The Syndicate

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:50 pm ima vote epignosis whenever and i'd like someone to tell me why that is

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:10 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:49 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:26 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:25 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:24 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am Hey Jack quick question, about how does accusing someone of being one of the Good Boyz poke them?

Can I answer?

I wanna hear from Jack :0

Then I won't answer.

What do you think about Quin?

I think Quin's throwing sticks early on which is generally a sign of good boy behavior.

I thought I was throwing sticks in Pirate Mafia too, but I was your biggest scum read. What's the difference?

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:50 pm I was hoping @Elohcin would use this night phase to catch up and give out some of those reads she didn't have time for.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:35 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:35 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:34 am come on LC (or kyle or quin or wilgy) join usss

I don't know the 3J case. I would rather CFD Eloh if my vote is to move.

Elohcin

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Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:56 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:26 pm where my head is at right now:

good
dunya
Dragon D. Luffy
Epignosis
Long Con
nutella
sig
Sloonei
JaggedJimmyJay

leaning good
insertnamehere
colonialbob (I still need to iso Bob, but he's been spontaneous and townie-minded the last few days)
Kylemii

leaning bad
Jackofhearts2005 ( I need to reevaluate Jack after his passion-filled eod 3 defence, but I think I'm leaning good on him at this point)
malakim2099 (sorry don't hate me, I need more content from you, try to post as you read, even if it's things from day 1...that's what I did, it's very enlightening and can help us form a better read of you, and you a better read on us)
Quin / speedchuck (1 of them, not both...leaning more scummy on speedchuck this last night phase, I'm getting a bit of dejavu from our last game together in tone, but I haven't isod either quin or speed yet so I'll get to that)

bad
Elohcin
DrWilgy

Why only one of me and speedchuck? Why are you town reading sig?

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just quoting this cos I'm amazing and called Eloh and DrWilgy bad after the JJJ lynch

I'm going to stop there, cos I think Quin is Town. I don't need more convincing.

anyway, I'd like to point out a new reason why I think Long Con is town:

Long Con
5
29%
Voters: Elohcin, colonialbob, nutella, Sloonei, Kylemii

nutella
6
35%
Voters: sprityo, speedchuck, Jackofhearts2005, Long Con, Quin, Dragon D. Luffy

That was ^ Day 1 results.

Jay and Wilgy didn't vote, but Eloh was on Long Con. I seriously doubt she'd try to lynch her team mate on day 1. This does make me feel a little worse about nutella again...but I might be tinfoiling here.

But I think Long Con is town (for other reasons too, but that one there is the main reason).

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:32 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:29 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:02 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:57 pm I would lie about that... the 'W' Wilgy thing, I mean. I would consider myself quite clever to try such a a thing if I thought of it.

I remember a game where you did something like that. What was it?

My memory of past games is hazy, it could be any game where I'm bad.

Ah. Page one of Blue Velvet mafia. You evil bastard.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:57 pm I would lie about that... the 'W' Wilgy thing, I mean. I would consider myself quite clever to try such a a thing if I thought of it.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:51 am I'ma kick today off with a rainbow, avoiding yellows to the best of my ability. with lots of yellows given the two replacements and extreme low posters. I hope to find a better place for them today.
Kylemii
Long Con
nutella
speedchuck
Spacedaisy
colonialbob
Dom
DrWilgy
JaggedJimmyJay
insertnamehere
sig
sprityo
Mesk514
Jackofhearts2005
Elohcin
Dragon D. Luffy
Sloonei
Epignosis

I will take questions. Unless your question is "Why do you have every read you have", in which case, suck a brick.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:22 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:34 pm

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:26 pm I hate this argument about ties.

One of Kyle and Jack is bad.

Calling it now.

I appreciate that this read exists, but I don't know what motivates it. Tell me more about the argument about ties and why you hate it and why that reflects this way on Kyle/Jack. This is a serious request, I am not entirely clearly on that argument myself yet.

K.

There was on NF game a while ago where I found a baddie on Day 2 like this: she spent 10 (20ppp) pages on Day 1 going back and forth with a civ. The civ in questions is one of the worst players to ever appear on the internet. He was arguing something bogus like his right of not scumhunting on day 1 because day 1 is always useless. People lynched him for it. I instead went after her, because I noticed she was taking advantage of him to look like she was contributing when she wasn't. I got night killed, but then on day 2 people followed the case on her and she flipped bad.

