Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Game Over]

[Kites]

these lynches

[mention]lapluie[/mention] just remembered you’re a thief too, got any results, someone’s nationality? Did you steal a vote too?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

So Jay had 9 votes and ID had 7 or 8 votes.

Awesome.

I didn't really have four extra votes

Dude this is a game with three lynch redirects don't expect me to know when you are being sarcastic with this shit.

[colonialbob]

Speedchuck could also have been misdirected? That would only explain it if he got redirected to another ID voter.

Ugh, non-obvious vote manipulation. :/

[Kites]

oh wow just noticed this, maybe he is then
but that means i had nothing to with the possible misdirection of sig

how is your power worded? because redirecting harmful actions towards your long lost brother doesn't make a lot of sense thematically. is it possible you have it backwards?

Okay so Jack just corrected me :o If anyone tries to harm my brother, and my action could somehow prevent it, I will be misdirected to him.

So if Wilgy is my brother, I stopped sig and that means someone else killed Colin. However according to the rules you will be notified if your action fails but sig didn’t say so. So either Wilgy is not my brother and sig was misdirected or sig is lying about the kill.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm more suspicious of Epi after today.

I might ISO him.

[Kylemii]

oh wow just noticed this, maybe he is then
but that means i had nothing to with the possible misdirection of sig

how is your power worded? because redirecting harmful actions towards your long lost brother doesn't make a lot of sense thematically. is it possible you have it backwards?

Okay so Jack just corrected me :o If anyone tries to harm my brother, and my action could somehow prevent it, I will be misdirected to him.

So if Wilgy is my brother, I stopped sig and that means someone else killed Colin. However according to the rules you will be notified if your action fails but sig didn’t say so. So either Wilgy is not my brother and sig was misdirected or sig is lying about the kill.

misdirected to "him" misdirected to whom? :^?

[Epignosis]

I'm more suspicious of Epi after today.

I might ISO him.

Go ahead. I'm a donkey.

[Kites]

oh wow just noticed this, maybe he is then
but that means i had nothing to with the possible misdirection of sig

how is your power worded? because redirecting harmful actions towards your long lost brother doesn't make a lot of sense thematically. is it possible you have it backwards?

Okay so Jack just corrected me :o If anyone tries to harm my brother, and my action could somehow prevent it, I will be misdirected to him.

So if Wilgy is my brother, I stopped sig and that means someone else killed Colin. However according to the rules you will be notified if your action fails but sig didn’t say so. So either Wilgy is not my brother and sig was misdirected or sig is lying about the kill.

misdirected to "him" misdirected to whom? :^?

my brother. if sig targeted my brother, my ”got your back” action can prevent the kill so i will be misdirected to my brother

[Marmot]

I bodyguarded Mac.

Thanks man. In return have one of these.

Okay.

Y'all tell me who you want me to kill next night phase, and then tell me if you think it's worth using that kill if it roleblocks and level-blocks every other civilian.

Hell no.

Up your lynch game. It's better than a nightkill.

Jay did not up his lynch game.

[Kylemii]

oh wow just noticed this, maybe he is then
but that means i had nothing to with the possible misdirection of sig

how is your power worded? because redirecting harmful actions towards your long lost brother doesn't make a lot of sense thematically. is it possible you have it backwards?

Okay so Jack just corrected me :o If anyone tries to harm my brother, and my action could somehow prevent it, I will be misdirected to him.

So if Wilgy is my brother, I stopped sig and that means someone else killed Colin. However according to the rules you will be notified if your action fails but sig didn’t say so. So either Wilgy is not my brother and sig was misdirected or sig is lying about the kill.

misdirected to "him" misdirected to whom? :^?

my brother. if sig targeted my brother, my ”got your back” action can prevent the kill so i will be misdirected to my brother

I think I'm kind of getting it? so if your brother is endangered, then your power and target are chosen for you in a way which would prevent his harm. so if Wilgy is your brother then the fact that Sig's kill was misdirected after you targeted him is unrelated?

the fact that you yourself would have contributed to harming Wilgy by targeting sig, assuming he's your brother wouldn't alter Sig's choice to target him, but would change your choice to protecting brother from fliers, which leads to.... yeah. Either you didn't effect Sig's kill at all or "Fliers can't target your target." means that a random target is selected rather than a protection/block, or a different power is involved, or someone involved in the shit is lying.

[Epignosis]

May this donkey bray and ask this much though?

Why are people bemoaning how doomed the civilians are? It's been three phases. This started with more people than Mortal Kombat, the same number of mafia, no independents (MK had two), and the first mafia member in MK wasn't lynched until Day 5. Granted the civilians lost ultimately, but it was a toss-up until the end.

