The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:49 am Announcement

@colonialbob @MacDougall

You are both racist for voting in the night poll.

Predators don't represent black people because that sends the message that black people used to be "savage" until they decided to be more like white people, making it safe for both races to live together. Additionally, that would make the main character arc a story about how a scrappy white police officer overcomes racism against white people to save the day. Bob is racist for thinking this is the case.

Prey doesn't represent black people because then the movie is about how white on black violence is actually a plot concocted by black people to make white people look bad. This from a movie that comes on the heels of high profile incidents like the deaths of Trayvon Martin and Eric Garner, would be incredibly racist. Mac is racist for believing this is the case.

They're also both racist for comparing black people to animals. In a game about a children's movie no less. You should both be ashamed of yourselves.

Spoiler: show

In all seriousness, the truth is that despite being framed as a allegory about race relations in America, Zootopia doesn't say anything at all about racism. There is no systemic racism in Zootopia. It merely contains individuals like Mr. Hopps who believe in untrue sterotypes about other animals, individuals like Bellweather who use this individual prejudice to their advantage and jokes/plot points that use whatever animal is convenient as a metaphor for whatever race is convenient but only for the duration of the joke or as it relates to that specific plot point.

The message of equality and tolerance is entirely undercut by the fact that different mammals are waaaaaaaaaay more different than people of different skin colors. A woman that clutches her purse closely in the elevator when a big black man enters but does not do the same when a similarly sized white man enters is racist. As far as she knows, these men are the same but for their skin color. A rabbit who is fine sitting next to a sheep but not sitting next to a wolf is justified because unlike a sheep, a wolf can fucking eat her and it is a plot point that wolves used to go around eating rabbits. Both sidesing the issue and saying that everyone just needs to not judge people by the color of their skin is the most patronizing level 1 message you could possibly have as the conclusion to your movie about racism and that's exactly what Zootopia does.

To be fair, it's really hard even for movies that are not aimed primarily at children to say something insightful about race without being entirely ham-handed about it. Crash won best picture in 2004 and it is just as shallow as Zootopia while spending far less time with likable characters. If you haven't seen it, Zootopia is still more than worth watching because it is at the very least incredibly funny. There are several scenes that I can watch over and over and laugh at every time and that's worth something, even without a deep message.

indiglo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:11 am Ok, I'm home on the computer. Indulge me for a minute and allow me to completely let go of paranoia for just momentarily. I'm looking at the player list. And if I go ahead and let myself fully trust even those people I don't 100% trust, I'm curious what my suspect pool will look like. Anyone who has given me a town ping at some point in the game I'm counting as town in this PoE exercise.


coloniabob
jinrou


That's who I'm left with. Who are YOU left with, if you do your own GTH reads, and don't allow yourself to have ANY nulls at all? What does your PoE look like? In your gut, or in your heart, or whatever organ you mafia with. (Ye perverts!)


This is before I've done another read-through or vote analysis, it's just my general sense of who feels town to me this game.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:00 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:47 pm [VOTE: Jinrou] aubergine

I believe LC

I believe him too. Why Jinrou?

Asked for people to ISO then didn't do anything with it. Just playing like someone who swapped into a scum slot. Logic/Jinrou are a stark contrast.

How do Logic and Jinrou usually play?

Jinrou wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:07 pm also softclaiming is the big gae and believing a soft claim is even worse

Jinrou wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:06 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:00 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:47 pm [VOTE: Jinrou] aubergine

I believe LC

I believe him too. Why Jinrou?

Asked for people to ISO then didn't do anything with it. Just playing like someone who swapped into a scum slot. Logic/Jinrou are a stark contrast.

Well I can explain that one

I was locked out of my bank account so today I had to get my money paid out via western union for the extended holiday weekend here otherwise I couldn't have gotten any food for the last few days.

Outside of that I got the diabetes pills for my grandfather
And I guess thats all NAI, but it's basically what I did today instead of doing the isos I planned to do

indiglo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:47 pm [VOTE: Jinrou] aubergine

I believe LC

I believe him too. Why Jinrou?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:24 pm People I like: indiglo, dizzy, logic, Mac

People I don't like: speedchuck, LC, owner

People I have a suspicion are 3p: epignosis

indiglo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:42 am Voting LC because I find his Owner vote bad

What's your take on Owner? Naughty or nice?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:02 pm I'll catch up tomorrow. @ me if there's anything important I need to address I guess.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:08 am I think I have never seen a more engaged Dyslexicon

Are you proposing to me? <3

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:31 pm I can't. I haven't caught up. Answering me would help me.

You won't be wondering about my alignment if you do catch up. *snap snap snap*
I felt for a tie. I want to tickle Speed.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:56 pm Dizzy why switch?

Give a full read list, and I'll answer. :3

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:59 pm @ MacDougall did you win the champs game? Looking forward to hearing your input.

Ok, so might be seeing Owner's town game. Interesting. Which means it might be time to look elsewhere.

If I get real paranoid and tin foil, I ask myself how totally out of the loop and not caught up Kyle got lucky by voting Soneji, helping secure the mafia lynch Day 1.

Worth considering that the Daisy/Sloon wagon may have been a mafia lynch too. So Kyle was maybe safe either way, maybe he's mafia and knew that, or maybe he's town and had no idea and genuinely guessed right.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:36 pm Alright champs game over time to fuck

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:21 amEnough to know a Mafia Sloonei when I sees one.

Jolly good. But have you read the whole game? I know you're busy with the champ game as well.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:20 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:38 am Sloonei is Mafia.

How caught up are you with this game, Mac?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:07 pm These votes are thin. This game is in thin water right now.