I thought I saw the same pattern on Kyle vs Jack. Kyle argued some sub-optimal strategy (tieing votes) and Jack decided to argue with him for a long time about it. Or maybe Kyle posted it, Jack took the bait, and Kyle took the advantage to spend a long time arguing about it. Either way, the point is: if I see two players arguing for a long time about something not related to scumhunting, I will suspect at least one of them is wasting everyone's time on purpose. Hence my point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:34 pm

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:34 pm sloonei
nutella
LC

There, just looked at the thread and listed the people.

Now imma go back to catch up.

This was in response to a prod by Sloonei to expand on his grievance with the Epignosis voters I mentioned earlier. The addition of names is good, but it's unclear what the reader should be doing with them. It's typically not such a chore to get this sort of content from DDL given that he thrives on pressure as a civilian.

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More puke later.

Ok, time out. I'm not letting you do this shit again.

We played one game in 2015 (Economics Mafia) where you formed an opinion of me (a rather positive one it seems, which makes me happy). But since then it seems you have holding every game I play to that standard.

In 2016, you came in as a replacement in Turf Wars. You read my posts, decided I was not playing identically to Economics Mafia, and led a succesfuls lynch on me. I had gone through a very long and arduous proccess of making people think I was a civ that took multiple phases, and you came and destroyed everything in less than 24 hours, by making people give in to their old doubts and suspicions. I flipped civ. Also since then I have been banning people from replacing late in games I host because I hate when that kind of thing happens.

I'm not mad at you for it (that game was a barrel of emotions for me which I've long overcome anyway), but I'm seeing you do that again and I'm telling you that it won't work. My playstyle has gone through a lot of changes since I joined this site. Mainly because I have the worst W/L ratio of any regular in Mafia Syndicate, which has forced me to make changes. I may or may not necessarily rely on pressure. I may or may not necessarily follow up on old suspicions, and I now avoid tunneling on people like my life depends on it. I change my playstyle every game. In fact, as I said early, I'm trying to change it a little in this very game.

As for this game, you and other people are questioning that post, so here is the thing. I commented on what I thought was a general push by mafia on a civ, so I decided I wanted to throw a wrench on it. I did not form detailed reads on all the people doing it, as that wasn't my intention and I didn't think I had the ability to do that (this is a hallmark of my newer playstyle btw. I work under the assumption that my sumchunting skills are horseshit and doubt myself all the time).

There have been hundreds of posts after the fact. Collectively, they weigh way more than it. I don't want to stick to it forever. Sloonei has posted things that made me feel better about him. Nutella posted things that made me feel worse, and later got physical indication of being a civ (the tie stuff) that now makes me not want to vote for her anymore. LC posted things that made him look both better or worse at times. That early Day 1 evidence has long been archived in my scumhunting process, and you guys are wanting me to give importance to something that has none.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:41 pm ...

I may have wasted 45 minutes of effort making a case on Eloh.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:37 pm Unless Marmot is allowing dead baddies to send actions for inactive teammates but I don't think so.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:32 pm In conclusion, for me, Eloh is bad based on team interactions. If she's town then I'll have to reevaluate.

I think Dunya is my top town read currently. If Eloh is scum, JJJ's move to Sprit from Eloh on D1 feels like a save. If Eloh is town, it still doesn't feel like a bus.

Dunya p. much town to me.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:24 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:21 pm if after today we voted for sig, ddl, quin, and nijuu in completely random order we'd still win even if we didn't land on the mafia til the last one.

though that would take 15 days to complete

Replace DDL for Kyle and I agree it's a perfect plan.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:17 pm technically dunya could be mafia but only if she's playing the strongest mafia game anyone has ever played

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:09 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:03 pm Ok I still think it's Sloonei but now I'm confus.

@Marmot if K2 sends a message the same night he dies does the message still appear?

If a player is nightkilled, there action will still go through.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:05 pm Well, using my no-empathy rule, I'm going to be keeping my vote on Eloh and think she's really been trying to fly under our radars. She's not only been actively been sidelining, she has made so few cases on her own on anyone at all. I find that hard to believe in a thread of this size she doesn't have varying leads of her own in any capacity. It's all agreeing or seeing what someone else has said. That's honestly not helpful. Her reads have been all over the place for total weaksauce reasons. That rainbow she made Day 2 contradicted everything else she was saying.

