The Syndicate

Gg \o/

Thanks for the game, DDL!

Good luck, town.

Tony wtf

How the fuck did that happen?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:05 pm Sabie town rip

Scrap this. Sabie maf lol

Wait what??? Sean is chopped?

Sabie town rip

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:17 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:07 pm Has Sabie been scummy enough to warrant 7 votes atm?

Not really, but what 'cha gonna do?

Yeah, I just read her ISO now and was like

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:12 pmWell yeah Spy can't do any action aside from Disguising when they have no disgusie.

Alright. Make note of this plan, and maybe we can do something if we have a town Spy who is successfully disguised on D2.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:09 pm I suppose host would need to be pinged for clarification on that part.
It kind of depends on if Spy looses the disgusie before or after the other Spy checks them.

But if I'm not mistaken, first step would be for spies to just use their disguise action. And every role should use their action if there's no draw back, I think. So we don't have to scramble to get a plan set up in these final hours?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:00 pm To put it another way.
If Blue Spy disguise as Red Soldier...
Red Spy investigates Blue Spy D2 as Wiggly Pyro votes Blue Spy.
Red Spy sees Blue Spy as Blue Spy if Blue Spy is Town.
Red Spy sees Blue Spy ad Red Solider if Blue Spy is Mafia.

Possible problems include...
Mafia killing or roleblocking one or both spies (Mostly prevented by not claiming D1)
Red Spy being Mafia and lying about Blue Spy (results in a 1 for 1)
This is a 1 way check so for both spies to be confirmed both need to live to day 4 effectively.

"- Disguise Kit: Once per night, the Spy can choose a class/color combo that is still alive and disguise himself as them. While disguised, every day phase, the Spy will be allowed to check a player and learn their class/color (but not if they are town or mafia), and will be able to use his other abilities at following nights.

Starting from the next day after disguising, the Spy will have to work to maintain his disguise. He will lose it if he is targeted by anything at night, voted by a Pyro, if the Spy himself targets the player he is disguised as, or if he successfully kills a player. If his cover is blown, he will have to disguise again next night. If it was blown because he killed a player, he will also have to spend a night laying low and doing nothing to disguise again."

Ok, I think I get it.
But they will have to wait until after N2? Because the Pyro vote effect only counts from votes and the end of each day?

So Blue Spy is disguised. Says what role they are disguised as. Is voted by a Pyro at EoD. Next day, the other Spy can check to see if they really are successfully disguised still?

Seems complicated, but it's worth a try.
But if I'm not mistaken, this doesn't really need any preparations, as long as both spies use their disguise action this night?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:52 pm Well Spies can check each other.
We just have Wiggly vote one of the spies which will drop their disguise unless they are Mafia.
The other Spy can then investigate them and will be able to tell if their disguise dropped or not.

Can this plan be Roleblocker or messed with by mafia?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:48 pmThen why search for meta to read him when you are highly capable of reading any player based on behavioral petterns and agenda?

Jesus christ what a question.

I thought LP's point about Gavial badgering people about their reads was solid, and I wanted to check his scum game to see if maybe that would stand out as a difference in his mafia/town play. And I think it might. In any case, he seemed different to me in the Baby game. I search meta if there's something specific I want to look for.

@TonyStarkPrime or @LinearPoint or anyone who's good at mech. Did we get any closer to having roles who can be confirmed?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:41 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:35 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:31 pm Curious why you chose to try and go for a new wagon than anything else Dizzy.
You said you're fine with both Gav and Sabie, but don't vote either and now say you think Gav is Town.

Well, Sabie is in the lead anyway.
I know several people have been scum reading Sig, and I think there's a decent chance he's mafia.
In fact, I think Sabie and Sig can both be mafia, cause I remember their soft ball interaction.
I'd rather have Sig as a competing wagon though, and I usually do prefer competing wagons instead of one large one, but I know some people don't.

I town lean Gavial after rereading his D1 from the last game we played and he was mafia. He seems different here in a significant enough way.

In your opinion, is Gavial a polarized player?

I thought he was, but he was able to fool most players in his last scum game, including Alison. So probably not very.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:40 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:31 pm Curious why you chose to try and go for a new wagon than anything else Dizzy.
You said you're fine with both Gav and Sabie, but don't vote either and now say you think Gav is Town.

