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It truly actually really is.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:48 pmoh wow this post is awfulouted wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:47 pm Dizzy cmon. We're going to kill C4 and then SPF. Every dead villager is pretty confident im a villager.
I know it's hard for you but the answer truly is simple.
And who do you want to vote here?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:44 pm nutella, if youre that sure that the final wolf is visor, why are you voting c4?
It means that you're saying a lot of words, but it doesn't make us come closer to any solution.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:36 pmwat does that meanDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:35 pmI feel like this ends up not saying much.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:33 pm i wont spend too long responding to them since arete can't respond, but arete misunderstood quite a few of my posts in their analysis. i didn't shade arete for "not leaving a legacy behind" - i was concerned about the fact that they did not seem very worried about finding the last wolf, and poking at their mindset to gauge how much they genuinely cared about figuring the game out. and me saying that we shouldn't let arete lead the chop today is not the same thing as saying that we should not meaningfully consider their reads.
I feel like this ends up not saying much.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:33 pm i wont spend too long responding to them since arete can't respond, but arete misunderstood quite a few of my posts in their analysis. i didn't shade arete for "not leaving a legacy behind" - i was concerned about the fact that they did not seem very worried about finding the last wolf, and poking at their mindset to gauge how much they genuinely cared about figuring the game out. and me saying that we shouldn't let arete lead the chop today is not the same thing as saying that we should not meaningfully consider their reads.
Is your head just spinning, or do you have thoughts?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:30 pm c4 going out of his way to towncase me an hour and a half before the deadline is making my head spin as well. i don't blame dizzy for getting cold feet. he's looking in the wrong place though
I feel this so much and I want to trust this again.outed wolf wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:59 am i could sit out and stress over this game for hours on end like i have the last couple days, but im done. it didnt help me make any good decisions and i let arete and syn die when i wasnt even internally confident they would flip wolves. they were just an easy answer.
c4 is also an easy answer i suppose but i think hes also th emost likely out of those three and ive been trying to get him killed for days.
I don't understand this line of questioning at all, SPF.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:41 pmright, but you're making it sound like you think it would be beneficial for you to die before the f3. at the same time, you made a move at the end of yesterday that guaranteed that you would survive for another day. i'm just curious if dying in this game is something that you actually want to happenc4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:36 pmI don't have to fight tooth and nail to type out [ vote ] Arete [ /vote ]staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:10 pmif this is the case, why even bother making a self-preservation vote at the end of yesterday? why not let yourself die?c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:59 pmI'm saying that I don't think I have a great reason to fight for survival.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:54 pmUh.
I don't understand this question. That depends on what correctly is, and it depends who is in F3 and it depends on how the game looks then and also how much work you are willing to put in.
Because?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:21 pmnoDyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:17 pm Open question: How about we let Aroot choose the chop for today?
She is confirmed town. She can post.
If you are town, imo, you owe it to the other town to fight for survival. Or else you're just giving up, leaving whoever poor unfortunate souls to suffer through a F3, assuming you are town.
You don't necessarily need to do due diligence to vote right.
Oh well that's just bad. Syn mis-chopped me in the last F3 before I even got to post. So I'll be legit mad if that happens again. I don't even know what his problem is with me. He literally have never said.
Uh.
I see. That is a reasonable answer.c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:49 pmI thought dya's post was towny in a vacuum and wanted to know if it was in their wolf range. It was. Conversation ended there.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:28 pm c4, I'll repeat this and ask for thoughts:
The interaction just drops off after this. And I don't understand why v!c4 would assume it being taking criticism for their wolf game specifically rather than just their game in general.dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:12 pmyes regardless of alignment
Well, my point against Vulgard speaking to Dya was also nitpicky. So nitpicky in fact that I didn't even bother to explain what it was until Sunbae asked. Vul's word choice of "Dya repping a read" was highly likely a real perspective slip. I think this is probably also a perspective slip. I don't know why he would assume/wonder if Dya reacted this way as a wolf in particular above any other scenario (them reacting like this as town or them reacting like this regardless of alignment).staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:45 pm @Dyslexicon -
the framing of c4's question is actually a bit scummy when you put it in that light, yeah. it could be a potential perspective slip to frame the question as: "does dyachei take criticism against their WOLF game personally" and not just "does dyachei take criticism against their game personally" when c4 appeared to think that dyachei was a villager at the time
it does feel a little nitpicky but i understand what youre getting at. im somewhat lukewarm about the point regarding vulgard - i dont think that vulgard framing c4 in a positive/authentic light is inherently indicative of partner interaction
Well, his point was that Dya was in that position also because he himself pushed them to be. Whether that's fully true or not. The relevant thing is if he believes it. I'm leaning yes, and I think it's just c4 at this time. Feeling stronger about this than I did Aroot for sure.nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:42 pmyes it's silly that i think you could have hard bussed a partner that you sensed was having a rough go at getting into the game already and was never going to be out of the poe hmmyesouted wolf wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:35 pm "the posts from visor himself here don't really do a ton for me, "I think dyachei flips wolf most of the time" is not a hard thing for a bussing wolf to say about a teammate who's been on the back foot/heading toward going down all game"
who helped make dya go down all game?