I remember her other "active" townie game (I call active because she had more than 100 posts there and here), she was more intuitive and someone with opinions. Did she agree with various cases? Sure. But she also made her own observations. I can't see any original observations here. I can't see any contradicting observations either. She's followed the majority in every phase. She's been "catching up" every day. She was very strong to defend Epi, and I mentioned this before, but that was literally the only strong defense or opinion she's had in this whole game. But then when Long Con was stringing her on his theory, she flips on Epi even! This is like a few hours difference.

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Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:00 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:54 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:46 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:43 pmI want to hear more of what LC has to say because he has my ear

That's the opposite of how most people in the thread feel, I think. On any particular subject? Surely not about Epignosis.

Elohcin: ok, I think I have a different way of explaining it.

Quin thought Epi was buddying mesk and bob. In order for him to be right, that Epi is a baddie doing some buddying, he is assuming that mesk and bob are Civ. Are you with me on that?

I'm following.

But what if epi is bad and and either mesk or bob is as well. He he is buddying both -one teammate and one civ. That could be possible as well. Just a baddie trying to keep others on their toes...throwing people off their game.

She quickly provides a counter argument which she called "more likely", but for someone who was vocally defending Epi and calling LC sour from a previous game, why throw more shade Epi's way at all here especially if your point is that Epi is town..... I don't get that.

"Why can't I just sit and read mafia all day? " - I swear on something precious to me, Elo used this is exact same sentence (or some variation of it) in one of the other games I read of hers where she was scum. I remember it made me chuckle, I didn't notice it here till I reread her posts now.

When she finally does give "reads" she gave "good" reads.

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Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:42 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:48 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:36 pm I see Elohcin!

I still feel like you were voting epi for a nonsense reason which is what mafia will do.

Would love some content from you outside of LC v Epi.

Okay, I've finally caught up instead of folding laundry as a good wife and mother would. I am overwhelmed with all the info.

I like daisy this game and feel she is civ. She seems to be genuinely scum-hunting. At first, I liked her accusations...thoyght they could be valid. After catching up though, and tonanswer her question to me, I feel Epi is being genuine. I actually believe him that he is trying to be nicer and back off on the insults. Everything he has said is true. When he referred to not voting for bob and mesk on day 1...he never did say he thought they were good. And he is right about being falsly accused of liking to bus teammates early in a game. His meta doesn't show that he likes to do that often.

I think nutella is genuine as well. She seems to be trying to change up her game. I've been there before. I try to be different every game to keep people guessing but they still mostly guess I'm bad. Even though I think her posts are genuine thus far, that doesn't excuse her from veing bad imo. She may very well be.

Let's see.... I don't really have any other pings. There is so much content but nothing as condemning as what I see from LC.

Ask me a specific question, I'll answer... I'm an open book. I just find it difficult to wrap my head around a game this early. It takes me a bit to get a foothold usually.

Linki:. AND NOW I'M BEHING AGAIN!

I don't like that. I don't like that at all. I can't believe you can't find any content suspicious and decide to make reads that indicate why you think someone is good rather than why someone is bad. You're not lynching good people, you're lynching bad people.

She even made a half arsed read on nutella. She's genuine, but maybe she's bad. What does that give us? Why is she bad? What doesn't excuse her from being bad? What action?

Moving onto the next golden point:

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Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:44 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:20 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:18 pm Why is lynching a low poster being considered today?

Seems like it's general "at least if we are wrong we lose very little" mentality.

I don't think this is true. Talker or not, losing a civ is never a good thing and I don't think your quote represents the mentality of those willing to vote for a low poster. I like DDL's post.... (Let's see if I can double quote without fucking this up)

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:32 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:24 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:18 pm Why is lynching a low poster being considered today?

I find it unlikely that all if the scum can be found among the talkative folks.
I'm not advocating a lynch of a low poster without exhausting all our other options first.

I'll never understand this mentality. Worst thing about it is that it always seems to be the case.

Thah'ts why I compared low posters to zero posters.

There is that guy who makes 3-4 posts a day and contributes nothing. Sprityo, Sig and Wilgy could count on that category (personally I think Sprityo looks bad and I have no read on the other 2).

There is that guy who makes 1 post every 2 days saying hi and is a prime candidate for a replacement. I. e. Dom.

