The Syndicate

Good luck everyone. Yeah Long Con, GoT is always a pleasure.

I could have saved myself with just a vote. Damn Game of Thrones.

sig wrote:Did nero have this many votes in Arkham when he was lynched?

Since it seems like he has lots of votes and not really any push to stop him from getting lynched. Having said this I could see his teammates especially a player like Ika bussing him.

Are you saying you think Im being bussed? Im not being bussed, just mislynched and its unsettling how many people are fine with it. I guess I should have amped up my civvieness to avoid it but I have honestly had trouble generating well-documented reads. Failing to tone-read correctly got people mislynched and it sucks to be a part of that.

If I do ultimately get lynched tonight, I want you guys to make use of my death and catch some scum. Otherwise this game is just going to be sad.

Im not sure about them anymore.

sig wrote:I'm fine with the Nero lynch though the amount of votes makes me think we might not be hitting mafia. I'll be voting for Ika atm.

Ika ain´t mafia either. Just saying.

I can´t even steer this wagon away from me. Too many people following through without prior suspicion of me. Those are the people you guys should go after when I get mislynched. You still have the choice to move away from me but I will be damned if you don´t use my death for anything. This massive wagon is guaranteed to have mafia on it.

CFD Sorsha anyone? Sorsha Her vote for me is fishy and she is flying too low.

Yuck, people are voting for me.

Im getting suspicious of Sorsha. She is wallflowering and it doesn´t look good. Matt is also being weird - Im leaning scum on these two.

Tbh I find it weird that Wilgy listed me. I don´t have BTSC with anyone of any alignment. I think it was more of a scum read from him, and not an indicator of how his role worked out.

I blamed you a little but I was wrong, since I had misinterpreted your statement. See above, I explained it earlier.

Im still suspicious of you on a tone level. You seem too calculated.

Well, I was only moderately suspicious of you before Wilgy got lynched. You are a scum read for me now

I fully believed that Wilgy was scum before he was lynched

Wait... I have misinterpreted that. Sig is asking me to vote for him along with Wilgy, not the opposite.

sig wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:Wilgy gunning out reads the moment he comes under suspicion.
Yes agreed one of which is me, who is an easy person to say is mafia and not big deal when I flip civ. Wanna vote for me with him?

This is what Im referring to.

Epignosis wrote:Is Nerolunar the lynch tomorrow?

Nope. I didn´t slip before. You guys made it seem like Wilgys reads were only on mafia, which is odd since he checks both civ and baddie BTSC apparently. I got confused for a moment

My scum reads are: Scotty, Sig, Lorab

My civ reads are: Ika, Epignosis

Sig probably only started the wagon on Wilgy to save himself

Im cursing myself for following through with it at his suggestion. I don´t trust you anymore Sig.

BTSC could also be civ, right?

EBWOP nevermind, Wilgy is leading.

I wish more people were here. Too many small wagons that can be tied and manipulated.

Wilgy selfvoted.

Im having doubts already lol. Wouldn´t his teammates be stopping him in BTSC?

sig wrote:okay.

Don´t you think so?

I suspect Scotty, but I just won´t lynch someone who can´t defend himself. That would be really shitty.

Scotty is silenced and can´t defend himself.

sig wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:Wilgy gunning out reads the moment he comes under suspicion.
Yes agreed one of which is me, who is an easy person to say is mafia and not big deal when I flip civ. Wanna vote for me with him?

I suspect you, but I suspect him even more. Fine with me. This Lorab vote aint going anywhere.

DrWilgy

Wilgy gunning out reads the moment he comes under suspicion.

DrWilgy wrote:Hmm... in that case I'm always mafia

Is spending 3 cycles doing barely anything normal to you? You seemed more active in Arkham despite only living for 1-2 days. Can´t remember the exact time.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hey Nerolunar, after you found out that Scotty might be silenced, why did vote for LoRab and not sig?

I think she is more suspicous than Sig. Lorab did still spend lots of time defending herself and holding back reads, and has only recently gotten into the game - I think she is actively cleaning up, making us forget why we were suspicious of her in the fisrt place. Sig is a different case - his playstyle differs on a tone level but Im less sure about him. Going forward I will be willing to vote for him, but right now Lorab is the more suspicious imo.

Scotty is silenced? didn´t realize that before someone pointed it out. I think its kinda shitty to vote for a silenced person so I will move my vote.

