MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:14 pm
For those interested in demonstrable bogus overnight solves here it is btw.
Naked vote Miranda. Ponies and Miranda both question it. #393 "Just the person I was least impressed by in this page." Answer given to Ponies and not the recipient of the vote themselves. Very very slight good look for Miranda (already a townread anyway).
Fluff engagement with Sloonei. NAI Sloonei.
Placates Zenge when he says he doesn't like the miranda wagon. Weird honestly. It was pretty easy to see that Creature had an obvious "just going through the motions" undertone to all of their play.
Neon states there's a wolf in Miranda + the voters and when asked who it would be by Animal Midwife directly calls out Creature. SVS elaborates with more detail. Tiny tiny good look for Neon (because Neon would attack the teammate in this context in most cases), better for SVS due to the elaboration. Neon mmmyes reply to SVS. Doesn't want to do any work on the push ... don't love.
Comes back page 18, yawns, quotes a Dennis post and calls him town (this is very likely TMI) and votes Nate for standing around. Given Dennis/Nate interactions this might indicate they are t/t. Falcon, Animal Midwife react displeased. Falcon votes. Zenge and SVS curious about AM's reply indicating meta history with Creature. Okayt looks for all of Falcon, Dennis and Nate.
Creature calls Zenge "stubborn town" commenting on the Zenge/Falcon interactions. Is a bit of a shield of Falcon without pushing Zenge. Like makes Zenge out to be stubborn/irrational to discredit him. Falcon pings PSV to ask for a Neon read which Creature intercepts to say Neon is town. Slightly good look for Falcon.
Neon quotes Creature and jokes about having a n0 red on him. Neon also jabbed him for answering for PSV. - Not sure I like it but I suppose I give it a tiny good look maybe. Feels like pre-emptive to bussing.
Ponies out of nowhere pings out Mayo and Falcon and asks them for Creature notes. Don't even recall Mayo saying anything about Creature here. Falcon says his presence was trash and both his votes trash. Nice for Falcon. Need to work out when Mayo made this vote and whether they replied here.
Pyxxy asks AM if she'd be down to vote any of Creature, Scotty or Sporty and asks for elab. AM says yes to Creature because he's not doing enough. Both dead town. Pyxxy has some interesting content around Dennis. Thinks that Dennis is accidentally making Pyxxy look sus in the eyes of the SDN crowd. Kinda odd. Asks AM for more elab on the Creature read. Dennis is taken aback and seems equal parts annoyed and also ashamed by this weird interaction. AM says his lack of activity is a big deal and doesn't need more elab (is right). Pyxxy is now asking AM whether all the other slankers belong in the same boat as Creature. AM is bored and ignrorant. Sloonei chimes in to say that volume is a reliable tell on him softly. Pyxxy asks for more elab and Sloonei gives it to him which Falcon backs up. Dennis in #1240 issues a "would rather not kill someone for low posting D1" defense of Creature. Almost seems guilty mind too with the "Interpret this blanket defense as you may".
It's kind of weird that Falcon is voting Creature who is slanking but also made the comment "lynching slankers D1 is always suboptimal" though I suppose he isn't viewing Creature as a slanker type player which he isn't so maybe not. Sloonei is around at this time really pushing Scotty even going as far as to use animations to get peoples attentions. Interesting.
SVS comes in with a big old readslist and shits all over Creature's head. Tight. Falcon pings Wilgy to sheep him on Creature. Ponies (thankfully dead town), questions SVS's Creature poop. SVS and Ponies have a little teet-a-teet over Creature.
PSV with a real clanger of a post in #1300. Trying to signal boost Sloonei's push on Scotty. "I think the push on Scotty feels towny." Really not loving PSV.
Falcon is really going hard at Creature in the paint. Wilgy straight up sheeps Falcon on Creature no questions asked. Creature is now back and of all the players reading him wolf he townreads Falcon and cares not for the rest. Falcon is entirely town to a hectic degree.
