The Syndicate

This game is article 1 in how just being super solvy and having a go and being unafraid to push your reads can win town games on its own. The majority of the town players in this game made themselves just too hard for the mafia to reasonably push, too hard for most of the town to reasonably push and even if some of us scumread a town here or there or townread a wolf here or there, the wolves were just drowned by the town being too town.

Good job!

genny wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:59 pm [VOTE: mightyrunner7] aubergine

We tried.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:57 pm @santygrass sheep me or I'm gonna just vote you out.
Why do you care so much about genny?

I need to save my last WC teammate after destroying my whole team for the wifom.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:58 pm Gg I'm Genny's wolf teammate. I tried to save her but I couldn't do it.

@Dennis looks like it's just you and me now.

Gg I'm Genny's wolf teammate. I tried to save her but I couldn't do it.

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:52 pm [VOTE: Mightyrunner7] aubergine
I think this would have been interesting discussion an hour ago. A bit late now to move the wagons effectively I think

More than enough people here to have got it over tbh.

@santygrass sheep me or I'm gonna just vote you out.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:55 pm
mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:48 pm Two days in a row I've led counterwagons and the only person who bit twice was MR7.

Nate and Neon bit on the Seanzie one too. But MR7 bit both times.
I'm totally lost on how biting on counterwagons equal scummy. I was sitting on a vote that lost all traction, and decided to trust your analysis
I didn't analyse Seanzie yesterday though. I just totally yolo voted and stated no reason.
While also townreading me.

Yeah that too.

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:45 pm I'm ngl I haven't really been scumreading Santy lol.
I get it.

I remember this one time, I was traveling in the Andes with my grandmother.

When we woke in the morning, she was missing. I panicked.

I rushed down the slopes of the mountain. In a wild fury I couldn't even feel the branches of the trees in the cloud forest whipping against my skin. The moisture in the air mixing with my own sweat and blood. I was soaked.

When I reached the thick foiliage of the jungle below I saw my worst nightmare.

My grandmother.

On the ground in a heap.

Above her

A jaguar. Perched and ready for the coup de grace.

Like a madman I rushed the beast, but with a look, it halted me in my paces.

We stayed like that

Eye to eye, locked on the edge of eternity

I saw the secrets of the universe. The past. The future.

My own mortality and my own immortality swirling in the yellows and oranges of the creatures eyes.

Finally, I saw the answer.

The underlying truth, not only to this moment, but to my entire reality.

I had been experimenting with ayahuasca for the past week.

There was no jaguar.

There was no grandmother.

Just a shit ton of ayahuasca.

Was it like that?

Yes.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:54 pm I still think we kill genny here. Mighty has the insanty thingy and the vote on Falcon D2.

genny has none lf that, a non AI claim and just how people resisted so much to their yeet. Also their pop-in and lack of self-pres is hard for me to see as not wolfy IMO

Lol. Here we go.

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:48 pm Two days in a row I've led counterwagons and the only person who bit twice was MR7.

Nate and Neon bit on the Seanzie one too. But MR7 bit both times.
I'm totally lost on how biting on counterwagons equal scummy. I was sitting on a vote that lost all traction, and decided to trust your analysis

I didn't analyse Seanzie yesterday though. I just totally yolo voted and stated no reason.

I don't think Genny is likely mafia. Especially not WC. I don't think they'd even bother to come back and make a derpy claim if they were a wolf and had been run up as hard as they were.

I am sure that Santy will confbias me turning the wagons away from him now as outing for me somehow too.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:07 pm Day 3 Final Poll

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Day 3 Post Counts

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[VOTE: Mightyrunner7] aubergine

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:45 pm I'm ngl I haven't really been scumreading Santy lol.
Smh I was right all along

Nah I scumread you for a lot of it. Just not atm.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:48 pm Two days in a row I've led counterwagons and the only person who bit twice was MR7.

Nate and Neon bit on the Seanzie one too. But MR7 bit both times.
Miranda was also on Seanzie though?

Not based on the poll I just read.

Give me strength oh great Mafia gods.

Lol Mac is practically outed. My God.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:49 pm If I go over. My flip should tell you a little thing.

Mac is practically outed. Read my ISO, my reasons. How they tried to twist and extrapolate stuff to make me more wolfy. They should be 100% accountable for their actions and be yeeted/vigged

Seanzie I think is town, but is dependent that I think genny is scum and both me and them were wagons to protect genny. Look at the people on both myself and Seanzie wagons and be surprised tbh.

SAR I kinda think is probably wrong town? At least I feel like following her mind the most.

