The Syndicate

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:16 pm Best defence in the NFL don't even try me

That title goes to the Patriots my good sir.

We'll see.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:22 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:42 pm Like every player but Jay and Nutella suspected me. Most players who suspect me suspect Nutella.

The proper victory path is to shoot someone who would vote me and later use that as excuse to “reevaluate” Nutella to open up the mislynch pool.

Shooting Jay means I can’t mislynch Jay, have a much much harder time mislynching Epi and have a way higher chance to get lynched myself.

I would assume scum Nutella would have a similar thought process. I can’t imagine she’s scum here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:43 pm NKA is wifom bunk

@MacDougall

Still wifom bunk.

Best defence in the NFL don't even try me

Ahhhh those niners

Eh let's not be sanctimonious about this. Shit happens. Nobody intentionally went out of their way to upset anybody.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:37 pm If you're really mafia then this is disappointing. You could have subbed out if you can't play man.

Never disappointing. You played very well.

Well played Civilianos.

Fair enough. Thanks for not dragging it out Epi.

NKA is wifom bunk

Did you not notice Jay decide I was mafia?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:18 am The mafia is on epi wagon 100%. Mafia would have thought rej was town so it'd be one of the players who didn't suspect him (it goes without saying but other than me).

Given Jay went after him I think nutella/jack is a good deduction.

WiDeNiNg ThE pOe

He never pursued the case after I shot it the fuck down in my interactive ISO.

- I didn't read your things bro.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:08 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:52 pm You're wrong. I already solved the game. You're welcome.

Show me. Don't tell me. Show me.

In 2,500 word essays, because that's the only way to do it.

Yeah... sadly apparently Jay doesn't read posts if they are short.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:17 pm Also, the last time to my memory I posted an ISO review shredding the posts of a vastly civilian-read player was dunya in Steely Dan. People literally told me they weren't reading that, and go figure I was right. So please don't ignore my post just because it's big. Even if you think I'm wrong, and I could be, I need folks to talk about it. That's how we sort the game. Not by sitting in our own little isolated corners solving by ourselves.

Cooperate.

You're wrong. I already solved the game. You're welcome.

Oh it's night. I thought you were all voting there again.

Anyway. Lynch nutella and jack. Profit.

Epi is my top town read. Unvote him you cowards.

The mafia is on epi wagon 100%. Mafia would have thought rej was town so it'd be one of the players who didn't suspect him (it goes without saying but other than me).

Given Jay went after him I think nutella/jack is a good deduction.

Oh or sprityo

It's either Jay, Jack, Epi, Nutella, Dragomir, Long Con or Creature imo.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:04 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:27 pm I think Nutella is maybe the answer?

Reasons, please.

Lack of reasons to town read.

I think Nutella is maybe the answer?

Neither Epi or Dragomir are bad.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:08 pm I don't suspect Dragomir. You all are fooling yourselves. What does bad Dragomir have to gain from this? Come on.

Indeed. Thank you for pointing this out.

To be honest I have found most of your Rej engagements since this day began to be pretty awkward.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:13 pm Let's lynch Epi, if he flips town then we lynch Rej next DP does that sound like a good deal?

At this stage you were evidently happy to lynch Epi. That you also suspected Rej is known.

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:25 pm [VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:30 pm I'm not voting for Epi no more. There's a scum on that wagon.

And as soon as Rej put his vote on Epi then you're off him and back to Rej? I do not understand why Rej voting Epi should alter your perspective there. You already suspected him. Either he is town and agreeing with your ultimatum (which is my opinion) or he's a Mafia going along with your plan anyway, so you should be happy? The sudden reaction doesn't make sense.

Your pretext for agreeing to the Epi wagon and your vote there was so flimsy that Rej simply voting there caused you to move your vote. That means you were never serious about being okay with Epi being lynched in the first place. Therefore it makes that post scummy.

If there is only one Mafioso left then your "There's mafioso on this wagon" post doesn't really hold water imo.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:30 pm I'm not voting for Epi no more. There's a scum on that wagon.

Based on what?

How many mafia do you think there are left btw?

Sprityo please stop insulting me.

Nutella continues to be a non-presence btw.

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:27 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:24 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:21 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:01 am

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:55 pm If you consider this an excuse from my side, then the only way of me being the shooter would be one of the other 2 PRs possessing motion control/manipulative abilities (bus driver, redirector). I feel kinda nah about it.

Someone would have had to redirect your shot to Long Con, you mean?