Lorab

Suspicion still lingers from yesterday. I feel like she is currently trying to clean it up but so far Im not convinced.

Im more inclined to lynch Scotty this phase as I find him to be the most suspicious right now. I won´t oppose Lorab either.

thellama73 wrote:I'm putting my vote on Scotty for now. The more I think about him, the more I suspect he's been flying under the radar this whole time.

I feel you.

Scotty

What is Matt doing this game?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:I could see Sig being bad tbh. Im not that used to his meta, but so far he seems more calculated than usual. Scotty too has this manipulative/calculated vibe. They are not acting the way they did in Turf Wars at least - what do you guys think of this?

I wouldn´t lynch Ika. He is a solid townread for me, as is Epignosis.
He doesn't seem calculated at all to me. Long Con is someone who I would call calculated and that isn't unique to this game.

How would you describe their behavior in Turf Wars? What were their alignments and that game?

Scotty was way more laid back and Sig was being very messy, although he did receive heat by everyone. They were both civs.

Yeah I dont think we should rule out Lorab either.

I could see Sig being bad tbh. Im not that used to his meta, but so far he seems more calculated than usual. Scotty too has this manipulative/calculated vibe. They are not acting the way they did in Turf Wars at least - what do you guys think of this?

I wouldn´t lynch Ika. He is a solid townread for me, as is Epignosis.

sig wrote:I hear people wanting to CFD, I don't like CFDs.

@Nero why do you want to switch and who if you could pick would it be.

I didn´t. Polo did.

Linki wait WHAT

Polo wrote:
ika wrote:
Polo wrote:
ika wrote:read the end of your post i quoted, you said "IF I FLIP CIV"

You know ika, your attitude in this game is very different from EST mafia. You've been much more aggressive. What happened?
....

tell me how i was not aggresive in there?

like my town play is agressive, scum me tends to eb more passive
Not agressive =/= passive. You were actively defensive on EST mafia.

Epi, I don't know if this is the right time to explain why I think Daisy is civ.

I'm not sure if we should really lynch Lorab, considering her last visit was 14 hours ago. I'm kinda scared of the possibility of her being a doctor, but man we pooped badly by lynching Bubbles/Bea for her absence and the fact that she was urgently replaced. Damnit, this is difficult.

I can see why you are wary. Who would you like to lynch then? If you want to turn a wagon around, this is the time to do it.

Epignosis wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:I would prefer it to be more than one person.

Don´t you agree with my policy? We can discuss it if you want.
You said "someone."

But very well. How is it preferable for more than one unknown person to break the tie as opposed to one confirmed civilian?

Because there are only 3 baddies and lots of civilians. If the lead on a lynch is significant enough the 3 baddies shouldn´t be a problem.

What word should I have used instead? I thought "someone" could both be singular and plural

Do you prefer ties? If so, why?

I would prefer it to be more than one person.

Don´t you agree with my policy? We can discuss it if you want.

Matt wrote:Yesterday DF almost died. Today he has no votes.

Nero, sig - Do you no longer find DF suss?

Also, Nero - Can't really put my finger on it wrt Illy. I felt she was asking too many questions in thread about stuff like the OT button.

I also think if one of Lorab/ika are bad, then we should check out the other.

Not currently voting for her, but I'm not opposed, at all, to a Daisy lynch.

He is back to a null for me.

Someone break the tie. It grinds my gears when democratic principles are neglected like this

Fuck the tiebreaker, go for a majority vote please. Its bad policy to let ONE player decide, and not the majority.

Matt wrote:Oh snap, was that siggy who said that? Haha.

Either way, I think Lorab's a good lynch. I think Illy is a super good lynch.

Why do you feel that way about Illyria? I have yet to see her post anything useful, which is probably one of your reasons.

Illyria who are you voting for?

Fair enough. Lorab looks worse to me now. Keeping you around will at least be helpful

Lorab

Spacedaisy wrote:Nero, my vindictiveness said I want him lynched next if I die but if you read through you will see I'm not advising any civs to actually vote for llama.

But you are not sold on him being bad yet still wants him lynched although only if you get lynched.

Nice case, Epi. My vote can easily go there depending on how this plays out.

Spacedaisy wrote:No, I don't think llama is bad. But I still would like to see you all lynch him when I flip civ. Vindictive of me isn't it? I want him to deal with what I've had to deal with. I'm also not saying I believe he is good. He is the person I feel the least confident about, but I still think he is probably civ.