I think the former type can be a worthy lynch (though I'd like to ISO any of them before deciding). The later is not.

This is good. And it makes me want to look among the yellow for a good lynch candidate. Dom probably is just a quiet civ. I bet there are baddies among the yellows in our rainbow lists. Those we swe posting but haven't given enough to really say whether they are good or bad.

She thinks Dom is a quiet civ. Why is Dom a quiet civ after you name Dom one of your heavy scum reads in your rainbow list a few posts up? Why not sig or INH? You name Dom your 3rd scumspect and then agree that Dom is a quiet civ there are baddies among her yellow list. Too much wishy washy, too much inconsistency, too much agreeing with others.

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as a sidenote, to take Eloh's voting patterns into consideration (these are just final votes, I can't be arsed to list her vote changes):
Day 1: Long Con (because of Epi obv)
Day 2: Sloonei
Day 3: speedchuck
Day 4: speedchuck (remember, we are to assume not all of Jay's scum mates tagged along on the Jay lynch so Eloh fits that criteria)
Day 5: malakim (a low poster)

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at 1.18am (my time) she gets a bit "angry" at nutella for calling her out on some inconsistencies:

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Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:12 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:46 pm Placing a vote on Jack. I'm really not sure how I feel about Eloh. I will say that regardless of alignment I disapprove of her approach. If you're not going to read everything, don't act surprised when you don't understand what someone is referring to.

Fuck this. All Im doing is reading and responding, reading and responding. I'm about to give up. Y'all want too much out of this old lady. I ain't got time for this crap.

but four minutes later she's laughing with Wilgy........

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Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:49 pm
tbh, I agree with this. I feel like straight forward Wilgy has been more common recently too.

Haha... I agree actually. I feel like since vocaroo mafia, I have a whole new perspective of wilgy. And I like him.

I don't feel the frustration in that particular post was genuine as a result. If I am frustrated, I'd actually try to be more informed rather than make a jokey post right after exclaiming "fuck this", but that's just me...

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Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:22 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:04 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:09 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:55 pm And now I can ask this question without being a "Didn't Read" Denny. Eloh, why are Quin and Sloonei in the reddish zone? You have never mentioned them before.

Because theor posts don't feel very trustworthy.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:05 pm I recall Epi once making the argument that Eloh is more invested in games when she has someone to talk to behind the scenes. In this game she's made multiple comments about the amount of effort she's been putting into getting caught up. Her tone in these posts has not been one of frustration or dejection, but instead she's seemed kind of gleeful about it, playing around and joking about her involvement. I like this attitude and approve of it in every way, which is why I feel dirty for turning it into a case against Eloh. If she is involved in BTSC, and has been since Day 1, then she's scum. And if this is the case and Epi's old argument is true, then her carefree attitude toward the avalanche of posts in this thread might be explained by her involvement with teammates behind the scenes. Or she's just having a jolly old time.

I'm actually not having a jolly ol time. I'm sick. I still have work this week...which is good with Christmas coming, but I have a cold, so not fun. Every time I read a page even when caught up, there is another page to read. And when I go to sleep, I wake up like 10 pages behind. I cannot think straight 'cause I'm sick. Went to the store to get meds and left my phone, that's how much I can't think straight. Sloon is being nit picky with me. I think he expects more from me than I can intellectually give. I'm not an intellectual like so many of you here. I play for fun and to try to keep my mind as sharp as possible as I age. Did I mention I'm sick and feel like crap. My meds didn't even seem to help.

I'm trying to guve enough effort so y'all don't suspect me. But I am usually lynched pretty early in games because I'm suspected. When I flip civ, people are confused. When I flip baddie they are all self congratulatory. Because no matter what my role, I'm always suspected by a few players early on. Y'all just need to leave me alone and go find a baddie.

Don't feel bad for skimming the game. I do it all the time.

Oh. My. Fuck. Who said I'm skimming? Not I!

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:45 pm Heck....epi makes anlot os sense. He was wrong about my skimming though. Yall expect too much out of me but you see....he doesn't even expect me to read the thread. Lets find some middle ground here. Anyway... sloonei probably thinks I'm an easy target. He knows that when I'm accused I tend to shut down and give up rather than fight.

