The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:04 am Dragomir has my vote currently.

Why would Dragomir kill someone advocating for him?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:04 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:00 am @Epignosis I think that Jay is just about the only person who WOULD kill TH in that slot based on how TH was playing. I think you may be right about him after all.

I don't kill Turnip Head in his first game back here in 900 years either. Believe me or don't, I don't care. My first priority is always the website, and Turnip Head is a major part of it.

Do you agree with the notion that TH wasn't playing in such a way to attract a kill from a team comprised of people unfamiliar with him? If they wanted to clear the POE of people who looked good from the Rej lynch I would imagine that I would be a more optimal kill than TH because I have been more present and have a more forceful thread character. Would you agree with that sentiment?

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:01 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:53 pm Speedchuck's someone who I've also been mulling over. His Drago stuff is also in the same veins as Dom, he was shadowing people there and the progression of off him was a little too easy. Also I'm not sure how he ended up on Rej. There was no real conviction behind it or a push at all

Speedcheck is someone I was suspecting in a different game and I tend to get confused when I start two gays at the same time. I need to look back at this game and see if any wires crossed, etc.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:55 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:29 pm I have no reason to not suspect Dragomir as a result of the rej lynch. Don't see why that's nuts.

What's your take on his bold defense of Rej, and the latter's handling of him?

I think it's compatible with teammates.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:01 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:57 pm I kinda found it strange how Jay decided to leak that he had an interaction analysis with Rej/TH. Almost seems like Jay was trying to make us think he didn't know TH was gonna get the bullet. @JaggedJimmyJay why did you post the TH/Rej interaction analysis?

Because I had it. I had them all. If I have game-related shit I might as well share it. I play with my hand face up.

You have posted a lot of interaction analysis's and I can't recall you ever posting one that was flipped already.

Tell me one benefit that the game has received from you posting that? Give me one justification beyond "because I had it".

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] I think that Jay is just about the only person who WOULD kill TH in that slot based on how TH was playing. I think you may be right about him after all.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:42 pm Interactions: Rej and Turnip Head -- he's dead but whatever here you go

Rej

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Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:10 pm I am torn between a pressure vote on Michelle/Sprityo and solidifying the lynch on Drago. But if I won't like the flip I will pretty much feel bad.
Another option is voting Turnip Head because I feel they haven't given enough reads this DP to read them back properly.
Turnip do you have some input on others? Votes have been moved to Speedchuck for example. I didn't like how he voted me so I question @speedchuck if his vote on me is locked?


okay addition after Michelles read on me:
@Michelle I would always @ you, sadly we haven't played much games fully together, I often leave in the early stages. xD
I need more reads from you tho, and I sadly know nothing about your scumplay I feel.

This came after TH had already called Rej a cat. Rej never acknowledged that, not even here when he griped about TH's lack of reads. This looks like a spam read forced onto a low poster.

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Turnip Head

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Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:18 pm Drago is town

Rej is cat. "I don't understand the case" is scumtell sometimes

Two firsts. Turnip Head's first reads, and the first person to beef with Rej over this. I doubt TH, as Rej's teammate, decides he's going to do nothing for a while and then randomly drop in and crap on his head.

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Conclusion: I doubt Turnip Head is a cat.

What's the point of posting this Jay?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:24 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:20 pm Agreed with concern about Rej take. Potential TMI on Dragomir.

Why? What about it strikes as TMI?

I'll answer for him. Firstly, you have been actually pretty scummy. So for Rej to defend you is TMI. Rej has no reason to feel like you have been civvy enough to question the people casing him.

Rej is taking the opportunity to gain your trust by dismissing the case as incredulous, which is invariably how you would feel as a civ. In the event of a civilian flip of you he is distanced from the case making of a bad lynch, which is where people first look for wolves (even though it's usually never that simple).

Now, onto Fayt, who we have common ground on.

This post smells like a litter box. Paints quite a big picture of events. "Actually pretty scummy"? Mac is purring like a devil

Just looking at TH's posts and this one stands out. If I wasn't me I'd be pretty convinced that I killed him for this.

But given I am in fact a dog ... perhaps this kill was made in the hopes of somebody breadcrumbing that.

Turnip Head had a pretty strong town read on Dragomir. I am want to think that a wolf team that has Dragomir in it that just lost a member would not kill someone who had an incorrect scum read on me and was town reading Dragomir.

I also think that TH wasn't proving to be much of a threat. I don't see how a scum team that has players unfamiliar with him would choose him as a kill.

It just seems like a pure POE shot given how good TH looked in light of the Rej flip.

