The Syndicate

Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I was going to use my role to attract your power onto myself so that you were forced to unknowingly seduce me. Then I was going to intentionally vote follow you and use you as a human shield.
I couldn't have seduced you, I don't think. You and I were both from RYM, so it would have failed.

It would have worked. We clarified. You just weren't able to target RYMers.

I was going to use my role to attract your power onto myself so that you were forced to unknowingly seduce me. Then I was going to intentionally vote follow you and use you as a human shield.

Golden I had the most devilish evil scheme ready for you but Diiny ruined it.

I am going to make a loser banner if any of our scum team want it. I deserve it.

Yep Jimmy I think the idea that there are no scumslips is wrong.

Russ and Wilgy bussed teammates and nearly survived to win. Wilgos not getting killed by diiny would have made the next poll interesting with all the dumb votenanigans happening.

I made more than one scumslip in this game too. I always make scumslips.

Then I don't get it.

I get it. It's mean lol.

Ricochet wrote:I voted for Floyd as town MVP, just so you know.

Mean.

Ricochet wrote:How close are we to MVP reveals? I think I really need to go to bed, I incidentally have my first Accompaniment classes tomorrow at the Faculty, so I'd better not get fired from day 1.

Also, I'm still waiting...

Ricochet wrote:Did anyone, civ or mafia alike, in-game or dead-chat alike, figure me out as Literal Retard Cop during the game? I never hesitated after getting the reads, every time. Not one bit.

Can someone give me an answer, before I reach another 1K in post-game posts?
I still think it would have been really nice for the Spectators Chat to be a thread, so we can see what everyone went through on the side of the dead and how much nobody liked or rooted for me (except FZ ).

I big upped the shit out of you. I would vote for you. I can't vote for James because obvious reasons haha.

I found it amusing how Syndicate civs vociferously defended LC and them RYM civs did the same for me aside from Strawhenge who by golly I thought I could convince. Black Rock was ready to vote to save me literally asked in BTSC and I got called into a meeting 10 minutes before deadline and came back minutes after it haha. Wilgy convinced her not to bcuz plans or something.

DrWilgy wrote:So... I know I didn't post much as well... but the amount of brain power this gamed used was too much for me... I may just end up being a doctor for the next 1 or 2 games while it's on cool down... so... ლ(́◉◞౪◟◉‵ლ)

<3 you Russ and team! Hopefully we can be a team together soon! I wonder where Bcornett is... I kinda feel bad for offing him the way I did...

Rico, did you really not know about rocks that I had given y'all? or did you not get rocks? I played so hard around rocks, but that play didn't even work!!! ლ(́◉◞౪◟◉‵ლ)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:My poor heart.

Thanks for modding. Congrats civs.
My read on you is perhaps the most wrong I've ever been about anything. You got me good this time, MacAttack.

I kind of played my entire game to trick you but it backfired because civ Mac meta is general scum meta haha.

Ugh Rico had role knowledge of me? Well that is the pits.

My poor heart.

Thanks for modding. Congrats civs.

Do you snore Rico. That is a symptom of sleep apnea. You get the worst apnea attacks during your last couple of hours of deep sleep. The longer you sleep the more oxygen deprived your body gets. Go get a sleep test done. Sleep apnea is fucked. I use cpap and it changed my life.

I am dead and shouldn't post anything that isn't strictly off-topic.

You're all fuggin bullys and shit man.

Ciao. Was a blast.

And I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those pesky kids.

Youuuu dirty rat.

Oh well. Let's hope there is vote rigging shenanigans at play again.

Damn it Strawhenge. You could have been my hero.

Oh.

I got lynched.

So, you don't want to make a decision. Let chance decide.

Strawhenge wrote:I'm not putting my vote 'nowhere.' I'm putting my vote on the person who I get the strongest scum read from.

Okay, I'll rate you two.

Diiny ★★
Mac ★★½

Diiny doesn't look good, and you look okay. Your focus on the SK certainly makes you look scummy. But not as scummy as Marsh. I don't see the problem here. Are you looking for me to save you from the lynch by voting for Diiny?

