Doppelgangsters - Game Over - Town Wins

[Maid]

What would be the chance for all 3 to be in this wagon?

nutellaphant
4
67%
Voters: Akemi Homura, Quokka, Fuskdall, My Shell

[Fuskdall]

Spoiler: show

Hard claim Mason with tutuu. Sheep us for the glory.

LC's entrance is incredibly town.

I was roleplaying, to a T, on day 1 and the jury didn't vote me. They suck. :P

But the fact that Dusk just went along with it till now makes me feel they have very high w equity with nutella.

Role playing and FPSing in the same time.
Rescinding your claim after I pointed it out smh

day 0/1 obviously fake mason claims are currently in style

[Fuskdall]

Spoiler: show

Hard claim Mason with tutuu. Sheep us for the glory.

LC's entrance is incredibly town.

I was roleplaying, to a T, on day 1 and the jury didn't vote me. They suck. :P

But the fact that Dusk just went along with it till now makes me feel they have very high w equity with nutella.

like bs. "went along with it" didn't contradict an obviously fake mason claim? and how does that get you to high wolf equity with nutella? completely nonsensical

[Fuskdall]

What would be the chance for all 3 to be in this wagon?

nutellaphant
4
67%
Voters: Akemi Homura, Quokka, Fuskdall, My Shell

zero

[Fuskdall]

So it's one Martin/Alison

one of Michelle/Nutella

and the wildcard which I'm assigning to marmot for now because it just feels like it's there

which means okay maybe there are three but then there aren't three.

[Fuskdall]

oh it's tsp

[Fuskdall]

Leet thinks Nutella is town and I'm going to need explanation for that.

[Akemi Homura]

Spoiler: show

Hard claim Mason with tutuu. Sheep us for the glory.

LC's entrance is incredibly town.

I was roleplaying, to a T, on day 1 and the jury didn't vote me. They suck. :P

But the fact that Dusk just went along with it till now makes me feel they have very high w equity with nutella.

like bs. "went along with it" didn't contradict an obviously fake mason claim? and how does that get you to high wolf equity with nutella? completely nonsensical

Several people pointed it out (I can count at least 3), but no one actually cared about it. The mafia didn't kill either me nor you. Two days in a row. Since I know my rolecard and am town, it must mean you're mafia.

Pretty sure if memory serves me right nutella was the first one to point out my fakeclaim, but again went no where with it.

[Akemi Homura]

fuskdall and akemi being on the same wagon here seemingly at random is the most mason-indicative thing they have done this entire game, ama.

[1337]

Maid might actualy be town here

[PonySparkPrime]

TonysSexyPajamas here, who blocked me

[PonySparkPrime]

Nutella IS TOWN
Alison is TOWN

more reads to come tomorrow this game will be salvaged!

so every single day 2 wagon was townie, are we really that shit at this game?

[1337]

1312 where did you get the idea that Made claimed Vigilante from? I searched the thread for "vigilante" because of what Michelle said but the only mentions I could find of Vigilante are from her.

He sifted it extremelly hard and I commented on it at the time he said something like "I have a really good role that my reads to be perfect for" etc

There are another roles that requires perfect reads, right?
Wolves are rarely killing the town vig, they often misfire and maybe my reads were bad enough, we can think at the game from this perspective, if you thought I can be vig maybe wolves had the same idea...

If you think vig isn't super pro town then you haven't much experience with role power setups tbh, regardless of your game knowledge I'm sure at least one wolf is aware!

[Akemi Homura]

fuskdall seems very random from the get go… that doesn’t give me any impression about their alignment, really.

akemi’s first post is something very unlikely to come from mafia who has just started the game. (tying yourself to someone else with a mason claim) would easily be outed if fake, too.

i actually really hate ponystarkprime claiming mason, come to think of it? the first time it was done, it read as genuine, and neither fuskdall nor akemi were wolfy up to page 2 (where i currently am). fuskdall also doesn’t seem to question it whatsoever, so that strengthens the claim (or makes them w/w, but i don’t find either of them independently wolfy).

meanwhile psp is over here randomly claiming it with dodo, and then claiming cop. feels like trolling, but the kind of trolling that’s actively bothersome to town, and that’s why i think it’s mafia indicative.

i disagree with paprika that the miller claim was unlikely to come from mafia because it gathered too much attention. there might be a mechanical reason why they did this as scum, and claiming miller regardless of whether you’re actually a miller or just mafia always attracts attention. if they are new like they claimed, they wouldn’t know. and so, they wouldn’t be hesitant to claim if that was the wolf plan, because they wouldn’t know the consequences. and if they are lying about being new then 1. that’s very scummy and 2. could still claim miller as mafia, even with the attention being a factor.
i guess you could say that they’d discuss it in wolfchat, blah, blah, blah, but i’m not going to spend too much time on this. i just think it’s still a viable claim from scum here, and i wouldn’t dismiss that possibility so easily.