I kinda found it strange how Jay decided to leak that he had an interaction analysis with Rej/TH. Almost seems like Jay was trying to make us think he didn't know TH was gonna get the bullet. [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] why did you post the TH/Rej interaction analysis?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:47 pm Facts:

JJJ gave Rej a bunch of shit. Did not vote there.
JJJ voted LC, whom he called good that same Day.

What else am I supposed to do with this?

So you are suspicious of Jay because he is wrong?

Firstly, what if LC is also a cat?

But I'll unpack this for a second. In this scenario you propose Jay to be Rej's teammate and unwilling to bus him. Would it not stand to reason that if he was unwilling to bus him that he would be willing to defend him? Did he defend him? If you can show me evidence of Jay trying to manipulate others into rescinding their read on Rej I'll listen more.

Personally I think the chances are rather high that we had two cat wagons up on day 1.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:37 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:34 pm I don't think Epi's case on Jay holds much water at all. Nothing that was pointed out is outside of Jay's town play. It's still a mild town tick for Epi though. I still think Jay is town.

I largely agree. I think it just means that Jay's analysis isn't fool proof.

Jay is allowed to be wrong if he is town. He'll corner the wolves and squeeze them out eventually.

Never knew Mac to suck Jay's dictionary so hard.

I am trying something new as opposed to the obligatory Jay vs. Mac shit fight that eventually ends after going nowhere. You should try it. I wanna see if just working with Jay is productive.

Or I can look at what JJJ as done and judge is as shit. As I have done.

Okay fair deuce. I would suggest that you package it in a palatable manner rather than just engaging him and only him please. You two just shouting at each other just creates content nobody will read so if you are correct you won't get him lynched.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:29 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:54 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:43 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:41 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:34 pm I will say that my initial instinct coming into this Day 2 was to vote again for Dragomir. I still have grievances there.

Why?

Because I still have grievances there. Damn can't you read?

What are those grievances? I'm interested. I had earlier grievances with his initial entrance and the stubbornness that led to you activated my trap card moment, but I've been reconsidering that since he opened up with his LC suspicion. There is also Rej's handling of him and his bold defense of Rej that makes him look good.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:55 pm Dragomir's been basically the focal point of D1 and he didn't even get lynched lol

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:55 pm @Dom What's your beef with Drago?

What are you trying to do here?

Doing Dom. Feels like he's milking his Drago stuff, majority of his D1 is giving shit to Dragomir mostly about being stubborn and not sharing his toughts.

I see. This is fair. Keep doing that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:37 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:34 pm I don't think Epi's case on Jay holds much water at all. Nothing that was pointed out is outside of Jay's town play. It's still a mild town tick for Epi though. I still think Jay is town.

I largely agree. I think it just means that Jay's analysis isn't fool proof.

Jay is allowed to be wrong if he is town. He'll corner the wolves and squeeze them out eventually.

Never knew Mac to suck Jay's dictionary so hard.

I am trying something new as opposed to the obligatory Jay vs. Mac shit fight that eventually ends after going nowhere. You should try it. I wanna see if just working with Jay is productive.

Never mind I think Nova is probably town too here.

This is just all town on town hate imo. I want new voices. [mention]speedchuck[/mention] [mention]sprityo[/mention] [mention]nutella[/mention] [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] [mention]Fayt[/mention] [mention]Michelle[/mention] [mention]Long Con[/mention] can you please read Epi's Jay hate wall and comment.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:36 pm Rej:

"Back to JJJ : I feel you are way too agressive to get a clear civ read from me. I dont know how scum profits from this but we got 2 fast wagons started up. And I feel town does not profit from these wagons. We still have time and need to wait for some replies."

This is a bullshit thing to say. This is one teammate communicating to another.

I'm sorry JJJ, but you got to go.

Jay is a good player. How is it in his strategic best interests as scum to play in such a way that results in Rej being lynched? If Jay didn't want Rej lynched, Rej would be alive. I don't think we lynch a wolf on day 1 if Jay is a wolf pretty much in any game ever tbh.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:34 pm I don't think Epi's case on Jay holds much water at all. Nothing that was pointed out is outside of Jay's town play. It's still a mild town tick for Epi though. I still think Jay is town.

I largely agree. I think it just means that Jay's analysis isn't fool proof.

Jay is allowed to be wrong if he is town. He'll corner the wolves and squeeze them out eventually.

Of all the people who were just participatory in that flurry Nova's contributions were the most skewiff. I don't understand what he was trying to do at all.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:34 pm Jay-- you give people virtually no time to think or respond. I do not sit at the computer and eagerly await your response. I play Star Wars Battlefront 2.

