Magic the Gathering Mafia - Game Over - Mafia has won!

#2401

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:09 pm I did just say tedxtr likely mafia partner of LC and Dunya so I mean clearly I am in island vibes and should be held to a lower standard than usual.

lol nice.
I think Dunya is my person to try solving today.

#2402

hopefully I am more accurate than solving Ted...

#2403

I think Jack remains obvious town for a post he made. Epi is outed town. Guillo town. I like Urist. Everyone else is viable.

Enrique/Falcon probably has 1 wolf and 1 town.

#2404

I think LC is highly likely to be mafia. If we can flip someone today it probably should be him.

#2405

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:14 pm I think LC is highly likely to be mafia. If we can flip someone today it probably should be him.

How do you figure?

#2406

I'd be happy with Joseph, 112, or Urist as the yeet today.

#2407

All that must be done today (with respect to voting) is make sure the top lynch candidates are left without a vote. I say pick a three or four person pool to leave without a vote. These are the least trustworthy.

The more I think about it, the more I think this mechanic is mafia initiated. It basically gives mafia control of the poll unless civilians mitigate it. Mafia can cover themselves, after all.

Still, we should decide which handful of people should be without a vote.

#2408

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:14 pm I think LC is highly likely to be mafia. If we can flip someone today it probably should be him.
How do you figure?

Deduction. I think below sorta is a good basis for solving further.

Two mafia between you, Dunya, 112, JPIC, Hollowkatt.

1 between Enrique/Falcon.

I think 112 is town for bad reasons. HK is pretty ok. JPIC has been pushed a lot and probably by wolves.

I have little reason to feel good about you.

#2409

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:21 pm All that must be done today (with respect to voting) is make sure the top lynch candidates are left without a vote. I say pick a three or four person pool to leave without a vote. These are the least trustworthy.

The more I think about it, the more I think this mechanic is mafia initiated. It basically gives mafia control of the poll unless civilians mitigate it. Mafia can cover themselves, after all.

Still, we should decide which handful of people should be without a vote.

I agree.

#2410

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:20 pm I'd be happy with Joseph, 112, or Urist as the yeet today.

Okay why x 3?

#2411

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:21 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:14 pm I think LC is highly likely to be mafia. If we can flip someone today it probably should be him.
How do you figure?
Deduction. I think below sorta is a good basis for solving further.

Two mafia between you, Dunya, 112, JPIC, Hollowkatt.

1 between Enrique/Falcon.

I think 112 is town for bad reasons. HK is pretty ok. JPIC has been pushed a lot and probably by wolves.

I have little reason to feel good about you.

Why those delineations?

#2412

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:21 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:14 pm I think LC is highly likely to be mafia. If we can flip someone today it probably should be him.
How do you figure?
Deduction. I think below sorta is a good basis for solving further.

Two mafia between you, Dunya, 112, JPIC, Hollowkatt.

1 between Enrique/Falcon.

I think 112 is town for bad reasons. HK is pretty ok. JPIC has been pushed a lot and probably by wolves.

I have little reason to feel good about you.
Why those delineations?

Falcon and Enri pushed on each other in a non w/w manner.

The rest is remainder of PoE.

#2413

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:20 pm I'd be happy with Joseph, 112, or Urist as the yeet today.

two lies and a truth?

#2414

Whom do you trust, LC?

#2415

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:21 pm All that must be done today (with respect to voting) is make sure the top lynch candidates are left without a vote. I say pick a three or four person pool to leave without a vote. These are the least trustworthy.

The more I think about it, the more I think this mechanic is mafia initiated. It basically gives mafia control of the poll unless civilians mitigate it. Mafia can cover themselves, after all.

Still, we should decide which handful of people should be without a vote.

Yes, it's ludicrously mafia-sided. It's probably impossible to execute mafia today, unless we can hit a pair.

I think the most ideal system is to have a list of everyone from towniest to scummiest. The scummiest votes for the 2nd scummiest, etc etc. The most townie player (Epi) votes for the 2nd towniesg and gets voted by the 2nd and 3rd towniest.
I think this system has the fewest loopholes for mafia to screw us, while giving us a decent amount of control over the PoE. Thoughts?