Miranda and Mighty progression dont make sense. Think Miranda is prob more wolfy than Mighty, but both deserve to be judged on this. Also have a lot of partner equity with Mac./genny

Sloonei is my blindspot. Rn I am like "wrf are they doing vlting me?" . GTH is some of my reads are wrong they are wolf. If they arent, then they prob town

You are suuuuch a nerd.

Two days in a row I've led counterwagons and the only person who bit twice was MR7.

Nate and Neon bit on the Seanzie one too. But MR7 bit both times.

So basically I want to kill MR7.

I have a pretty foolproof plan here.

I'm ngl I haven't really been scumreading Santy lol.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:40 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:39 pm I kinda want to elim MR7.
Explain why.
They made a comment earlier that was like "We need to either kill one of Genny/Sean or make them talk more".

I am definitely not the one with the most AI content in the game, but today I feel like I've given more than enough for people to at least get a handle on me, and they don't seem to recognize/acknowledge that (or care to - which is what I'm worried about). Then here they pivot to Santy now that I'm no longer a wagon but Genny still is, and all Genny did was give a meh non-AI claim.

If Genny's alignment was town would anything about this read change for you?

6-5 is likely not t/t. Feels like non town would be throwing votes outside the dichotomy if it was.

Might even be both factions run up tbh.

@santygrass which of your voters are the most egregious in order.

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:40 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:38 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:37 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:35 pm Is only Mac here or what?
I'm still here but I'm staying out of... Whatever the two of you have going. Just waiting to see if the genny wagon is going to have any movement
Movement in what direction?

You want me yeeted the most rn?
I don't think genny is a hit

Why do you think that?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:39 pm I kinda want to elim MR7.

Explain why.

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:39 pm This seems more informative than a genny flip (especially after the role reveal), and I do appreciate Mac's linkage with Falcon:

[VOTE: Santygrass] aubergine

Lol.

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:37 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:35 pm Is only Mac here or what?
I'm still here but I'm staying out of... Whatever the two of you have going. Just waiting to see if the genny wagon is going to have any movement

Ask Santy why I'm mafia.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:36 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:35 pmZzz
Ah yes I love the way you respond to suspicion by explaining calmly and rationally how it's wrong. I should be more like you.
Agreed

Ohohohoho ur so funneh

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:36 pm Zenge clearly stated that he was townreading how I approached them, the same thing you seem to scumread.

But you do you Mac, keep on if that makes you happy

Okay correction, most.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:35 pmZzz

Ah yes I love the way you respond to suspicion by explaining calmly and rationally how it's wrong. I should be more like you.

All dead town: Santy is wolf.

Mac: I don't like engaging with you because you confbias my every move as wolfy despite me playing very well and leading a town stomp.
Santy: Wolfreads me for that.

Santy: Scumreads Mac for being dismissive of Santy's wolfread on Mac and not politely engaging with him
Mac: So you're scumreading me because I dunked on you too hard? I do that as town all the time. Just ask Seanzie who I did that to in the last game.
Santy: "I've said it 10 times go read my ISO."
Mac: Does. It just says what I thought it said. Dunks on Santy.
Santy: Now sus of Mac for that too.

Santy: Protected Falcon by lying about the strength of other people's townreads. Begged Zenge to stop pushing Falcon.
Mac: Highlights this. Suspects this.
Santy: You should know this makes me town.

Santy: I get better reads from interacting with people.
Santy: I'll stop interacting with you.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:47 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:43 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:39 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:34 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:31 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:29 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:27 am Its 2:30 AM I am not sitting down. I am already laying down in bed.

I hope @supershorty is also in bed. If not, go to bed shorty
Just stop being so overreactive and shirty. It's a nerdy game of mafia played on forum tech from the turn of the millennium.
That was not me being overreactive. That was me doing a joke calm down.

I'm in zen mode rn. Maybe difficult to read town, but think lf me saying things like 'Snap your neck' in the mlst natural and chill way hmmyes
You are a lamist omgusser.

I cycle through my reads up and down all game.

You started flipping your lid on me cuz I took you out of my towncore. I didn't even scumread you.

I'm going to do that in every town game I ever play. I've slipped everyone in and out of tiers all game. It's my process to do it and it functions well. Watching how people react to how I read them is an important part of my solving process.

What you seem to think is wolfy doesn't apply to me.

Ner ner ner ner ner.
If I think your proccess on making a read I dont care if its a scumread, removing of towncore or even townreading someone.
The proccess / approach or logic behind it felt fake. I still kinda think that but have it with a lot less wight that I had before. At the very least I think its not omgus, its the part in where you trying to dismiss it and step on my read instead of trying to find why I was doing that or seeing eye to eye with me.

