The Syndicate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:42 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:32 pm @staypositivefriend What is your read on Lime now?
i think he's town. i think that lime is the type of wolf that's more likely to go with the flow and try to look agreeable/"pro-town" on a surface level, whereas his play here has been individualistic in a way that i found towny. he still hasnt let go of his wolfread on nutella even though most of the thread has moved on from it, and there's a level of conviction behind his posts that i think he would have trouble replicating as a wolf

Why are you townreading nutella?

cassandra wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:42 am tbh i read through esooa's reads' list and i think it's bad lol

Yeah, there's less hedging than I expected but still way too much hedging

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:20 pm i think spf looks pretty compatible with jay, treated him hesitantly etc and hasn't been particularly towny, and i would bet she's a/the teammate included on jay's town list. shes also approached me awkwardly today imo, she said twice like "nutella is prob just town" in an uncharacteristically hedgy way as a wolf capitulating to my townieness might be

You're not one to talk about being uncharacteristically hedgy

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:19 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:19 am @leetic Why did you decide to vote Jimmay in the end? You argued against it shortly before you did vote, iirc?
@leetic

It was him or anne and I thought the anne wagon was wolfy (and turned out to be right)

Also, I wasn't expecting scum Jay to be so lame, especially after he has done much better as scum in the past. Oh well, that was probably the one time when I nearly fell for "too scummy to be scum"

Anyway, these past two pages were a dumpster fire, and I believe scum is trying to disrupt our towncore. The anne wagon is still awful and the spf one isn't much better. Do better guys

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:09 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:05 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:04 pm SPF, I'm noticing while catching up that you have randed mafia.
if youre a wolf then you probably need me to get chopped at some point in this game to fulfill your win condition, so that tracks
That doesn't track anything. "If I am" then that tracks. You need to figure out if I am woof or not first, my tuna. And as some people are able to understand, me chiming into the game for real for the first time now makes me IC. But feel free to ignore that or sprinkle wifom on it.

Why are you the player that I have the least reason to townread?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:59 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:52 pm I’m not sure any chop on the board is a bigger shrug than Wilgy. I have no read. Folks newer to him should be aware though that his general approach to this game isn’t atypical of what I know of DrWilgy. This is what he do
You're hedging on two potential wagons now. What is your GTH on Anne and Wilgy, and MR and Axehole for that matter?
nutella is right about hedging, at least in the current culture.

M, T, T, T gun to head

Jay is a smart enough player to know that this would look really bad on him if either Wilgy or Axehole flipped scum. I'd say that this is currently the strongest piece of evidence in their favors.

Damn, forgot Marmot

Marmot: Good looking effort, scum would be unlikely to make that claim as they wouldn't want town to know that they settle ties

I'll do a trustfall exercise, stating my biggest reason(s) for townreading each slot:

anne: Jay preferred her over Wilgy and Axehole to die, and since he seemed unconcerned with them dying a team of all four seems very unlikely
cassandra: Main reason Jay died, progression is similar to mine and ilario's
DrWilgy: Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying, MR is a decent shot, has been at least stepping up his effort this phase
Dyslexicon: Um, has at least voiced some suspicion of nutella, who I think is scum?
Esooa: Seemed unfamiliar with game mechanics when she first posted, she may have been more caught up if she was in wolfchat
falcon45ca: Cleared by Mac in what I think is too much of a gambit to be w/w
iaafr: Ballsy vanilla claim, may have been unlikely to take off Jay vote at EoD if he knew Jay was scum
ilario: Is mod confirmed town to me
Lime Coke: Good looking EoD, similar progression to me and ilario
MacDougall: Would have probably used his clear earlier if scum, decent looking Jay interactions
NotAnAxehole: Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying, 640 seems like it'd be too obvious for a partner interaction, hunting for a team of 3 rather than 4 may be a derpclear
nutella: Some of her EoD posts concerning iaafr would look weird if anne flips town, which seems likely
staypositivefriend: Did end up voting JJJ, has a somewhat similar progression as me and ilario

Overall, I think it says something how little reason I have to townread Dyslexicon

Can anyone give me a reason to townread nutella beyond "feels genuine"?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:39 pm
cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:37 pm I just opened Nook's iso and he thought Sloon was maf because busy town Sloon tries to me at least one read so yeah I may be townreading Esooa way too easily here