It was actually DDL who pointed out it was ok to skim the game, not Epi, and not that she was skimming. I don't think she took that the right way. She writes long paragraphs about why she can't be present: why can't she write long paragraphs about game related things? I mean, not even long ones, short ones. Surely if you can find the time to write OT you can find the time to write in topic.
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I'm on page 2 of her ISO now, will continue in between breaks of actual education.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:12 pm It's not easy getting real answers out of Eloh. I tried. At least she hasn't made any "I'm busy, I have cakes to bake and children to educate" excuses to you yet. Those will make you feel shameful.

I'd also like to point out, and I know I've mentioned this hit me the wrong way repeatedly, but the Dom placement.
She excused herself a couple days ago by saying it must have been someone who said something that made her suspect Dom. But when I read her ISO yesterday, she actually defended her reads:

Her response to Quin:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:11 pm Kyle is yellow. I have no real read on him. Its only you and sloonei. And like I said already....the rainbow list was just a way tonget my gut reads out there of who I can/cannot trust. I cannot ISO or dig deep on anyone specific, pulling posts to quote and show why I'd lynch rhis player or that. I simply don't have time. I'm constantly just reading the thread through and responding. I would need some quiet in the thread so I have time to actually read peope individually and contribute detailed reads.

This is the response she gave after a JJJ prod on her list:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:39 pm As for discussion of the rainbow list I made on day one (I think it was), I just looked at the list of playera and basically put them in order of most trustworthy to least trustworthy in accordance with my opinion. Apparently I was ignorant to the fact that rainbow lists had to be more complicated than that. And yea, In mentioned that I was okay with voting A low poster as I felt a baddie could be among them. Of course its not like I would have picked a low powter at random to vote for. It would be something that would have to be discussed. And just because I'm okay with voting a low poster doesn't mean all the low posters have to be orange and red on my rainbow list.

There was no mention of any suspicion towards Dom itt around her post.

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Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:06 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:19 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:15 pm I've enjoyed reading dunya's catch up posts.

I want to address mesk's play. Who was it that said they had played with her as civ before and she was really fierce? She seems so genuine to me, but that info doesn't allign with her behavior. I think she needs to be up for discussion today.

Linki...by the way... I can never address linki because on my phone, the left side of linki gets cut off for some reason. Just thought I'd share.

I don't think her absence for 6 days is indicative of her alignment. That's what I would like to sway people away from.
Yes, as town, a wrongly accused town, she gets very vocal and aggressively defensive. She hasn't been on the frying pan though, indeed, she hasn't even been on the forum for 6 days so....we can't say she's scum because she's not here.

This is oddly defensive, imo.

Dunya replaced in awesomely with great effort. What if she is too good to be true? What if there have been no night kills because of a quiet mafia and two of them are mesk and now dunya? Just really spitting this out real quick before I go watch tv with the family. I'm not fully caught up so tell me if I'm insane.

She asks a question in the thread: "Who was it that said they had played with her as civ before and she was really fierce? "

I answered her question in a post. Since it did not align with what she wanted, she accuses me of being "oddly defensive" of Mesk and tries to immediately draw suspicion towards me.

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Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:17 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:51 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:10 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:05 am @Long Con Lost Again 3 comes to mind. But whatever man. I don't feel the need to prove I can play a good scum game. Especially given the fact that I am not scum in this game.

That's exactly what Scumdaisy would say.

Since DrWilgy is here (hi! *wave)
Can you please elaborate more on this specifically as I have a mixed read on Daisy so far. I have never played with ScumDaisy before.

Nothing. I'm terrible at reading Daisy.

Um...this post screams scum, wilgy.

Still reading...

she chose the least "scummy" wilgy post. In fact, it's literally 6 words. a 6 word post SCREAMS scum. I find that extreme hyperbole. Very strange choice of quote and exaggeration. Why is it screaming of scum? But that's not the funny thing, the funny this is:

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Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:47 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:00 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:57 pm I was amazed at how many called me scum in their gth reads. Does this reflect my contributions thus far or mostly what you were feeling from sprityo? Genuinely curious.

I fell asleep after your first handful of posts (you must have been boring )and just woke up to the GTH reads. So my read was about 90% sprit and 10% dunya, without having read most of your contributions.

Fair enough. I don't know you well, but I feel your answer here is genuine.

