The Syndicate

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:31 pm It's probably down to scum messing with the night results somehow. Or Abigail is actually fakeclaiming, but if that's true they're the town dunce of the year

Or mafia dunce, but that would be even more stupid. Although if that's the case, it's actually working, at least for now

It's probably down to scum messing with the night results somehow. Or Abigail is actually fakeclaiming, but if that's true they're the town dunce of the year

A cursory look at Jack's ISO and no redirector softclaim that I can see. Although at this point, it's just a vague hope and not a possibility I actually expect

And I guess pyxxy hasn't fully caught up, but I feel they'd claim immediately upon their reentrance if they were town and knew it was fake

Well, I'm assuming Wilgy's vote means they don't claim redirector, which means that Jack is the only one it can be if we truly have a town redirector

He did TR me, so it does make sense if he tried to redirect a kill away from me at least

I'll be bold and [VOTE: Delta] aubergine for that. It's not like my vote for pixxy is doing any good

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:35 pm Roxy / SVS / Epi / Abi
Thunal??
Wilgy / Pyxxy / Nanook ?
LC / Jack

Current headspace with how things are playing out \o/ I dont think Jack/LC stack on Pyxxy if its Jack/LC w/w so I think there's a mini like. I guess triangle of LC/Jack/Pyxxy having mafia w/ the other two being town? I think that makes most sense given how EOD went. I'm not sure it's Pyxxy in those names right now, had them as townlean d1 so maybe that's clouding things a little? but I am v curious about how that wagon started up at EOD to begin with

This kinda pings me. They make a reads list without committing to a stance on me?

If you do think I'm a wolf, then why am I still spewing?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:11 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:03 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:02 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:22 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:20 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:14 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:13 pm

I don't think any look clearly bad, but I think Epi and SVS's both look good regardless of your flip and perhaps even better if you flip town. Both had pretty transparent thought processes before coming to confident conclusions that you're mafia. If you're town I'd expect maf to be more likely to hedge on you.

Do you agree with Delta's read on LC's vote?

I think it's odd but not necessarily wolfy. I wouldn't call saying something is odd a read.

Delta, pyxxy, and Roxy have shown up but not voted my wagon. Do you think any of them are "hedging" on me?

Nah. It's clear you're dying so not everyone who suspects you needs to vote you.

But what exact reason would they have for not voting me if they think I'm scum?

Preference. Like Roxy waiting until EoD to make her vote yesterday.

Why do you think Delta isn't voting me?

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:03 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:02 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:22 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:20 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:14 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:13 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:05 pm

Since you asked me the question, do you think any votes on me look bad if I'm town?

I invite @Thunal33 to answer this as well

I don't think any look clearly bad, but I think Epi and SVS's both look good regardless of your flip and perhaps even better if you flip town. Both had pretty transparent thought processes before coming to confident conclusions that you're mafia. If you're town I'd expect maf to be more likely to hedge on you.

Do you agree with Delta's read on LC's vote?

I think it's odd but not necessarily wolfy. I wouldn't call saying something is odd a read.

Delta, pyxxy, and Roxy have shown up but not voted my wagon. Do you think any of them are "hedging" on me?

Nah. It's clear you're dying so not everyone who suspects you needs to vote you.

But what exact reason would they have for not voting me if they think I'm scum?

If people think I'm scum, they should vote me end of story. The only reason why they won't is if they're afraid of looking bad in hindsight

I'll flip town, and none of this will really matter

And it seems we're back to useless discussion about the fake redcheck. Thanks, SVS, NANOOK, and Wilgy

You can tell how frustrated I am with the rest of the thread because I'm starting all my posts with "like"

Like, it's not like Seanzie wasn't one of the most universally townread if not the most. "Why Seanzie over leetic" is a useless question

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:02 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:22 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:20 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:14 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:13 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:05 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:04 pm

do I have to ;_;

I'm free if you want to talk outside of the red check, what are you thinking rn?

Since you asked me the question, do you think any votes on me look bad if I'm town?

I invite @Thunal33 to answer this as well

I don't think any look clearly bad, but I think Epi and SVS's both look good regardless of your flip and perhaps even better if you flip town. Both had pretty transparent thought processes before coming to confident conclusions that you're mafia. If you're town I'd expect maf to be more likely to hedge on you.

Do you agree with Delta's read on LC's vote?

I think it's odd but not necessarily wolfy. I wouldn't call saying something is odd a read.

Delta, pyxxy, and Roxy have shown up but not voted my wagon. Do you think any of them are "hedging" on me?

Nah. It's clear you're dying so not everyone who suspects you needs to vote you.