Tiers:
Illario, leertic, Falcon, Lime Coke
Iaafr, Nutella, Spf

Marmot
--POE
Dizzy
Wilgy
Esooa
NAA
Anne
Mac
am I going to have to find the games sloonei did literally nothing as town d1 because there's multiple iirc

Firstly, that would be NAI at best. Secondly, and this goes to everyone, I'd like it if we'd stop speculating about Sloonei's reasons for inactivity/needing a sub. I remember people doing that kind of thing to me when I had to sub out due to a mental health crisis, and I did not like that one bit, especially when people were still bringing it up more than a year after the fact. Besides, Esooa gives us more than enough to work with.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:26 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:25 pm Still don't think anne's scum, if Wilgy or Axehole flips bad I might consider it but for now there are much better actions

Not really buying the case on Mac right now either
Who's your Top 3 POE right now?

nutella, Esooa, Dyslexicon

Wilgy and Axehole are in the periphery of my PoE, I wouldn't vote them today unless something major happens. I think the latter currently has more going for him in terms of towniness. Mac and SPF would only be in contention if one of nutella/Esooa, one of Wilgy/Axehole, and Dyslexicon are all resolved.

Still don't think anne's scum, if Wilgy or Axehole flips bad I might consider it but for now there are much better actions

Not really buying the case on Mac right now either

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:42 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:39 am Why are illario and leetic in the poll together?
you had like a zillion hours to read the thread during night phase im not babying you

You said that she had a zillion hours, when town thought she would have had six hours at most. You also said during the night phase, when town thought the night phase would last only two hours at most. This just feels too offhanded to be anything other than a slip.

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:45 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:43 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:38 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:37 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:33 am @nutella why are you wolf reading me
idk i don't really actively anymore, iaafr townreading you is a good sign

just, sloon did nothing and your entrance didnt help much but you're ok now maybe

ok im actually going to bed, @cassandra lemme leave you with this, iaafr townreading me should be taken like hally or ladd townreading me, p sure hes never been wrong (i promise reading me is super easy once you know what to look for)
I don't really know how you go from saying "does anyone have an ITA" irt me to posting this

Why did you wolf read me before? You said I was wolfy, not that my entrance didn't help much
well like i said you could have been pocketing me and some other ways you engaged thread didn't sit well with me

and yeah the ita comment was an impulsive moment of confidence bc sloon was such a nothing/potentially compatible with jay so your slot felt like a straight poe slot to just flip

one last hedgy take before i go to bed: i dont get the scumreads on dizzy, sure hes in the poe but i thought his posts felt ok and im a bit anti consensus there and it's exactly what i did with jay so probably im wrong and youre all right again and lolme but maybe not
You still haven't answered why you said that Esooa had "zillions of hours" to read the thread. Do that before you go to bed please.

nutella, if you continue to ignore this I'll take it as an admission that you're bad and partnered with Esooa

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:43 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:38 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:37 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:33 am @nutella why are you wolf reading me
idk i don't really actively anymore, iaafr townreading you is a good sign

just, sloon did nothing and your entrance didnt help much but you're ok now maybe

ok im actually going to bed, @cassandra lemme leave you with this, iaafr townreading me should be taken like hally or ladd townreading me, p sure hes never been wrong (i promise reading me is super easy once you know what to look for)
I don't really know how you go from saying "does anyone have an ITA" irt me to posting this

Why did you wolf read me before? You said I was wolfy, not that my entrance didn't help much
well like i said you could have been pocketing me and some other ways you engaged thread didn't sit well with me

and yeah the ita comment was an impulsive moment of confidence bc sloon was such a nothing/potentially compatible with jay so your slot felt like a straight poe slot to just flip

one last hedgy take before i go to bed: i dont get the scumreads on dizzy, sure hes in the poe but i thought his posts felt ok and im a bit anti consensus there and it's exactly what i did with jay so probably im wrong and youre all right again and lolme but maybe not

You still haven't answered why you said that Esooa had "zillions of hours" to read the thread. Do that before you go to bed please.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:24 am Yeah, the scum are probably Dizzy / Esooa

Interesting that you're looking for a team of three when the signup thread says there's a team of four

cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:17 am im pretty sure someone TMI'd me as real so i got role copped

Is there a way you know this? How would you know the role cop is scum?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:20 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:14 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:11 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:09 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:07 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:06 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:04 am

