Dogs vs. Cats [END]

[Epignosis]

So I'm of two minds here.

[Epignosis]

Rej was unwilling to vote Dragomir. That's important in my mind.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Rej was unwilling to vote Dragomir. That's important in my mind.

Valid. And it contributes mightily to my present civilian read on Long Con. Whatever Dragomir is; Long Con was the vote Rej accepted.

[Epignosis]

JJJ says " Conclusion: Overall, I doubt Dragomir was Rej's teammate. Rej's own posts speak more loudly to that than Dragomir's do."

I do not agree with that at all.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dom's hunting effort to this point is comprised entirely of this:

Giving Dragomir a bunch of shit.

Giving Rej a little bit of shit.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JJJ says " Conclusion: Overall, I doubt Dragomir was Rej's teammate. Rej's own posts speak more loudly to that than Dragomir's do."

I do not agree with that at all.

It was that very first post Rej made about Dragomir, the one that drew Turnip Head's ire, that speaks loudest to me. I am open to alternative perspectives, but my focus starts there.

[Epignosis]

Dom's hunting effort to this point is comprised entirely of this:

Giving Dragomir a bunch of shit.

Giving Rej a little bit of shit.

Makes him a hero in my book.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epi, I'd be interested in your take on nutella -- whenever you get there.

[Dom]

[VOTE: dragomys] aubergine

Dom would be my "darkhorse" pick at the moment. While he didn't sound disingenuous, the objective criteria still stands as something he'll have to answer to. He contributed vocally to some of the suspicion of Rej, but his vote never wavered from Dragomir. He wasn't around late in the day; I do think he was here late enough to begin to reconsider his take on Dragomir at least.

Ugh this complicates things

i hate agreeing with you bc reasons
but i agree with you

I will say that my initial instinct coming into this Day 2 was to vote again for Dragomir. I still have grievances there.

I also agree with this.

I'm going to go ahead and just call you a suspect straight up. We don't need "darkhorse".

I don't like this post.

k

[Epignosis]

Epi, I'd be interested in your take on nutella -- whenever you get there.

I already expressed one:

I have a take on nutella: civilian.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epi, I'd be interested in your take on nutella -- whenever you get there.

I already expressed one:

I have a take on nutella: civilian.

Right. You're not finished with that for the remainder the game, I'd imagine?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Fayt[/mention], I reviewed your response. I don't have any glaring gripes to state that would add something new to the conversation. I don't think what you say is unreasonable at least.

You are of the perspective that there was an effort to save Rej. I want you to explore that further, so I will leave you alone for the time being.

[Epignosis]

I rather think you're uncomfortable being "outside the POE" as it were. That's what is happening. JJJ is "outside the POE."

I'm comfortable with nutella, Dom, nova, and Fayt.

[Epignosis]

Talk to me about Dragomir, JJJ. Would you vote for him?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I rather think you're uncomfortable being "outside the POE" as it were. That's what is happening. JJJ is "outside the POE."

I'm comfortable with nutella, Dom, nova, and Fayt.

I think that I would be in the POE as a suspect.

You can be comfortable with whoever. The game is different today though, and your reads from yesterday mean shit all. My reads from yesterday mean shit all.

[Dom]

JJJ just sent me flying from dark horse over my initial catch up post because I agreed that my day one suspect was still my number one suspect.

Discuss.

[Dom]

Notice that Jay never asked me to clarify a damn thing. No elucidiation necessary with me.

Why did he afford Fayt and Dragomir those luxuries?

[Epignosis]

This is an instance where I am 100% comfortable lynching JJJ. He is no value to civilians.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Talk to me about Dragomir, JJJ. Would you vote for him?

No. I don't think he looks bad. As I have said: I am open to arguments, but I need to see them. You've started to do that with regard to Rej's unwillingness to vote. That's valid and it's something I will consider. Keep going. I still don't think he looks bad at 11:23 PM EST on 16 Oct 2019.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Notice that Jay never asked me to clarify a damn thing. No elucidiation necessary with me.

Why did he afford Fayt and Dragomir those luxuries?

I did an entire review of your posts with respect to Rej. You're ignoring me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JJJ just sent me flying from dark horse over my initial catch up post because I agreed that my day one suspect was still my number one suspect.

Discuss.

Exactly. You're not doing anything, and you're not solving anything. The game is moving forward, and I have not seen anything from you that suggests you have the intention of figuring out who the cats are. You decided Dragomir was one and then farted around.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

Take a stance on me immediately.

[MacDougall]

I will say that my initial instinct coming into this Day 2 was to vote again for Dragomir. I still have grievances there.

Why?

Because I still have grievances there. Damn can't you read?

What are those grievances? I'm interested. I had earlier grievances with his initial entrance and the stubbornness that led to you activated my trap card moment, but I've been reconsidering that since he opened up with his LC suspicion. There is also Rej's handling of him and his bold defense of Rej that makes him look good.