I don't get the fatalism.

[MacDougall]

May this donkey bray and ask this much though?

Why are people bemoaning how doomed the civilians are? It's been three phases. This started with more people than Mortal Kombat, the same number of mafia, no independents (MK had two), and the first mafia member in MK wasn't lynched until Day 5. Granted the civilians lost ultimately, but it was a toss-up until the end.

I don't get the fatalism.

I'd love the figures of how many times civs have won the game having not killed a Mafia by Day 4. Mafia wins the game most of the time as it is, let alone when we don't get one early. I'd say it'd be in the realms of 1/100.

[Marmot]

Oh my god!! Look at

what crazy things
I
can
do

with urls!

[Epignosis]

May this donkey bray and ask this much though?

Why are people bemoaning how doomed the civilians are? It's been three phases. This started with more people than Mortal Kombat, the same number of mafia, no independents (MK had two), and the first mafia member in MK wasn't lynched until Day 5. Granted the civilians lost ultimately, but it was a toss-up until the end.

I don't get the fatalism.

I'd love the figures of how many times civs have won the game having not killed a Mafia by Day 4. Mafia wins the game most of the time as it is, let alone when we don't get one early. I'd say it'd be in the realms of 1/100.

How large is the field? If you're talking 13 players, civilians are done, sure. In something of this size, with a plethora of powers in play, fatalism is bullshit.

[MacDougall]

May this donkey bray and ask this much though?

Why are people bemoaning how doomed the civilians are? It's been three phases. This started with more people than Mortal Kombat, the same number of mafia, no independents (MK had two), and the first mafia member in MK wasn't lynched until Day 5. Granted the civilians lost ultimately, but it was a toss-up until the end.

I don't get the fatalism.

I'd love the figures of how many times civs have won the game having not killed a Mafia by Day 4. Mafia wins the game most of the time as it is, let alone when we don't get one early. I'd say it'd be in the realms of 1/100.

How large is the field? If you're talking 13 players, civilians are done, sure. In something of this size, with a plethora of powers in play, fatalism is bullshit.

I disagree. If anything I think it's easier in small games to come back against a shitty early game because the percentage of people spewing bullshit into the thread is lower so the power of POE is higher. Tree Mafia is good example. The Mafia team having to exist in the thread together for as long as they did made it easier to see the connections towards the end of the game. In a game of this complexity the connections are much more muddied.

As an aside, what is your intention for making this statement exactly?

[Epignosis]

May this donkey bray and ask this much though?

Why are people bemoaning how doomed the civilians are? It's been three phases. This started with more people than Mortal Kombat, the same number of mafia, no independents (MK had two), and the first mafia member in MK wasn't lynched until Day 5. Granted the civilians lost ultimately, but it was a toss-up until the end.

I don't get the fatalism.

I'd love the figures of how many times civs have won the game having not killed a Mafia by Day 4. Mafia wins the game most of the time as it is, let alone when we don't get one early. I'd say it'd be in the realms of 1/100.

How large is the field? If you're talking 13 players, civilians are done, sure. In something of this size, with a plethora of powers in play, fatalism is bullshit.

I disagree. If anything I think it's easier in small games to come back against a shitty early game because the percentage of people spewing bullshit into the thread is lower so the power of POE is higher. Tree Mafia is good example. The Mafia team having to exist in the thread together for as long as they did made it easier to see the connections towards the end of the game. In a game of this complexity the connections are much more muddied.

As an aside, what is your intention for making this statement exactly?

You disagree? It isn't a matter of agreement. You are wrong. More civilians equals more chances to win.

What statement did I make?

[MacDougall]

May this donkey bray and ask this much though?

Why are people bemoaning how doomed the civilians are? It's been three phases. This started with more people than Mortal Kombat, the same number of mafia, no independents (MK had two), and the first mafia member in MK wasn't lynched until Day 5. Granted the civilians lost ultimately, but it was a toss-up until the end.

I don't get the fatalism.

I'd love the figures of how many times civs have won the game having not killed a Mafia by Day 4. Mafia wins the game most of the time as it is, let alone when we don't get one early. I'd say it'd be in the realms of 1/100.

How large is the field? If you're talking 13 players, civilians are done, sure. In something of this size, with a plethora of powers in play, fatalism is bullshit.

I disagree. If anything I think it's easier in small games to come back against a shitty early game because the percentage of people spewing bullshit into the thread is lower so the power of POE is higher. Tree Mafia is good example. The Mafia team having to exist in the thread together for as long as they did made it easier to see the connections towards the end of the game. In a game of this complexity the connections are much more muddied.