Are you really just gonna go back to tunneling for no reason like this?
Can I see a defense against the points people are making against you? I know you've only been here a short time but you still found time to tinfoil like four separate people, it's the least you could do
No
Yeah you're full of shit. [VOTE: Esooa] aubergine Even my previous point for you can be rescinded given nutella's interaction, and you have not given me one indication you are town. nutella's still scummier but I would not mind going after this.
Your previous points are about Sloonei, lmfao

90% of the rest are "PoE cause they subbed in "

The only existing not-that reasons are Alexa going off because I didn't agree with her, and SPF saying that I am slightly tonally off in whatever way, I forgot

Extremely cringe
You have tried to go after me for basically no reason other than "wallpost", you've tried shading Mac with no explanation, you have a hedgy and overly convoluted nutella defense, nutella has given a number of strong indications of being partnered with you, I don't even care about Sloonei at this point because the evidence against you is so much stronger.
i would like to flip esooa with you but you seem hellbent on her being tied to me, pls dont. i scumread her slot and she just started defending me possibly as a pocket

Why did you say that she had "zillions of hours" to read the thread? None of us townies knew Sloonei was being subbed until 6 yesterday but you seem to know something I don't.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:17 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:14 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:11 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:09 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:07 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:06 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:04 am

Are you really just gonna go back to tunneling for no reason like this?
Can I see a defense against the points people are making against you? I know you've only been here a short time but you still found time to tinfoil like four separate people, it's the least you could do
No
Yeah you're full of shit. [VOTE: Esooa] aubergine Even my previous point for you can be rescinded given nutella's interaction, and you have not given me one indication you are town. nutella's still scummier but I would not mind going after this.
Your previous points are about Sloonei, lmfao

90% of the rest are "PoE cause they subbed in "

The only existing not-that reasons are Alexa going off because I didn't agree with her, and SPF saying that I am slightly tonally off in whatever way, I forgot

Extremely cringe
You have tried to go after me for basically no reason other than "wallpost", you've tried shading Mac with no explanation, you have a hedgy and overly convoluted nutella defense, nutella has given a number of strong indications of being partnered with you, I don't even care about Sloonei at this point because the evidence against you is so much stronger.
I'm gonna tell you why this post is really fucking awful then leave

You're doing the same shit people do every game someone subs in where you think because my reads aren't the equivalent of other day 2-esque reads they're bad, and it's stupid

I never shaded Mac and to even try to call it that is AWFUL

I COMPLETELY VALIDLY said his interactions that Iaafr quoted are not good for him

Mac is literally one of the best people at making good w/w interactions I know

He has literally made a partner die because he randomly RT'd a red on them and they responded poorly

I did not hedge on my Nutella defense, I explained my thoughts irt to the post

Partially too because it was something I was feeling earlier, and then remember that's just a part of Nutella, and it's probably towny overall

The "Nutella is partnered with you" thing is really just pointless

Thnx tho, later now

It's kind of the opposite, some of your "reads" make it seem like you were here for longer than an hour

I still really need to conserve posts, I'm still in my fire mode from last EoD

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:14 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:11 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:09 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:07 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:06 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:04 am
cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:02 am ok im pretty sure esooa and nutella are just outing
Are you really just gonna go back to tunneling for no reason like this?
Can I see a defense against the points people are making against you? I know you've only been here a short time but you still found time to tinfoil like four separate people, it's the least you could do
No
Yeah you're full of shit. [VOTE: Esooa] aubergine Even my previous point for you can be rescinded given nutella's interaction, and you have not given me one indication you are town. nutella's still scummier but I would not mind going after this.
Your previous points are about Sloonei, lmfao

90% of the rest are "PoE cause they subbed in "

The only existing not-that reasons are Alexa going off because I didn't agree with her, and SPF saying that I am slightly tonally off in whatever way, I forgot

Extremely cringe
You're also mafia because you're voting someone who hammered scum... I don't know that I've ever seen you make that leap in logic. THOUGH... Me hammering my partner at EoD there would certainly play into this narrative that people are trying to shoehorn in that I'm a gAmEtHroWeR.

Ilario's read on me is actually super towny though, and amusing.

You didn't hammer scum, you only voted after Jay was already basically dead and you posted no suspicion of Jay beforehand. Why?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:13 am
cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:02 am ok im pretty sure esooa and nutella are just outing
this whole outing thing is so weird like cmon

youve seen me scum right? it's...not like this

I've seen scum Jay before and he was nowhere near this lame, but what do you know.