Yes.

Epignosis wrote:
MacDougall wrote: I found out you were the serial killer
Now

MacDougall wrote:And you riding that reason like a crutch makes me even more sure.

I think it's more likely, by sheer weight of numbers, that the SK intentionally failed to send in their kill. There are only 1, or 2 at most posters that I could see having forgotten to or not bothered from apathy. If the SK is any one of the remainder of the game then it was intentional and the only person who had any reason to withhold their kill would have been you and it was exactly so you could defend yourself this way.
Come on people. How would he find out I was the serial killer if I intentionally failed to send in my kill?

How does that make me scum?

My conviction in you being the serial killer is based on in thread evidence I presented a long time ago.

What occurred last night is not what I initially interpreted it as, so my rationalisation of how you being the serial killer and the result has changed when I came to terms with the fact that I was incorrect. I still believe you are the serial killer despite this. "I'd never forget to send in a PM" is no defence to the evidence I had already presented, nor is the unlikeliness of the recent case I presented against you an indictment of the initial evidence.

linki: Strawhenge, it's not a good look for you to just put your vote nowhere. You must have an opinion on Diiny and myself. And if you don't, you most certainly have time to come up with one.

Is the day over?

linki; Strawhenge the day is about to end with your vote on a player with one vote. You are throwing it away. Put it where it counts.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:linki: I think that it makes more sense that the counterwagons that were being created to disrupt a day 2 lynch would be influenced by the scum to try to save him. As Epi has pointed out, everyone who was on the LC lynch aside from him is dead and they were all town. It stands to reason that the 7 scum votes that were there at the time were being used to try to prevent him being lynched and the townies not on that wagon were likely just being led astray.
Epi's post referred to the bcornett wagon as being full of townies, not the LC wagon. How does this affect your perspective?

Really? I thought he said that the LC wagon was full of deceased townies...

Not sure man. Your game post was just asking for gun to head. I thought after that lynch it made Llama less likely to be scum than I thought beforehand. It was day 2 and the cases were day 2 cases so my vote being on him on day 2 is of little consequence in and of itself. The fact that my vote wasn't on LC is regrettable in hindsight because it's being used to bury me. I wasn't actually any more convinced on LC at the time, I was just throwing stuff out there like I always do early game.

To say I basked in his lynch to whomever said that, aside from me making a valid point that those who were putting stock in meta were being foolhardy as the flip suggested, was a lie. I don't recall actually trying to claim his lynch as my work. It was all Jimmy's work.

I also see the irony in the RYMers largely flocking to my defence with meta based cases.

I would lynch me too.

I think with the Russ vote there's not much point trying to save me motel room, though I appreciate the effort.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Russtifinko wrote: Linki: And now Mac is coming at Epi with the most ridiculous theory of the game (and that is saying something). He intentionally missed a PM because he knew he'd be blocked? Silly.
*assumed he would be watched, tracked, blocked, or otherwise prevented.
Pretend scenario:

Matt F is accusing MacDougall of intentionally skipping the SK kill because you anticipated being targeted by preventive/investigative roles.

Simulate your reaction.
"Are you fucking serious MattF, holy shit you come up with some stupid shit but this one takes the cake."
Agreed.

Are you suggesting then that the argument isn't as weak as it would look to you if it were being used against you?

I would say that whether I was town or whether Matt was right. It's a far fetched theory that'd be very easy to dismiss on face value.

linki: I think that it makes more sense that the counterwagons that were being created to disrupt a day 2 lynch would be influenced by the scum to try to save him. As Epi has pointed out, everyone who was on the LC lynch aside from him is dead and they were all town. It stands to reason that the 7 scum votes that were there at the time were being used to try to prevent him being lynched and the townies not on that wagon were likely just being led astray.

linki: I'm certain Jimmy is not scum. He's had too many genuine interactions with too many players. Has too many in game posts with not a single scummy look to me. Very small possibility that he's the serial killer, because his being alive still is about the only mark against him.

