The Syndicate

Nutella surviving this game is insane

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:54 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:51 pm Congrats mafia! Sincerely, very well-played.
Thanks.

Thanks for being a good sport too.

(for the record, nutella isn't lying. I was trying to get her to put her vote on me and switch at the last second. Grr.)

And for the record, Kites, I've been directing you wherever I want every night since you were recruited into badguyia. Secondary power. Frustrating that you THOUGHT you targeted Kylemii, and it just happened to almost get me killed.

Considering you just won the game that begs the question... why were you?

Which one was the don?

So Jay. How bout that Dunya.

cmon Jack of Farts

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:09 pm
gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:28 pm I think Marmot is scum and he is my preferred lynch.

I could go for this as well

Also I want us to think about Jay's death some more, the mafia had the most to gain through lynching him and I seem to recall MAc and Epi pushing his lynch.

Mac is imo seen as one of the best scum players as is Epi why wouldn't they be picked?

If someone who's been around the block before had anything to do with the mafia pick Mac would be high up he won the GoC in 2015 (?) as well as many other games as mafia. He's also seems to be leading us on a path of destruction.

IF we don't get results soon I suggest looking back over Epi, Nutella, and Mac. I wouldn't be surprised if we had one mafia within that group.

rattles chains

Lynch Wilgy

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:41 pm At this point we don't know which of you goes but it's time for you to say your last words in case it's you.
Any civilians who contributed to my destruction: I forgive you. You did what you thought was best to progress our team just like I have done, and I cannot fault you for being wrong. We all are most of the time.

Some base points:

~ Never lynch the following players: speedchuck, MacDougall, Dragon D. Luffy

~ These are civilian reads, though I would encourage vigilant investigation anyway: nutella, lapluie, Kylemii, gwilikers6, Kenway, Kites

~ I think he looks like a civilian, though my tinfoil is twitching: rundontwalk

~ I think read this guy as a civilian, but he has nonetheless done what I perceive to be a lot of damage to the game. This is not some petulant gripe, this is serious: he has contributed to the worsening climate for dunya, who was an obvious civilian (speedchuck carries on that credit). He has been rigidly confident in his read on me without having lynched a separate mafioso first, meaning he thinks he can snag me without interactive clues. He still hasn't done shit with his exercise. These don't have to make him bad, but if y'all fail to press him on these issues and any other you identify, then you are asking for it.

~ I have no reason to give any of these people civilian credit or otherwise have active suspicion of them: colonialbob, DrWilgy, Iron_Dwarf, Long Con, Marmot, sprityo, Quin

~ My top suspect is DrWilgy. Beyond the fake dunya crap, I also think he's by nature a high-chance don selection. Everybody loves Wilgy and would be pleased to have his unpredictable nonsense on their team with them.

~ USE YOUR DAMNED P.O.E. Make your cases and pursue them with fervor, but do not overestimate your own capacity to see through people. So far it hasn't gone well. Finding the first one is always the hardest part. Rely more on your civilian reads and work together.

Anyone object to carrying out Jay's final wishes and lynching the doc?

I will be flipping my MO. Since Jay was town we can look back and trust that his reads were genuine. He is a very good player so he probably had some good cases.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:26 pm I'm more suspicious of Epi after today.

I might ISO him.

Any outcome?

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:26 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:36 am We can win. But it will take the civilians that are left to be very good.

I was thinking earlier that we have fostered an environment that allows too much comfort for the Mafia. Civilians acting like not civilians. We get so turned around that we lynch players for seeming TOO civvie and shit. We should issue a standard and force the mafia out into the open by being relentlessly adherent to it.
Idk sounds boring

Ok

We can win. But it will take the civilians that are left to be very good.

I was thinking earlier that we have fostered an environment that allows too much comfort for the Mafia. Civilians acting like not civilians. We get so turned around that we lynch players for seeming TOO civvie and shit. We should issue a standard and force the mafia out into the open by being relentlessly adherent to it.

lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:18 am Sounds like a bunch of chickens beckering

Okay okay. Hold up. How do forum posts sound like chickens?

Epi get back in chatzy so I can scold you.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:25 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:24 pm
You're a parody of yourself.
What does that mean?

Just something to make myself sound smart.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:13 pm Alternatively, both of y'all could talk to @Spacedaisy instead of being dicks, since she was kind enough to be mod on duty for this game.