Also I am burning through posts way too fast, sorry ilario

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:11 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:09 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:07 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:06 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:04 am
cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:02 am ok im pretty sure esooa and nutella are just outing
Are you really just gonna go back to tunneling for no reason like this?
Can I see a defense against the points people are making against you? I know you've only been here a short time but you still found time to tinfoil like four separate people, it's the least you could do
No
Yeah you're full of shit. [VOTE: Esooa] aubergine Even my previous point for you can be rescinded given nutella's interaction, and you have not given me one indication you are town. nutella's still scummier but I would not mind going after this.
Your previous points are about Sloonei, lmfao

90% of the rest are "PoE cause they subbed in "

The only existing not-that reasons are Alexa going off because I didn't agree with her, and SPF saying that I am slightly tonally off in whatever way, I forgot

Extremely cringe

You have tried to go after me for basically no reason other than "wallpost", you've tried shading Mac with no explanation, you have a hedgy and overly convoluted nutella defense, nutella has given a number of strong indications of being partnered with you, I don't even care about Sloonei at this point because the evidence against you is so much stronger.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:07 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:06 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:04 am
cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:02 am ok im pretty sure esooa and nutella are just outing
Are you really just gonna go back to tunneling for no reason like this?
Can I see a defense against the points people are making against you? I know you've only been here a short time but you still found time to tinfoil like four separate people, it's the least you could do
No

Yeah you're full of shit. [VOTE: Esooa] aubergine Even my previous point for you can be rescinded given nutella's interaction, and you have not given me one indication you are town. nutella's still scummier but I would not mind going after this.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:04 am
cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:02 am ok im pretty sure esooa and nutella are just outing
Are you really just gonna go back to tunneling for no reason like this?

Can I see a defense against the points people are making against you? I know you've only been here a short time but you still found time to tinfoil like four separate people, it's the least you could do

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:57 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:52 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:49 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:48 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:46 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:25 am Lime ngl I don't blame you for thinking my d1 was weak, I'm playing more low key than usual due to rl stuff, and on that note I will be flying home tomorrow and will be quite sparse

Still it should be clear that I'm uninformed and jumping between reads organically

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:24 am if you guys really think that's how i would approach a teammate jay when everyone else called out that he was off, im actually kinda insulted
whats up with this though
idk read nutellas iso and control f jay in the middle pages

to me it reads like somebody thinking everybody finding jay off was within the tolerance for his recent towngame meta and overcorrecting

like she said

as opposed to a scum partner trying to powerwolf jay out of contention

this exactly yes

i could explain my history with reading jay if i have time but this is the gist
But the thing is both you and Jay felt off the same way by being much hedgier than your normal selves. Why were you like that at EoD? And more importantly,

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:58 pm This is fine actually lmao
Why is this the only thing you had to say at EoD, without even changing your vote?
i dont think you have a clue what my normal self is, youve barely played with me and not recently, hedging is normal townie behavior for me and honestly your closed mindedness about hedging is one of my biggest pet peeves in mafia

Yes, because JJJ's hedging was so towny

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:53 am if jay had stated trs on wilgy and naa then ofc he'd want to appear consistent with that so

he also wasnt here at eod anyway and his vote timing is important, maybe he didn't expect anne to be super at risk of going over

He actually was pushing Axehole early on but gave up for some reason

Nobody would've blamed him if he went after Axehole or Wilgy since they were both widely scumread, the fact that he didn't tells me that he really didn't care about the possibility of anne dying

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:49 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:48 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:46 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:25 am Lime ngl I don't blame you for thinking my d1 was weak, I'm playing more low key than usual due to rl stuff, and on that note I will be flying home tomorrow and will be quite sparse

Still it should be clear that I'm uninformed and jumping between reads organically

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:24 am if you guys really think that's how i would approach a teammate jay when everyone else called out that he was off, im actually kinda insulted
whats up with this though
idk read nutellas iso and control f jay in the middle pages

to me it reads like somebody thinking everybody finding jay off was within the tolerance for his recent towngame meta and overcorrecting

like she said

as opposed to a scum partner trying to powerwolf jay out of contention

this exactly yes

i could explain my history with reading jay if i have time but this is the gist

But the thing is both you and Jay felt off the same way by being much hedgier than your normal selves. Why were you like that at EoD? And more importantly,