Dragomir's been basically the focal point of D1 and he didn't even get lynched lol

@Dom What's your beef with Drago?

What are you trying to do here?

[Dom]

I don't find Jay to be public enemy number one. I find him to be flimsy in his analysis of myself.

I didn't love his Fayt analysis. I get a very different read of Fayt. Maybe I'm new to her, maybe I'm not.


I have no reason to not suspect Dragomir as a result of the rej lynch. Don't see why that's nuts.

[Epignosis]

JJJ just sent me flying from dark horse over my initial catch up post because I agreed that my day one suspect was still my number one suspect.

Discuss.

Exactly. You're not doing anything, and you're not solving anything. The game is moving forward, and I have not seen anything from you that suggests you have the intention of figuring out who the cats are. You decided Dragomir was one and then farted around.

You're not solving anything either.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

Take a stance on me immediately.

Shut the fuck up and let me think you rock ape

[Dom]

Don't love nova ignoring my entire day one post history where I very clearly say what my beef with Drago is.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JJJ just sent me flying from dark horse over my initial catch up post because I agreed that my day one suspect was still my number one suspect.

Discuss.

Exactly. You're not doing anything, and you're not solving anything. The game is moving forward, and I have not seen anything from you that suggests you have the intention of figuring out who the cats are. You decided Dragomir was one and then farted around.

You're not solving anything either.

I am trying to solve Dom as we type, you silly man.

[MacDougall]

I don't get the scumreads on Dragomir. Sounds a bit forced by JJJ and novas, also it was quite a speedy jump.

Still think this screams of TMI. Generic mafioso keeping his distance from an incorrect angry mob before they mislynch Dragomir. He even built in eventual landing points for his finger of blame.

I tend to think this is NAI for Dragomir. The same thing that can be TMI can just be hardcore defence. It was definitely always suspicious for Rej though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Don't love nova ignoring my entire day one post history where I very clearly say what my beef with Drago is.

Don't love you ignoring what I say and then accusing me of giving you no space for response.

[MacDougall]

Ugh this complicates things

Does any part of that case surprise you?

I haven't read it. I am just not welcoming of it. I was enjoying the game and Epi vs. Jay is tiring af and repetitive.

I am a Master of Zen this game. I sort of took it from your late-stage play in the finale, actually. I may engage in debate, I may be accused like nobody ever before, and I may be inclined to respond -- but this will not become toxic. I refuse.

I am glad to hear it. Sorry for calling you a rock ape but don't make demands of me that are pointless.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am glad to hear it. Sorry for calling you a rock ape but don't make demands of me that are pointless.

That's not a pointless demand, Mac. I'm asking you to take a stance on a guy that has received two votes, leads the game in posts by a ton, and has been the subject of posts you have just made.

[Dom]

Interactions: Rej and Dom

Rej

Spoiler: show

Do you always use mobile, Rej?

no right now I am on desktop (home), but I often read posts at work (mobile) and sometimes I need to interact during work
why do you ask?

Blank chatter, don't care.

Spoiler: show

I think more ISO on Mac is not needed. I wanna look into Dom vs Drago but first I will play Overwatch with a friend. So I will still track you guys until EoD.

No need for Dom ISO, that guy looks pretty townish since he became active in the Drago suspicion train.
But I ask myself if @Dom has some other reads, like some read on Mac (bringing back Mac because I think Dom was asked about Mac before and he had no read about him back then).

Rej stood in Dom's camp here (albeit with the little "But I ask" addendum at the end, doesn't mean a lot to me). That Rej specifically declared an intention to ISO Dom and then came back saying he didn't feel the need anymore, Dom just looks townish -- I think that is a decent look for Dom. If a mafioso is trying to prop up a teammate, I kind of doubt it takes this shape. Instead of projecting an ISO and then saying nevermind, they just produce the ISO (or some concrete post) and provide evidence to support the town read.

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Dom

Spoiler: show

Drago is town

Rej is cat. "I don't understand the case" is scumtell sometimes

eye have missed u friend

i also like half of this post a whole lot.

Drago is town

Rej is cat. "I don't understand the case" is scumtell sometimes

Super weak reason against one. "I don't understand the case" is not at all alignment indicative and can be said by anyone regardless of alignment. Like how could you use that as a scum tell? I don't get it.

bullsuit
yeah it CAN be.
I think rej has no intentions of understanding the case though.

Context clues suggest that Dom is referring to TH's Rej mafia read with "half of this post". He expands on that himself; the stance is distinctly anti-Rej.

Spoiler: show

JJJ and Mac look worser than before.
Fayt is ok.
Epi is also ok.

y tho

Further prodding.

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Conclusion: What exists here is mostly in Dom's favor I think, if not necessarily substantive. One issue that Dom should speak to lies with his vote, which remained on Dragomir as he made his vocal motions against Rej. Dom's last post was about 6 hours before the deadline, so keep in mind that he wasn't around for the late developments.

