The Syndicate

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:47 pm

My Shell wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:29 pm I think it does have a chance from my pov yes but I would include Akemi.

Just when I was coming around to you being Town

MartinWP69
2
25%
Voters: Quokka, nutellaphant

My Shell
1
13%
Voters: 1337

nutellaphant
3
38%
Voters: Akemi Homura, Fuskdall, My Shell

Quokka
2
25%
Voters: MartinWP69, Maid
No

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:38 pm

Maid wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:37 pm After I found out that Martin had a reasoning, I think I can see this as an attempt to solve.

Why did you think I didn't have a reason yesterday?

Quokka wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:16 am I really don't understand this exchange between Maid and Martin so I'm just going to write them down as not wolves together :P

Fuskdall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:13 am Whether Nutella is a wolf or not is irrelevant to the analysis. It is in the scum team’s interest to keep her alive

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:03 am

Maid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:06 pm

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:44 pm

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:43 pm nothing paprika has done today has really swayed me on them either, but I didn't manage to read the last few pages in-depth.

Paprika's eod was fine.

One of you or My Shell was saved yesterday, if you're town, find scum in My Shell.

Is this what I think it is? Because if it is I want to wolf read this mindset.

What?

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:53 am

Maid wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:50 am

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:49 am

Maid wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:48 am

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:15 am

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:03 am Day 1
Boringboi [5]: My Shell, Quokka, PonySparkPrime, Maid, dodo
nutellaphant [5]: Fuskdall, MartinWP69, NurseWilgy, Boringboi, Akemi Homura
dodo [1]: 1337
My Shell [1]: Paprika
NurseWilgy [1]: nutellaphant

Day 2
Paprika [4]: NurseWilgy, 1337, My Shell, nutellaphent
nutellaphant [4]: Akemi Homura, MartinWP69, Fuskdall, Quokka
Akemi Homura [2]: Maid, PonySparkPrime
My Shell [1]: Paprika

Voted for nutellaphant twice:
Fuskdall, Martin, Akemi Homura

Voted for nutellaphent once:
Quokka, NurseWilgy, Boringboi

Voted main counterwagon to nutellaphant twice:
My Shell

Voted main counterwagon to nutellaphant once:
Quokka, PonySparkPrime, Maid, dodo, NurseWilgy, 1337, nutellaphant

Voted away from two main wagons once:
1337, Maid, PonySparkPrime, nutellaphant

Voted away from two main wagons both times:
Paprika

Has not voted for nutellaphant (living players):
1337, Maid, My Shell, [nutellaphant], PonySparkPrime

Don't lie, is bad luck, I voted for Nutphant but I went for my first scum read.
You are talking like you know Nutphant is mafia and I wamt to know why.

I'm not.

So what kind of analysis you made? Use a proper reasoning.

No judgment.

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:54 am

Maid wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:51 am Martin are you high?

Negative.

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:54 am

Maid wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:51 am

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:50 am

Maid wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:49 am

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:34 am

Maid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:06 pm

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:44 pm
Paprika's eod was fine.

One of you or My Shell was saved yesterday, if you're town, find scum in My Shell.

Is this what I think it is? Because if it is I want to wolf read this mindset.

Maid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:07 pm [VOTE: Akemi] aubergine

Mafia

Explain

You.

Me what?

Explain.

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:50 am

Maid wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:49 am

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:34 am

Maid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:06 pm

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:44 pm

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:43 pm nothing paprika has done today has really swayed me on them either, but I didn't manage to read the last few pages in-depth.

Paprika's eod was fine.

One of you or My Shell was saved yesterday, if you're town, find scum in My Shell.

Is this what I think it is? Because if it is I want to wolf read this mindset.

Maid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:07 pm [VOTE: Akemi] aubergine

Mafia

Explain

You.