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:58 pm This is fine actually lmao

Why is this the only thing you had to say at EoD, without even changing your vote?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:44 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:40 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:37 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:33 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:29 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:29 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:53 pm Maybe this is the game Jimmay and Sloonmeister finally landed mafia together. We can only hope.
What do you guys think about this post from Dyslexicon? It kind of came out of nowhere, especially considering they hadn't voiced suspicion of either slot up to that point, and the posts leading up to it don't elucidate it any further
smells unaligned 2 me
It kind of reeks of trying too hard, since the post came from nowhere and did not flow naturally from their or anyone else's progression. It just feels like TMI.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:30 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:21 am List of people from least suspicious to most suspicious:

ilario - Mod-confirmed town to me
Marmot - Strong claim, doubt mafia would take responsibility for settling ties rather than keeping it hidden
cassandra - Good progression, good-looking EoD
Lime Coke - Same reasons as cassandra
falcon45ca - Is only scum if Mac is also, and probably not even then
anne - Not sure why people are still suspecting her, only way she's scum is if Wilgy and Axehole are also scum otherwise Jay would have no reason to bus
MacDougall - Good-looking interactions with Jay, Mac's a good enough player that he can fake them though. Still, I think the claim is more likely town than not.
iaafr - A bit all over the place at EoD, I have mixed feelings about him jumping off Jay's wagon, but there's still a lot of reasons to townread him
staypositivefriend - Probably my least confident of my town reads, she's towny but nothing that's lock town and is a little hedgy for my liking
NotAnAxehole - Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying and 640 seems too obvious for a w/w interaction. Still, I'm not a fan of how he voted JJJ at last minute while previously saying he wouldn't vote Jay.
DrWilgy - Like Axehole, Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying, and I can kind of see why MR would be a good shot from a town perspective. Still, there's nothing in his ISO that's particularly towny.
Sloonei/whoever his replacement is - Largely here due to PoE and a couple of Jay interactions that look not the best,
Dyslexicon - Many posts that look scummy in hindsight, 1035 is a noticeable example, bad Jay interactions
nutella - Showed same hedginess of Jay, scummy defense of Jay, last post before EoD was particularly scummy, seriously I would be shocked if this doesn't flip wolf.
wall post wolf
Yeah, you're gonna have to try harder than that. My post restriction's twice as strict as yours, y'know
You made a couple posts claiming a red check but you had literal no conviction in it, and then you left for a bit to return with a random wall post, just feels mostly fake to me right now, and like giving thoughts rather to look productive rather than having them

Yeah, it was a gambit, and I was playing Smash with a friend so I couldn't post right away. I've been collecting my thoughts in BTSC for the better part of the last 48 hours. Why are you judging my post by these technicalities rather than what's actually in them?

Also, can someone who suspects anne tell me why they think JJJ would bus her? Also, what do you make of JJJ's hedginess the last time he was in thread, do you think he would have acted the same way if he thought that there was a considerable risk that one of his teammates would have gone down?
jay's stance on anne was quite weak/shrug, can easily see it as a nonchalant bus as her wagon took off, might need to reread it though

Why would Jay bus anne when he could have easily taken Wilgy or Axehole down? He had a GTH town on those two for some reason

And even if his stance on anne was noncommittal, it was still the closest thing to a suspect he posted in like the entire thread

cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:43 am I HARD CLAIM PROTECTIVE

I would just like to ask why you felt the need to do this

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:45 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:42 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:42 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:39 am Why are illario and leetic in the poll together?
you had like a zillion hours to read the thread during night phase im not babying you

Uh.... Did she sub in over night, or right as the day turned?
it was posted several hours earlier