As said it is just clever to shoot towncore if you ain't part of it. I don't consider myself as towncore, and Long Con ain't too.
So yes I would have shot someone else and someone would have redirected my shot. Or my original target was transported/busdriven.
So no, that is not how killer Rej works. Killer Rej takes out and confronts the danger, no matter who's behind the danger.

This is the absurdest shit I have ever heard, me shooting a sideliner as wolf.

So you did shoot someone, then?

No I am not scum bro

Can someone make that Rej's avatar tag?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:37 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:17 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:56 pm Rej knows damn well that I am town. Scum reading me this game does not add up with a town Rej.

No I don't know when I feel you go into a different or miscalculated direction.
Then yeah how about the idea of the wolf being in towncore? And you are part of the towncore.
So who could be the wolf? Between JJJ, Tony, Nutella, Mac for example.

Or who is supposed to be "towncore". I feel my and Creature activity is not enough to be considered towncore. Epignosis is to shady and way on his own to be counted as towncore.

I feel Creature is not rly profitting from the Long Con kill because of several reasons. It is way easier to kill towncore from his position and then throw shades at other towncore to generate a mislynch. Atleast it is what I would do if I were a wolf.

Outside of the towncore/wolf idea I feel that Epignosis is also not clear. So I get back to the standpoint I had earlier, of me trusting literally noone right now. And Creature can prove himself with no conditions if he is town.

It's Day 2, we have a dead mafioso, and you're building your entire theory of the game on WIFOM.

Yuck.

That post makes Rej my biggest town read.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:59 pm Let it be know I've done nothing to help the civilian cause today. Expect more of the same tomorrow.

We might as well just lynch you then as it will be no loss whatsoever.

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:29 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:24 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:04 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:52 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:20 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:12 pm I've witnessed mafia do stupid shit so many times that it fails to surprise me anymore.

Like what Rej is trying to pull off against me?

I think his line of thinking is reasonable. I'm gonna need you to take it seriously please.

Who's Rej?

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

you still have your vote on sprityo lol

Shhh don't tell him.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:04 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:52 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:20 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:12 pm I've witnessed mafia do stupid shit so many times that it fails to surprise me anymore.

Like what Rej is trying to pull off against me?

I think his line of thinking is reasonable. I'm gonna need you to take it seriously please.

Who's Rej?

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:03 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:50 pm Outright, I am going to try to get you lynched okay? I really can't say that it ever happens.

Who, me?

Live your best life boo.

No I was saying that I don't think that conversation happens in BTSC. It makes sense if you read the preceding post.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:20 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:12 pm I've witnessed mafia do stupid shit so many times that it fails to surprise me anymore.

Like what Rej is trying to pull off against me?

I think his line of thinking is reasonable. I'm gonna need you to take it seriously please.

Outright, I am going to try to get you lynched okay? I really can't say that it ever happens.

I honestly think bussing is rare. Distancing that turns into leaving your vote on your partner, sure. Not really the same thing because the intent is not to bus. Jumping on your partner's wagon because they're doomed... hmmm I usually prefer the wifom of being off wagon as opposed to attracting the attention of diving on late personally, but I haven't really any judgement on whether others do similar.

Sprityoooo

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:29 am We just got our balls together.

Yes daddy

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:07 am Too much blathering.

Get to the point

I want long con or creature lynched tomorrow

Any other option doesn’t seem nearly as viable

Like how no one thought tony was town, or almost no one.

Who are the opposition to thinking LC/Creature are town? Everyone else at least has some modicum of townness about them. It’s like a pseudo GTH

So rather than converse with each other we should just shut up and lynch the low poster and the no poster?

Sounds heaps fun.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:06 am We don't have to get over our suspicion of you. I don't care if it takes up thread space. Incorrect suspicions take up thread space all the time. We can still win the damn game. Go to sleep.

I understand you and empathise but I think you need to understand that Jay has to deal with things in his way and he does so all the time and expecting otherwise is folly.

Don't you find it odd that we are in a world where you scum read Epi and he town reads you?

It feels uncharted.

And if we are not, we lose as civilians. So be it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:58 am You are welcome to continue to gamesolve alongside replying to and dealing with fair suspicion. I do believe that is the fundamental essence of the game. Defend yourself from suspicion and make your own? No? Not sure why you needing to do so should stun you into absurd freak outs. Is it because you feel like you are beyond reproach?

I keep seeing that I am not doing things and it is driving me nuts.

