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true that! you're always welcome to sub out of a game, no questions asked.Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:56 amI don't regret it and would do it again. You cannot force to play a game I no longer wanna play.
sometimes games feel imbalanced, but don't judge till you know the ins and outs of behind the scenes. 
ayy missed out on the win ratethey've been "permanently" marked so until the marker flips, they should holster? mmm. don't like that plan.Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:51 pm Btw @Guillotine @Epignosis I'd be wary of taking certain actions such as gifting mana to other players for as long as you have those thopters on you. Not sure what they do but it's a possible tracking mechanism.
https://scryfall.com/card/c18/107/thopt ... mw_MTGWiki
like, they kill marmot so that his mason partner is 100% lock town today? i don't understand.
lol what?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:26 pm It would be one thing if you were towncore but aside from me and Epi I think most players here have you as mafia.
agree with u. don't out. it's enough we know how much damage you do without kicker.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:28 pmBut we don't know if I hit Maf, including me. So how would it be good to know, since we are incapable of knowing anyway?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:24 pm If you've half killed a mafia it would be good to know because others (like me) also have damage spells.
I really only see it as a benefit to Maf to know who I hit each night.
Both players I hit are still alive. Let the Maf use their life to find out if its them IMO.
Anybody else wanna weigh in on this?
why is falcon in this?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:19 pm I think we should get hard claims from JPIC, Falcon and 112.
it's not about wallposting, it's about ~solving. where has 112 been solving?
surely if they knew, they knew yeeting the other was practically impossible after the card would flip.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:11 pm I have reservations with Marmot as a kill choice too. I know it's like a cliche but I was going to push him and Epi as teammates today from my position as uninformed. The mafia choosing to kill him feels loaded with agenda. The only reason I can see for killing him would be if they heavily determined that he was mason or somesuch. He literally cast a death blow to a town in a split vote, as mafia unless I have plenty to gain (ie. cleared status, or actual proper fear of his role) off his death, I never kill him there.
Like occam's razor says they just knew that he was masons with Epi.
How could they have known? A good guess? My problem with that is that a guess does not overcompensate for how bad he looked off that kill. It literally only makes sense if they knew exactly that he was a mason.
How could they have known?
i'm beginning to doubt your sincerity here. first of all, i KILL the two people who are town reading me the most in the game? no. you've never been scum with me, that isn't how i operate.Enrique wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:43 pmThere's a couple things besides this that caught my attention. The first one is relatively minor, it's that the two nightkills so far have been strongly associated with her (on day 0 she calls herself+kyle+marmot "the three musketeers" and they do a whole dance). There's some decent distancing, why would she kill the two players that trust her most?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:16 pmDude this is a really interesting point. Dunya got 6 mana and then suddenly a lot of what appears to be neg utlity shit occurred.Enrique wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:15 pmInteresting, did something big happen today? Did all hell break loose? Do you think a lot of potentially harmful actions might have been set in motion last night?dunya wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:46 am....
basically, he's saying if he had sent guill 6 mana and all hell broke loose, he would have an idea that maybe it was guil who did that hell. that was the intention behind sending someone like guill all that mana. i think.
alternatively, if the person you sent all that mana to stays mum, and doesn't react, and all hell didn't break loose, i think that's what made epi town read guill. i am not there yet, or close, but i can see why i guess. mafia would know none of them sent it to each other, so 6 unaccounted mana means people trusted them. i'm still loling guil starts day 2 with 6 mana gifts and then questions epi lol
i dont even know why we are wasting time talking about this. epi is lock town by mechanics.
Hmmm.
Then at the end of Day 1 there was a lot of speculation that she moved her vote from falcon to Made at the last minute to save ted (whom we know know was town). Some people linked ted with dunya but I think Guill was the only one to actually bring up falcon. It led to an interesting conversation.
it went nowhere because i exactly TR falcon. he was softing vig early d1, and i wasn't sure. but after he came in and said he targeted someone with -5 damage, yeah i locked it in. from my experience with watching falcon in a couple of games, he has no issues roleclaiming. that was a ballsy claim to make as mafia, even as a fake claim to be open with "causing damage" to others is not something mafia would probably like to bring attention to imo.Enrique wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:43 pmTed was lynched and the whole thing kind of fizzled out. I don't know if Guillo has an opinion about this (or if they still have any votes left) but there's a connection there that I think should be revisited.Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:06 pmTo get towncred and say exactly this right now.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:05 pmWhy would I vote Ted over Made if that's the case?Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:02 pm What if it's Ted/Dunya/Falcon ?