They would have had 5 hours at most to read the thread after it was announced though. That post is still weird.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:42 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:40 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:37 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:33 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:29 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:29 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:53 pm Maybe this is the game Jimmay and Sloonmeister finally landed mafia together. We can only hope.
What do you guys think about this post from Dyslexicon? It kind of came out of nowhere, especially considering they hadn't voiced suspicion of either slot up to that point, and the posts leading up to it don't elucidate it any further
smells unaligned 2 me
It kind of reeks of trying too hard, since the post came from nowhere and did not flow naturally from their or anyone else's progression. It just feels like TMI.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:30 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:21 am List of people from least suspicious to most suspicious:

ilario - Mod-confirmed town to me
Marmot - Strong claim, doubt mafia would take responsibility for settling ties rather than keeping it hidden
cassandra - Good progression, good-looking EoD
Lime Coke - Same reasons as cassandra
falcon45ca - Is only scum if Mac is also, and probably not even then
anne - Not sure why people are still suspecting her, only way she's scum is if Wilgy and Axehole are also scum otherwise Jay would have no reason to bus
MacDougall - Good-looking interactions with Jay, Mac's a good enough player that he can fake them though. Still, I think the claim is more likely town than not.
iaafr - A bit all over the place at EoD, I have mixed feelings about him jumping off Jay's wagon, but there's still a lot of reasons to townread him
staypositivefriend - Probably my least confident of my town reads, she's towny but nothing that's lock town and is a little hedgy for my liking
NotAnAxehole - Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying and 640 seems too obvious for a w/w interaction. Still, I'm not a fan of how he voted JJJ at last minute while previously saying he wouldn't vote Jay.
DrWilgy - Like Axehole, Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying, and I can kind of see why MR would be a good shot from a town perspective. Still, there's nothing in his ISO that's particularly towny.
Sloonei/whoever his replacement is - Largely here due to PoE and a couple of Jay interactions that look not the best,
Dyslexicon - Many posts that look scummy in hindsight, 1035 is a noticeable example, bad Jay interactions
nutella - Showed same hedginess of Jay, scummy defense of Jay, last post before EoD was particularly scummy, seriously I would be shocked if this doesn't flip wolf.
wall post wolf
Yeah, you're gonna have to try harder than that. My post restriction's twice as strict as yours, y'know
You made a couple posts claiming a red check but you had literal no conviction in it, and then you left for a bit to return with a random wall post, just feels mostly fake to me right now, and like giving thoughts rather to look productive rather than having them

Yeah, it was a gambit, and I was playing Smash with a friend so I couldn't post right away. I've been collecting my thoughts in BTSC for the better part of the last 48 hours. Why are you judging my post by these technicalities rather than what's actually in them?

Also, can someone who suspects anne tell me why they think JJJ would bus her? Also, what do you make of JJJ's hedginess the last time he was in thread, do you think he would have acted the same way if he thought that there was a considerable risk that one of his teammates would have gone down?
How is that a technicality? You had the desire to fake a red on your wolf read and the conviction of a wet towel in it?

But apparently you're a mason so lol

I didn't want a potential town cop to CC me lol

But this conversation is wasting precious posts for me, so I'll drop it

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:39 am Why are illario and leetic in the poll together?

I mean, your confusion at all the basic game mechanics seems genuine at least, so I can believe you were not in wolfchat for the past ~6 hours

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:37 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:33 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:29 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:29 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:53 pm Maybe this is the game Jimmay and Sloonmeister finally landed mafia together. We can only hope.
What do you guys think about this post from Dyslexicon? It kind of came out of nowhere, especially considering they hadn't voiced suspicion of either slot up to that point, and the posts leading up to it don't elucidate it any further
smells unaligned 2 me
It kind of reeks of trying too hard, since the post came from nowhere and did not flow naturally from their or anyone else's progression. It just feels like TMI.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:30 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:21 am List of people from least suspicious to most suspicious:

ilario - Mod-confirmed town to me
Marmot - Strong claim, doubt mafia would take responsibility for settling ties rather than keeping it hidden
cassandra - Good progression, good-looking EoD
Lime Coke - Same reasons as cassandra
falcon45ca - Is only scum if Mac is also, and probably not even then
anne - Not sure why people are still suspecting her, only way she's scum is if Wilgy and Axehole are also scum otherwise Jay would have no reason to bus
MacDougall - Good-looking interactions with Jay, Mac's a good enough player that he can fake them though. Still, I think the claim is more likely town than not.
iaafr - A bit all over the place at EoD, I have mixed feelings about him jumping off Jay's wagon, but there's still a lot of reasons to townread him
staypositivefriend - Probably my least confident of my town reads, she's towny but nothing that's lock town and is a little hedgy for my liking
NotAnAxehole - Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying and 640 seems too obvious for a w/w interaction. Still, I'm not a fan of how he voted JJJ at last minute while previously saying he wouldn't vote Jay.
DrWilgy - Like Axehole, Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying, and I can kind of see why MR would be a good shot from a town perspective. Still, there's nothing in his ISO that's particularly towny.
Sloonei/whoever his replacement is - Largely here due to PoE and a couple of Jay interactions that look not the best,
Dyslexicon - Many posts that look scummy in hindsight, 1035 is a noticeable example, bad Jay interactions
nutella - Showed same hedginess of Jay, scummy defense of Jay, last post before EoD was particularly scummy, seriously I would be shocked if this doesn't flip wolf.
wall post wolf
Yeah, you're gonna have to try harder than that. My post restriction's twice as strict as yours, y'know
You made a couple posts claiming a red check but you had literal no conviction in it, and then you left for a bit to return with a random wall post, just feels mostly fake to me right now, and like giving thoughts rather to look productive rather than having them