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:49 am

Maid wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:48 am

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:15 am

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:03 am Day 1
Boringboi [5]: My Shell, Quokka, PonySparkPrime, Maid, dodo
nutellaphant [5]: Fuskdall, MartinWP69, NurseWilgy, Boringboi, Akemi Homura
dodo [1]: 1337
My Shell [1]: Paprika
NurseWilgy [1]: nutellaphant

Day 2
Paprika [4]: NurseWilgy, 1337, My Shell, nutellaphent
nutellaphant [4]: Akemi Homura, MartinWP69, Fuskdall, Quokka
Akemi Homura [2]: Maid, PonySparkPrime
My Shell [1]: Paprika

Voted for nutellaphant twice:
Fuskdall, Martin, Akemi Homura

Voted for nutellaphent once:
Quokka, NurseWilgy, Boringboi

Voted main counterwagon to nutellaphant twice:
My Shell

Voted main counterwagon to nutellaphant once:
Quokka, PonySparkPrime, Maid, dodo, NurseWilgy, 1337, nutellaphant

Voted away from two main wagons once:
1337, Maid, PonySparkPrime, nutellaphant

Voted away from two main wagons both times:
Paprika

Has not voted for nutellaphant (living players):
1337, Maid, My Shell, [nutellaphant], PonySparkPrime

Don't lie, is bad luck, I voted for Nutphant but I went for my first scum read.
You are talking like you know Nutphant is mafia and I wamt to know why.

I'm not.

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:34 am

Maid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:06 pm

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:44 pm

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:43 pm nothing paprika has done today has really swayed me on them either, but I didn't manage to read the last few pages in-depth.

Paprika's eod was fine.

One of you or My Shell was saved yesterday, if you're town, find scum in My Shell.

Is this what I think it is? Because if it is I want to wolf read this mindset.

Maid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:07 pm [VOTE: Akemi] aubergine

Mafia

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:15 am

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:03 am Day 1
Boringboi [5]: My Shell, Quokka, PonySparkPrime, Maid, dodo
nutellaphant [5]: Fuskdall, MartinWP69, NurseWilgy, Boringboi, Akemi Homura
dodo [1]: 1337
My Shell [1]: Paprika
NurseWilgy [1]: nutellaphant

Day 2
Paprika [4]: NurseWilgy, 1337, My Shell, nutellaphent
nutellaphant [4]: Akemi Homura, MartinWP69, Fuskdall, Quokka
Akemi Homura [2]: Maid, PonySparkPrime
My Shell [1]: Paprika

Voted for nutellaphant twice:
Fuskdall, Martin, Akemi Homura

Voted for nutellaphent once:
Quokka, NurseWilgy, Boringboi

Voted main counterwagon to nutellaphant twice:
My Shell

Voted main counterwagon to nutellaphant once:
Quokka, PonySparkPrime, Maid, dodo, NurseWilgy, 1337, nutellaphant

Voted away from two main wagons once:
1337, Maid, PonySparkPrime, nutellaphant

Voted away from two main wagons both times:
Paprika

Has not voted for nutellaphant (living players):
1337, Maid, My Shell, [nutellaphant], PonySparkPrime

1337 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:45 pm

Maid wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:34 pm

1337 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:37 pm

Fuskdall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:33 pm

1337 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:00 am

Quokka wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:40 am 1312 where did you get the idea that Made claimed Vigilante from? I searched the thread for "vigilante" because of what Michelle said but the only mentions I could find of Vigilante are from her.

He sifted it extremelly hard and I commented on it at the time he said something like "I have a really good role that my reads to be perfect for" etc

worth going back to this. my personal read was something that would require him to know true id's.

Feel like at this point you could know personal IDs if you really wanted to, but seems like a weird luck based role that idk if I would believe. Regardless I kind of get the impression maid is somewhat inexperienced and potentially just inexperienced town, no idea who is who behind the rp though, just the impression I get from their play this game?

If you think the playerslist has any inexperienced townie, please let me know who you are talking about.

You lmao

1337 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:00 pm It would be great to know who you guys are talking about but we should be voting my shell here anyways trust me I will CARRY YOU

1337 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:37 pm

Fuskdall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:33 pm

1337 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:00 am

Quokka wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:40 am 1312 where did you get the idea that Made claimed Vigilante from? I searched the thread for "vigilante" because of what Michelle said but the only mentions I could find of Vigilante are from her.

He sifted it extremelly hard and I commented on it at the time he said something like "I have a really good role that my reads to be perfect for" etc

worth going back to this. my personal read was something that would require him to know true id's.

Feel like at this point you could know personal IDs if you really wanted to, but seems like a weird luck based role that idk if I would believe. Regardless I kind of get the impression maid is somewhat inexperienced and potentially just inexperienced town, no idea who is who behind the rp though, just the impression I get from their play this game?