How do you know we haven't been bucko!?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:10 pm Yeah cool story Luffy. Next time add more sex scenes please. Maybe some robots.

@Epignosis

Firstly, who said this was a lost cause? Pointing out that the situation is fucked doesn't mean it's a lost cause. When I raised the point that I felt it was a pseudo lylo I didn't imply that if we lynched a civ I was going to give up, nor did I imply anybody should. I was pointing out that it was a very important day to get right. We got it wrong. So tomorrow is worse.

Secondly, why are you refuting that the situation is dire? The situation IS dire. We need to be better moving forward. If we go around thinking it's fucking roses then half the town will phone in their shit again.

What is with the timing of raising the point though? I can't see anyone bemoaning that the civs are doomed? The timing of the post is fucking weird.
Kiss my ass, MacDougall.

I wasn't even talking about you.

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:24 pm Pretty sure we’re fucked.

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:25 pm Still fucked though.

You're a parody of yourself.

Likewise.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:31 pm Ok stop. This argument has gone long enough and it's ruining the game.

I'm going to bed so I can cool down and you should drop it too. We are just attacing each other and that's unnecessary.

Peace.

Man I had dropped it ages ago but you kept talking to me like I was a piece of shit.

If you stop being rude to me, I won't have to be a dick. It's pretty simple schoolyard shit dude.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:28 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:17 pm So guys.

Why is Colonialbob bad?
He's not.

So 24 roles, 5 civs dead, 5 mafia, that leaves civs 14-5, 13-5 after tonight assuming just a mafia kill.

Problem is, of course, plurality lynches mean mafia can do significant damage with those numbers, but I think they're still high enough that they can't just take over. But we do really need to catch one tomorrow.

Be careful Bob or you'll get told to cut the bullshit and shut up by a guy who was pushing the same logic as you a few pages back.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:52 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:08 pm I feel like we are in a pseudo lylo. No dead mafia by day 3 means its time for a different approach.
In a game this big?
There is a point where town still has a positive ratio but mafia's numbers are good enough they can shut down every civ power and maybe add a few points of vote power to themselves.

Good luck lynching mafia now unless you can pull major feats in scumhunting.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:04 pm I take Epi's side here.

Morale is important. Thinking we are doomed brings apathy not desperation. No one reads 500 posts a day for 1/100 chance of winning.

And this is role madness we could randomly kill two mafia tonight for all I know.

You know what. You can have the game to yourself Luffy. Enjoy.

Hey guys, we haven't nailed a Mafia yet going into day 4. It's okay though because the power of positive thinking is going to win us this game. Cool story.

Yeah cool story Luffy. Next time add more sex scenes please. Maybe some robots.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention]

Firstly, who said this was a lost cause? Pointing out that the situation is fucked doesn't mean it's a lost cause. When I raised the point that I felt it was a pseudo lylo I didn't imply that if we lynched a civ I was going to give up, nor did I imply anybody should. I was pointing out that it was a very important day to get right. We got it wrong. So tomorrow is worse.

Secondly, why are you refuting that the situation is dire? The situation IS dire. We need to be better moving forward. If we go around thinking it's fucking roses then half the town will phone in their shit again.

What is with the timing of raising the point though? I can't see anyone bemoaning that the civs are doomed? The timing of the post is fucking weird.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:24 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:18 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:12 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:54 pm May this donkey bray and ask this much though?

Why are people bemoaning how doomed the civilians are? It's been three phases. This started with more people than Mortal Kombat, the same number of mafia, no independents (MK had two), and the first mafia member in MK wasn't lynched until Day 5. Granted the civilians lost ultimately, but it was a toss-up until the end.

I don't get the fatalism.
I'd love the figures of how many times civs have won the game having not killed a Mafia by Day 4. Mafia wins the game most of the time as it is, let alone when we don't get one early. I'd say it'd be in the realms of 1/100.
How large is the field? If you're talking 13 players, civilians are done, sure. In something of this size, with a plethora of powers in play, fatalism is bullshit.
I disagree. If anything I think it's easier in small games to come back against a shitty early game because the percentage of people spewing bullshit into the thread is lower so the power of POE is higher. Tree Mafia is good example. The Mafia team having to exist in the thread together for as long as they did made it easier to see the connections towards the end of the game. In a game of this complexity the connections are much more muddied.