As an aside, what is your intention for making this statement exactly?

You disagree? It isn't a matter of agreement. You are wrong. More civilians equals more chances to win.

What statement did I make?

One of us provided an example, and it wasn't you. More civilians doesn't equal more chances to win because there are also more Mafia. And the Mafia MO is to make for a difficult thread environment to catch them in. With more of them doing that, the thread is a much harder place to find Mafia.

What is there to be gained from you trying to pacify our pessimism here? Why did you feel the need to make a stand against the thought that we are in a dire situation? What is the inspiration? What posts caused you to go on this tangent?

[Marmot]

May this donkey bray and ask this much though?

Why are people bemoaning how doomed the civilians are? It's been three phases. This started with more people than Mortal Kombat, the same number of mafia, no independents (MK had two), and the first mafia member in MK wasn't lynched until Day 5. Granted the civilians lost ultimately, but it was a toss-up until the end.

I don't get the fatalism.

I'd love the figures of how many times civs have won the game having not killed a Mafia by Day 4. Mafia wins the game most of the time as it is, let alone when we don't get one early. I'd say it'd be in the realms of 1/100.

How large is the field? If you're talking 13 players, civilians are done, sure. In something of this size, with a plethora of powers in play, fatalism is bullshit.

I disagree. If anything I think it's easier in small games to come back against a shitty early game because the percentage of people spewing bullshit into the thread is lower so the power of POE is higher. Tree Mafia is good example. The Mafia team having to exist in the thread together for as long as they did made it easier to see the connections towards the end of the game. In a game of this complexity the connections are much more muddied.

As an aside, what is your intention for making this statement exactly?

The mafia team in that game grew lazy.

A lazy mafia team doesn't lose that situation nearly every time.

[MacDougall]

May this donkey bray and ask this much though?

Why are people bemoaning how doomed the civilians are? It's been three phases. This started with more people than Mortal Kombat, the same number of mafia, no independents (MK had two), and the first mafia member in MK wasn't lynched until Day 5. Granted the civilians lost ultimately, but it was a toss-up until the end.

I don't get the fatalism.

I'd love the figures of how many times civs have won the game having not killed a Mafia by Day 4. Mafia wins the game most of the time as it is, let alone when we don't get one early. I'd say it'd be in the realms of 1/100.

How large is the field? If you're talking 13 players, civilians are done, sure. In something of this size, with a plethora of powers in play, fatalism is bullshit.

I disagree. If anything I think it's easier in small games to come back against a shitty early game because the percentage of people spewing bullshit into the thread is lower so the power of POE is higher. Tree Mafia is good example. The Mafia team having to exist in the thread together for as long as they did made it easier to see the connections towards the end of the game. In a game of this complexity the connections are much more muddied.

As an aside, what is your intention for making this statement exactly?

The mafia team in that game grew lazy.

A lazy mafia team doesn't lose that situation nearly every time.

Jeez I don't remember it that way but you were the mod.

I agree though. That is a rare one.

[Epignosis]

May this donkey bray and ask this much though?

Why are people bemoaning how doomed the civilians are? It's been three phases. This started with more people than Mortal Kombat, the same number of mafia, no independents (MK had two), and the first mafia member in MK wasn't lynched until Day 5. Granted the civilians lost ultimately, but it was a toss-up until the end.

I don't get the fatalism.

I'd love the figures of how many times civs have won the game having not killed a Mafia by Day 4. Mafia wins the game most of the time as it is, let alone when we don't get one early. I'd say it'd be in the realms of 1/100.

How large is the field? If you're talking 13 players, civilians are done, sure. In something of this size, with a plethora of powers in play, fatalism is bullshit.

I disagree. If anything I think it's easier in small games to come back against a shitty early game because the percentage of people spewing bullshit into the thread is lower so the power of POE is higher. Tree Mafia is good example. The Mafia team having to exist in the thread together for as long as they did made it easier to see the connections towards the end of the game. In a game of this complexity the connections are much more muddied.

As an aside, what is your intention for making this statement exactly?

You disagree? It isn't a matter of agreement. You are wrong. More civilians equals more chances to win.

What statement did I make?

One of us provided an example, and it wasn't you. More civilians doesn't equal more chances to win because there are also more Mafia. And the Mafia MO is to make for a difficult thread environment to catch them in. With more of them doing that, the thread is a much harder place to find Mafia.

What is there to be gained from you trying to pacify our pessimism here? Why did you feel the need to make a stand against the thought that we are in a dire situation? What is the inspiration? What posts caused you to go on this tangent?

Yeah, fuck it.

We're done.