But what exact reason would they have for not voting me if they think I'm scum?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:01 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:21 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:18 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:13 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:13 pm Also, I think I surpassed my record for most posts in a single game! Not bad for a (likely) D2 mislynch

I'm a little way off my record :,) 1100 posts to beat \o/

Mine is about 1100 but I do not intend to ever do that again lol.

Well, at least one of you has to step it up (assuming you're town) since town is about to lose its most vocal poster

Excessive posting often does the opposite you want it to. Usually making content is good but when you flood the thread with posts it makes it harder for low posters to engage, not easier.

Not when you push said low posters to engage

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:48 pm Cook the goose!

Boil the duck!

Pepper the chicken!

Nice wagon you're joining. What will you do when I flip town?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:54 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:31 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:02 pm Looks like it's back into hibernation for me, hallelujah

Like this is the closest thing to an actual comment he has on my wagon

There's a red check on you lol

You've never seen a red check turn out to be fake?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:42 pm Several months back, I read an essay someone wrote for another site (I don't recall which) about how to win as a wolf. The gist of it was, "Post alot". I just went looking for it, and did not find it, but I did find this:

There are two basic strategies for werewolves. The first strategy is called as “swindle werewolf”, wherein a werewolf makes himself/herself seem to be a leader of villagers, such as a seer or a medium. The second strategy is called as “stealth werewolf” wherein a werewolf hides himself/herself as one of the villagers.

This is very basic info.

Posting a lot is also a perfectly valid strategy as town but whatever

If leetic is town, he should have been NKed last night imo. Full stop. LP was the doctor (not that LP would have protected leetic lol), and with no one to protect them, the baddies want to take that voice out of the thread.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, especially as we only have a sample size of one. There could be any number of reasons why Seanzie was chosen over me:

1. They legitimately thought they could get away with pushing a mislynch by tinfoiling me , if not D2 then in the future. People were tinfoiling me at EoD, after all.
2. They thought I was a useful idiot. They might have expected me to fervently pursue a Scotty lynch, for example.
3. Seanzie was a more pertinent target for whatever reason. Maybe their reads were better, maybe scum thought they saw a PR soft, but they ultimately decided that Seanzie was a bigger threat.

Plus, ultimately all this is WIFOM anyway, there are many cases where scum will make a "suboptimal" shot to throw town off the scent. If NK results show a pattern, that is one thing, but they are not typically indicative on their own.

Also, re Abigail. I have seen her be sure she was right about a person, from gut. She NEVER to the best of my knowledge tries to fakeclaim in that situation; she puts on a very confident face and clearly believes it, but she doesn't say she has info. I know this since I am a person she thinks is bad alot , and she's never done that to me. I've only ever seen her claim when she had info. So if she's saying it, and Dizzys play backs it up to my mind, I'm gonna trust her.

I agree this isn't her pushing a gutread, the only reason why I thought it could be a possibility was because I've seen that occur in the past, but it doesn't make sense to be so sure with such little time in the game. But that doesn't change the fact that the red is fake, and there are still many ways for it to be fake but the claim to still be real (redirectors, for instance).

No comment on the rest of the post; it's all stuff that will end up being useless when I flip town.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:42 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:24 pm Good night, friends.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME You probably do need to try this game.

@Thunal33 Wink wink

Idk I think I'm gonna give it a bit and see how it shakes out, ideally you guys kill a couple mafia today and tomorrow and I can swoop in later and give the game winning poe from there

Like right here. This, and pretty much the rest of his D1, look like complete fluff in hindsight.

Another thing that looks bad for NANOOK was that he was insinuating he'd have more reads D2 but then completely dipped

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:35 pm Roxy / SVS / Epi / Abi
Thunal??
Wilgy / Pyxxy / Nanook ?
LC / Jack

Current headspace with how things are playing out \o/ I dont think Jack/LC stack on Pyxxy if its Jack/LC w/w so I think there's a mini like. I guess triangle of LC/Jack/Pyxxy having mafia w/ the other two being town? I think that makes most sense given how EOD went. I'm not sure it's Pyxxy in those names right now, had them as townlean d1 so maybe that's clouding things a little? but I am v curious about how that wagon started up at EOD to begin with

What are your thoughts on NANOOK's D2 so far?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:02 pm Looks like it's back into hibernation for me, hallelujah

Like this is the closest thing to an actual comment he has on my wagon

Like, NANOOK didn't even announce their vote in their posts nor elaborate their suspicion at all. That's some real stealth voting there

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:27 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:24 pm If my wagon is pure, that means that there are 3 scum (2 or 4 is unlikely in a setup of this size) in DrWilgy/Delta/Roxy/pixxy/Jack

?_?

I'm town & I think Roxy is town

I dont think Wilgy/Jack/pyxxy works? I dont see w!Jack voting w!pyxxy at EOD with v/v wagons both being viable but I'd need to revisit what his reads were to see if he could vote scotty/lp there to begin with

With that in mind, who do you think is the most likely wolf on your wagon?