I kind of did my own GTH as I was reading through the thread. Of the low posters, I think Dom and wilgy may be good although there was one post of wilgy's that seemed very scum, but then he better explained himself and that sounded pretty genuine. But then again maybe it was a slip and he noticed how scum he sounded and then just tried to make up for it well. I think INH and mesk could be bad. Oh and sig is quiet too but I'm unsure about him. I could be missing some. Of the outspoken players, i think jjj, cbob, and dunya are good. I think thats all. The others are all in between participants imo, not over chatty and not too quiet. Maybe I'll try doing a list of my gth tomorrow qhere I can include everyone. I'm very sleepy.

Like, literally her next post names Wilgy may be good (referencing that post that made Wilgy seem "very scum"....but he still made it to her may be good. With whom? With Dom, who was her third suspect from the bottom in her rainbow list.

Then she flips and calls her green reads, Mesk and INH bad.

She names Jay, cBob and me as good here (this won't last, she's been throwing shit my way ever so often in the beginning so expect a follow up to when she thinks dunya is fake again).

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Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:12 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:44 pm Quick comment regarding the GTH exercise.

For everyokne that GTH'd me good. Why do you think I'm good? Under what scenarios do you find that I'm scummy? Would you say that you are mpre of a player that finds people innocent until proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent?

@elochin I'm still curious as to why you stated my comment about being able to read Daisy stuck out to you as scummy before my further explanation. What about that comment caused a scum read? Am I not allowed to be bad at reading someone?

@JoH, I'll get back to you. I've come to a point where I'm aware of my tunneling and I need to review others before I continue to bark at you. What I find interesting outside of our back and forth is your baddie read of me. What prompted this read exactly?

It was the tine and abruptness off your post. I quoted and posted and then came back to where I left off and saw you had explained yourself better in the very next post. I thought maybe after you posted, you read it back and saw your scummy tone and figured you should better explain or.... perhaps your tone wasn't a scum slip and you were just continuing your thoughts in the next post. Seeing as just about everyone, if not everyone, sees you as good with their GTHs, I'm thinking it was one of my irrational reads. I'm good at those. But I don't know. I would put you as a firm yellow in my head.

Wilgy asks her why she thought his post was scummy, she made a defense and then told him how his responses had moved her opinion, but puts him in a "firm yellow" after naming his as "maybe good" with Dom a few post earlier.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:15 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:05 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:06 pm
JaggedJimmyJay - EGH
JJJ is never scum.
No, but really, I don't know what he'd be like as scum. If he's leading, and leading well, mafia will probably kill him and take care of things for us. If they start killing other leaders and JJJ takes control of the game, wipe him.

This is gross. All it is is an invitation for JJJ-less mafia to burn a lynch. Gross.

Yeah, shoot. Mafia ain't gonna take him out now. They know if they don't, you eventually will! I don't think this was a wise posy to make if you are civ, chuck.

This post just screams "fake" to me. It was almost as though she was giving a soft future defence of why Jay may not be nightkilled since he's usually one of the most outspoken "supertowns". Also, it reads like a mom scolding a child, very different from "angry" Eloh using bad words.

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Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:07 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:43 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:53 pm

YET ANOTHER IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

insertnamehere has replaced Glorfindel.

INH replaced in with time to submit a kill for Night 1.

Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:53 pm

insertnamehere posted elsewhere at 11:36pm EST this same evening.

And dunya said that she thinks there is more of a team kill rather than a specific role that can send in the kill because if it were a specific role then marmot would have replaced her there.

So if only the killer mafia role is allowed to send in a kill, then I think it has to velong toneither INH or dunya. Most likely INH since he replaced in first. @Marmot can the team send in the kill as a group pm? (Hey... doesn't hurt to ask, right?)

tries to add a few cents to what we were discussing and leading towards. She obv knows the answer, but prods Marmot for a response. Not sure what her parenthesis mean. Did she think he wouldn't answer in the thread? Not sure...

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:49 pm The issue I'm running into is that at this point I suspect both dunya and jack, but they can't both be bad, dunya is voting for Jack, Jack is being irregularly difficult at all times.

I'd be up for a dunya lynch. I keep having this nagging voice in the back of my head that says, "She's bad, Tasha. B. A. D." But part of me feels bad because she does aeem to be really on top of things and very helpful, especially for a replacement.

and here we are, Eloh trying to get me lynched again. I'm BAD, but also possibly good. But she'd also be up for lynching me. She made no observations on why I'm bad except that I'm helpful and on top of things. Does that worry Scum Eloh?