As an aside, what is your intention for making this statement exactly?
You disagree? It isn't a matter of agreement. You are wrong. More civilians equals more chances to win.

What statement did I make?
One of us provided an example, and it wasn't you. More civilians doesn't equal more chances to win because there are also more Mafia. And the Mafia MO is to make for a difficult thread environment to catch them in. With more of them doing that, the thread is a much harder place to find Mafia.

What is there to be gained from you trying to pacify our pessimism here? Why did you feel the need to make a stand against the thought that we are in a dire situation? What is the inspiration? What posts caused you to go on this tangent?
Yeah, fuck it.

We're done.

No reason to bother, everybody.

Just go home.

Mafia won.

It isn't a tangent. It's a point of fact.

That's not how I see it. Fear of the situation being dire breeds desperation and effort, not apathy. It sounds to me like you want everyone to just be like "yeah cool we're not in trouble at all".

So you are saying that you are feeling like the civs in this game think it's a lost cause and are giving up?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:18 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:12 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:54 pm May this donkey bray and ask this much though?

Why are people bemoaning how doomed the civilians are? It's been three phases. This started with more people than Mortal Kombat, the same number of mafia, no independents (MK had two), and the first mafia member in MK wasn't lynched until Day 5. Granted the civilians lost ultimately, but it was a toss-up until the end.

I don't get the fatalism.
I'd love the figures of how many times civs have won the game having not killed a Mafia by Day 4. Mafia wins the game most of the time as it is, let alone when we don't get one early. I'd say it'd be in the realms of 1/100.
How large is the field? If you're talking 13 players, civilians are done, sure. In something of this size, with a plethora of powers in play, fatalism is bullshit.
I disagree. If anything I think it's easier in small games to come back against a shitty early game because the percentage of people spewing bullshit into the thread is lower so the power of POE is higher. Tree Mafia is good example. The Mafia team having to exist in the thread together for as long as they did made it easier to see the connections towards the end of the game. In a game of this complexity the connections are much more muddied.

As an aside, what is your intention for making this statement exactly?
The mafia team in that game grew lazy.

A lazy mafia team doesn't lose that situation nearly every time.

Jeez I don't remember it that way but you were the mod.

I agree though. That is a rare one.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:18 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:12 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:54 pm May this donkey bray and ask this much though?

Why are people bemoaning how doomed the civilians are? It's been three phases. This started with more people than Mortal Kombat, the same number of mafia, no independents (MK had two), and the first mafia member in MK wasn't lynched until Day 5. Granted the civilians lost ultimately, but it was a toss-up until the end.

I don't get the fatalism.
I'd love the figures of how many times civs have won the game having not killed a Mafia by Day 4. Mafia wins the game most of the time as it is, let alone when we don't get one early. I'd say it'd be in the realms of 1/100.
How large is the field? If you're talking 13 players, civilians are done, sure. In something of this size, with a plethora of powers in play, fatalism is bullshit.
I disagree. If anything I think it's easier in small games to come back against a shitty early game because the percentage of people spewing bullshit into the thread is lower so the power of POE is higher. Tree Mafia is good example. The Mafia team having to exist in the thread together for as long as they did made it easier to see the connections towards the end of the game. In a game of this complexity the connections are much more muddied.

As an aside, what is your intention for making this statement exactly?
You disagree? It isn't a matter of agreement. You are wrong. More civilians equals more chances to win.

What statement did I make?

One of us provided an example, and it wasn't you. More civilians doesn't equal more chances to win because there are also more Mafia. And the Mafia MO is to make for a difficult thread environment to catch them in. With more of them doing that, the thread is a much harder place to find Mafia.

What is there to be gained from you trying to pacify our pessimism here? Why did you feel the need to make a stand against the thought that we are in a dire situation? What is the inspiration? What posts caused you to go on this tangent?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:12 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:54 pm May this donkey bray and ask this much though?

Why are people bemoaning how doomed the civilians are? It's been three phases. This started with more people than Mortal Kombat, the same number of mafia, no independents (MK had two), and the first mafia member in MK wasn't lynched until Day 5. Granted the civilians lost ultimately, but it was a toss-up until the end.

I don't get the fatalism.
I'd love the figures of how many times civs have won the game having not killed a Mafia by Day 4. Mafia wins the game most of the time as it is, let alone when we don't get one early. I'd say it'd be in the realms of 1/100.
How large is the field? If you're talking 13 players, civilians are done, sure. In something of this size, with a plethora of powers in play, fatalism is bullshit.