Gun to my head, he's a dog.

JJJ tells me to refer to his post where he discusses my alignment.
He concludes here I am civ.

[MacDougall]

I don't think Epi's case on Jay holds much water at all. Nothing that was pointed out is outside of Jay's town play. It's still a mild town tick for Epi though. I still think Jay is town.

[Dom]

Jay-- you give people virtually no time to think or respond. I do not sit at the computer and eagerly await your response. I play Star Wars Battlefront 2.

[MacDougall]

I am glad to hear it. Sorry for calling you a rock ape but don't make demands of me that are pointless.

That's not a pointless demand, Mac. I'm asking you to take a stance on a guy that has received two votes, leads the game in posts by a ton, and has been the subject of posts you have just made.

I was catching up on a flurry of posts and trying to make heads or tails of them. Asking me to make an immediate read on you is asking for me to make shit up.

[MacDougall]

Jay-- you give people virtually no time to think or respond. I do not sit at the computer and eagerly await your response. I play Star Wars Battlefront 2.

Thank you, you can be a town read.

[Dom]

I don't think Epi's case on Jay holds much water at all. Nothing that was pointed out is outside of Jay's town play. It's still a mild town tick for Epi though. I still think Jay is town.

I largely agree. I think it just means that Jay's analysis isn't fool proof.

[Epignosis]

Rej:

"Back to JJJ : I feel you are way too agressive to get a clear civ read from me. I dont know how scum profits from this but we got 2 fast wagons started up. And I feel town does not profit from these wagons. We still have time and need to wait for some replies."

This is a bullshit thing to say. This is one teammate communicating to another.

I'm sorry JJJ, but you got to go.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JJJ tells me to refer to his post where he discusses my alignment.
He concludes here I am civ.

Bad.

The gun-to-head conclusion I drew does not reflect everything contained in that post -- the rest of the very same conclusion speaks to what doubts I may have. You're not even trying to engage with me right now. You're gaslighting me.

[MacDougall]

Of all the people who were just participatory in that flurry Nova's contributions were the most skewiff. I don't understand what he was trying to do at all.

[MacDougall]

I don't think Epi's case on Jay holds much water at all. Nothing that was pointed out is outside of Jay's town play. It's still a mild town tick for Epi though. I still think Jay is town.

I largely agree. I think it just means that Jay's analysis isn't fool proof.

Jay is allowed to be wrong if he is town. He'll corner the wolves and squeeze them out eventually.

[Dom]

Jay-- you give people virtually no time to think or respond. I do not sit at the computer and eagerly await your response. I play Star Wars Battlefront 2.

Thank you, you can be a town read.

[Dom]

I don't think Epi's case on Jay holds much water at all. Nothing that was pointed out is outside of Jay's town play. It's still a mild town tick for Epi though. I still think Jay is town.

I largely agree. I think it just means that Jay's analysis isn't fool proof.

Jay is allowed to be wrong if he is town. He'll corner the wolves and squeeze them out eventually.

I also agree with this. We're all allowed to be wrong.
I am a lot. Though, I don't act like it.

[MacDougall]

Rej:

"Back to JJJ : I feel you are way too agressive to get a clear civ read from me. I dont know how scum profits from this but we got 2 fast wagons started up. And I feel town does not profit from these wagons. We still have time and need to wait for some replies."

This is a bullshit thing to say. This is one teammate communicating to another.

I'm sorry JJJ, but you got to go.

Jay is a good player. How is it in his strategic best interests as scum to play in such a way that results in Rej being lynched? If Jay didn't want Rej lynched, Rej would be alive. I don't think we lynch a wolf on day 1 if Jay is a wolf pretty much in any game ever tbh.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay-- you give people virtually no time to think or respond. I do not sit at the computer and eagerly await your response. I play Star Wars Battlefront 2.

Take your time then and actually answer the things I have said. You've been exposed to two posts now with my concern, and instead of talking about them you've given me a shrug emoji and a gaslight.

You've spent all of your hunting energy on Dragomir and Rej. I would estimate the distribution between those two to be about 90-10. I am not convinced that you were interested in getting to the bottom of Dragomir's alignment, and instead you were intent to bury him under the mass of pressure he took early in the game. That continues now. I have very little clue where you stand on anyone in this game other than Dragomir.

Address this however you may, and I will give you time to do so.

Moving on.

[Dom]

Nova-- what's up with you? Who do you want to lynch who isn't named Jay?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay is a good player. How is it in his strategic best interests as scum to play in such a way that results in Rej being lynched? If Jay didn't want Rej lynched, Rej would be alive. I don't think we lynch a wolf on day 1 if Jay is a wolf pretty much in any game ever tbh.

To my memory it happened once (the scrimmage game with Ultra). The difference there is that I ensured I would be on the golden star sticker wagon and not the derp counterwagon that civilians can't wait to slaughter.