#2416

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:21 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:14 pm I think LC is highly likely to be mafia. If we can flip someone today it probably should be him.
How do you figure?
Deduction. I think below sorta is a good basis for solving further.

Two mafia between you, Dunya, 112, JPIC, Hollowkatt.

1 between Enrique/Falcon.

I think 112 is town for bad reasons. HK is pretty ok. JPIC has been pushed a lot and probably by wolves.

I have little reason to feel good about you.

two between me, dunya, 112, jpic, lc; subtract me and jpic = lc, 112, dunya. Of those, 112 seems the most sus to me. Dunya I hope to have more on today. LC feels ok to me? otoh my reads are bad stop sheeping me.

#2417

I also have 112 as town for absolutely horrendous reasons.

#2418

If 112 is mafia then it's literally with just Wilgy and Enrique.

#2419

Okay I have flipped the board.

HK, Dunya and Wilgy wolves.

Dunya is wolf in every world.

#2420

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:43 pm Okay I have flipped the board.

HK, Dunya and Wilgy wolves.

Dunya is wolf in every world.

someone gave me a neighborhood with Dunya last night

#2421

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:43 pm Okay I have flipped the board.

HK, Dunya and Wilgy wolves.

Dunya is wolf in every world.
someone gave me a neighborhood with Dunya last night

Was it Dunya herself?

That would make sense with what she tried to target me with n1.

In which case that's confirmation you aren't partnered.

#2422

Probably means Dunya is town.

Noose tightens.

#2423

I don’t believe Dunya would risk night chatting with me n1 as wolf tbqh.

#2424

Wilgy is just mafia here?

#2425

I really hated how I felt like I was getting through to hk in making her realize that ted was town at the end of yesterday, only to have her turn around and vote him anyway. She looked through his iso and didn't find anything recent to back up her read on ted. But then she turned around and called him lock scum anyway. I think the lack of flexibility / elasticity of her reads is wolfy.

#2426

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:50 pm I really hated how I felt like I was getting through to hk in making her realize that ted was town at the end of yesterday, only to have her turn around and vote him anyway. She looked through his iso and didn't find anything recent to back up her read on ted. But then she turned around and called him lock scum anyway. I think the lack of flexibility / elasticity of her reads is wolfy.

But Epi also town so unless JPIC is wolf then its >rand town behaviour to be scummy in that scenario.

#2427

JPIC is probably mafia tho.

#2428

JPIC, HK, Wilgy maybe.

#2429

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:48 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:43 pm Okay I have flipped the board.

HK, Dunya and Wilgy wolves.

Dunya is wolf in every world.
someone gave me a neighborhood with Dunya last night
Was it Dunya herself?

That would make sense with what she tried to target me with n1.

In which case that's confirmation you aren't partnered.

I don't actually know who, and she hasn't shown up yet. Originally I was just going to sit on that (had hinted with my "try to solve Dunya today" post) but then figured if I just out maybe it helps solve things for others

#2430

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:50 pm I really hated how I felt like I was getting through to hk in making her realize that ted was town at the end of yesterday, only to have her turn around and vote him anyway. She looked through his iso and didn't find anything recent to back up her read on ted. But then she turned around and called him lock scum anyway. I think the lack of flexibility / elasticity of her reads is wolfy.

No, I looked through his ISO and didn't see what i thought was there in being defensive. I was still dialed in on the mana conversation from earlier.

#2431

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:51 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:50 pm I really hated how I felt like I was getting through to hk in making her realize that ted was town at the end of yesterday, only to have her turn around and vote him anyway. She looked through his iso and didn't find anything recent to back up her read on ted. But then she turned around and called him lock scum anyway. I think the lack of flexibility / elasticity of her reads is wolfy.
But Epi also town so unless JPIC is wolf then its >rand town behaviour to be scummy in that scenario.

Yeah that's true, if hk is a wolf then she could just switch her vote to Epi there and then save her tunnel target for another day.
I wouldn't be totally shocked if jpic were a wolf but I agree with you on it probably not being the case.