i also find it weird that paprika’s tying 1337 and maid together in their read, because i don’t think they should be tied together at all.

i find a lot of paprika’s posts weird. their approach to the game feels like they are trying to deepwolf. i can’t really explain it very well. posts like #141 where they question their townreads about scumreads on their other townreads feel exactly like the type of thing a wolf would do when they want to establish a consensus towncore with wolves in it, and as few villagers as possible. or it’s pockety.

i dislike the fact paprika is tying so many people together in their reads, because it’s dangerous to group people so much if you’re town. if you’re wrong on one, the likelihood of you being wrong on the other is higher, because you’re not looking at them independently.


i still like dodo’s posts on a tonal level and i like the fact they seem unconcerned about appearances. they seem excited and happy to be in this game and that’s always >rand v.
i’m also feeling slightly better about maid, but i’m not exactly sure why that is.
i’m not sure why everyone’s scumreading dodo, actually. i reach the conclusion they are town, and everyone else reaches the conclusion they are mafia. i don’t really see a problem with their posts, and their vote looked more memey / relaxed than opportunistic to me. that said, their reaction to being pushed didn’t sit right with me, but i still lean town.


akemi homura (the more i think about it, the more the mason claim seems fake to me given the things akemi has done this game. i’m still townreading her and fuskdall independently from the mason claim, but that does trouble me.)

TMI everywhere.

Fuskfall and nutella can definitely be w/w

[Akemi Homura]

TonysSexyPajamas here, who blocked me

The vig was blocked today too.

[PonySparkPrime]

Nutella was saved two days in a row and potentially saved from a vig shot with some sort of interference.

If Nutella is wolf was likely being bussed as they were seen as sus from early on and a probable bus sacrifice, Akemi especially voted early and may have wanted to stay on and hope Paprika flipped.

Explain what you mean by these two posts.

Nutella is probably wolf how can i be more clear than that.

You say nutella was saved 2 days in a row, but then also say they are bussed, which is it?

Does not contradict, teammates bussed thinking she would be gone but ended up saved by counter again after all. Both can be true

if the elephant is mafia, quokka's right, a save indicates mafia involvement

[1337]

Stop scumreading the dude who pretended to be masons with you lmao its not scummy you both did it

[Fuskdall]

Spoiler: show

Hard claim Mason with tutuu. Sheep us for the glory.

LC's entrance is incredibly town.

I was roleplaying, to a T, on day 1 and the jury didn't vote me. They suck. :P

But the fact that Dusk just went along with it till now makes me feel they have very high w equity with nutella.

like bs. "went along with it" didn't contradict an obviously fake mason claim? and how does that get you to high wolf equity with nutella? completely nonsensical

Several people pointed it out (I can count at least 3), but no one actually cared about it. The mafia didn't kill either me nor you. Two days in a row. Since I know my rolecard and am town, it must mean you're mafia.

Pretty sure if memory serves me right nutella was the first one to point out my fakeclaim, but again went no where with it.

This is absurd and if Alison ever said this I’d kill her so in character I’m killing you after nutella

[1337]

Nutella IS TOWN
Alison is TOWN

more reads to come tomorrow this game will be salvaged!

so every single day 2 wagon was townie, are we really that shit at this game?

Apparently but you weren't on a relevant wagon so maybe you are still good

[Akemi Homura]

Spoiler: show

Hard claim Mason with tutuu. Sheep us for the glory.

LC's entrance is incredibly town.

I was roleplaying, to a T, on day 1 and the jury didn't vote me. They suck. :P

But the fact that Dusk just went along with it till now makes me feel they have very high w equity with nutella.

like bs. "went along with it" didn't contradict an obviously fake mason claim? and how does that get you to high wolf equity with nutella? completely nonsensical

Several people pointed it out (I can count at least 3), but no one actually cared about it. The mafia didn't kill either me nor you. Two days in a row. Since I know my rolecard and am town, it must mean you're mafia.

Pretty sure if memory serves me right nutella was the first one to point out my fakeclaim, but again went no where with it.

This is absurd and if Alison ever said this I’d kill her so in character I’m killing you after nutella

I'll flip nutella first

[Akemi Homura]

Nutella IS TOWN
Alison is TOWN

more reads to come tomorrow this game will be salvaged!

so every single day 2 wagon was townie, are we really that shit at this game?