Fuskdall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:33 pm

1337 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:00 am

Quokka wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:40 am 1312 where did you get the idea that Made claimed Vigilante from? I searched the thread for "vigilante" because of what Michelle said but the only mentions I could find of Vigilante are from her.

He sifted it extremelly hard and I commented on it at the time he said something like "I have a really good role that my reads to be perfect for" etc

worth going back to this. my personal read was something that would require him to know true id's.

Fuskdall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:24 pm Okay where’s Sloonei

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:33 pm

Maid wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:18 am What would be the chance for all 3 to be in this wagon?

nutellaphant
4
67%
Voters: Akemi Homura, Quokka, Fuskdall, My Shell

why do you think this?

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:16 pm

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:08 pm TonysSexyPajamas here, who blocked me

The vig was blocked today too.

nutellaphant
4
67%
Voters: Akemi Homura, Quokka, Fuskdall, My Shell

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:52 am

Spoiler: show

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:21 am Hard claim Mason with tutuu. Sheep us for the glory.

LC's entrance is incredibly town.

I was roleplaying, to a T, on day 1 and the jury didn't vote me. They suck. :P

But the fact that Dusk just went along with it till now makes me feel they have very high w equity with nutella.

1337 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:00 am

Quokka wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:40 am 1312 where did you get the idea that Made claimed Vigilante from? I searched the thread for "vigilante" because of what Michelle said but the only mentions I could find of Vigilante are from her.

He sifted it extremelly hard and I commented on it at the time he said something like "I have a really good role that my reads to be perfect for" etc

1337 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:06 pm Also I am very concerned over the fact no one has tried kill me yet, it's kinda weird no?

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:12 pm

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:44 pm

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:43 pm nothing paprika has done today has really swayed me on them either, but I didn't manage to read the last few pages in-depth.

Paprika's eod was fine.

One of you or My Shell was saved yesterday, if you're town, find scum in My Shell.

this is pretty contrived no, telling someone to go read someone else as scum

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:44 pm

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:43 pm nothing paprika has done today has really swayed me on them either, but I didn't manage to read the last few pages in-depth.

Paprika's eod was fine.

One of you or My Shell was saved yesterday, if you're town, find scum in My Shell.

nutellaphant
4
36%
Voters: Maid, Akemi Homura, MartinWP69, Quokka
Paprika
4
36%
Voters: NurseWilgy, 1337, My Shell, nutellaphant

My Shell wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:02 am

Maid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:00 am

My Shell wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:39 am

Maid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:37 am Second, reading the day 1 without checking who is dead and what roles are flipped affects the accuracy of the reads, what kind of villager do that?

I personally don't agree, think it is productive to get the natural ideas of what you would think at the time without later biased knowledge

I see it as useless, ignoring the flips when you can check behaviour towards these slots and/or what they posted is not good enough, especially in Dodo's case who protected someone and is hard to observe whom, but if you read the day with the info of them being BG you may have a better perspective, right?

Yes but can always read back and get that perspective later as does everyone else, when you are new to game is nice to have unbiased perspective like everyone else did at the time.

My Shell wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:39 am

Maid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:37 am Second, reading the day 1 without checking who is dead and what roles are flipped affects the accuracy of the reads, what kind of villager do that?

I personally don't agree, think it is productive to get the natural ideas of what you would think at the time without later biased knowledge

Paprika wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:06 am @Maid

Pink - How do you know Nutphant is a miss?

Both were misses,

in my opinion, because

2) @Quokka mentioned how nutella was going to be a miss because the EoD was not active enough so means that werewolves were comfortable with the bw on nutella

--------------------------

Purple - I didn't think at this, did you?

or no nutella was the one that pointed it out, lol i mixed up the person who accused me. oops sorry
@nutellaphant (cough)

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:26 am *intentionally mind you. that seems to be the part you think is worse

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:03 am i'm going to put my full catchup in a spoiler, because i don't think people want to be smacked by a wall.