I think you mentioned a town read on falcon right? Can you walk me through that? I didn't like his play much yesterday.

#2432

@Mac dunya crumbed neighborizor yesterday. If she was blocked there's really nothing other than her word on whether she actually tried to target you (and why didn't she target you again?)

#2433

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:00 pm @Mac dunya crumbed neighborizor yesterday. If she was blocked there's really nothing other than her word on whether she actually tried to target you (and why didn't she target you again?)

guess it's time to read Dunya ISO isn't it?

#2434

dunya was the winner of the Marmot / Epi lottery yesterday. Six mana to dunya.

#2435

I am so so happy with how I used my ability last night. Most protown thing I've done all game.

#2436

Wilgy is just overtly mafia tho.

#2437

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:55 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:42 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:20 pm Mac is mafia. Dont vote today for that guy.

Hollowkatt is too.

I’ve been marked and i can only post 10 times today. So im gonna dip out.
I'm not tho
I absolutely am not mafia. I thought Marmot and Epi were outed at EOD but clearly not. Good show.

I received two artifacts overnight. I received no additional mana so was unable to boost my thingy. One of my artifacts adds two votes to a named player and that player is Guillo. The other is a thopter and I have nfi what it does.

I received a similar artifact, my vote counts as three if I vote for Macdougall.

#2438

Those of you receiving votes boosts...it's a reverse poll day. I don't think those boosts apply. Confer with your host.

#2439

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:15 pm Wilgy is just overtly mafia tho.

How? PoE?

#2440

I'd like to see a vote on HK. I don't think HK is mafia.

#2441

@Guillotine if you like to eat poop just don't respond to this and we'll get the idea

#2442

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:15 pm Wilgy is just overtly mafia tho.
How? PoE?

His play

#2443

What we need is a list of trustworthy individuals. People who under no circumstances should be killed today.

If you nominate someone, you need to be able to show why you believe that person is a civilian.

Than all that's required is we coordinate votes accordingly and make mafia shoot among the elimination pool.

#2444

Can we please please try to get the votes into a solid configuration with at least a few hours to spare? If we try to scramble at deadline, the mafia will get license to do whatever and we'll probably end up with a really dumb yeeting.

I'm going to cover Mac today. I've been mind melding with him on a lot of stuff and I think he's probably town.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

#2445

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:24 pm Can we please please try to get the votes into a solid configuration with at least a few hours to spare? If we try to scramble at deadline, the mafia will get license to do whatever and we'll probably end up with a really dumb yeeting.

I'm going to cover Mac today. I've been mind melding with him on a lot of stuff and I think he's probably town.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

I am coordinating just that.

I want to stab Mac with an ice pick.

But okay.

#2446

So the Maf are cool with letting player's town clear each other? Huh.

Ya, Epi & Guillo both scum for me.

#2447

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:25 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:24 pm Can we please please try to get the votes into a solid configuration with at least a few hours to spare? If we try to scramble at deadline, the mafia will get license to do whatever and we'll probably end up with a really dumb yeeting.

I'm going to cover Mac today. I've been mind melding with him on a lot of stuff and I think he's probably town.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine
I am coordinating just that.

I want to stab Mac with an ice pick.

But okay.

You still think I am mafia? That's a shame.

#2448

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:25 pm So the Maf are cool with letting player's town clear each other? Huh.

Ya, Epi & Guillo both scum for me.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

#2449

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:25 pm So the Maf are cool with letting player's town clear each other? Huh.

Ya, Epi & Guillo both scum for me.

I'm fine letting Falcon sit outside the circle of friends.

#2450

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:26 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:25 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:24 pm Can we please please try to get the votes into a solid configuration with at least a few hours to spare? If we try to scramble at deadline, the mafia will get license to do whatever and we'll probably end up with a really dumb yeeting.

I'm going to cover Mac today. I've been mind melding with him on a lot of stuff and I think he's probably town.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine
I am coordinating just that.

I want to stab Mac with an ice pick.

But okay.
You still think I am mafia? That's a shame.

No, I didn't say I think you are mafia.