Yeah, it was a gambit, and I was playing Smash with a friend so I couldn't post right away. I've been collecting my thoughts in BTSC for the better part of the last 48 hours. Why are you judging my post by these technicalities rather than what's actually in them?

Also, can someone who suspects anne tell me why they think JJJ would bus her? Also, what do you make of JJJ's hedginess the last time he was in thread, do you think he would have acted the same way if he thought that there was a considerable risk that one of his teammates would have gone down?

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:29 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:29 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:53 pm Maybe this is the game Jimmay and Sloonmeister finally landed mafia together. We can only hope.
What do you guys think about this post from Dyslexicon? It kind of came out of nowhere, especially considering they hadn't voiced suspicion of either slot up to that point, and the posts leading up to it don't elucidate it any further
smells unaligned 2 me

It kind of reeks of trying too hard, since the post came from nowhere and did not flow naturally from their or anyone else's progression. It just feels like TMI.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:30 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:21 am List of people from least suspicious to most suspicious:

ilario - Mod-confirmed town to me
Marmot - Strong claim, doubt mafia would take responsibility for settling ties rather than keeping it hidden
cassandra - Good progression, good-looking EoD
Lime Coke - Same reasons as cassandra
falcon45ca - Is only scum if Mac is also, and probably not even then
anne - Not sure why people are still suspecting her, only way she's scum is if Wilgy and Axehole are also scum otherwise Jay would have no reason to bus
MacDougall - Good-looking interactions with Jay, Mac's a good enough player that he can fake them though. Still, I think the claim is more likely town than not.
iaafr - A bit all over the place at EoD, I have mixed feelings about him jumping off Jay's wagon, but there's still a lot of reasons to townread him
staypositivefriend - Probably my least confident of my town reads, she's towny but nothing that's lock town and is a little hedgy for my liking
NotAnAxehole - Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying and 640 seems too obvious for a w/w interaction. Still, I'm not a fan of how he voted JJJ at last minute while previously saying he wouldn't vote Jay.
DrWilgy - Like Axehole, Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying, and I can kind of see why MR would be a good shot from a town perspective. Still, there's nothing in his ISO that's particularly towny.
Sloonei/whoever his replacement is - Largely here due to PoE and a couple of Jay interactions that look not the best,
Dyslexicon - Many posts that look scummy in hindsight, 1035 is a noticeable example, bad Jay interactions
nutella - Showed same hedginess of Jay, scummy defense of Jay, last post before EoD was particularly scummy, seriously I would be shocked if this doesn't flip wolf.
wall post wolf

Yeah, you're gonna have to try harder than that. My post restriction's twice as strict as yours, y'know

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:27 am
cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:27 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:26 amanne / naa / x
that feels like the copout
well nutellas a villager and this playerlist is townsided af

Why do you townread nutella? Have you reread her posts after Jay's flip?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:53 pm Maybe this is the game Jimmay and Sloonmeister finally landed mafia together. We can only hope.

What do you guys think about this post from Dyslexicon? It kind of came out of nowhere, especially considering they hadn't voiced suspicion of either slot up to that point, and the posts leading up to it don't elucidate it any further