Spoiler: show

martin’s first post rubs me the wrong way. reads as overly formal and like the kind of thing a wolf would care about. “make sure you do not misunderstand my reads this game.” that being his first thought is especially concerning
ponysparkprime seems to have the same idea as me very early and i like that. +1 townpoint for ponysparkprime
fuskdall seems very random from the get go… that doesn’t give me any impression about their alignment, really.
akemi’s first post is something very unlikely to come from mafia who has just started the game. (tying yourself to someone else with a mason claim) would easily be outed if fake, too.
maid questioning it instantly is probably nai, but i’m leaning mafia because of the attitude. the resistance to having two clears from the get go does seem more likely to come from mafia, and akemi points it out very quickly, too. i don’t really understand the nutella and psp reads, they seem to have come out of nowhere. not sure how my previous slot holder “outed themselves” on the first page.
my shell has the same thought about akemi’s reads, which makes me feel slightly better about my shell.
quokka’s posts… exist. that’s as much as i’m going to say about them for the time being.
1337’s first few posts are very obviously fabricated, and i feel like the trolly attitude could realistically come from either alignment. will have to wait for them to do something other than… this.
i like dodo on a tonal level, and that’s about as far as it goes.
slowly retracting my scumread on martinwp69 because it looks like the tonal thing is just their… thing, and not a sign of a bad entrance.
i actually like my shell voting 1337 after the miller claim. i also find it fishy, because they seem to be taking it seriously.
i don’t like 1337’s vote because it looks oppo-
thanks, martinwp69, very cool.
i actually really hate ponystarkprime claiming mason, come to think of it? the first time it was done, it read as genuine, and neither fuskdall nor akemi were wolfy up to page 2 (where i currently am). fuskdall also doesn’t seem to question it whatsoever, so that strengthens the claim (or makes them w/w, but i don’t find either of them independently wolfy). meanwhile psp is over here randomly claiming it with dodo, and then claiming cop. feels like trolling, but the kind of trolling that’s actively bothersome to town, and that’s why i think it’s mafia indicative.
i disagree with paprika that the miller claim was unlikely to come from mafia because it gathered too much attention. there might be a mechanical reason why they did this as scum, and claiming miller regardless of whether you’re actually a miller or just mafia always attracts attention. if they are new like they claimed, they wouldn’t know. and so, they wouldn’t be hesitant to claim if that was the wolf plan, because they wouldn’t know the consequences. and if they are lying about being new then 1. that’s very scummy and 2. could still claim miller as mafia, even with the attention being a factor.
i guess you could say that they’d discuss it in wolfchat, blah, blah, blah, but i’m not going to spend too much time on this. i just think it’s still a viable claim from scum here, and i wouldn’t dismiss that possibility so easily.
i also find it weird that paprika’s tying 1337 and maid together in their read, because i don’t think they should be tied together at all.
i find a lot of paprika’s posts weird. their approach to the game feels like they are trying to deepwolf. i can’t really explain it very well. posts like #141 where they question their townreads about scumreads on their other townreads feel exactly like the type of thing a wolf would do when they want to establish a consensus towncore with wolves in it, and as few villagers as possible. or it’s pockety.
i dislike the fact paprika is tying so many people together in their reads, because it’s dangerous to group people so much if you’re town. if you’re wrong on one, the likelihood of you being wrong on the other is higher, because you’re not looking at them independently.
i still like dodo’s posts on a tonal level and i like the fact they seem unconcerned about appearances. they seem excited and happy to be in this game and that’s always >rand v.
i’m also feeling slightly better about maid, but i’m not exactly sure why that is.
i’m not sure why everyone’s scumreading dodo, actually. i reach the conclusion they are town, and everyone else reaches the conclusion they are mafia. i don’t really see a problem with their posts, and their vote looked more memey / relaxed than opportunistic to me. that said, their reaction to being pushed didn’t sit right with me, but i still lean town.