Apparently but you weren't on a relevant wagon so maybe you are still good

Why is nutella town?

[PonySparkPrime]

I feel I have to beat this thread with a stick to get acknowledgment of the effort I have put in and I think wolves are trying to cover me up and pretend I am still wolfy

i don't like this post, you just acknowledged that you've continued to "save" nutella, but still feel the urge to beat the other players in this thread

i'm into that stuff (but consent is still important)

[PonySparkPrime]

Nutella IS TOWN
Alison is TOWN

more reads to come tomorrow this game will be salvaged!

so every single day 2 wagon was townie, are we really that shit at this game?

Apparently but you weren't on a relevant wagon so maybe you are still good

damn straight

[Akemi Homura]

I feel I have to beat this thread with a stick to get acknowledgment of the effort I have put in and I think wolves are trying to cover me up and pretend I am still wolfy

i don't like this post, you just acknowledged that you've continued to "save" nutella, but still feel the urge to beat the other players in this thread

i'm into that stuff (but consent is still important)

Town.

[Akemi Homura]

after Martin won best roleplay, did he disappear?

[Akemi Homura]

Stop scumreading the dude who pretended to be masons with you lmao its not scummy you both did it

No.

[Akemi Homura]

This game is more fun when I don't think about roleplay.

rawr

[1337]

Nutella IS TOWN
Alison is TOWN

more reads to come tomorrow this game will be salvaged!

so every single day 2 wagon was townie, are we really that shit at this game?

Apparently but you weren't on a relevant wagon so maybe you are still good

Why is nutella town?

Parikas flipped town in a tied wagon. I know I am town, I know that nurse is town that leaves 2 unknowns on the wagon. 4 unknowns on the tied wagon for Nutella who you propose is mafia.

Mafia have an option here, they can either shoot people on an unflipped wagon, but they choose to shoot someone who just flopped a townie. Why is this? If Nutella is mafia they get a free shot at people on their wagon, no questions are really asked shooting on Nutella wagon wouldn't even really point towards Nutella mafia, because you are shooting at the counterwagon to a townflip that makes sense as mafia.

So if Nutella is mafia why is their entire wagon still alive? Very simple answer, mafia either don't care about those pushing nutella or they want people to continue pushing nutella, or maybe even they are the ones pushing nutella. Regardless of which answer here is right they all point towards town Nutella, so Nutella must be town regardless of how badly you or I think they played.

[PonySparkPrime]

What would be the chance for all 3 to be in this wagon?

nutellaphant
4
67%
Voters: Akemi Homura, Quokka, Fuskdall, My Shell

why do you think this?

[1337]

Also pony's mafia equity has risen in my head but still prefer my shell today, moving maid to town lean.

[PonySparkPrime]

fuskdall seems very random from the get go… that doesn’t give me any impression about their alignment, really.

akemi’s first post is something very unlikely to come from mafia who has just started the game. (tying yourself to someone else with a mason claim) would easily be outed if fake, too.

i actually really hate ponystarkprime claiming mason, come to think of it? the first time it was done, it read as genuine, and neither fuskdall nor akemi were wolfy up to page 2 (where i currently am). fuskdall also doesn’t seem to question it whatsoever, so that strengthens the claim (or makes them w/w, but i don’t find either of them independently wolfy).

meanwhile psp is over here randomly claiming it with dodo, and then claiming cop. feels like trolling, but the kind of trolling that’s actively bothersome to town, and that’s why i think it’s mafia indicative.

i disagree with paprika that the miller claim was unlikely to come from mafia because it gathered too much attention. there might be a mechanical reason why they did this as scum, and claiming miller regardless of whether you’re actually a miller or just mafia always attracts attention. if they are new like they claimed, they wouldn’t know. and so, they wouldn’t be hesitant to claim if that was the wolf plan, because they wouldn’t know the consequences. and if they are lying about being new then 1. that’s very scummy and 2. could still claim miller as mafia, even with the attention being a factor.
i guess you could say that they’d discuss it in wolfchat, blah, blah, blah, but i’m not going to spend too much time on this. i just think it’s still a viable claim from scum here, and i wouldn’t dismiss that possibility so easily.

i also find it weird that paprika’s tying 1337 and maid together in their read, because i don’t think they should be tied together at all.

i find a lot of paprika’s posts weird. their approach to the game feels like they are trying to deepwolf. i can’t really explain it very well. posts like #141 where they question their townreads about scumreads on their other townreads feel exactly like the type of thing a wolf would do when they want to establish a consensus towncore with wolves in it, and as few villagers as possible. or it’s pockety.