Ok this guy is town because we are thinking the same shit.

Bare in mind that Dizzy never ever buss their partners.

I've done that plenty of times lol. =p

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:31 pm Curious why you chose to try and go for a new wagon than anything else Dizzy.
You said you're fine with both Gav and Sabie, but don't vote either and now say you think Gav is Town.

Well, Sabie is in the lead anyway.
I know several people have been scum reading Sig, and I think there's a decent chance he's mafia.
In fact, I think Sabie and Sig can both be mafia, cause I remember their soft ball interaction.
I'd rather have Sig as a competing wagon though, and I usually do prefer competing wagons instead of one large one, but I know some people don't.

I town lean Gavial after rereading his D1 from the last game we played and he was mafia. He seems different here in a significant enough way.

I think the best I can do for this day is

Top of the list: Guillo, Sean, LP, Lime, TSP
Bottom of the list is: Sig, Sabie, Jack

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:27 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:43 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:36 am What's the case against Jack?

I'm voting him because his "oh haha I'm here" with an added "wait, did scum already flip?" seems performative, as the kids says. I also think he was asking questions to Gavial that he didn't care much to get the answer from. Like, he made conversation, but I don't think he cared to do anything else than just get some posts out. I didn't like it. Jack is hard to read, but I've done well doing it in the past. But yeah, not a very confident read either way tbh.

Was his approach to Gav partnered? Is that why he sounded like he was just making conversation?

Could be or could not be. But I tend to think Gav is town, unfortunately.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Because he said something I haven't heard town say yet about Gavial's play.

I read Gavial in the Baby Heist, where he was scum. And unfortunately, I think he's town his game. Rip. He didn't really ask many for their reads in the Baby game, he fluffed more and joked more, and seemed a bit more detached. It's a bit of a different vibe. They tunnelled me all D1 for no reason there too though. Seems to be just what Gavial does. I'd still won't object to a chop on him, cause I'm not totally confident and I wouldn't feel bad if he flips town.

Guillo, Sean, LP, Lime, TSP <-- Town reads.

I'm fine with both Gavial and Sabie tbh.

I'll look up if Gavial badgered others about reads in his previous scum game, or if that really is a town indicator like LP suggested.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:35 pm Im down for either Sabie, Gavial or Sig today.

I agree tbh.

Don't like Sabie's vote on Marmot and her explanation around it at all.
I still don't think Sig/Gavial are teamed. I'd vote Gavial over Sig, independent of what I think of their alignment tbh.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:02 pmLook at this. A mindmeld.

LP might be town after all.

Told you =p

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:57 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:07 pm Gav could very well be Maf. He had an odd entrance re: my RNG POE, claiming later he liked the list (save LP)...it's a RNG list at the beginning of the game, there's nothing to like. Most of the player list hadn't even posted.


Then Gav said he'd sheep me. Now he has me as a null read, which is something that Gav rarely does w/ anybody, let alone myself. To date, in no game Gav & I have played has he ever had me as null. It's either town or scum, there's no in between w/ Gav


He's been soft on my slot, very out of character. I've made mention of it already. Gav is not really in his town range IMO. Definitely could be scum

This just kind of read to me as a possible Mafia who didn't want to say their partner was Town, but also didn't want to vote them in case they could somehow survive the day.

My early Gav/Falcon theory lives! \o/
It's funny, cause I'm not used to Falcon using so many words to describe his reads. So yeah, I could still see this connection for sure.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:11 pm Hmm I guess Marmot's disinterest is odd and could be mafia? If he were then he hasn't provided much interaction with anyone so he wouldn't be worried about giving away teammates if he gets voted off. I can never get a good read on Jack. If Jack is mafia he's better to get out earlier rather than later. Does gavial have a different playstyle when town or mafia? He always seems kinda all over the place.
Throwing a vote on marmot for now. Hoping to be able to come back later before EOD.
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

This is veeery non-committal, even for me.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:08 pm I think Gav is Town. I know he likes to make mountains out of mole hills and has some bad case of tunnelvision.
But he does legitimately try to fish for other people to give their reads.
If this were a Mafia Gav I feel like he'd be trying to engage people less and focusing more on just running the game with his conspiracy theories.
The fact he is even wanting others to give opinions on who is Mafia is telling that this is Town Gav.