PSV tries to encourage Creature to talk more and Creature says he will and apologies. PSV then votes Scotty and Creature simply sheeps the vote. PSV is bemused. Falcon asked him for reads, Creature's townreads are literally every player that the wolves have killed so far (AM, SP, Zenge) as well as Falcon. It doesn't feel like Creature is even remotely interested in playing the wolf alignment so I would be extremely prone to just taking all of his townreads at face value here. Dya asks him to elaborate on the reads and then pings out AM to defend Creature because he's outgrown that meta, but then hedges it to say he can still be a wolf on play.
Creature replies to Falcon asking for elab on his townreads and throws Dennis into the list in a very haphazard way. Considering Dennis has sort of shielded him earlier, I am more inclined to read this as more TMI and possibly just trying to butter up to Dennis who had earlier tried to shield him, rather than the shielding of a teammate. His reasoning for townreading everyone is stated succinctly, with the exception of Neon who is says he only felt fine and isn't really a townread. Given Neon had been hounding him a really ungenerous fashion, I am unsure why Creature makes the choice to nullread Neon here. It's a bit sus.
Creature at this time has 4 votes, Mayo, SVS, Falcon and Wilgy. Scotty has 4 votes, Neon, Creature, Sloonei and PSV. Ponies has 3 votes, pyxxy, seanzie, miranda920. Dennis has 2 town voting him and miranda has 1 town plus Santy. #1345. This is an important VC. Pyxxy doing the lords work posting that shit. Hate PSV and Neon voting Scotty here. Also really don't like Seanzie being on Ponies especially in light of his complete fall off on day 2. I'm starting to think I misread the kills and Pyxxy was actually a wolf kill, with Ponies the one who got killed by town though. Maybe Seanzie killed Ponies and Ponies flipping town demotivated him
Pyxxy is pleased that his top 3 choice are all wagoned.
Pyxxy pings out dya to comment on the Creature wagon. AM thanks dya for the info and says nothing else. Dya reiterates to pyxxy that he is being pushed for bad reasons and also states that they have reasons they cannot speak of that his attention being elsewhere is NAI.
Dennis comes in shielding Creature on Ponies. Very defensive of Dennis here. But then he essentially townslips because in #1394 he realises he misread it haha. Creature in #1395 "the SDN players were more towny than TS players but maybe he hasn't seen their wolf game and he's underestimating them while overstating the Syndicators". This makes me think I am right and most of the wolf team are Syndicators given Creature is not obfuscating his information much if at all.
Ponies comes out stating if it comes down to Scotty v Creature he probably goes with Scotty. Dya also says Scotty's ISO pings them. Dya needs a specific ISO here, cuz I need to see whether Dya engaged with Scotty in a way that showed any intent to solve him and the suspicion was genuine.
Damn, in #1514 Marmot now coming out swinging at Creature. Hard endorsement of the wagon. Wow. If Marmot is town the mafia are going to take a shot at me and miselim him off my read. Dang. Hopefully I catch a save tonight. Fuck me #1517 is so outing I think i am going to cry. PSV "I think Creature jumped on Scotty at prime bussy spot". This is like... the most ridiculous non thought ever. I haven't seen a post this singularly outing in so long.
Marmot votes Creature here. Ponies and Nate both huhpost at PSV off that weird ass post. Nate votes Creature to tie the wagons up again which pleases Ponies. Marmot asks for an argument about Creature being town. Dya says "if you happened to know about other things going on elsewhere, you would probably not be upset at the lack of content..." I mean please lol. #1540
Dya adds that it's not a town read. Much the same way that supa hot fire is not a rapper I guess.
PSV outright implies that yes in fact Creature AND Scotty are wolves. Marmot asks dya to elaborate. I can see why Marmot is now sus of dya/lawpy. The fact that they are is a good look for him now.
#1560 from Dennis is I literally have nfi what. AM is super aggrieved that Dennis floated people to consider voting but then walked back that they were his suspicions. Eh. I dunno, Dennis is super wolfy I cannot lie. But ... I dunno if he is a wolf. Tough instinct/information contradiction read.