List of people from least suspicious to most suspicious:

ilario - Mod-confirmed town to me
Marmot - Strong claim, doubt mafia would take responsibility for settling ties rather than keeping it hidden
cassandra - Good progression, good-looking EoD
Lime Coke - Same reasons as cassandra
falcon45ca - Is only scum if Mac is also, and probably not even then
anne - Not sure why people are still suspecting her, only way she's scum is if Wilgy and Axehole are also scum otherwise Jay would have no reason to bus
MacDougall - Good-looking interactions with Jay, Mac's a good enough player that he can fake them though. Still, I think the claim is more likely town than not.
iaafr - A bit all over the place at EoD, I have mixed feelings about him jumping off Jay's wagon, but there's still a lot of reasons to townread him
staypositivefriend - Probably my least confident of my town reads, she's towny but nothing that's lock town and is a little hedgy for my liking
NotAnAxehole - Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying and 640 seems too obvious for a w/w interaction. Still, I'm not a fan of how he voted JJJ at last minute while previously saying he wouldn't vote Jay.
DrWilgy - Like Axehole, Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying, and I can kind of see why MR would be a good shot from a town perspective. Still, there's nothing in his ISO that's particularly towny.
Sloonei/whoever his replacement is - Largely here due to PoE and a couple of Jay interactions that look not the best,
Dyslexicon - Many posts that look scummy in hindsight, 1035 is a noticeable example, bad Jay interactions
nutella - Showed same hedginess of Jay, scummy defense of Jay, last post before EoD was particularly scummy, seriously I would be shocked if this doesn't flip wolf.

Yeah, that was just a gambit

More thoughts later when I have access to my laptop

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:11 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:02 am @ilario voting the deciding vote against mafia is a bad play tbh. I have no reason to move from Anne to JJJ if I'm on his team.
Bc Anne is also maf obv

Explain why I have a red check on you.

cassandra wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:02 pm can we still talk?

Rules say nights are closed, so presumably not

This post is a paradox

A Wilgy CFD won't happen in time

Fingers crossed

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:57 pm Wait leetic if it’s not similar why are we voting jjj lmak

I don't like the Anne wagon

Screw it

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:55 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:54 pm I'd recommend everyone look at scum Jay here: https://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.ph ... ry.268037/

(Obviously after the flip today)
U think it’s very similar ?

No, it's not at all similar

What happened to the Wilgy wagon? Now there's two wagons I'm not confident on

I'd recommend everyone look at scum Jay here: https://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.ph ... ry.268037/

(Obviously after the flip today)

The voters on Wilgy are a lot more inspiring that Anne, with Nanook and Marmot being the only exceptions

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:50 pm [VOTE: Anne] aubergine

I thought you said you didn't like ties

I haven't played here in like a year so maybe things have changed. Still, Jay and nutella's behavior with regards to hedging seems odd and the opposite of how they'd previously act

Dyslexicon is voting for the fence-sitting option and I do not like that one bit

If scum has a roleblocker, Wilgy's useless either way, but that's not guaranteed in this setup. Still, even a town blocker would have good reason to block Wilgy at this point.

Switching to Wilgy as I prefer that wagon over Anne's

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:45 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:43 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:41 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:39 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:38 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:35 pm Vlte sloonei
Not the biggest fan of Sloonei's contributions and he has partner equity with MR but should we really vote an inactive? That is never a good idea D1
Woops, you have different ideas about playing mafia, now I gotta kill you. Sorry bud, those are the rules
Don't be a smart ass, answer my questions

Why would you think a vote on an inactive is optimal for today?
I think they're a bit above rand mafia, partly because I have some confident town reads, partly because I thibk a busy town sloon at least tries to put one or two reads out

So I wanna kill them
I think he has some scummy interactions with MR, what do you think of that slot?
I'm a notably horrific radishes reader

I do find it odd that when Sloonei was trying to catch up, he was talking with Radishes rather than a more active player. It almost felt like a planned entrance to me

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:43 pm dude i suddenly randomly sus ilario/leetic because ilario's rage at the mr wagon almost feels like TMI on MR?

He didn't show up until an hour ago so he missed the main development. I had to get his attention so he could defend Anne, as he was apparently unaware she had votes before that time

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:41 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:39 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:38 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:35 pm Vlte sloonei
Not the biggest fan of Sloonei's contributions and he has partner equity with MR but should we really vote an inactive? That is never a good idea D1
Woops, you have different ideas about playing mafia, now I gotta kill you. Sorry bud, those are the rules
Don't be a smart ass, answer my questions

Why would you think a vote on an inactive is optimal for today?
I think they're a bit above rand mafia, partly because I have some confident town reads, partly because I thibk a busy town sloon at least tries to put one or two reads out

So I wanna kill them

I think he has some scummy interactions with MR, what do you think of that slot?

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