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Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:48 pm Wih mesk still not around, I'm thinking she is civ. She isn't new to mafia even though she is new here. I don't think she qould abandon a btsc team. Of course, I could be wrong. There is always a chance she and dunya are bad. I know I have said this before. And dunya kind of eased my mind about it, but think...mesk hasn't been back. She doesn't know that dunya is here. What is mesk was all alone in btsc and decides to justbleave and now she has a strong teammate but doesn't know it. Gah.... I'm so indecisive.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:49 pm I need some feesback on my thoughts of dunya. What are y'all thinking?

After stating Mesk was on her bad list, she came around to townie again. But then how can she accuse me, so apparently, after defending Mesk, I'm not Mesk's scum mate and Mesk is MIA because it was just me and her in the BTSC...

She pushes for more feedback on me, no one replies to her so she says she's not voting for Mesk or Dom or Sloonei and will vote for speedchuck instead, like that, out of the blue.

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Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:21 am Wow! I cannot believe so many of you stayed up til 2am for mafia. Five pages from 10pm-2am. I looked at the poll, I read a few posts, but tbh, not enough to really understand how y'all came around to mesk. I thought I was the only one who thought she was bad. Y'all know not to listen to cooky eloh, shoot.

Mesk, I hope you join us again sometime soon. You seem like a fun person tonplay with when you're here.

I'm not gonna lie. Even if the lynch was a townie, I'm still happy someone is gone. It helps me form better opinions of others. Dunya... I think you're alright imo now. It eases my mind because I hated that nagging feeling that you were bad.

Alright... it's Thursday and you know what that means... I won't be around. Don't talk too much.

And Mesk flips town, and I'm town again. She had the nagging feeling I was defending her. She could have continued suspecting me if that's why she thought I was scum, my scumminess never depended on Mesk flipping scum. I don't get where she gets her reads.

now this next part was blown waaaaay out of proportion (and honestly, I was offended that she thought I would be cheating in any way and I posted the photo again to prove to her it was a cat photo because she said she didn't see any cat in the photo. I don't like being called a cheater tbh)

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Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:57 pm Okay...this is weird. I'm not caught up. Trying though. But I told Juliets that I would try to get into discord today since I haven't been in there is probably a couple weeks. I went in there just now and dunya has posted a pic in there of her laptop and it has a quote of mine and her talking about me feeling guilty or whatever. She also says I'm lurking. She refers to my post when I ask for a catch up and say something like, I'm not trying to cheat. I feel the need to address this. First of all...what is that doing in discord. Second, I'm not lurking. I have been super busy as I have said. I have kept the page open so I can read here and there throughout the day as Im waiting on cupcakes to bake or nuts to roast or laundry to heck...food to finish heating in the microwave. I haven't really had the cahnce to actually post though b/c I'm STILL catching up even now. And I was not feeling guilty. I just was hoping for a catch up on the EoD and night since I wasn't here really. I called it cheating because I was asking someone else to tell me what happened rather than reading it myself. Anyway... still catching up.

all that it was ftr is a photo of my laptop (with a post I'd made public in the thread opened since I was playing mafia, and Lizzy behind looking at herself in the mirror and I said something like "diva queen" or some comment on Lizzy). That's a very nervous scum reaction imo blowing things way out of proportion. I mean sorry my screen was open on a couple of most recent posts made in the thread? Maybe I'm biased about that because I don't like to be accused of cheating, but a Townie would not have acted as hung up and defensive and aggressive as her there.

now here's where it gets good again:

I'm pushing hard for a Wilgy lynch here

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Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:12 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:43 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:38 pmI'll tell you what a strong townie stance is: it's having strong suspicions. Just clearing people off is more a scum stance-tactic. Does that make sense to you?

You were only using emojis, but those emojis actually reflected better on you. You were calling people good/bad with them. That's townie as hell.

This "not calling Jack bad for his play day one" and "not agreeing on a Jay lynch" is not necessarily townie as hell.

I hope you can see where I am coming from; I'm super genuine and super serious and extremely demanding.

So you want mor quantity from me?

no...I never complained about low post count or quantity of post. I want more genuine, hard stances. I would understand your hesitation in that you can't give me a genuine scum read without outing a scum-mate, but try.

she laughs. She doesn't make any other comments on the exchange going on between Wilgy and I, she just laughs.

next post she makes that isnt OT?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:43 pm I would be okay lynching wilgy, quin, sloonei, dunya, or lc. I know its my duty to go into detail but I cannot stare at this screen much longer. This isnbased on a previous poat I made in response to dunya. These arenthe people I don't trust atm.

