The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:04 am I'm busy rn but I just wanted to say, I love you dizzy!!!

I lurve you! <3

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:01 am cant believe dizzy got away with this again lol

I never thought I would. I thought our team was 100 % toast from pretty early on.

But I just never give up!

And I got pretty lucky.

I was leaning me being town tbh

Thank god it's over.

Well played, both of you! And everyone.

Sorry I couldn't be town. </3

Jk

[VOTE: Golden] aubergine

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Not voting.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:46 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:44 am I'm not voting yet in any case

Stay awake we might vote rn

-t

I'm still not going to vote. I'm going to stress about it for an unnecessary amount of time until I make the wrong decision. That's how it always is

I'm not voting yet in any case

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:30 am You wanna talk symmetry? We are both trying to prove to each other that we are town with basically the same reasons, the same personality, the same everything.

It has not escaped me

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:27 am

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:24 am I also disagree that you had to know rondo was dying. You coulda just shot ender and claimed it as American town kill and got lucky that rondo died to a cyclops.

But I’ll be honest yeah, it is a compelling towncase. It’s just that o know it either has to be wrong or it’s a pocket.

So my plan was then to claim the Ender kill and have everyone believe that ...what happened to the mafia kill? That's a terrible plan. You can't both believe I'm the greatest wolf to ever wolf and also the worst.

Also, it was not my choice to be able to shoot Ender.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:24 am I also disagree that you had to know rondo was dying. You coulda just shot ender and claimed it as American town kill and got lucky that rondo died to a cyclops.

But I’ll be honest yeah, it is a compelling towncase. It’s just that o know it either has to be wrong or it’s a pocket.

So my plan was then to claim the Ender kill and have everyone believe that ...what happened to the mafia kill? That's a terrible plan. You can't both believe I'm the greatest wolf to ever wolf and also the worst.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:21 am Dizzy, I like the idea the game is symmetrical. It’s nice to imagine that it’s true, because that means PC is the solve.

I just don’t know and I’m not in a position to feel confident about that.

If you are American townie you know the town part is symmetrical. The rest still isn’t. I am not like iawy, I’m more similar to both PC and SVS.

That's not the only part of the town case though.

I've town cased myself before in thread. I'll do it again if I have to.

I'm going to laugh if PC is wolf and town cased me so well it locked them in lol

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:07 amDo you mean this case dizzy?

Yes.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:05 amI think this response is problematic. What Kate thought of you was based on several days of casing you. She made points that I thought were valid, even as I had counterpoints about my own read on you.

I have not seen these points. And in any case, it's wrong. It doesn't change anything about my alignment.

Guillo was also screaming his head off about me being wolf. Doesn't change a thing.

What specifically is flawed about the town case though? Cause in order for me to be wolf here, there's a whole bunch of nonsense that I could not possible ever know about that would've had to happen. Like, it just so happens to be exactly 5 kiwis and 4 american and I just happened to guess that and I just happened to play as american townie and I just happened to be able to prove it because Rondo just happened to die?

Or maybe I'm just american townie. I don't know.

How does it not make sense though? Because it makes perfect sense.

Please thrust it

depression.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:48 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:46 pm Like I'm not doubting or holding it against you that you're busy. But we're all busy. I also am just one person and have a life. Ideally I'd be out of this game long time ago

it's only a syndicate game of champions if tutuu, dizzy, and syn are in lylo

otherwise it's just sparkling depression

Well, this is true, but it has ended it depression for me like every time so

Like I'm not doubting or holding it against you that you're busy. But we're all busy. I also am just one person and have a life. Ideally I'd be out of this game long time ago

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:37 pmI cannot begin to express how busy I am, I work nine hour, walk to wall days, on four of the last six I’ve also been out at commitments in the evenings. And my weekends are for family.

I want to do more… there is a limit to what I can do.

I shouldn’t have signed up.

Still, you've been able to post over 1000 times. It's not fair for you to expect me to ISO and "find your obvious townness" that way, and for you not to do the same with me. I also have busy days with work and what not.

Also, PC town cased me pretty well. What is either wrong with their town case or why do they town case me as mafia (especially considering I'm already suspecting them)

That's kind of a terrible reason. Though I'll admit I can see it coming from town as a "I don't want responsibility" thing, cause I tend to do that myself

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:36 pm To be honest dizzy the reason I suspect you is…

I was wrong about Lily, Porscha, scotty.

Kate was on fire.

If I vote for you it is literal trust in kate over trust in myself, because I don’t know how much I trust my judgment.

Then you haven't thought about it at all.

Whatever Kate thought of me has literally nothing to do with me or my alignment. I don't even know her.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:32 pmI feel the same way here. PC actually made a clear case of why I'm town. I'm a bit surprised you're not there.