I disagree. If anything I think it's easier in small games to come back against a shitty early game because the percentage of people spewing bullshit into the thread is lower so the power of POE is higher. Tree Mafia is good example. The Mafia team having to exist in the thread together for as long as they did made it easier to see the connections towards the end of the game. In a game of this complexity the connections are much more muddied.

As an aside, what is your intention for making this statement exactly?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:54 pm May this donkey bray and ask this much though?

Why are people bemoaning how doomed the civilians are? It's been three phases. This started with more people than Mortal Kombat, the same number of mafia, no independents (MK had two), and the first mafia member in MK wasn't lynched until Day 5. Granted the civilians lost ultimately, but it was a toss-up until the end.

I don't get the fatalism.

I'd love the figures of how many times civs have won the game having not killed a Mafia by Day 4. Mafia wins the game most of the time as it is, let alone when we don't get one early. I'd say it'd be in the realms of 1/100.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:33 pm So Jay had 9 votes and ID had 7 or 8 votes.

Awesome.

I didn't really have four extra votes

Would you look at that!

But alas. I had 4 extra votes.

Jaaaackkkk

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:34 am Jay knows he's living, that's why he's still posting. He'll be like "oh yay you guys, sucks Iron Dwarf is a civ" and then nobody will vote for him tomorrow because reasons.
Mac, sometimes you say the silliest things. Never change.

"Look at me guys. I was so obviously a civ and thought I was being lynched."

Everyone else: "he is clearly a civ".

Death envelops all.

Jay knows he's living, that's why he's still posting. He'll be like "oh yay you guys, sucks Iron Dwarf is a civ" and then nobody will vote for him tomorrow because reasons.

God damn it I need closure.

It's good to see [mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] is still around watching the game. Sign up to another game Col.

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:54 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:52 pm is the poll right? doesn't gwil have to be voting for jay? am I misunderstanding
It is 100% perfect the way it is now.

Probably not.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:51 pm If anyone changes their vote now I'd better hear a good reason for it.

CFDs are cancer.

Do Jay's recent posts sway you? I am second guessing myself.

[mention]Iron_Dwarf[/mention]
[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

At this point we don't know which of you goes but it's time for you to say your last words in case it's you.

It says the poll has ended btw?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:39 pm @Kylemii
@sig

Time to vote.

Not getting their vote in on time (ie. not levelling up) is a civ tell btw. These guys are civs.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:39 pm Pretty sure I'm up by one vote.

You're probably on like zero votes or some shit if yesterday is anything to go by.

Vote tally plz & thx. Why are we not using the poll for this, it's driving me nuts!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:18 pm
lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:16 pm Jjj is NOT mafia, he's even willing to die, this is insane
Neither are you. You're one of my strongest civilian reads. If I die, don't lynch lapluie.
Um no, if you die and flip civ she becomes a red skittle.
That's about how much people have listened to me so far, I guess. What do I know, I've played this game like three times.

Lapluie crying out that we are about to mislynch you (if you are a civ) is about the biggest scumslip in the game so far.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:18 pm
lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:16 pm Jjj is NOT mafia, he's even willing to die, this is insane
Neither are you. You're one of my strongest civilian reads. If I die, don't lynch lapluie.

Um no, if you die and flip civ she becomes a red skittle.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:08 pm Also Mac, I am literally calling for nobody to change their votes again in this phase. If the tally doesn't move a millimeter, it'd be PERFECT. I don't want people chopping and changing votes; that's the opposite of what I have called for.

Why did you reply to my initial post as though you were disputing my point if you agree with it!?

Jimmy, are you saying that you'd rather an EOD with a game full of people chopping and changing their votes on a whim? We've just used an entire day's play, there are wagons, cases, rationalisations have been made. There were 2 full days before it. There is no fucking reason why anyone would have to wait until they have an epiphany with an hour to spare to change their vote. That is so pro-mafia it's ridiculous. Let's make the Mafia stand out like dogs balls to do what they have to do. Let's not allow for a thread environment that could allow the Mafia to "accidentally" mislynch a civ and not have to answer for it.

If I was a civilian and I showed up to place my civilian vote on a person I think is Mafia and I have no idea what the vote tally is and then by the time I actually figure it out and cast my vote there has been 10 linki vote changes, I would probably just go and watch porn instead.

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