i dislike the fact paprika is tying so many people together in their reads, because it’s dangerous to group people so much if you’re town. if you’re wrong on one, the likelihood of you being wrong on the other is higher, because you’re not looking at them independently.


i still like dodo’s posts on a tonal level and i like the fact they seem unconcerned about appearances. they seem excited and happy to be in this game and that’s always >rand v.
i’m also feeling slightly better about maid, but i’m not exactly sure why that is.
i’m not sure why everyone’s scumreading dodo, actually. i reach the conclusion they are town, and everyone else reaches the conclusion they are mafia. i don’t really see a problem with their posts, and their vote looked more memey / relaxed than opportunistic to me. that said, their reaction to being pushed didn’t sit right with me, but i still lean town.


akemi homura (the more i think about it, the more the mason claim seems fake to me given the things akemi has done this game. i’m still townreading her and fuskdall independently from the mason claim, but that does trouble me.)

TMI everywhere.

Fuskfall and nutella can definitely be w/w

none of these are tmi though

the closest thing nutella's done to tmi (that I've seen) is the possible accident of thinking they killed 1337

[PonySparkPrime]

Also pony's mafia equity has risen in my head but still prefer my shell today, moving maid to town lean.

i haven't unlocked my true form yet

[PonySparkPrime]

hot take

alison and fuskdall are both just mafia

[PonySparkPrime]

If what I think is the case wolves already know so probably no trouble. I think they caught my soft and blocked me to save her which strengthens my conviction.

HMMM

I believe this, not because of the soft, but because it is a totally unecessary claim if she is scum. Especially with a competing claim on the table, it's just too risky.

If what you say is true then I am less suspicious of 1312, his claim of miller with innocent child award looked legitimate, and if mafia already know the vigilante then he wouldn't be fishing for it in thread but would be trying to pocket you.

Did you try to shoot anyone N1, or were you blocked then also?

Did not have shot N1 my role works a weird way.

Where was your soft? I read through your Day 1 and found nothing

[Akemi Homura]

fuskdall seems very random from the get go… that doesn’t give me any impression about their alignment, really.

akemi’s first post is something very unlikely to come from mafia who has just started the game. (tying yourself to someone else with a mason claim) would easily be outed if fake, too.

i actually really hate ponystarkprime claiming mason, come to think of it? the first time it was done, it read as genuine, and neither fuskdall nor akemi were wolfy up to page 2 (where i currently am). fuskdall also doesn’t seem to question it whatsoever, so that strengthens the claim (or makes them w/w, but i don’t find either of them independently wolfy).

meanwhile psp is over here randomly claiming it with dodo, and then claiming cop. feels like trolling, but the kind of trolling that’s actively bothersome to town, and that’s why i think it’s mafia indicative.

i disagree with paprika that the miller claim was unlikely to come from mafia because it gathered too much attention. there might be a mechanical reason why they did this as scum, and claiming miller regardless of whether you’re actually a miller or just mafia always attracts attention. if they are new like they claimed, they wouldn’t know. and so, they wouldn’t be hesitant to claim if that was the wolf plan, because they wouldn’t know the consequences. and if they are lying about being new then 1. that’s very scummy and 2. could still claim miller as mafia, even with the attention being a factor.
i guess you could say that they’d discuss it in wolfchat, blah, blah, blah, but i’m not going to spend too much time on this. i just think it’s still a viable claim from scum here, and i wouldn’t dismiss that possibility so easily.

i also find it weird that paprika’s tying 1337 and maid together in their read, because i don’t think they should be tied together at all.

i find a lot of paprika’s posts weird. their approach to the game feels like they are trying to deepwolf. i can’t really explain it very well. posts like #141 where they question their townreads about scumreads on their other townreads feel exactly like the type of thing a wolf would do when they want to establish a consensus towncore with wolves in it, and as few villagers as possible. or it’s pockety.

i dislike the fact paprika is tying so many people together in their reads, because it’s dangerous to group people so much if you’re town. if you’re wrong on one, the likelihood of you being wrong on the other is higher, because you’re not looking at them independently.


i still like dodo’s posts on a tonal level and i like the fact they seem unconcerned about appearances. they seem excited and happy to be in this game and that’s always >rand v.
i’m also feeling slightly better about maid, but i’m not exactly sure why that is.
i’m not sure why everyone’s scumreading dodo, actually. i reach the conclusion they are town, and everyone else reaches the conclusion they are mafia. i don’t really see a problem with their posts, and their vote looked more memey / relaxed than opportunistic to me. that said, their reaction to being pushed didn’t sit right with me, but i still lean town.


akemi homura (the more i think about it, the more the mason claim seems fake to me given the things akemi has done this game. i’m still townreading her and fuskdall independently from the mason claim, but that does trouble me.)