Or more so, it doesn't seem like you've put as much thought into this.

I'm totally asleep

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:21 pmIf I’m wolf neighbouriser im using it to build a towncore, I’m not publicly outing that I redirect a kill just because I’m not trying to learn if sig truly targeted me or Alison (what a strange move that would have been). Missing two neighbour shots on the wolf kills and losing that opportunity to influence the thread would be suicidally poor play.

These are pretty compelling arguments if your role works like you say it does.

I say the evidence I’m town is in the thread because it is. I’m only not town cleared because of paranoia.

I have said this so many tiles in the game but I think it is really clear and I think isoing me carefully and properly and doing due diligence reveals it to be true. A view that I am wolf cannot be sustained on the evidence. I do not think it is possible for other townies to reach the view I am wolf if they do the work. It just doesn’t make sense in any world.

I feel the same way here. PC actually made a clear case of why I'm town. I'm a bit surprised you're not there.

Going through all of your literally thousand posts is a lot. I tried ISO-ing PC, but honestly it didn't help much.

I've found you towny all game, and I've also argued for you not pulling the SVS shit as mafia. But I don't know. I still don't feel like it's an easy decision for me here.

I've said it before, but whatever alignment you both have, I'm impressed. This is top tier mafia play.

I'm going to sleep and try to not think about the game.

That's such a complicated role. Like what

Eagerly awaiting the answer

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:22 pm WAIT.

How did you bait Alison to shoot you if she can't shoot you being in the naighbourhood @Golden

LOL

WAIT.

How did you bait Alison to shoot you if she can't shoot you being in the naighbourhood @Golden

I don't know how that piece of information is supposed to change anything for me

I would actually like to know what's been going on in the chat

Why is this happening to me

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:58 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:57 pm So my theory was that maybe Golden had said that they suspected me to PC to bait them. But that didn't pan out.

It really wasn’t like that. It was just an honest statement of how I was feeling… more likely you than them, but they are the ones where neighbouring is more helpful for me to get a better read.

Why is that? If you suspect me more, why not neighbour me?

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:57 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:52 pm @Golden Please talk to me. I want to hear more about how you think it's possible that I'm mafia, and how you think it's not possible that it's PC

I think it could be either of you, and the way PC has handled being neighboured is alarming to me.

Well, you can take your time. I might go to bed soon, but interested in every bit of thought you have.

So my theory was that maybe Golden had said that they suspected me to PC to bait them. But that didn't pan out.

Problem is reading into PC's reactions to other mafia is dubious if they are lost wolf anyway. But then I don't know if there has to be a lost wolf.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:53 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:51 pm

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:56 pm The Party Crasher account's vote will remain on SVS

Why is this post still bothering me so much

this was written by sheep

he's a nerd coming from AOPS (art of problem solving)

he's just awkward like that i dunno

-t

Oh. That's actually maybe reassuring. I don't know.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:56 pm MARMOT IS REFUSING TO VOTE MAC SO THEY DONT DIE. THEY ARE IGNORING IT. THEY ARE TRYING TO GET AWAY WITH HUMOR BY SELF-VOTING

MARMOT IS OUTED WOLF

I had the exact same reaction here

@Golden Please talk to me. I want to hear more about how you think it's possible that I'm mafia, and how you think it's not possible that it's PC

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:56 pm The Party Crasher account's vote will remain on SVS

Why is this post still bothering me so much

If Golden pulled that shit with SVS, that's some fucking balls

I feel like I don't want it to be Golden. I was feeling pretty strongly that I'd probably end up voting PC just a while ago, and now I don't know

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:15 pm1 town fruit vendor dennis. 1 mafia fruit vendor marmot
1 town BP PC. 1 mafia BP svs
1 town neighborizer iawy. 1 mafia neighborizer golden
5 kiwi, 5 american

Honestly, PC is making a compelling case based on this alone.

If Golden is mafia, I'm really impressed by their drive this game. Must be frustrating to be caught on mech.

Also, want to say this: Please remember that I have no insight to your neighbourhood chat. And I strongly prefer discussion to be in thread. And all information about it you can reveal here is good for me.

I don't intend to AtE. I think it's clear that I'm town. If whoever of you is town can't find me, I don't know if it can be more obvious than it already is on my end. I respect the game still being very hard though.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:38 pmIt’s a paraphrase, but sure it’s a reasonable interpretation of what I said. Operative thing being I did not say tinfoil, I said I brought them to figure out if my townread on them was correct.

This is not a case where I’m like 95/5 thinking it’s you. It’s more 65/35. And they used the true language when I said I ‘think’ it’s you.

But I also told them what I said here… I’m not going to hammer, I plan to spend full 48 hours doing my due diligence and casing both of you.

Then why did you think it was suss that I pointed out that you said you thought it was me, if you did?