Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Dyslexicon]

Wouldn’t be surprised if dizzy is a wolf again

And yeah spf I confirm everything my hydra said

Would you be surprised if I'm town?

Not really

My initial thought when I saw you come in with that line trying to align to me and marmot was : “surely dizzy wouldn’t employ the exact same strategy as mafia twice” and that thought alone gave me pause to the idea of you being scum. But yeah I think that’s a bad reason to hold myself back from a sr, I do think there are parallels to your previous game in how you entered and how you’ve been playing the game out

There are like no parallells tbh. Which doesn't mean I can't be any alignment here. But in the game you're referring to, I actually read the game and came up with reads and reasons which I think I would've had if I was town in the same situation. This game, I've read next to nothing, I'm spouting out whatever on impression, trying to triangulate takes based on he said she said they said and random posts I come across. I gather that you/Leetic are probably town. It looked to me like Marmot was invested and doing analysis things and not just falling back on wifom and too cool for school, which is more town for Marmot. It seems there's some contention to a Marmot town read, so my impression may be wrong. So I don't really have a real read there yet until I check for myself. I don't see the parallell at all, but it's not for me to see.

[Dyslexicon]

my wagon are all holding in farts on the bus

How dare you accurately describe me on my way to work every day

[ilario]

Fwiw, The scummiest thing about nutella is that she has a tr on me at all. If it weren’t for that fact I would feel confident about slotting her as town for the next few days. I don’t think she’s ever tr’d me in a game and normally scumreads me for NAI stuff such as getting tilted which is probably >rand town for me actually. I’d expect her read to be similar to marmots on me who just has a bad scumread On me for awful reasons, and I don’t think nutella ever really explained her tr on me when I asked at first either. I do think that’s weird for her because I don’t think I’ve remotely towntold in a way that most people would recognize other than a small few who know me. That being said, if she’s a wolf I do think she’s townsiding pretty hard with some of the stances she’s taken and I feel like if she were a wolf she would be more likely to try and powerwolf rather than townside so yeah maybe Occam’s razor is that She’s town and I’m just paranoid on her for no reason.

[ilario]

Wouldn’t be surprised if dizzy is a wolf again

And yeah spf I confirm everything my hydra said

Would you be surprised if I'm town?

Not really

My initial thought when I saw you come in with that line trying to align to me and marmot was : “surely dizzy wouldn’t employ the exact same strategy as mafia twice” and that thought alone gave me pause to the idea of you being scum. But yeah I think that’s a bad reason to hold myself back from a sr, I do think there are parallels to your previous game in how you entered and how you’ve been playing the game out

There are like no parallells tbh. Which doesn't mean I can't be any alignment here. But in the game you're referring to, I actually read the game and came up with reads and reasons which I think I would've had if I was town in the same situation. This game, I've read next to nothing, I'm spouting out whatever on impression, trying to triangulate takes based on he said she said they said and random posts I come across. I gather that you/Leetic are probably town. It looked to me like Marmot was invested and doing analysis things and not just falling back on wifom and too cool for school, which is more town for Marmot. It seems there's some contention to a Marmot town read, so my impression may be wrong. So I don't really have a real read there yet until I check for myself. I don't see the parallell at all, but it's not for me to see.

The parallel was that you came in and almost all your takes feel very consensus to me and easy reads to make. Your initial townreads were on the slots that were the most easiest slots to tr, iirc you had nutella as a tr but you said you haven’t read the game and Nutella wasn’t online when you were posting so I have no idea how you can tr a slot you supposedly haven’t read.,Your interactions with people, whilst fun and enjoyable to read doesn’t strike me as someone whose trying to solve anyone’s alignment when speaking to someone, rather just trying to vibe and survive.

[ilario]

Your votes also feel like a parallel of last game where you kinda just vote the name that everyone is saying the most and don’t really go out of your way to find why that slot is being voted or to interact with that slot in any way to find out if that slot should be being voted to begin with.

[Dyslexicon]

The parallel was that you came in and almost all your takes feel very consensus to me and easy reads to make. Your initial townreads were on the slots that were the most easiest slots to tr, iirc you had nutella as a tr but you said you haven’t read the game and Nutella wasn’t online when you were posting so I have no idea how you can tr a slot you supposedly haven’t read.,Your interactions with people, whilst fun and enjoyable to read doesn’t strike me as someone whose trying to solve anyone’s alignment when speaking to someone, rather just trying to vibe and survive.

First of all, I don't really know what the consensus reads are, since I haven't read much. Second, I town read Nutella for voting Mac, cause I don't think mafia Nutella votes Mac unless Mac is also mafia. They have some kind of special dynamic, if memory serves me right. Third, you're right that most of my interactions aren't trying to solve anyone. I'm pretty obviously not solving hard now, cause I don't feel like it. If I felt like it, I would read the game lol. Your read is very bad.