Russtifinko wrote:Well, I've convinced myself (with some help from Mac's behavior)....Mac

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Russtifinko wrote: Linki: And now Mac is coming at Epi with the most ridiculous theory of the game (and that is saying something). He intentionally missed a PM because he knew he'd be blocked? Silly.
*assumed he would be watched, tracked, blocked, or otherwise prevented.
Pretend scenario:

Matt F is accusing MacDougall of intentionally skipping the SK kill because you anticipated being targeted by preventive/investigative roles.

Simulate your reaction.

"Are you fucking serious MattF, holy shit you come up with some stupid shit but this one takes the cake."

Russtifinko wrote: Linki: And now Mac is coming at Epi with the most ridiculous theory of the game (and that is saying something). He intentionally missed a PM because he knew he'd be blocked? Silly.

*assumed he would be watched, tracked, blocked, or otherwise prevented.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:linki: How is it ridiculous? It's a game with huge amounts of roles, inventions and a literal town roleblocker. Doing that would have been a very easy way to "prove" it wasn't him by doing exactly what he's doing. If I was a roleblocker, I would have targeted you for obvious reasons. I assume many would have.
I don't know how you're even typing this with a straight face, honestly.

You're asking me to believe that Epi anticipated being roleblocked and then skipped his own kill because he knew the host post would reflect a non-attempt which he could then use to defend himself.

I don't think any human being on Earth has this idea and then puts it in motion.

I am asking you to consider the possibility, that Epignosis has chosen not to send in a night kill on a night following there being a serious case made against him being the serial killer to avoid being found out to some degree. I fail to see how this is such a strange thing for you to consider. Especially when he is now using "I never forget PMs" like that's a reason, when he could just as easily have literally PMd the mods with a choice not to kill.

linki: You really should check again, llama had shitloads of votes on him at the time. At one point he was definitely a lynch contender.

Espers agrees;

espers wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Rbzmncaeaei wrote:I would say that analysis makes espers look significantly worse.
If you mean his vote, I agree. Assuming I'm right about Russ, and the mafia went with what I think they did, then another mafia member would spread his vote elsewhere. He voted llama after LC voted bcornett, and either way, that's a cop out vote.

linki: Will reply after
i don't agree with this assessment. the tally was tied at 5 each for bcorn, lc and llama when i left, he felt like a legit contender.

Point at a player who would have "accidentally" missed a PM to send in a fucking rogue night role?

I reckon even Floyd would have done it if he were the SK. It's a role that you get involved and excited in. I would be extremely surprised if it wasn't an intentional move.

linki: Jimmy, you will see that I explained that after Long Con got lynched.

MacDougall wrote:As much as I hate going back on a read Llama and Long Con were there to be lynched and a scum got lynched. Unless we had two scum players on the grill then I'm flipping the script and I have Llama as hugely trusted megatown. If this were an old school RYM game I would role reveal to you and tell you all the stuff I'd learned from BTSC communications.

linki: Metalmarsh, if he sent in a PM saying he wouldn't kill, how does that explain anything? Who said that it was a definite missed PM?

linki: Well Jimmy, we shall see. I absolutely do believe it.

Two possibilities in my mind.

1. Intentionally withheld - Certain to be you
2. Roleblocks cause a different outcome than protection and MP has not addressed this question and I believe quite intentionally so. - Certain to be you

I am absolutely certain you are the serial killer. It's okay, we'll find out at the end regardless. Sounds to me like townies are happy to keep you around anyway.

linki: How is it ridiculous? It's a game with huge amounts of roles, inventions and a literal town roleblocker. Doing that would have been a very easy way to "prove" it wasn't him by doing exactly what he's doing. If I was a roleblocker, I would have targeted you for obvious reasons. I assume many would have.

And you riding that reason like a crutch makes me even more sure.

I think it's more likely, by sheer weight of numbers, that the SK intentionally failed to send in their kill. There are only 1, or 2 at most posters that I could see having forgotten to or not bothered from apathy. If the SK is any one of the remainder of the game then it was intentional and the only person who had any reason to withhold their kill would have been you and it was exactly so you could defend yourself this way.