- i have to go now but this is silly nutella.
@staypositivefriend @outed wolfDyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:12 pmThis interaction is real bad.dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:12 pmyes regardless of alignmentc4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:11 pmPet peeve regardless of alignment?dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:09 pmI don't take criticisms personally, if that's what you're asking? I do however hate being told how to play mafia. It's a pet peeve of mine
Why use the perspective of "does Dya have history of taking criticism to thei wolf game personally"? Why not their game in general or even their town game? Usually outbursts like Dya's are read more towny, so why go to the question of "
I have pretty major issues with this.
That said, I want to thread a little bit carefully. Cause my philosophy is - town say scummy shit all the time. Wolves rarely say truly towny shit. And before I started rereading I came to the conclusion that c4 should be town, but honestly, that seems weak now.
Also there's this. It doesn't stand out as much as when Vulgard said Dya was "repping" a read. But it certainly is a word choice saying that c4's thoughts look real, rather than, yeah I don't even know what else, but that they are real. I'll try to see whether Vulgard has yikes wording towards others too.Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:12 amI'm reading c4 and I kinda see why people are townreading this. The read on SPF looks like it's coming from a place of real solving. The pointed accusation that SPF is asking questions for the sake of asking questions. Implicitly wondering if dya's a wolf based on their comment about being told how to play FM. Those look real.
I don't think he actually did.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:27 pm also, why does zack dying point to outed wolf being mafia? zack felt fairly strongly that outed wolf was town, yeah? do you think that outed wolf was worried about zack catching him?
I think you should sheep my reads. Your first read list was very bad seeing the flips lol.nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:25 pmthis isn't remotely clearing for either spf or c4 imoDyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:18 pm@nutella In this post Dya is challenging c4's wolf read of SPF. c4's read is expressed confidently and based on meta. So if v!c4 comes in and is like "SPF is a wolf, I have a real read and I have meta and I can read her" kind of vibes, I highly doubt that Dya's second ever meaningful post is going to be a straight up defence like this. Almost everyone I see lean towards not defending mates early on and are rather (too much imo) distancy instead.
but i also just kind of want to sheep your reads because i'm tired of thinking
The interaction just drops off after this. And I don't understand why v!c4 would assume it being taking criticism for their wolf game specifically rather than just their game in general.dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:12 pmyes regardless of alignmentc4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:11 pmPet peeve regardless of alignment?dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:09 pmI don't take criticisms personally, if that's what you're asking? I do however hate being told how to play mafia. It's a pet peeve of mine
That's lame. Have you not had thinking after Aroot flipped?
But Nut will not get chopped, while you might. I'm quite surprised Nut didn't die, but maybe that's just my perspective.outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:17 pmyes?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:14 pmI thought Nut would die here almost all of the time. I even skipped her posts when reading.outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:06 pm i actually thought i died a decent chunk of the time cause ppl were back to villa reading me and spf kept expressing susp on bronana
Did you expect to die over Nut?
nutella changes her thoughts every post
while i thought it reasonable for nutella to die tonight, i figured i would die either tonight or tomorrow and zack would die in the other night
(i also thought i would die more often in worlds where c4 is a wolf so theres that too)
@nutella In this post Dya is challenging c4's wolf read of SPF. c4's read is expressed confidently and based on meta. So if v!c4 comes in and is like "SPF is a wolf, I have a real read and I have meta and I can read her" kind of vibes, I highly doubt that Dya's second ever meaningful post is going to be a straight up defence like this. Almost everyone I see lean towards not defending mates early on and are rather (too much imo) distancy instead.
I thought Nut would die here almost all of the time. I even skipped her posts when reading.outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:06 pm i actually thought i died a decent chunk of the time cause ppl were back to villa reading me and spf kept expressing susp on bronana
This interaction is real bad.dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:12 pmyes regardless of alignmentc4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:11 pmPet peeve regardless of alignment?dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:09 pmI don't take criticisms personally, if that's what you're asking? I do however hate being told how to play mafia. It's a pet peeve of mine
Also there's this. It doesn't stand out as much as when Vulgard said Dya was "repping" a read. But it certainly is a word choice saying that c4's thoughts look real, rather than, yeah I don't even know what else, but that they are real. I'll try to see whether Vulgard has yikes wording towards others too.Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:12 amI'm reading c4 and I kinda see why people are townreading this. The read on SPF looks like it's coming from a place of real solving. The pointed accusation that SPF is asking questions for the sake of asking questions. Implicitly wondering if dya's a wolf based on their comment about being told how to play FM. Those look real.
Isn’t that risky? If the plan was to stick to the claim at least?