And I have see you be town before so its not even like I dont know your proccess or form of forming reads
So your suspicion boils down to ... I was mean and belittled you instead of hashing it out?

All I can say is you don't know me very well then.

I have explaine more than ten times why I scumread you Mac , go and read my ISO if you forgot. Here I say why the things you are using as NAI for you, I say they dont help me at all ti get a townread on you.

I get better reads at people interacting with them . You are making it very difficult to engage with you , so my read on you isn't probably going to change that way, its what I a saying.

Please try and persuade me that this was a genuine request.
Now Imma sleep gn

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:23 pm "Go and read why I sus you"
*Makes an ISO calling them wolfy without addressing any of my reasons*

Those are just facts Mac. Me flipping town here should be the wake-up call that you just decided to push me as a misyeet and blatantly ignored me and tried to reason with me .

Its not hyperbolic lol. I even ignored all your casing to avoid making it worse

Ah yes keep trying to imply that request was genuine and not just a histrionic outburst. Go on.

Like even now you're belabouring that you "asked me to read all the reasons you scumread me" As if you didn't just say that at the time as a sarcastic barb moreso than a genuine request. Your game has been nothing but that. Your iso is a daisy chain of bullshit.

I'm sick of debating with you Santy. Everything I say you retort with hyperbole and nonsense.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:10 pm If y'all flip me, when you see I was town. 100% want to people to stop tring Mac.

All the 'wolfy and paired with falcon' is pure bs that Mac should know its not wolfy at all from me and isnt just them having a read wrong. Remember they said to ISO me to look at why I sussed them and avoided all of those posts.

I pulled quotes and explained it well. Your rebuttal is to call it pure bs and tell me I should know it's not wolfy. Kindly fuck off Santy.

Would much rather chop Santy than Genny after my iso dive that literally nobody bothered to read which shows he is blatantly partnered with Falcon.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:17 pm I told Mac to look into My ISO why I sussed them.
They ISO'd me and decided to not bring up any of those post.

And then I should believe that you are trying to see eye to eye with me here?

I have decided I don't want to see eye to eye with you after reading your ISO. You're an obvious wolf to me.

@Sloonei it is absolutely high time I see some interactive analyses from you. You refused the other day because it was late but you still haven't done any interactives with any of our 3 dead mafia.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:02 am Zenge, I think that anyone just blindly following you on hyperfocused mode while ignoring all the more likely to be correct townreads from people that know falcon more are more likely to be wolves. Like, I think that shows a lack lf nuance and them goimg for an easy vote qithout questioning much, just 'following zenge' is a good enough excuse.

Even if falcon is a wolf (unlikely) , I think you also have a Wolf voting with you tbh

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:03 am I think that

Marmot/Creature / one in Mighty-SAR-PSV

Is my worldview rn. Maybe add Dennis there or not. Problem for the future me

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:03 am And like, if falcon is a wolf we cant blame the L on the Syndicates Skill Issue.

Win-Win

There is so much TMI in this post.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:56 am
Zenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:33 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:31 am
Zenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:28 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:21 am Like, Sar voting with you not because they read Falcon a particular way, just that you will get 'untunneled' its just such a lazy and bad reason to vote someone. Its bogus.

You shouldn't be causing that sort of excuses in wolves or mindset in town. Its super unproductive
The way you phrased it isn’t the best but I actually disagree.

There is merit to the argument that even if I’m wrong, because so many people have weighed in and talked a decent amount about this that a Falcon flip would give a lot of information on other players. If I’m right though, then that’s still true, and it’s even better.
I disagree with all my heart to the secnd argument. There is 0 merit there, where you should just reassess.

Doing the sheep thing, then they are just being allowing to your tunnel which is bad so /shrug
Again Santy. I have reassessed. Falcon still comes up wolf. Every. Single. Time.
I think you are missing my point.

Again.

I am not saying that you should villa-read Falcon now. I am telling you to reassess and look farther. You are having only worldview consisten and being 100% reliable on falcon being a wolf.

If I tell you I have the mech equivalent on falcon being Villa, what would you do? Deflate and do nothing? Because it seems like that ln you focusing only on that

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:56 am And you can take that as me FPSing or breadcumbing if you will :curtain:

Wtff

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:44 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Let"s help marmot bus

"I'm bussing but I'm projecting what I am doing onto Marmot."

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:54 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:56 am
Zenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:33 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:31 am
Zenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:28 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:21 am Like, Sar voting with you not because they read Falcon a particular way, just that you will get 'untunneled' its just such a lazy and bad reason to vote someone. Its bogus.