Falcon was also a wagon when Dunya jumped from Ted to Made.
There's a couple more dunya/falcon interactions that stand out (the whole "you're weaving a false narrative" drama, seemed overblown, ultimately went nowhere), but tbh it's pretty minor. I'm mostly suspicious of falcon, and there's been a lot of other dunya content that I did like, but I think she's a decent shot for his teammate and the fact that she got a ton of mana on such a chaotic night is remarkable.
hmmmmmmm.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:16 pmDude this is a really interesting point. Dunya got 6 mana and then suddenly a lot of what appears to be neg utlity shit occurred.Spoiler: show
Hmmm.
bingo. you saved me a post.
lolEnrique wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:15 pmInteresting, did something big happen today? Did all hell break loose? Do you think a lot of potentially harmful actions might have been set in motion last night?dunya wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:46 am....
basically, he's saying if he had sent guill 6 mana and all hell broke loose, he would have an idea that maybe it was guil who did that hell. that was the intention behind sending someone like guill all that mana. i think.
alternatively, if the person you sent all that mana to stays mum, and doesn't react, and all hell didn't break loose, i think that's what made epi town read guill. i am not there yet, or close, but i can see why i guess. mafia would know none of them sent it to each other, so 6 unaccounted mana means people trusted them. i'm still loling guil starts day 2 with 6 mana gifts and then questions epi lol
i dont even know why we are wasting time talking about this. epi is lock town by mechanics.
okay. why? i mean, why not Epi or LC? especially why not epi?
HK said he knows more about maple syrup than u do, he also loves it more. too bad he isn't in canada land lol.
do you think urist's solving has been fake?Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:54 pmYes, I am familiar with this common cliché. Mine is two truths and a truth, for the record.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:31 pmI meant I think Mac/Urist might be town, and that 112 isn't. Therefore two lies and a truth.
i rather not gleam alignment from reason of replacing tbh, but i will say that i didn't get the vibe she was disengaged from the game, she was just laser focused on mechanics.
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did i say "this definitively is what a t!jpic looks like"?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:17 amYou can point out the difference but to say this definitively is what a town!jpic looks like when your sample size is 1 is a silly argument.dunya wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:46 amso yeah, calm down. i'm noticing and pointing out differences. can i not do that?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:18 pmlmfao
you've seen me play as town like once. How the fuck can you class a "town jpic" from data of exactly one. It must be easy to know what a town jpic looks like from having the TMI of modding the game. YOu're reaching as fuck
I doubt you will read it, but here you go
https://www.neoseeker.com/forums/118/t2 ... fia-day-3/
actually, let me ask you: do you feel your play here is the same as it was in GoC?
thanks for the link, anyway.
Nope, it is not the same. However, I don't feel like it's a fair comparison because GoC was a month-long bonanza, and this game started while GoC was still ongoing.
would he fake red peek me as mafia? i know he does wifom things, but that was too out there i think. i was thinking of voting him protection today tbh. he's my definition of LHF and getting no info from if he does flip mafia.
damn HK. discuss things first is the etiquette. like wait till your partner wakes up.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:48 pmWas it Dunya herself?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:45 pmsomeone gave me a neighborhood with Dunya last nightMacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:43 pm Okay I have flipped the board.
HK, Dunya and Wilgy wolves.
Dunya is wolf in every world.
That would make sense with what she tried to target me with n1.
In which case that's confirmation you aren't partnered.
ya don't say. whose noose?
i like this plan. how do we agree on 1 list tho? i'll submit mine.Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:33 pmYes, it's ludicrously mafia-sided. It's probably impossible to execute mafia today, unless we can hit a pair.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:21 pm All that must be done today (with respect to voting) is make sure the top lynch candidates are left without a vote. I say pick a three or four person pool to leave without a vote. These are the least trustworthy.
The more I think about it, the more I think this mechanic is mafia initiated. It basically gives mafia control of the poll unless civilians mitigate it. Mafia can cover themselves, after all.