Probably LC or NANOOK. LC for reasons previously stated, and NANOOK because he wasn't really active and his posts aren't substantial, so it's not a real commitment for him to join my wagon

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:25 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:24 pm If my wagon is pure, that means that there are 3 scum (2 or 4 is unlikely in a setup of this size) in DrWilgy/Delta/Roxy/pixxy/Jack

Of this, I'd lean Wilgy/pixxy/Delta but I'm not sure. The thing is I don't think pixxy and Jack have partner equity based on EoD, but maybe Jack knew I'd switch to LP and that pixxy was in no real danger

Like, this could be the same mistake I made with NP in Philo 2

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:24 pm If my wagon is pure, that means that there are 3 scum (2 or 4 is unlikely in a setup of this size) in DrWilgy/Delta/Roxy/pixxy/Jack

Of this, I'd lean Wilgy/pixxy/Delta but I'm not sure. The thing is I don't think pixxy and Jack have partner equity based on EoD, but maybe Jack knew I'd switch to LP and that pixxy was in no real danger

If my wagon is pure, that means that there are 3 scum (2 or 4 is unlikely in a setup of this size) in DrWilgy/Delta/Roxy/pixxy/Jack

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:20 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:14 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:13 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:05 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:04 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:50 pm Well, if I'm really gonna die here, someone is gonna have to take my place as the super vocal townie

do I have to ;_;

I'm free if you want to talk outside of the red check, what are you thinking rn?

Since you asked me the question, do you think any votes on me look bad if I'm town?

I invite @Thunal33 to answer this as well

I don't think any look clearly bad, but I think Epi and SVS's both look good regardless of your flip and perhaps even better if you flip town. Both had pretty transparent thought processes before coming to confident conclusions that you're mafia. If you're town I'd expect maf to be more likely to hedge on you.

Do you agree with Delta's read on LC's vote?

I think it's odd but not necessarily wolfy. I wouldn't call saying something is odd a read.

Delta, pyxxy, and Roxy have shown up but not voted my wagon. Do you think any of them are "hedging" on me?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:18 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:13 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:13 pm Also, I think I surpassed my record for most posts in a single game! Not bad for a (likely) D2 mislynch

I'm a little way off my record :,) 1100 posts to beat \o/

Mine is about 1100 but I do not intend to ever do that again lol.

Well, at least one of you has to step it up (assuming you're town) since town is about to lose its most vocal poster

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:14 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:12 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:22 pm That sounds less like a gambit and more like irresponsible narcissism. Is that Abi's MO? That sounds far-fetched, especially for a newcomer to the game. It sounds a lot more like something a wolf might do, but you think Abi is a Town gambit-maker?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:29 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:06 pm Y'know, usually mechanically outed wolves just stop spewing. Something which I, noticeably, am not doing

This is desperately self-aware. [VOTE: leetic] aubergine

This is the shift I'm on about, it doesnt feel all too natural and I think it can be both v/w and w/w. It's just super odd x_x

Yeah, and it's also pretty odd that they used a line that was already used by multiple people without adding their own twist or elaboration

So yeah, my point here is that it seems like an easy way to come up with a "scumread" on me if you need an artificial way to make the switch

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:13 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:05 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:04 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:50 pm Well, if I'm really gonna die here, someone is gonna have to take my place as the super vocal townie

do I have to ;_;

I'm free if you want to talk outside of the red check, what are you thinking rn?

Since you asked me the question, do you think any votes on me look bad if I'm town?

I invite @Thunal33 to answer this as well

I don't think any look clearly bad, but I think Epi and SVS's both look good regardless of your flip and perhaps even better if you flip town. Both had pretty transparent thought processes before coming to confident conclusions that you're mafia. If you're town I'd expect maf to be more likely to hedge on you.

Do you agree with Delta's read on LC's vote?

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:12 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:22 pm That sounds less like a gambit and more like irresponsible narcissism. Is that Abi's MO? That sounds far-fetched, especially for a newcomer to the game. It sounds a lot more like something a wolf might do, but you think Abi is a Town gambit-maker?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:29 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:06 pm Y'know, usually mechanically outed wolves just stop spewing. Something which I, noticeably, am not doing

This is desperately self-aware. [VOTE: leetic] aubergine

This is the shift I'm on about, it doesnt feel all too natural and I think it can be both v/w and w/w. It's just super odd x_x

Yeah, and it's also pretty odd that they used a line that was already used by multiple people without adding their own twist or elaboration

Also, I think I surpassed my record for most posts in a single game! Not bad for a (likely) D2 mislynch

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:11 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:09 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:05 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:04 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:50 pm Well, if I'm really gonna die here, someone is gonna have to take my place as the super vocal townie

do I have to ;_;

I'm free if you want to talk outside of the red check, what are you thinking rn?