Nice bonus Pyxxy townread from Marmot in #1563. That his focus remains outside the Scotty/Creature dicho is a good look. And here comes the Creature ate.
SAR shows up looking for direction and MR7 is now offering their first input onto Creature from the perspective of being a Scotty voter. It's fine matter of fact stuff. NAI. Maybe even a little townie. Creature actually gets tilted at this of all posts which is remarkable because Creature took that post from NAI to townspew. Yikes. Great look for MR7. #1572
AM is really pushing Dennis and it's largely over how Dennis is dealing with Creature. Yeeeeah.
Marmot is offering Dennis his vote and Dennis is fumbling. Doesn't want to double down. This looks like really weak wolfplay because he knows there is a t/w dicho and this is putting him under pressure. If he was town I feel he just answers.
Interestingly Mayo vote has been here the whole time and I've still not seen them talk about Creature. Needs an ISO.
#1586, Marmot deigns to move off Creature. He doesn't want to vote Scotty because he wants more choice. It's a weirdly hedgy post and it sounds towny but it isn't really.
Marmot however again spews it town in #1592.
Creature floats Santygrass as a potential vote to Marmot in #1603. Marmot asks Creature why he's voting Scotty. MR7 is happy that Marmot is going to move from Creature it seems. Or perhaps it's moreso that Marmot wants to look at other candidates. It's ... maybe a towny post? #1606. Weird but sorta towny.
#1618, dya iso'd scotty, miranda, creature and sporty. Creature is curious about what they came up with. Dya got not much out of miranda and creature. Townread Sporty and didn't like Scotty. It's okay I guess. Not gonna confbias it.
Marmot does leap off Creature with ties bad post and AM didn't like it. I don't like that he had to qualify it this way given he'd already qualified that he was probably going to. He feels guilty about it tbh. Maybe Marmot is mafia after all.
Creature is violently in antispew in terms of not wanting to make any actual pushes. Which means Santy is probably just town cuz he's already done so.
Marmot or Dya is very unlikely to be t/t, but I am really not sure which way it goes.
I think Mayo may have been trying to get people to explain why Scotty is scummy to see if they were on the wrong wagon. I am pretty confident this is a town. Marmot was quite interested in helping them make that read. As you can see in #1650.
#1660 from Nate is maybe a little bit towny. Doesn't want to vote Creature but also doesn't want to park Scotty. Nah more NAI. Maybe worried about how wolfy it might like if Creature goes down. Marmot pings out Creature for disappearing. Creature floats Santy again as a candidate. LOL. Santy is town. Santy shows up at the last minute and now Creature is trying to appeal to him hahaha. Fuck.
Aight that's that
Well out of that I think that
Dennis - I cannot defend him. He looks like a Creature partner.
DrWilgy - Literally inno child for sheeping Creature and then disappearing into Doctorville somewhere.
dya - In a very firm difference check with Marmot.
falcon45ca - Spewed himself town.
genny - Nothing at all. Creature choosing to push Santy and not genny is maybe a very minor concern.
Marmot - Obviously some really bad stuff. There's some good stuff too though so I have to wind back the strength of my read. Is much more likely wolf if dya town and vice versa.
Mayo - Need to review but on the surface I think this is just town.
mr7 - I think Creature accidentally spewed them town.
miranda - Light town feels here, but not much.
Nate - Similar to above.
Neon - I have serious concerns.
PSV - I think this is an outed wolf honestly.
SVS - Reserved townlean. They look very clean for this whole thing... almost too clean. I dunno. Town until further notice but I have my worries.
santy - Spewed town.
SARdog - Sort of in the miranda/nate bucket.
Seanzie - Completely absent in the discussion.
Sloonei - I still think he is town. Wolves just used his clout/authenticity to get Scotty over.
Not Werecreature
Tutuu
Falcon
Mayo
MR7
Santy
Sloonei
Probably Not Werecreature
Miranda
Nate
SVS
SARdog
Could Be Anything
Genny
Seanzie
Wouldn't Be Surprised if Werecreature
Dennis
Marmot (diff to Lawpy)
Neon
Werecreature
Lawpy
PSV