You shouldn't be causing that sort of excuses in wolves or mindset in town. Its super unproductive
The way you phrased it isn’t the best but I actually disagree.

There is merit to the argument that even if I’m wrong, because so many people have weighed in and talked a decent amount about this that a Falcon flip would give a lot of information on other players. If I’m right though, then that’s still true, and it’s even better.
I disagree with all my heart to the secnd argument. There is 0 merit there, where you should just reassess.

Doing the sheep thing, then they are just being allowing to your tunnel which is bad so /shrug
Again Santy. I have reassessed. Falcon still comes up wolf. Every. Single. Time.
I think you are missing my point.

Again.

I am not saying that you should villa-read Falcon now. I am telling you to reassess and look farther. You are having only worldview consisten and being 100% reliable on falcon being a wolf.

If I tell you I have the mech equivalent on falcon being Villa, what would you do? Deflate and do nothing? Because it seems like that ln you focusing only on that

@Zenge I want you to answer me the last question

This is egregious I mean cmon.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:30 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:32 am I'm sorry but I remember the first time I played with falcon I also sussed them, took the insight of some Syndicate people that were kinda in the middle and just went into 'sure falcon is mafia' mindset ignoring other people calling them town and never really got out of there. Falcon was town there.
I think seeing the falcon wagon as PURE SDN and the peole from the same site that know him more calling them town should be a huge signal of that wagon being bad.
I know Zenge is tunneled . But I hope this is a wake-up call if you are town

@SARdoghandler @potentialsheltervet @mightyrunner7

This is where his Falcon interactions get reeeally dicey. Like reeeally dicey. Don't ya think lol.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:23 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Naked vote on Creature.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:25 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:52 pm Well, my Scotty suspicions were totally off. Maybe I should've just sheeped Zenge.
I do think AM dying could be taken as a knock against Santy since historically she reads him well and he's been worried about her after they wolfed together but I'd prefer not to vote him until he at least returns to the thread and I can challenge him proper.
For now, [VOTE: FALCON] aubergine

This is a HUGE , BLATANT lie that I am taking issue because it doesnt make any sense and you here believing that like what ???

I never in any game expressed concern about AM lol

Gets wildly defensive at PSV for suggesting Santy might have killed AM, which like, let's be honest he did in fact do.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:34 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:39 pm the more creature does nothing the more i'm concerned
And I think they are doing the laziest push ever.

Like, I skipped all of the day 1, and Creature doesnt bring me the vibes of commenting on any of what happened or re-evaling. Just picking a basic hurr durr EoD argument from someone who was not caught up= bad and that's it.

I think I was based on my EoD read and going to park my vote there

Funny post given who he is replying to. Seems like the mafia team kicked off day 2 bussing him doesn't it. The real question one must ask is ... why would Creature, who was blatantly going to belly up on day 2, even bother to sus Santy if not for antispew reasons? It's pretty clear that the wolf team were going to go after him straight away given what dya said here, so ... why would Creature just be like "here's a limp suspicion of Santygrass to mildly spew him town".

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:46 pm @MacDougall if you think Falcon is a wolf and want to yeet there, lmk cuz then I would probably follow you hmmyes

Pings me to pocket me and get permission to vote Falcon but...

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:08 pm

Town : Neon, Zenge , Sloonei

Lean town : Psv , Dyachei

Wolf : Skill Issue

Interesting reads.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:19 pm Half baked readlist

Town : Neon, Sloonei, Mac, Zenge
Townlean : Lawpy, SVS , Seanzie , Falcon
Null : Mighty , Mayo, Wilg, Nate , Miranda, genny
Scumlean : SAR , Dennis , Creature

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:29 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:19 pm Half baked readlist

Town : Neon, Sloonei, Mac, Zenge
Townlean : Lawpy, SVS , Seanzie , Falcon
Null : Mighty , Mayo, Wilg, Nate , Miranda, genny
Scumlean : SAR , Dennis , Creature
Quite interested in your bolded reads.
Neon is a viberead more than anything.
Seanzie is for their SoD1 , remember them clashing with AM early with a more likely villa PoV in my mind.
SvS i should go an reread some post because I remember being villa-pinged by some post but didn't retain any specifics in my brain.

From what I got from thread,i AM heavily sussed them . And most important I see like them with a above average postcount, but get the feeling that they say nothing.

But tbh my scumreads have very little weight. If anything I think my villareads are much more sheepable and likely to be correct

The SVS bit here is really weird and doesn't make sense. Like, he threw SVS in a townlean, but then when asked to elaborate backtracks wildly.

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