No reason to bother, everybody.

Just go home.

Mafia won.



It isn't a tangent. It's a point of fact.

[MacDougall]

May this donkey bray and ask this much though?

Why are people bemoaning how doomed the civilians are? It's been three phases. This started with more people than Mortal Kombat, the same number of mafia, no independents (MK had two), and the first mafia member in MK wasn't lynched until Day 5. Granted the civilians lost ultimately, but it was a toss-up until the end.

I don't get the fatalism.

I'd love the figures of how many times civs have won the game having not killed a Mafia by Day 4. Mafia wins the game most of the time as it is, let alone when we don't get one early. I'd say it'd be in the realms of 1/100.

How large is the field? If you're talking 13 players, civilians are done, sure. In something of this size, with a plethora of powers in play, fatalism is bullshit.

I disagree. If anything I think it's easier in small games to come back against a shitty early game because the percentage of people spewing bullshit into the thread is lower so the power of POE is higher. Tree Mafia is good example. The Mafia team having to exist in the thread together for as long as they did made it easier to see the connections towards the end of the game. In a game of this complexity the connections are much more muddied.

As an aside, what is your intention for making this statement exactly?

You disagree? It isn't a matter of agreement. You are wrong. More civilians equals more chances to win.

What statement did I make?

One of us provided an example, and it wasn't you. More civilians doesn't equal more chances to win because there are also more Mafia. And the Mafia MO is to make for a difficult thread environment to catch them in. With more of them doing that, the thread is a much harder place to find Mafia.

What is there to be gained from you trying to pacify our pessimism here? Why did you feel the need to make a stand against the thought that we are in a dire situation? What is the inspiration? What posts caused you to go on this tangent?

Yeah, fuck it.

We're done.

No reason to bother, everybody.

Just go home.

Mafia won.



It isn't a tangent. It's a point of fact.

That's not how I see it. Fear of the situation being dire breeds desperation and effort, not apathy. It sounds to me like you want everyone to just be like "yeah cool we're not in trouble at all".

So you are saying that you are feeling like the civs in this game think it's a lost cause and are giving up?

[Marmot]

Do you guys want to talk about anything aside from the civilians being doomed?

Like what about the fact that colonialbob is scum but is still alive and playing?

[Epignosis]

So you are saying that you are feeling like the civs in this game think it's a lost cause and are giving up?

Mac, I know you can read. Read my original post again.

I am saying that any feelings that this is a lost cause for the civilians should be shut down because they are demonstrably bullshit.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I take Epi's side here.

Morale is important. Thinking we are doomed brings apathy not desperation. No one reads 500 posts a day for 1/100 chance of winning.

And this is role madness we could randomly kill two mafia tonight for all I know.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Do you guys want to talk about anything aside from the civilians being doomed?

Like what about the fact that colonialbob is scum but is still alive and playing?

How do we know he is scum?

[MacDougall]

Yeah cool story Luffy. Next time add more sex scenes please. Maybe some robots.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention]

Firstly, who said this was a lost cause? Pointing out that the situation is fucked doesn't mean it's a lost cause. When I raised the point that I felt it was a pseudo lylo I didn't imply that if we lynched a civ I was going to give up, nor did I imply anybody should. I was pointing out that it was a very important day to get right. We got it wrong. So tomorrow is worse.

Secondly, why are you refuting that the situation is dire? The situation IS dire. We need to be better moving forward. If we go around thinking it's fucking roses then half the town will phone in their shit again.

What is with the timing of raising the point though? I can't see anyone bemoaning that the civs are doomed? The timing of the post is fucking weird.

[MacDougall]

Hey guys, we haven't nailed a Mafia yet going into day 4. It's okay though because the power of positive thinking is going to win us this game. Cool story.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

No seriously.

I've never seen a game where town, upon being convinced they have a low chance of winning, try harder.

They sign up to the next game and move on.

So cut with bullshit. We are going to win this and you are going to shut up about it.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

So guys.

Why is Colonialbob bad?

[MacDougall]

You know what. You can have the game to yourself Luffy. Enjoy.

[MacDougall]

I feel like we are in a pseudo lylo. No dead mafia by day 3 means its time for a different approach.

In a game this big?

There is a point where town still has a positive ratio but mafia's numbers are good enough they can shut down every civ power and maybe add a few points of vote power to themselves.

Good luck lynching mafia now unless you can pull major feats in scumhunting.

I take Epi's side here.

Morale is important. Thinking we are doomed brings apathy not desperation. No one reads 500 posts a day for 1/100 chance of winning.

And this is role madness we could randomly kill two mafia tonight for all I know.

