not vote them.

Scotty, LC, JJJ, Epi, Moto all have reasons as to why I wouldn't vote so that's fun.

D1 PoE put your consensus between {AbigailS, Falc, LoRab, Sig, Simon, TSP}
This is the most substantial post. If I had a gripe, it's why a bunch of us are lumped together as good.

I did have full thoughts written out on people and they were eaten like 3 times.

The tldr was: Epi appears within town range. Scotty's thoughts on expectations was really good. LC I don't sense an agenda from. Jay's activity and agreement with my reads is probably better to take as like/like thinking as opposed to sheep/pocket for now. Moto has Epi's vouch.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:02 pm Finding it pretty easy to agree with Wilgy

This is a new statement out of you

I have successfully bathed a child.

Peace was never an option.

Thoughts before the kids pull me away again.

My brain has observed a pattern with Jay that appears wolfy. I will probably require a flip to solve. Do I push for said flip and vote there or allow the opportunity for a Jay solve that's often highly beneficial for town?

Probably should yeet Falc.

No other thoughts.

Oh, Sig is probably town.

I don't really remember much else from my skin so what I advised from D1 still applies.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:04 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 6:57 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:49 pm
motobot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:31 pm So I agree with Epi, I don't think you noticed anything.
I only noticed that you didn't post much in Pyre (similar to Don't Starve), and that was true. You were a civilian in Pyre, so I know that "being quiet" doesn't necessarily mean you have evil intentions.

I don't have any real suspicion of you right now.

He came in quick, knowing he was voted. Snap voted you, then went to bed

And now that you don't suspect him and TR him, he's gonna give you a top TR as well

He's given a 50/50 read on Simon, prolly the least controversial read of all time

How different was his Maf game? Cuz this all seems pretty surface level stuff that I'd imagine many and most players could perform as any faction
This is the only post of Falc where I'm like "maybe there's some town intent by this review? But there's no conclusion.

T Falc trusts no one and throws votes like bread to pigeons. That's just not happening this game.

People change dude, and there's plenty of town games where I change my reads on players, and plenty of maf games where I vote folks like crazy

I've never changed once my entire life.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 6:56 pm Wilgy this page is more civilian than falcon on any page.

True

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:49 pm
motobot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:31 pm So I agree with Epi, I don't think you noticed anything.
I only noticed that you didn't post much in Pyre (similar to Don't Starve), and that was true. You were a civilian in Pyre, so I know that "being quiet" doesn't necessarily mean you have evil intentions.

I don't have any real suspicion of you right now.

He came in quick, knowing he was voted. Snap voted you, then went to bed

And now that you don't suspect him and TR him, he's gonna give you a top TR as well

He's given a 50/50 read on Simon, prolly the least controversial read of all time

How different was his Maf game? Cuz this all seems pretty surface level stuff that I'd imagine many and most players could perform as any faction

This is the only post of Falc where I'm like "maybe there's some town intent by this review? But there's no conclusion.

T Falc trusts no one and throws votes like bread to pigeons. That's just not happening this game.

Just skimmed. Nothing puts Falc into "this is town Falc'"

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 6:50 pm If it isn’t you, Wilgy, I need help figuring it out.

“Jay is opportunistically killing me” is the only take that helps me none. Sure, whatever, who else?

Assuming you are town I need to review Falc. I had not seen any key 'this is town Falc' posts in my skim but I advise that I missed a bunch while browsing.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 6:48 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 6:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 6:44 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 6:43 pm The idea that Jay's setting up a chop chop chop via me then into my suspicion is kinda wholly how I've read today's tomfoolery.
I don’t need to “set up” anything in advance if I am mafia. The same points can be made tomorrow if I already know I’ll be here.
lol, you don't need to, but you know wolves like to.

Indeed. If I go over today, I still advocate for your flip.
I actually don’t know that. It’s the world’s most token accusation, but I don’t think it happens all that much. There may be exceptions for wrongly drawing teammate connections with presumed mafia flips, but not really for town flip projections.

I do it all the time lol

lol, Jay's name is all over the search: Scotty button.

They killed the pup.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 6:44 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 6:43 pm The idea that Jay's setting up a chop chop chop via me then into my suspicion is kinda wholly how I've read today's tomfoolery.
I don’t need to “set up” anything in advance if I am mafia. The same points can be made tomorrow if I already know I’ll be here.

lol, you don't need to, but you know wolves like to.

Indeed. If I go over today, I still advocate for your flip.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 6:43 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 6:40 pm I've lightly skimmed.

Jay's suspicion of me is weird in that Jay advised d1 that they were mostly in sync with me on most things.

Feels like a change in stance that's riddled with agenda. I've seen W Jay do this same pivot on me prior. Makes me think Jay should never make it to lylo.
You’ve also seen town me pivot. We’ve had this conversation before. Sometimes minds change.

Not like this, this feels coordinated. You're too firm. Town pivoty Jay is more squishy?

The idea that Jay's setting up a chop chop chop via me then into my suspicion is kinda wholly how I've read today's tomfoolery.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 5:29 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 5:10 pm If Wilgy is town, I may take his suspicion of falcon and Tony as gospel.
Why, is he never wrong or something?

Sure would be a shame if W Jay set up my mis and then used my legacy for more chops

I've lightly skimmed.

Jay's suspicion of me is weird in that Jay advised d1 that they were mostly in sync with me on most things.

Feels like a change in stance that's riddled with agenda. I've seen W Jay do this same pivot on me prior. Makes me think Jay should never make it to lylo.

Good hello friends

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:51 pm MORE IMPORTANTLY, it's time for a pfp update.