Wilgy-not trying hard enough. Has pinged me a couple times.
Quin and sloonei-seem to be a driving force this game but I don't feel like they seem super civ. Baddie teams usually have at least one very vocal player. If this team does, gotta be one of these.
Dunya-same field as sloonei and quin as a driving force, but she has said several things that ping me even though she also seems like a vey helpful civ. "Seems" and "is" are two different things.
Lc-still could be bad imo

She names Wilgy as her #1 suspect. Because he's not trying hard enough.

I mean....I could go on and on. But I have convinced myself 100%. All these reasons and more (I still have 2 pages I can ISO) are why I will be lynching Elo tomorrow no matter what happens tonight.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:21 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:11 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:03 pm I mean if Elo flips scum, we should wait and see what would happen Night 8 before we decide whether to try our luck with lynching an inactive (nijuu/sig...not hot on sig tbh) or start looking at one of the following:

speedchuck
Quin
DDL

Definitely agreed with the first part, but I would not remove nutella from that list.
Do you have any thoughts on which of those three might be scum?

don't make me start tunneling nutella again. I thought everyone told me to stop

What do you think of my speedchuck theory?

I'm not familiar with it. Where did you discuss it?

I liked the theory that speedchuck is town due to being the third wagon on Day 4 after Jay and Wilgy.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:23 pm maybe the mafia will even decide not to send a kill tonight either so we think that nijuuk and sig are the last wolves 0:

that would be the best move I sure hope they don't do that

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:11 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:03 pm I mean if Elo flips scum, we should wait and see what would happen Night 8 before we decide whether to try our luck with lynching an inactive (nijuu/sig...not hot on sig tbh) or start looking at one of the following:

speedchuck
Quin
DDL

Definitely agreed with the first part, but I would not remove nutella from that list.
Do you have any thoughts on which of those three might be scum?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:33 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:26 pm the question is outside of nijuu/sig, who is the most likely active, scummy player with Eloh?

My tinfoil is on nutella.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:11 pm Kyle is yellow. I have no real read on him. Its only you and sloonei. And like I said already....the rainbow list was just a way tonget my gut reads out there of who I can/cannot trust. I cannot ISO or dig deep on anyone specific, pulling posts to quote and show why I'd lynch rhis player or that. I simply don't have time. I'm constantly just reading the thread through and responding. I would need some quiet in the thread so I have time to actually read peope individually and contribute detailed reads.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:39 pm As for discussion of the rainbow list I made on day one (I think it was), I just looked at the list of playera and basically put them in order of most trustworthy to least trustworthy in accordance with my opinion. Apparently I was ignorant to the fact that rainbow lists had to be more complicated than that. And yea, In mentioned that I was okay with voting A low poster as I felt a baddie could be among them. Of course its not like I would have picked a low powter at random to vote for. It would be something that would have to be discussed. And just because I'm okay with voting a low poster doesn't mean all the low posters have to be orange and red on my rainbow list.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:15 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:05 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:06 pm
JaggedJimmyJay - EGH
JJJ is never scum.
No, but really, I don't know what he'd be like as scum. If he's leading, and leading well, mafia will probably kill him and take care of things for us. If they start killing other leaders and JJJ takes control of the game, wipe him.

This is gross. All it is is an invitation for JJJ-less mafia to burn a lynch. Gross.

Yeah, shoot. Mafia ain't gonna take him out now. They know if they don't, you eventually will! I don't think this was a wise posy to make if you are civ, chuck.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:49 pm The issue I'm running into is that at this point I suspect both dunya and jack, but they can't both be bad, dunya is voting for Jack, Jack is being irregularly difficult at all times.

I'd be up for a dunya lynch. I keep having this nagging voice in the back of my head that says, "She's bad, Tasha. B. A. D." But part of me feels bad because she does aeem to be really on top of things and very helpful, especially for a replacement.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:59 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:57 pm Have one more thing to say. Sloonei...I donthunk you're good. But I feelnlike you are really reaching with these last few posts/questions to me.

Is "donthunk" supposed to be "do think" or "don't think"?