Still, we should decide which handful of people should be without a vote.
I think the most ideal system is to have a list of everyone from towniest to scummiest. The scummiest votes for the 2nd scummiest, etc etc. The most townie player (Epi) votes for the 2nd towniesg and gets voted by the 2nd and 3rd towniest.
I think this system has the fewest loopholes for mafia to screw us, while giving us a decent amount of control over the PoE. Thoughts?
i'm kinda tired of you putting my name everywhere in your poe without explaining it beyond "no mafia dead yet, dunia must be mafia". kinda annoyed too ngl.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:21 pmDeduction. I think below sorta is a good basis for solving further.Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:16 pmHow do you figure?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:14 pm I think LC is highly likely to be mafia. If we can flip someone today it probably should be him.
Two mafia between you, Dunya, 112, JPIC, Hollowkatt.
1 between Enrique/Falcon.
I think 112 is town for bad reasons. HK is pretty ok. JPIC has been pushed a lot and probably by wolves.
I have little reason to feel good about you.
you don't sayhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:11 pmlol nice.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:09 pm I did just say tedxtr likely mafia partner of LC and Dunya so I mean clearly I am in island vibes and should be held to a lower standard than usual.
I think Dunya is my person to try solving today.
lol.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:56 pm Still think LC and Dunya are mafia. Tedxtr likely partner.
do you prename the person who you add votes to? or do you mean you gave guil 2 votes to use?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:55 pmI absolutely am not mafia. I thought Marmot and Epi were outed at EOD but clearly not. Good show.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:42 pmI'm not thoGuillotine wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:20 pm Mac is mafia. Dont vote today for that guy.
Hollowkatt is too.
I’ve been marked and i can only post 10 times today. So im gonna dip out.
I received two artifacts overnight. I received no additional mana so was unable to boost my thingy. One of my artifacts adds two votes to a named player and that player is Guillo. The other is a thopter and I have nfi what it does.
you and marmot as a team...the dream. ballsy, i love it.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:38 pmAh!Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:35 pmWell I don't care about any of that, so have fun with it. It made less sense to me to give all your mana to someone of whom you were guessing an alignment. You keep chewing on this as long as you need to though.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:22 pmI don't care about that.
You accused me of being mafia even though I claimed to have given six mana to one person.
Why would mafia give six mana to one person?
Falcon gave the only reasonable answer, and I don't even like Falcon (as a civilian): "Epi and Guillo are lying about it and are mafia teammates."
Nobody else has provided a reasonable possibility.
So I don't care that you think any players with BTSC can give six mana to someone.
I care that you called me mafia and voted for me to die when 1) You didn't know I had BTSC, and 2) Giving six mana to another person doesn't seem like it would make sense for a mafia member to do.
That was the scheme.
If some big nasty shit went down in the thread at Night, assuming mafia have additional artifacts and what not, we would know who had the mana to wreak such havoc.
It was our way of clearing ourselves to others while outing mafia we overpowered.
I think it was quite a genius plan if I do say so myself.
i think LC is saying between 4 mafia, they could have sent guillio 6 mana, like some send 1 and some send 2.
what about hollowkatt?Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:20 pm Mac is mafia. Dont vote today for that guy.
Hollowkatt is too.
I’ve been marked and i can only post 10 times today. So im gonna dip out.
hedgy, not edgy.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:22 pmYepJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:20 pmFor real?
ted voted me because "wolves aren't doing anything"
dunya voted me because she is an edgy bitch, apparently
Why are you a wagon?
so yeah, calm down. i'm noticing and pointing out differences. can i not do that?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:18 pmlmfao
you've seen me play as town like once. How the fuck can you class a "town jpic" from data of exactly one. It must be easy to know what a town jpic looks like from having the TMI of modding the game. YOu're reaching as fuck
I doubt you will read it, but here you go
https://www.neoseeker.com/forums/118/t2 ... fia-day-3/
why would he be ~forced to you mana?Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:47 am Note that Urist just either townread me or TMIed me, i dont know what to make of it yet.
Although if Epi was scum and forced to give me that 6 mana, why not keep it secret. Why out it?
If the host hadn't told us that No Chop didn't work today I would even consider it. There's basically no way that a townie doesn't die today.