Since you asked me the question, do you think any votes on me look bad if I'm town?

I invite @Thunal33 to answer this as well

Long Con's reaction to Abi's claim is odd & their later posts treating you as if you're boxed in feels especially weird, I think regardless of what you flip.

So I would say LC more than anyone else on the wagon

Do you think there's anything weird about pyxxy's reaction or lack thereof?

Notably, they even responded to one of my posts without discussing the elephant in the room

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:09 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:05 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:04 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:50 pm Well, if I'm really gonna die here, someone is gonna have to take my place as the super vocal townie

do I have to ;_;

I'm free if you want to talk outside of the red check, what are you thinking rn?

Since you asked me the question, do you think any votes on me look bad if I'm town?

I invite @Thunal33 to answer this as well

Long Con's reaction to Abi's claim is odd & their later posts treating you as if you're boxed in feels especially weird, I think regardless of what you flip.

So I would say LC more than anyone else on the wagon

Do you think there's anything weird about pyxxy's reaction or lack thereof?

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:04 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:50 pm Well, if I'm really gonna die here, someone is gonna have to take my place as the super vocal townie

do I have to ;_;

I'm free if you want to talk outside of the red check, what are you thinking rn?

Since you asked me the question, do you think any votes on me look bad if I'm town?

I invite @Thunal33 to answer this as well

I guess I expect players here to have some baseline competence. But that turned out to be my undoing

I tried my best this game, but there's only so much one person can do. I still want to pressure people, but when all they'll talk about is the fake redcheck what's the point?

Despite everything, I still want town to win this, if only because my w/l ratio on this site is still absolutely terrible. Still, if town wants to make that happen, they really have to put in the work, and I still strongly recommend that y'all will prepare for the eventuality that I will flip town

Well, if I'm really gonna die here, someone is gonna have to take my place as the super vocal townie

*night actions

@DrWilgy @Jackofhearts2005 Tagging since you are the two who haven't really shown up after the false redcheck. If either of you have bight actions that could have caused this to happen, you need to claim asap.

Also Abigail it's never too late to rescind

Can't believe I'm saying this but I miss Dyslexicon

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:13 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:12 pm I'm still disappointed that few if any people are using any critical thinking on the supposed redcheck

Stop please.

Why? It would be anti-town to just let this mislynch happen, even if I am cursed with the knowledge that there is little if anything I can do to prevent it

Also didn't you say you would stop responding to me?

I'm still disappointed that few if any people are using any critical thinking on the supposed redcheck

The pyxxy wagon is 100% pure right now, why not join that

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:07 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:04 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:02 pm @leetic

Out of the people voting you, who do you think has been towny in their approach vs wolfy?

As I said earlier, if Abigail is town (which I think is most likely, there is no reason for scum to make this gambit here) then wolves usually allow town to eat themselves. That would match up with pyxxy's behavior… and yours.

to that last part, I havent been here long enough to really catch up until now

Do you think your wagon is pure then? Because with this stance, there should be people approaching the check on you with TMI that it's on town. Do you think myself or pyxxy fit that role?

I wouldn't say it's guaranteed, but I lean on my wagon being pure right now. Of course, there are people who haven't really shown up since said incident like Jack and Wilgy that it could also be. And I think you misunderstand, scum doesn't really have to approach this situation at all to get what they want

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:03 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:50 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:47 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:39 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:22 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:34 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:30 pm

Another person claiming cop would make a hypothetical real cop outside you/Abi more likely to claim.

The point was never to hold onto it for long. Ideally, Abigail would have rescinded, then I would immediately rescind afterwards, and nobody would have to be outed

lololololololololololololololol

You kids are so hilarious.
This also makes zero sense and feels like scrambling what townie would do this?

What makes zero sense about this? I've been through a similar situation before that ended up being disastrous for town and wanted to limit the damage in this game but it seems that PA is insistent on this terrible lynch

Like the terrible elim you led yesterday without listening to any other player trying to point out that you could be wrong?

It was hardly "terrible", it was the best choice we could have made based on the evidence. LP's last post was a huge blunder for town and they could have easily saved themselves by claiming but didn't for some reason. The only thing that makes it super unfortunate is that they turned out to be a PR, but otherwise eliminating an inactive town is miles better than eliminating an active one. I'd like to point out that Dizzy, whose slot's testimony you depend on to SR me, was also on the wagon

l depend on no one else's read but my own. Why do I need someone else to tell me who to sus when I'm perfectly capable to do it myself?

The super unfortunate thing that happened yesterday was too many people followed you.

No, the unfortunate thing was that LP didn't claim when doing so would have saved them. That wasn't my fault

Why are people constantly defending anti-town plays here?