Thank you, you can be a town read.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:32 pm I am glad to hear it. Sorry for calling you a rock ape but don't make demands of me that are pointless.

That's not a pointless demand, Mac. I'm asking you to take a stance on a guy that has received two votes, leads the game in posts by a ton, and has been the subject of posts you have just made.

I was catching up on a flurry of posts and trying to make heads or tails of them. Asking me to make an immediate read on you is asking for me to make shit up.

I don't think Epi's case on Jay holds much water at all. Nothing that was pointed out is outside of Jay's town play. It's still a mild town tick for Epi though. I still think Jay is town.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:10 pm Ugh this complicates things

Does any part of that case surprise you?

I haven't read it. I am just not welcoming of it. I was enjoying the game and Epi vs. Jay is tiring af and repetitive.

I am a Master of Zen this game. I sort of took it from your late-stage play in the finale, actually. I may engage in debate, I may be accused like nobody ever before, and I may be inclined to respond -- but this will not become toxic. I refuse.

I am glad to hear it. Sorry for calling you a rock ape but don't make demands of me that are pointless.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:56 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:20 pm I don't get the scumreads on Dragomir. Sounds a bit forced by JJJ and novas, also it was quite a speedy jump.

Still think this screams of TMI. Generic mafioso keeping his distance from an incorrect angry mob before they mislynch Dragomir. He even built in eventual landing points for his finger of blame.

I tend to think this is NAI for Dragomir. The same thing that can be TMI can just be hardcore defence. It was definitely always suspicious for Rej though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:28 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:27 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:38 pm [VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

Take a stance on me immediately.

Shut the fuck up and let me think you rock ape

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:54 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:43 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:41 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:34 pm I will say that my initial instinct coming into this Day 2 was to vote again for Dragomir. I still have grievances there.

Why?

Because I still have grievances there. Damn can't you read?

What are those grievances? I'm interested. I had earlier grievances with his initial entrance and the stubbornness that led to you activated my trap card moment, but I've been reconsidering that since he opened up with his LC suspicion. There is also Rej's handling of him and his bold defense of Rej that makes him look good.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:55 pm Dragomir's been basically the focal point of D1 and he didn't even get lynched lol

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:55 pm @Dom What's your beef with Drago?

What are you trying to do here?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:38 pm [VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:10 pm Ugh this complicates things

Does any part of that case surprise you?

I haven't read it. I am just not welcoming of it. I was enjoying the game and Epi vs. Jay is tiring af and repetitive.

Ugh this complicates things

are you not one?

Heh doge

Speedchuck I guess but only because it's Speedchuck.

And aside from that nobody. I've not been super observant.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:00 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:51 pm I didn't "give up" the last time. I was caught. Doing anything else would have wasted everyone's time. I do not believe in wasting people's time.

If you want something to chew on, how about this: I would not condone the killing of Turnip Head Night 1. I don't kill the ones I've missed so soon.

I know I was just being cheeky haha.

Fair fair. I'll take it under advisement.

Do you think Jay is town?

I do, but I have grievances.

Any different to the ones you always do?

Yes, since we've never played with Fayt.

Played with Fayt.

You think he's being unusually harsh on a newb?

I agree that Michelle reads quite good tonally. She used meta to defend Rej which... for some reason made me feel better about her.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:51 pm I didn't "give up" the last time. I was caught. Doing anything else would have wasted everyone's time. I do not believe in wasting people's time.

If you want something to chew on, how about this: I would not condone the killing of Turnip Head Night 1. I don't kill the ones I've missed so soon.

I know I was just being cheeky haha.

Fair fair. I'll take it under advisement.

Do you think Jay is town?

I do, but I have grievances.

Epi's fine.

I agree, I hate defenses like "I'd not kill TH" but it's true lol.

The noose slips tighter around Fayt's throat.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:51 pm I didn't "give up" the last time. I was caught. Doing anything else would have wasted everyone's time. I do not believe in wasting people's time.

If you want something to chew on, how about this: I would not condone the killing of Turnip Head Night 1. I don't kill the ones I've missed so soon.

I know I was just being cheeky haha.

Fair fair. I'll take it under advisement.

Do you think Jay is town?

I do, but I have grievances.

Any different to the ones you always do?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:51 pm I didn't "give up" the last time. I was caught. Doing anything else would have wasted everyone's time. I do not believe in wasting people's time.