I have gamesolved my ass off all night and I feel pretty good about where I sit. I have gamesolved so much that I genuinely don't know what more to gamesolve right now.

On the basis of Tony interactions, voting behavior, face value gut reads, and activity in this night phase I have a clear POE pool: Creature, Epignosis, sprityo, and Long Con. I would tend to order them accordingly, though sprityo and Long Con might as well be interchangeable. Everyone else I can provide a strong reason to read as a civilian.

I feel like I have solved the game. My ability to pursue alternatives is wrapped in theories about possible bussers -- it's all highly speculative, and my feeling is that Rej would be the best bet in that universe.

You are obviously doing things and I don't think anyone would say it's as simple as that you are not. I think you are being suspected a little more than usual because there are some idiosyncrasies to your approach this time, and everyone here is very used to heavy amounts of Jay ergo we have preconceived notions of what to expect from you that are not entirely being met. I will add that it's not fair for me to be as blunt in my appraisal as I was before. I do in fact know how you feel, very much so, it is a cross I also constantly bear. And yours is a complex emotional response that is natural for players like us when civilian. "Why are you scum reading me ffs I am so obviously town", when in fact it is very obvious to everyone else that you are not obviously town even though you probably are.

Of major concern, always, is that I'd go as far as to say that you probably replicate that very emotional response on purpose because you know that it gets people off your back, even when you are a civ, perhaps especially when you are a civ. I do it, so I am sure you also do it. Given that fact, it's impossible for me, and probably many others you play with consistently to ever really truly believe it.

All that aside, it is simply the fact that you are always within your Mafia range that has you perennially tinfoiled. It has been this way for years. I sympathise but it is always the case. It's like a midday move we've already seen so many times before. It's a routine process of the simulation. Jay gets tinfoiled. News at 11.

Truly, the only way prolific players like you and I ever convince other civilians to drop tinfoil is by virtue of destroying wolves (I belabour the plural) with what are CLEARLY our own cases. Which you haven't satisfied yet here obviously. This is the heart of why I warded people against lynching you yesterday. You solve yourself, the same way I do. If we are alive in the late game and we haven't wrecked wolves, we are usually wolves.

You are welcome to continue to gamesolve alongside replying to and dealing with fair suspicion. I do believe that is the fundamental essence of the game. Defend yourself from suspicion and make your own? No? Not sure why you needing to do so should stun you into absurd freak outs. Is it because you feel like you are beyond reproach?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:17 am Out of my POE pool (Creature, Epignosis, Long Con, and sprityo), who looks the most authentic at face value?

sprityo > Epignosis > [Long Con exists] > Creature

I'd say Creature looks the most authentic. That is to say authentic by Creature standards. Epignosis is the only one that I can say I have felt is acting out of character out of this list.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:06 am Okay Jimbob.

For Epignosis to be TSP's teammate you are relying on him being quite sloppy. Given I have literally never caught wolf Epi myself, that alone gives me pause though I don't want to outsmart myself. I will add that his ... agreeability over the past 30 to 60 minutes has caught me raising an eyebrow or two, so I am not without my own independent concerns.

I think in the context of the argument that TSP might have been tempted to distance Epi, the same applies to his brief dalliance with a vote on you. Though obviously it'd be quite weird for you to bring that up if it was in fact what you yourself was guilty of.

They are things that are worthy of consideration. They aren't dramatically moving me at this point.

I think you're too high on Creature.

Yeah I mean the little list I copied from you is giving me a false reading because of the context of it. He is most certainly in my POE.

Okay Jimbob.

For Epignosis to be TSP's teammate you are relying on him being quite sloppy. Given I have literally never caught wolf Epi myself, that alone gives me pause though I don't want to outsmart myself. I will add that his ... agreeability over the past 30 to 60 minutes has caught me raising an eyebrow or two, so I am not without my own independent concerns.

I think in the context of the argument that TSP might have been tempted to distance Epi, the same applies to his brief dalliance with a vote on you. Though obviously it'd be quite weird for you to bring that up if it was in fact what you yourself was guilty of.

They are things that are worthy of consideration. They aren't dramatically moving me at this point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:50 pm If it wasn't a busser:

Epignosis > Creature > sprityo > Long Con

If it was a busser:

Rej > MacDougall > Jack > nutella > Dragomir

That I can place you in both categories is an interesting observation.

If not one = Long Con > Sprityo > Jay > Creature > Epignosis

If is one = Nutella > Jay > Jack > rej > Dragomir

Seems the only thing we agree on is that Dragomir = town.