That being said if he flips Mafia he 100% TMId a lot of things from the fact that there is exactly 1 Mafia in Sean, Guillotine, Falcon to various people being Town with no reason for the town reads.

I don't think he's Mafia though.

This is a valuable perspective. Especially the fact that he's badgering others for reads. I will check if he did that in the last scum game I saw from him or not, but you might've found something.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:46 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:43 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:36 am What's the case against Jack?

I'm voting him because his "oh haha I'm here" with an added "wait, did scum already flip?" seems performative, as the kids says. I also think he was asking questions to Gavial that he didn't care much to get the answer from. Like, he made conversation, but I don't think he cared to do anything else than just get some posts out. I didn't like it. Jack is hard to read, but I've done well doing it in the past. But yeah, not a very confident read either way tbh.

Hedgey. If not confident why keep it there?

Let's kill Sabie or Gavial.

You say Marmot would not yield info, would Jack yield any better?

I rarely have a confident vote on D1.

Jack would be better to get rid of if he is mafia, and I have some inclination he might be.
Marmot can be caught later tbh. I also have no read of them at all, except their reaction to being voted was not scummy for Marmot imo.

I'd prefer Gavial over Sabie.
I think Sabie also can be read well over time.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:07 pm Gav could very well be Maf. He had an odd entrance re: my RNG POE, claiming later he liked the list (save LP)...it's a RNG list at the beginning of the game, there's nothing to like. Most of the player list hadn't even posted.


Then Gav said he'd sheep me. Now he has me as a null read, which is something that Gav rarely does w/ anybody, let alone myself. To date, in no game Gav & I have played has he ever had me as null. It's either town or scum, there's no in between w/ Gav


He's been soft on my slot, very out of character. I've made mention of it already. Gav is not really in his town range IMO. Definitely could be scum

Yeah, he actually could. Last game I played where Gavial was mafia, everyone kept town reading him and excusing his bad reads because "oh well, it's just Gavial, he usually doesn't make sense". He tunnelled and had a very static view of the game. I've seen him act similarly as town though, which is the problem. But some of his takes are just too far removed from reality to believe.

I'd vote him out every time over someone else I'm unsure of though.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:36 am What's the case against Jack?

I'm voting him because his "oh haha I'm here" with an added "wait, did scum already flip?" seems performative, as the kids says. I also think he was asking questions to Gavial that he didn't care much to get the answer from. Like, he made conversation, but I don't think he cared to do anything else than just get some posts out. I didn't like it. Jack is hard to read, but I've done well doing it in the past. But yeah, not a very confident read either way tbh.

I don't support a Marmot chop, because he hasn't done shit (which he should), but I feel he can be readable later.

Also, @Marmot would love love love your input here.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:03 am Town:
Nanook
Falcon
Dizzy
LP
Gavial
DrWilgy
Dolby
Guillo

8 towns, include me would make it 9.

That leaves....

Jack
Mac
Marmot
Martin
NAA
Sabie
Sig
TSP


So I'm in hopes that most of mafia are in the list of those 8. If I manage to get all of them in there then I'd be pretty happy.

Nice, a comprehensive view.

What makes Dolby town to you? I don't think they've done anything AI indicative yet.
For me, I'd be tempted to put both Mac and TSP as tentative town.
It's a bit tough, cause large part of the game isn't active at all.
You also forgot Sean.
I'm more comfortable with Guillo, Sean, LP and you as town. I think I've explained most of those reads somewhere, except you. But I just feel like you seem normal enough lol.

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:06 amThe only thing that I like is the blatant PR speculation on Wilgy that I think might not come from mafia but I still kinda want to vote here tbh

I agree with the blatant PR speculation and clearing Wilgy off of that is unlikely to be mafia.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:08 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:05 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:03 pmIm just saying it is not impossible. Why overreact about it?

I'm not "overreacting", I'm reacting because this game is [something]

What's your read on Mac. You wolfed with him once in a mash

He hasn't done much, but I actually have a sneaking feeling he's town. There are reasons and I don't want to share them yet.
I miss ANYONE that I know and has a similar play style to me to come out with a comprehensive game view at this point.
@MacDougall Though he's probably asleep.