If you want something to chew on, how about this: I would not condone the killing of Turnip Head Night 1. I don't kill the ones I've missed so soon.

I know I was just being cheeky haha.

Fair fair. I'll take it under advisement.

Do you think Jay is town?

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] so take away your empirical analysis for a second and tell me if there is anyone/s in your green pile that are scummy regardless of their status being improved by the Rej flip. If you can express why that'd also be helpful. If your POE is accurate I think that Epi/Fayt are scummy and I can ping clear everyone else below the middle.

Pretty sure the game is over. [mention]Epignosis[/mention] do you want to give up again?

Yes they are.

Btw I think Epi and Fayt are both Mafia.

Can someone make a list of ISO links please?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:04 pm I won't be available until probably after nine or ten o'clock.

Same

I voted for Fayt because

Nut is town

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:00 am Mac look worser than before.

Go on

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:24 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:20 pm Agreed with concern about Rej take. Potential TMI on Dragomir.

Why? What about it strikes as TMI?

I'll answer for him. Firstly, you have been actually pretty scummy. So for Rej to defend you is TMI. Rej has no reason to feel like you have been civvy enough to question the people casing him.

Rej is taking the opportunity to gain your trust by dismissing the case as incredulous, which is invariably how you would feel as a civ. In the event of a civilian flip of you he is distanced from the case making of a bad lynch, which is where people first look for wolves (even though it's usually never that simple).

Now, onto Fayt, who we have common ground on.

This post smells like a litter box. Paints quite a big picture of events. "Actually pretty scummy"? Mac is purring like a devil

BAD TURNIP HEAD.

I want to solve the game with you, not in spite of you.

*hits TH on the nose with newspaper*

can I please have

"An entire chicken in a can"

Thanks

Can I have a custom forum title? Am I elite enough for one yet?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:21 pm

Fayt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:34 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:36 pm I thought Fayt was part of the recent MU wave but they're not lol

Sup Starlight

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:30 pm We already have something of substance to talk about, people. If you haven't already piped in, I want to know what y'all think of Dragomir or anything related to the conversation surrounding Dragomir.

So for the dragomir thing, I might be late on this because I haven't had a chance to reply until now. There are things I'm unsure of and this is off of first impressions but I do lean scum on him. As reasons stated above but also because of Dragomir not wanting to do first impressions but then jump onto another target (i.e. LC) so he must think of something about LC that strikes him as odd or did he just drop the LC name to get people off of his back.

Secondly, I don't think Dragomir and JJJ are bussing each other. If they are then I'm definitely fooled. If Dragomir turns out to be scum, I find Jay as town and vice versa. However, there is a chance they could both be town but I don't think both would be scum.

Fake. Super fake. Fayt is bad.

"I do lean scum on him". She is emphasising "I do" as opposed to just "I lean". She is responding someone who does not. There is only one person who has actively said that they do not and that is Rej. This is consequentially distancing of Rej.

The second paragraph spews both Jay and Drago as town.

Question the people casing you*

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:20 pm Agreed with concern about Rej take. Potential TMI on Dragomir.

Why? What about it strikes as TMI?

I'll answer for him. Firstly, you have been actually pretty scummy. So for Rej to defend you is TMI. Rej has no reason to feel like you have been civvy enough to question the people casing him.

Rej is taking the opportunity to gain your trust by dismissing the case as incredulous, which is invariably how you would feel as a civ. In the event of a civilian flip of you he is distanced from the case making of a bad lynch, which is where people first look for wolves (even though it's usually never that simple).

Now, onto Fayt, who we have common ground on.

Fayt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:34 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:36 pm I thought Fayt was part of the recent MU wave but they're not lol

Sup Starlight

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:30 pm We already have something of substance to talk about, people. If you haven't already piped in, I want to know what y'all think of Dragomir or anything related to the conversation surrounding Dragomir.

So for the dragomir thing, I might be late on this because I haven't had a chance to reply until now. There are things I'm unsure of and this is off of first impressions but I do lean scum on him. As reasons stated above but also because of Dragomir not wanting to do first impressions but then jump onto another target (i.e. LC) so he must think of something about LC that strikes him as odd or did he just drop the LC name to get people off of his back.

Secondly, I don't think Dragomir and JJJ are bussing each other. If they are then I'm definitely fooled. If Dragomir turns out to be scum, I find Jay as town and vice versa. However, there is a chance they could both be town but I don't think both would be scum.

I am ride or die with the turnip this time.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:18 pm Drago is town

Rej is cat. "I don't understand the case" is scumtell sometimes

You linki'd me and we have the same reason too.