Digimon, League, Cosmere, Pokemon, Yugioh or Final Fantasy?
Final Fantasy. 7 or earlier.

but 9 is goat

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:51 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:38 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:25 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:30 pm I'm going to be straight:

I have no clue about this game. My reads do come from my brain, but they feel barely better than arbitrary. I am not even close to finding comfortable footing or knowing what I am doing in this thread. While that is attributable to some degree to the state of the thread itself, I am probably also tired, old, and out of practice.

You could also be Maf
Unless activity level changes do you think we ever catch W Jay this game?

Most def. Why do you doubt?
because too many non players will result in an inability to yeet players that at least have a pulse.

This seems like a very vague concern given it's D1

Are you suggesting we start lynching slankers?

What's your read on JJJ

We would need to eventually, makes me of the opinion that if we go the slanky rout PAbigail or Simon are correct. PAbigail has been chosen by the thread and I see nothing wrong with this.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, it's time for a pfp update.

Digimon, League, Cosmere, Pokemon, Yugioh or Final Fantasy?

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:47 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:30 pm I'm going to be straight:

I have no clue about this game. My reads do come from my brain, but they feel barely better than arbitrary. I am not even close to finding comfortable footing or knowing what I am doing in this thread. While that is attributable to some degree to the state of the thread itself, I am probably also tired, old, and out of practice.

You could also be Maf
Unless activity level changes do you think we ever catch W Jay this game?
I do

It all depends on whether or not he decides to kill me in the next 2 days tho

lol, @JaggedJimmyJay all them say they can catch you as w in this environment. What do you say to this?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:25 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:30 pm I'm going to be straight:

I have no clue about this game. My reads do come from my brain, but they feel barely better than arbitrary. I am not even close to finding comfortable footing or knowing what I am doing in this thread. While that is attributable to some degree to the state of the thread itself, I am probably also tired, old, and out of practice.

You could also be Maf
Unless activity level changes do you think we ever catch W Jay this game?

Most def. Why do you doubt?

because too many non players will result in an inability to yeet players that at least have a pulse.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:12 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:30 pm I'm going to be straight:

I have no clue about this game. My reads do come from my brain, but they feel barely better than arbitrary. I am not even close to finding comfortable footing or knowing what I am doing in this thread. While that is attributable to some degree to the state of the thread itself, I am probably also tired, old, and out of practice.

You could also be Maf
Unless activity level changes do you think we ever catch W Jay this game?
At this rate he’s the most likely chop tomorrow tbh

Why is that? Not really sure as afew have at least given him town-ish cred today?

I shouldn't have given Falc the day pass. POE is too big for that.

Falc feels not like town Falc. If I'm hunting for W I vote there.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:22 pm thinks going into eod.

Out of the playing players, I think TSP and Falc are the wolfier. Falc W > TSP W though.

Out of the not really here players PAbigail is probably the best vote. They were just not here enough to warrant votes compared to the rest of them. Further PAbigail not really having anything to add following catchup is bleh. I do have hestitate as I've seen this cold footed PAbigail recently be town, HOWEVER that doesn't constitute a reason to not vote them.

Scotty, LC, JJJ, Epi, Moto all have reasons as to why I wouldn't vote so that's fun.

D1 PoE put your consensus between {AbigailS, Falc, LoRab, Sig, Simon, TSP}

hahaha, I'm dumb.

AbigailS is not Abigals. I misread my own PoE while typing and didn't finish.

it's actually {AbigalS, Falc, LoRab, PAbigail, Sig, Simon, TSP}

AbigailS not being Abigails means I need to includ properly PAbigail. A 7 player PoE is kinda gross, but I'm unsure if it gets better than that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:24 pm I am on board with the POE, Wilgy. I don't really see it with Tony, but I am willing to listen on that one.

It's just gut.

I do often find myself on this issue with Tony though. Tony's posts always have a 'shoot from the hip' feel to me and that often makes me think that progression is splotchy if not missing and that generally leads to dissonance with how I read.

SO yeah, gut read Tony W but I often gut read Tony W, so I'm hesitant to trust that without the input of others.

I see PAbigail has taken the lead.

Godspeed you Princess Juicebox.

thinks going into eod.

Out of the playing players, I think TSP and Falc are the wolfier. Falc W > TSP W though.

Out of the not really here players PAbigail is probably the best vote. They were just not here enough to warrant votes compared to the rest of them. Further PAbigail not really having anything to add following catchup is bleh. I do have hestitate as I've seen this cold footed PAbigail recently be town, HOWEVER that doesn't constitute a reason to not vote them.

Scotty, LC, JJJ, Epi, Moto all have reasons as to why I wouldn't vote so that's fun.

D1 PoE put your consensus between {AbigailS, Falc, LoRab, Sig, Simon, TSP}

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:30 pm I'm going to be straight:

I have no clue about this game. My reads do come from my brain, but they feel barely better than arbitrary. I am not even close to finding comfortable footing or knowing what I am doing in this thread. While that is attributable to some degree to the state of the thread itself, I am probably also tired, old, and out of practice.

You could also be Maf

Unless activity level changes do you think we ever catch W Jay this game?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:54 pm Ok I’m gonna say it — feels likely that Moto has BTSC as far as I can tell. Yes I’m aware that outing this information could be seen as anti-town and that anyone choosing to act on it in thread may reveal more information than is prudent to reveal. Yes I’m aware that at a level 1 reading this phrasing would be an implication that I do not have BTSC with Moto and thus would reveal percentage points of valuable information. I don’t care, I’m better than that.

Why though

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:34 pm Ok update I’ve read P_Abi posts and I now think she’s a fine vote

Pabi

Fascinating.

No one has broken my tie split and we are down to the last booblibops of day.

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