#196 from martinwp69 is towny in a vacuum, but i feel like it’s just busywork that doesn’t amount to anything, and that’s scummy. his approach to the game rubs me the wrong way. he has these overly formal posts and “Theory Of Mafia” stuff that looks like it’s written to make him look town, not to solve the game. this post is one of them. i would townread it in a vacuum, but martinwp69 has been doing this all the time and it’s getting overwhelming.
i wish akemi actually explained their reads, because they aren’t doing that whatsoever.
akemi: “I wanted to vote for Maid, but TSP claimed a Day 0 Green Peak on them.”
there is no way we have both this and a mason pair in this game. akemi not noticing this despite claiming mason is kinda weird but i don’t think it’s scummy.
dodo’s reaction is my thoughts exactly. dodo is baffled that akemi believed psp. and that’s a completely valid thing to be baffled about. akemi should not have believed psp, given how the claims interact with one another. i still don’t know why people scumread dodo.
maid’s posts exist, but they don’t give me a read on them whatsoever. not sure what this means.
wilgy’s gimmick reads upon entering the thread read as >rand v, because a wolf probably wouldn’t want the possible negative attention from them at this point of the game. this is a thin read, though.
i also like the fact that wilgy agrees with me about dodo.
some of maid’s posts look a bit artificial, others don’t really make me scumread them. i know this is like, the third time i’m talking about maid and not making an alignment read, but their posts are so… boring. not so boring that they are mafia, but not good enough to deserve a townread.
i really like wilgy’s further posts about dodo. wilgy is town.
my shell trending down a little bit, but not enough to stop being town.
i also really like the posts from wilgy about… my slot. i’m town, so the read is wrong, but i like the thought process behind it and the justification for it. it felt very organic when i was reading it, as opposed to opportunistic or agenda-y.
boringboi666’s posts are… you guessed it. boring!
i actually agree with maid’s point that akemi’s readlist has one strange inconsistency – their mason partner isn’t at the top of the list. i’m assuming it’s because they tried to make people forget about it so mafia wouldn’t kill them? maybe? the alternative is that it’s just fake. i think they genuinely forgot that fuskdall was supposed to be their mason, but i’m not sure if that means the claim’s fake or that they are mafia. not all masons are very chatty with each other, even though akemi and fuskdall have both been active in thread.
“Yeah so I think there are wolves in Nutellaphant and Paprika. Let's vote there!”
Boringboi666. awful post for multiple reasons, the most important of them all being the fact that they create a random poe of two people and encourage town to vote there. feels like agenda. i wouldn’t even be surprised if one of their partners was in that group, should they be mafia.
still no read on quokka, not sure where people are getting their townreads on quokka from.
i actually dislike paprika’s #423, feels more like busywork rather than actual solving. i also think paprika’s tming martin town if paprika’s mafia, particularly due to their response to martin’s next few posts.
i actually like quokka’s posts on page 10 because they read as sufficiently pure. they are also correctly preventing my slot from being misdabbed, so i’m probably a bit biased here.
reading this eod, i don’t really understand the wagon on my slot. it doesn’t look like anyone has specific or even good reasons to vote there. quokka is correctly defending us and only wilgy ever shared an actual wolfcase. everyone else just kinda nodded and moved along. from my perspective, it looks like wolves piled on the misdab wagon because of wilgy’s case, which makes wilgy even more likely to be town.
the boringboi cfd also felt super wrong. it was so random, and everybody piled on it with little to no resistance other than from paprika. if boringboi’s mafia then the wolves probably have close to 0 way in the thread or are super bussy, otherwise this kind of thing simply doesn’t happen. paprika’s defense does feel a bit fishy though. it’s like they panicked about their buddy being wagoned and did their best to stop it.
food for thought.
it’s page 12 and i still don’t understand why martin’s scumreading my slot.
oh, boringboi flipped town. disregard my read on paprika’s defense, then.
and dodo is nightkilled town. expected. i actually think the nightkill makes the dodo pushers look better. if the dodo pushers were mafia, they would just not kill dodo and keep them alive as a misdab option. it’s always possible they changed their mind, but i find that unlikely.
i’m moving maid to my scumreads, because me not having a read on them by the end of day 1 is a bad sign.
this is my current list. some of this stuff is probably wrong, but hopefully at least the townreads are good.