[colonialbob]

So guys.

Why is Colonialbob bad?

He's not.

So 24 roles, 5 civs dead, 5 mafia, that leaves civs 14-5, 13-5 after tonight assuming just a mafia kill.

Problem is, of course, plurality lynches mean mafia can do significant damage with those numbers, but I think they're still high enough that they can't just take over. But we do really need to catch one tomorrow.

[MacDougall]

So guys.

Why is Colonialbob bad?

He's not.

So 24 roles, 5 civs dead, 5 mafia, that leaves civs 14-5, 13-5 after tonight assuming just a mafia kill.

Problem is, of course, plurality lynches mean mafia can do significant damage with those numbers, but I think they're still high enough that they can't just take over. But we do really need to catch one tomorrow.

Be careful Bob or you'll get told to cut the bullshit and shut up by a guy who was pushing the same logic as you a few pages back.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ok stop. This argument has gone long enough and it's ruining the game.

I'm going to bed so I can cool down and you should drop it too. We are just attacing each other and that's unnecessary.

Peace.

[rundontwalk]

What a disaster

[rundontwalk]

Let's lynch Marmot tomorrow

[nutella]

shhhh macadamia it's ok

[MacDougall]

Ok stop. This argument has gone long enough and it's ruining the game.

I'm going to bed so I can cool down and you should drop it too. We are just attacing each other and that's unnecessary.

Peace.

Man I had dropped it ages ago but you kept talking to me like I was a piece of shit.

If you stop being rude to me, I won't have to be a dick. It's pretty simple schoolyard shit dude.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ok stop. This argument has gone long enough and it's ruining the game.

I'm going to bed so I can cool down and you should drop it too. We are just attacing each other and that's unnecessary.

Peace.

Man I had dropped it ages ago but you kept talking to me like I was a piece of shit.

If you stop being rude to me, I won't have to be a dick. It's pretty simple schoolyard shit dude.

I'm not going to start arguing whether I was a dick first or second. That doesn't achieve anything.

I'm sorry for being rude to you and I'll go back to playing.

Good night.

[MacDougall]

Likewise.

[colonialbob]

Alternatively, both of y'all could talk to [mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] instead of being dicks, since she was kind enough to be mod on duty for this game.

[colonialbob]

Let's lynch Marmot tomorrow

Your ideas intrigue me and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter (or at least learn why marmot).

[Epignosis]

Yeah cool story Luffy. Next time add more sex scenes please. Maybe some robots.

@Epignosis

Firstly, who said this was a lost cause? Pointing out that the situation is fucked doesn't mean it's a lost cause. When I raised the point that I felt it was a pseudo lylo I didn't imply that if we lynched a civ I was going to give up, nor did I imply anybody should. I was pointing out that it was a very important day to get right. We got it wrong. So tomorrow is worse.


Secondly, why are you refuting that the situation is dire? The situation IS dire. We need to be better moving forward. If we go around thinking it's fucking roses then half the town will phone in their shit again.

What is with the timing of raising the point though? I can't see anyone bemoaning that the civs are doomed? The timing of the post is fucking weird.

Kiss my ass, MacDougall.

I wasn't even talking about you.

Pretty sure we’re fucked.

Still fucked though.

[Epignosis]

And there was one other I can't find.

[Epignosis]

I still believe MacDougall is a civilian.

[MacDougall]

Yeah cool story Luffy. Next time add more sex scenes please. Maybe some robots.

@Epignosis

Firstly, who said this was a lost cause? Pointing out that the situation is fucked doesn't mean it's a lost cause. When I raised the point that I felt it was a pseudo lylo I didn't imply that if we lynched a civ I was going to give up, nor did I imply anybody should. I was pointing out that it was a very important day to get right. We got it wrong. So tomorrow is worse.


Secondly, why are you refuting that the situation is dire? The situation IS dire. We need to be better moving forward. If we go around thinking it's fucking roses then half the town will phone in their shit again.

What is with the timing of raising the point though? I can't see anyone bemoaning that the civs are doomed? The timing of the post is fucking weird.

Kiss my ass, MacDougall.

I wasn't even talking about you.

Pretty sure we’re fucked.

Still fucked though.

You're a parody of yourself.

[MacDougall]

Alternatively, both of y'all could talk to @Spacedaisy instead of being dicks, since she was kind enough to be mod on duty for this game.

How do you know we haven't been bucko!?

[Epignosis]

You're a parody of yourself.

What does that mean?

[MacDougall]

You're a parody of yourself.

What does that mean?

Just something to make myself sound smart.

[MacDougall]

Epi get back in chatzy so I can scold you.