TMI everywhere.

Fuskfall and nutella can definitely be w/w

none of these are tmi though

the closest thing nutella's done to tmi (that I've seen) is the possible accident of thinking they killed 1337

TMIing people as not wolf and they are being very discreet in how they handle me and dusk, feels like they have TMI on me in trusting me bt being discreet about the read cos...Dusk is probably mafia here.

[Akemi Homura]

If what I think is the case wolves already know so probably no trouble. I think they caught my soft and blocked me to save her which strengthens my conviction.

HMMM

I believe this, not because of the soft, but because it is a totally unecessary claim if she is scum. Especially with a competing claim on the table, it's just too risky.

If what you say is true then I am less suspicious of 1312, his claim of miller with innocent child award looked legitimate, and if mafia already know the vigilante then he wouldn't be fishing for it in thread but would be trying to pocket you.

Did you try to shoot anyone N1, or were you blocked then also?

Did not have shot N1 my role works a weird way.

Where was your soft? I read through your Day 1 and found nothing

D2

[nutellaphant]

i am town and i probably shouldn't have replaced in
I couldn't have foreseen these circumstances honestly but I will still try to make reads

I think martin is still mafia unless he's literally an ic or something
I'm not sure why nobody else is seeing it, but his push on my slot reeked of opportunism
it's less strong considering what happened day 2 but I still think that looked really bad and he wasn't evaluating me at all

[nutellaphant]

akemi apparently scumreading her own mason is apparently a thing despite the fact they are on my wagon together right now
possibly a distancing move and they are w/w but if they are then I'm not getting there today

I don't know why quokka is voting me
I don't know why my shell is voting me after townreading me yesterday. is it because of the "1 wolf in nutella/my shell" thing yesterday or did something happen overnight because I recall them townreading me and I townread them back?

[1337]

hot take

alison and fuskdall are both just mafia

That's a very hot take

[My Shell]

i am town and i probably shouldn't have replaced in
I couldn't have foreseen these circumstances honestly but I will still try to make reads

I think martin is still mafia unless he's literally an ic or something
I'm not sure why nobody else is seeing it, but his push on my slot reeked of opportunism
it's less strong considering what happened day 2 but I still think that looked really bad and he wasn't evaluating me at all

If you somehow are town I may consider this I do not like how martin completely disappeared after D1.

Pondering Akemi and Fusk feels likely at least one is wolf

[My Shell]

akemi apparently scumreading her own mason is apparently a thing despite the fact they are on my wagon together right now
possibly a distancing move and they are w/w but if they are then I'm not getting there today

I don't know why quokka is voting me
I don't know why my shell is voting me after townreading me yesterday. is it because of the "1 wolf in nutella/my shell" thing yesterday or did something happen overnight because I recall them townreading me and I townread them back?

I never town read you don't know what you are remembering but it is wrong

[My Shell]

For those who apparently still cannot be bothered to read my posts

I shot nutella last night and she is alive


I had softed about shooting counter if we had d2 v flip

I believe her survival increases her chance of being wolf

How many times do I need to say this to be acknowledged

[Fuskdall]

I am the towniest person in this game and all suggestions to the contrary will be met by a fist

[Fuskdall]

For those who apparently still cannot be bothered to read my posts

I shot nutella last night and she is alive


I had softed about shooting counter if we had d2 v flip

I believe her survival increases her chance of being wolf

How many times do I need to say this to be acknowledged

I AM VOTING FOR THIS PERSON PLS DO NOT CHALENGE MY READING COMPREHENSION

[Fuskdall]

except hmm

[Maid]

TonysSexyPajamas here, who blocked me

The vig was blocked today too.

I want details for this claim miss. Thanks

[Fuskdall]

Michelle I need the deets on how your power works and if this question doesn’t make sense to you your answer won’t make sense to me

[Maid]

What would be the chance for all 3 to be in this wagon?

nutellaphant
4
67%
Voters: Akemi Homura, Quokka, Fuskdall, My Shell

why do you think this?

It's a reaction test, Fusk already sayd zero, which is extremely odd to know.

[My Shell]

Michelle I need the deets on how your power works and if this question doesn’t make sense to you your answer won’t make sense to me

Is complicated, I get a vig shot if I meet certain conditions, why do I have to go in more detail here and now

[Fuskdall]

Okay where’s Sloonei