Town:
wilgy (i townread this over the mason claims. i think this is the most villagery player in the game)
akemi homura (the more i think about it, the more the mason claim seems fake to me given the things akemi has done this game. i’m still townreading her and fuskdall independently from the mason claim, but that does trouble me.)
fuskdall (noting that this and akemi did not play like a mason pair whatsoever, or at least i did not get the impression that they did. they are independently towny though.)
dodo

quokka
null:
my shell (i don’t really know what to think after the eod. i think their posts have been somewhat underwhelming)

martin (not sure where paprika is seeing “obvious town” here honestly)
not town (unordered):
maid
psp
paprika

Paprika wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:54 pm

Maid wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:18 pm Votes after post 500

Spoiler: show

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:47 pm

dodo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:46 pm y'know what? let's have some fun

i think My Shell is town

[VOTE: dodo] aubergine

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:53 pm [VOTE: boring boy] aubergine

that was anything but boring

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:53 pm [VOTE: boringboi666] aubergine

My Shell wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:54 pm I am happy for boring boy CFD if I do not need self pres vote

[VOTE: boring boy] aubergine

Quokka wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:54 pm [VOTE: Boringboi666] aubergine

Maid wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:55 pm [VOTE: Boringboi666 ] aubergine

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:55 pm [VOTE: nutellaphant] aubergine

dodo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:56 pm [VOTE: boringboy] aubergine

i feel worst of him of the 3

The wagons at post 500 were
4 MyShell: Martin, Maid, Paprika, Quokka
4 Nutphant: Fusk, NurseW, BB, Akemi
Dodo had the vote on Paprika, ftr
And we had Dodo's wagon with MyShell, Quokka and Fusk earlier in the day.

Psp started the wagon on BB who gained traction verry fast.

I know for sure that I saw Nutphant at 6 or7 votes at a 2 votes distance from Boy, and I wanted to see if all the votes were expressed in the thread and check who was on Nutphant, but not all the votes were posted, someone voted just in the poll, switching votes.

The wagon who dissipated was MyShell's who self pressed in the new formed wagon.
Martin, me (Maid), Quokka and Dodo migrated on BB and later Martin on Nutphant.
Paprika stayed on MyShell.
I am impressed on how froze is Nutphant's wagon, maybe is because of the inactivity of some timezones at Eod?

Why did you choose the new formed wagon @My Shell?

Why, if you had cold feet for the BB wagon, you didn't vote to save him @Paprika ?

@MartinWP69 do you remember the wagons at the moment of your vote on Nutphant?

Who else remembers/noted the votes dynamics? Maybe I missed something in what I posted, I want feedback please.

I thought both of the players were going to be a sure miss,
1) werewolves would never allow boring to be pivoted with EoD because they were coasty
2) @Quokka mentioned how nutella was going to be a miss because the EoD was not active enough so means that werewolves were comfortable with the bw on nutella

Both were misses, that was why I strongly suggested for a pivot to MyShell who I had an actual reason to vote for.
- Eod Activity increased when two votes were on MyShell
- ISOs do not mention any sufficient scumcase on either of the pivots that they were willing to "self-pres" on.
- I felt like scumread me but then dropped it when there was a lack of traction ( you said "dodo or paprika has one werewolf", but never really pushed it or wanted to convince anyone)

I voted who I think is sus.


Do you really think I white-knighted both the low count post wagons?

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:01 am

My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:54 pm

My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:36 pm Nutella made notes before reading up to flips and typed her reaction to dodo being killed but did not acknowledge bodyguard reveal. She has dodo but not 1337 in summary list.

May be crazy theory but if she came in as wolf she may know original kill target but maybe tried to fake natural reaction to dodo dying and purposely analyze if it was mafia intended target and realizing bodyguard thing later. Can be real town POV but felt weird I feel experienced players notice implications of bodyguard dying especially when they were not a common town read player.

Also this may be silly to tie in 1337 bc not sure they would be likely target but is on mind.

Here is what I wish to be acknowledged

I think it's pretty tin-foily. Nutella did the same thing regarding boringboy, and added their death in the wallpost just like they did dodo's death: at the end of the reactions and the conclusion of the day.

My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:24 pm I voted boring wagon bc it felt right in the moment as they had a very wolfy pop in. But kind of regret the choice since maybe Nut was being saved.

NurseWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:09 pm

Maid wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:24 am

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:05 am forgot to remove dodo from my d1 reads.

When did you make the reads list?

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:05 am i made the readlist as i went and i updated it as my thoughts changed

Maid wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:59 pm I didn't have much time to analyze the game, but I had a question, and Nutellaphant's answer is not what I expected from a villager.

This looks like the definition of a playstyle difference, possibly NAI.