I don't want to lynch llama if I am not being lynched. But if I get lynched because of his case against me then I want him to be lynched as well, it is purely spiteful vindictiveness. I want him to have to argue against a silly case.

If you are asking the good little civ in me, then I don't recommend it. My vote on him just makes me feel better. I'll likely move it later to try and save myself. I'm just not leaving it on Scotty.

Wait what.

This is an even worse reason to lynch someone than the one people have against you. Winning the game should be all civs end goal, not getting revenge for a mislynch. If you really insist that you are civ you need to actually show that your mindset is that of a civ. Claiming civ over and over and then spouting this - Im not convinced.

Your lack of scum reads doesn´t look good in my book either. How are you going to present an alternative? I guess you have been busy defending yourself bu surely you must have some idea of who is likely to be scum.

Daisy

Polo wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:
sig wrote:Okay so I didn't mention this since I didn't want to be killed. But, I think there is a good chance mafia Ika killed Silver. Here me out, she can read him almost 100% it would make perfect sense for mafia Ika and/or his teammates to want her dead. This is compounded by Llama's post about how Ika is lock cleared town. I'm thinking a possibly Ika/Llama team.

I'll look more into this tomorrow.

Ika is off the poll today though, so that won't be happening.
Naaah Ika ain´t bad. You may be.

Polo
May I ask why?

Pressure. You reacted calmly, not what I had expected from a new player

@Sig: I have a very strong townread on Ika, thats all.

sig wrote:Okay so I didn't mention this since I didn't want to be killed. But, I think there is a good chance mafia Ika killed Silver. Here me out, she can read him almost 100% it would make perfect sense for mafia Ika and/or his teammates to want her dead. This is compounded by Llama's post about how Ika is lock cleared town. I'm thinking a possibly Ika/Llama team.

I'll look more into this tomorrow.

Ika is off the poll today though, so that won't be happening.

Naaah Ika ain´t bad. You may be.

Polo

Excellent!

About tieing a lynch:

Sure, the mechanic that a civ can decide it is great, but I would much rather avoid ties overall. That´s just my policy.

Spacedaisy wrote:No, this is not at all what happened in Turf Wars. What happened there is the baddies sat back and let you go after each other because that's all the civs did for most of the game. Nothing like what llama is suggesting I am doing.

We spent too much time talking about certain people, Sig was one of them. He was a lynch priority for a long time, and we kept talking it over. Its not the exact same, but the similarities are still there.

thellama73 wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Llama: What reason would lead a baddie to try and keep the civs from lynching another civ?
DF has ben up for a lynch twice in a row now. The longer he stay alive, the longer he will keep dominating the conversation and drawing votes. If he dies, the people who suspect him will be forced to look elsewhere, maybe at the real baddies. Keeping a civ who keeps almost getting lynched alive is immensely beneficial to the mafia.

Good point. Thats sort-of what happened in Turf Wars with Sig.

Crap.

I was in a hurry to leave and forgot to move my vote away from DF. Bubbles got lynched though anyway

I don´t trust our tiebreaker to do his job. Putting a lynch result in the hands of one single player is a bad policy, so I think we should try to avoid ties going forward.

Polo looks bad - speculating on game mechanics and roles instead of actually contributing looks like effort but really isn´t. I know he is new and all, but its not an argument he can use to make us not suspect him.

Still feeling pretty good about Ika. He should spellcheck his posts though, Im having trouble reading what he writes.

Long Con wrote:
Polo wrote:EBWOP, because there's two more scenarios that I hadn't thought of previously:

Lady Rose MacClare was talked out of acting on Night 1 because Lady Mary Crawley used her power on Rose;
Lady Rose MacClare had her action redirected to Silverwolf.
James Kent seems like the same kind of role as well:

"James flirts with his target each night, making him or her forget to do anything at night. " Sounds like a role block.

Are you James Kent?

Okay with Bubbles and Sig voting DF for shallow reasons(and myself too, to a degree I will admit) Im thinking about backing off of him. If Matt has not responded to his accusers by the time I leave for a party later this afternoon my vote will go there. I think Ika is the one who is silenced, otherwise he would have posted by now.

Granted, I did understand his point about being wary of wagons but he looks so much like Arkham - thats the main driving force. Sorry if I'm being confusing about this.

Not my train of thought. I felt null-bad about both DF and BWT yesterday, but ended up on BWT because he didnt defend himself at all.

Im not going to continue this procedure all game

Fair enough.

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