Epignosis wrote:And since I brought it up earlier:

To anyone here who has hosted me, do I miss PMs?

You did this on purpose imo. You would have assumed a roleblocker was targeting you that night after there was a serious discussion about your viability as the SK and then chose not to send in your kill to throw us off.

Russtifinko wrote:Wow, votes are moving around. Hmmm.

I'd still slightly prefer a BR vote, but I'm also less convinced than before that JJJ is right about Mac.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I imagine the mafia team views Mac as easily lynchable. Might have even drugged him.

I think some people are suspicious of him because of his [deliberately] volatile behavior, and are morphing the evidence to convince themselves it's more than a gut read.

I think other people are probably capitalizing on his style. Maybe Epi, since he seems to be interested in a contest of testicle mass as much as pursuing an actual case.
JJJ, you're partly correct. I'm suspicious because of his behavior, but not because of what He's been doing the past two D/N cycles. He was playing completely normal (compared to other players - not his meta, which I know nothing about) until the end of D4, at which point he said a number of things (will pull upon request) that read extremely scummy to me. Basically any of his posts at that time seem awful to me, so pick a few to read. I came after him, and he's been chaos posting since. It's not the chaos posting that gets me, it's the D4 posts and then the sudden style change when I brought it up.

You saying he always plays like this has been staying my hand on it, because I don't see any reason whatsoever for you to play how you have as a baddie. I'd really appreciate it if you could reread his stuff specifically at the end of that Day and let me know, isolated from the rest of his content, what you thoughts are on it.

I'm going to need you to show me these supposed posts that read extremely scummy to you. Basically any of my posts seems like a massive cop out and an extremely weak attempt at getting my lynch wagon back on track.

I don't even recall you coming after me. You have been the least of my concerns, so if you are trying to connect that you coming after me lead to me "chaos posting" I'd love to see your rationale there, because I don't even remember the post you came after me in.

My "sudden style change" coincided with me realising that I was going to get night killed if I didn't start acting like a crazy person and drawing attention to myself in the thread.

Epignosis wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have a very clear understanding in my head of why Ricochet wants to lynch Mac.

I have a decent understanding of why Matt F wants to lynch Mac.

I have a decent understanding of why DrWilgy wants to lynch Mac.

I don't know much about why Metalmarsh wants to lynch Mac.

I don't know much about why Epignosis wants to lynch Mac.

I don't know much about why Elohcin wants to lynch Mac.
I've told you why twice now. You made a rebuttal, but I don't agree with your points.

Add to it that he knows I'm the serial killer and I can't have him around.

motel room wrote:"
Epignosis wrote:
motel room wrote:
Epignosis wrote:"There's no alternate bandwagon, so Mac must be good. Let's make an alternate bandwagon"

Is this at someone? Is this suspicion?
It's what just happened.
, said Epignosis in the thread that contained the mafia game being played.", said motel room, implying that commentary is more arms-length distancing shit but whatever.

motel room asks epi a question that he sarcastically replies to and then motel room is starting to see just how not town epi really is itt right now.

Epignosis wrote:
motel room wrote:
Epignosis wrote:"There's no alternate bandwagon, so Mac must be good. Let's make an alternate bandwagon"

Is this at someone? Is this suspicion?
It's what just happened.

Hey killer. What's your beef with me? You've barely outlined a case on me. You've just silently attached yourself to my wagon since I pointed out that you are the serial killer. Yeah granted you said you had doubts about me and suspicions etc. before I found out you were the serial killer, but you've not formulated much thought on me aside from blatant absolute OMGUS. Things like;

"You little shit, I want your head." in reply to a taunt.

And. "Really bad." When I asked how it felt to miss your kill.

Your vote is meaningless, worthless and anybody on the same wagon as you is playing into your rogue agenda.

Diiny

Epi don't steal my lines without giving me credit.

motel room wrote:Diiny

No Wilgy.

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