I don't remember the mash lol, but I've played with him a bunch.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:03 pmIm just saying it is not impossible. Why overreact about it?

I'm not "overreacting", I'm reacting because this game is [something]

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:43 pm What if Gavial and Dyslexicon have been hard distacing. I need to look at their interactions to see if it looks like scum theater.

Loooool

And I thought I was going to come into the thread in a better mood.

I don't really know how I feel about Sabie tbh.

Jack doesn't vibe.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 10:34 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:40 pm If I assume Gav and his tunnel are town, I’m right more often than not.

Tbh this is true of any player but I like the snark

I took a screen shot of when Gavial and NAA were both voting me, for the meme potential.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:17 pm Boo hiss no wolf flips yet.

Jack, do you want to talk about how I don't believe you thought there had been two wolf flips?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:46 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:42 pm I suppose people would like me more if I didn’t talk so much but it’s hard for Gavial to do that you know?

I super empathize.

And idk and I assumed Dizzy wanted my opinion on your alignment

I wanted to know why you wanted Gavial's opinion tbh

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:51 pmSorry for tunnelling but like I’m not really seeing you as town this game.

You know what, that's fine. I'm not interested in engaging. Good luck doing better.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:43 pm“Gavial might be town after all” why exactly those words and why specifically did you need to state my alignment?

Those exact words, cause I don't know if you are or not. The exact thing that made me doubt was you saying that your mission was not "trying to look as towny as possible" or whatever you said. The wording sounded vaguely towny, your whole AtE thing. Right now I don't care about your alignment, and I will try to ignore you from now on. Good day.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:41 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:33 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 5:57 pmLol that’s stingy as fuck!
Saying me and Falcon Wolf if Wolf after I said the same thing to you and Guillo.
Lmao.

I said that about you/Falcon way before you said your shit.

And why would it matter anyway? Don't answer, it's rhetorical.

Show me the proof.
Also you ask why it matters? Don’t want me to answer but I will because I’m Gavial. it matters because it’s more wolf motivated then town motivated which is an actual reason to push someone and eliminate them, it actually has a more then likely chance to flip wolf.
Like some of the wagons I’ve seen on many players in the past your are literally better off just RNG’ing all your votes and you will have a better chance at winning the game.

Read my ISO.
It's literally in it.
The burden on proof is on you. You're the one throwing shit burgers.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:14 pm Hey so let’s start walking together eh?
@Dyslexicon
Why TSP town?

I've already talked about this.

It's a thin read tbh, but I'm feeling it.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:08 pm Just talk with me it’s not frustrating.
If your town then theoretically you should be able to work with me and act on a Townie mindset.

Like the only true way to solve is the way I do which is entirely game state based.

You're literally making shit up that hasn't happened. I've tried talking to you. You're the one with the problem.

I know I'm sour Dizzy, but I can't deal with Gavial. I just can't.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:02 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:40 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:10 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:56 pm Gavial might be town after all. Hard to tell with him, so interested to see what others think.

Calls me town in this post but then says I’m doing what I did in my scum game in the next.

LOL.

What's your point?

You did do that in your last scum game I saw.
I've seen you make bad reads and tunnel as both town and mafia.

My point is your read isn’t genuine.

If you were genuine you would say something like “I’m undecided towards Gavial’s alignment. I kinda like his recent posting but he is also showing similarities from his previous scum game where he pushed me.”
Kinda like what Lime Coke did but he wanted to scum read me for the paranoia I suppose.

I have literally been saying that. This is my literal words: "Gavial might be town after all. Hard to tell with him, so interested to see what others think." I'm obviously undecided and want others opinions.

You can't make up shit that didn't happen.

I don't like any of your posting. Doesn't mean you can't be town. If you are town, don't ever make a read on me on D1 again.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 5:57 pmLol that’s stingy as fuck!
Saying me and Falcon Wolf if Wolf after I said the same thing to you and Guillo.
Lmao.

I said that about you/Falcon way before you said your shit.

And why would it matter anyway? Don't answer, it's rhetorical.