[nutella]

lol i'm liking dizzy more

illario i'm allowed to townread you smh youre towny

[Dyslexicon]

Your votes also feel like a parallel of last game where you kinda just vote the name that everyone is saying the most and don’t really go out of your way to find why that slot is being voted or to interact with that slot in any way to find out if that slot should be being voted to begin with.

I totally interacted with the slots I voted last game, pretending like I was solving them. I even wrote the cases for why some of them should be voted. Right now I'm just voting top wagons I'm ok voting because wagons are good and cool on D1. Your read is still bad.

[ilario]

Okay dizzy is probably town but I cbf explaining why I changed my mind.

I don’t have enough posts left to figure out who actually is mafia so I’m just gonna vote out in the poool of drwilgy/naa/marmot. From the three I think drwilgy is the only one I actually sr, the other two are purely for strategical reasons even if I do think they’re both pretty likely to be town.

@nutella u still haven’t explained what about me is towny

/vote drwilgy

[iaafr]

dude is nutella trying to hardpocket me im starting to get paranoid

[iaafr]

nutella have you had any spicy paranoid tunnels youve been keeping in

[ilario]

Your votes also feel like a parallel of last game where you kinda just vote the name that everyone is saying the most and don’t really go out of your way to find why that slot is being voted or to interact with that slot in any way to find out if that slot should be being voted to begin with.

I totally interacted with the slots I voted last game, pretending like I was solving them. I even wrote the cases for why some of them should be voted. Right now I'm just voting top wagons I'm ok voting because wagons are good and cool on D1. Your read is still bad.

Fwiw I don’t think that’s true at all, I don’t remember a single case from you that game, but that could just be me misremembering since u snowed me. The point I specifically remember is when naa and marmot were trying to push me towards end of the game you pretty much popped up and more or less were like “sure lols why not” and then just voted me and went back to being afk.

[falcon45ca]

I'm not caught up. At all.



Who's got reads for me to sheep, or would it be better if J just swung wildly in the dark?

[iaafr]

nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe

speaking of paranoia fuel

this post man

this post

[nutella]

i feel good about
illario/leetic
iaafr
anne
lime

i feel meh about
jay
nook
cass
spf because i feel like it

What have I done for you to feel good about?

well i admit i am biased by leetic's claim and am mostly taking that at face value for now, but i also like your solveyness and approach to reading the people you know best

[Dyslexicon]

Fwiw I don’t think that’s true at all, I don’t remember a single case from you that game, but that could just be me misremembering since u snowed me. The point I specifically remember is when naa and marmot were trying to push me towards end of the game you pretty much popped up and more or less were like “sure lols why not” and then just voted me and went back to being afk.

Yeah, it's probably not relevant to get too deep into this discussions. What things looks like and what the intent is, are often two different things entirely. It's all wildly different to me though.

[nutella]

just take the damn townread bru

[nutella]

nutella have you had any spicy paranoid tunnels youve been keeping in

not really atm

[Lime Coke]

I'm going to be out of the house for a few hours, might be back at around 10 PM eastern at the latest.

Town:
Cassandraaaaaaa
Anne
Illario/Leetic
SPF
IAAFR
Nanook

This is MOSTLY where I'm at currently.

This is my town list so far, if anyone has any questions on why they're there I'll probably pop on like 1 or 2 times between now and when I'm back home, so I'll be able to answer them the best that I can.

Yeah I'll bite - why am I on the list?

(I assume you just missed me by accident.)

You're in the "OMG! So Towny! How Does He Do It?" category next to me.

[iaafr]

yeah me neither haha

[Dyslexicon]

In a game like this, it's probably going to be hard to have good mafia reads tbh. The solution is to chop Mac, naturally.

[ilario]

Fwiw I don’t think that’s true at all, I don’t remember a single case from you that game, but that could just be me misremembering since u snowed me. The point I specifically remember is when naa and marmot were trying to push me towards end of the game you pretty much popped up and more or less were like “sure lols why not” and then just voted me and went back to being afk.

Yeah, it's probably not relevant to get too deep into this discussions. What things looks like and what the intent is, are often two different things entirely. It's all wildly different to me though.

Yes and whilst that’s very true, I can’t know what you’re thinking unless you say it. You might have had brilliant reasons for all your trs this game and for your vote on Mac (and if you’re town I have no doubt that’s the case as you’re a brilliant player) , but I can’t know that unless you verbalize it. You have to see it from my point of view because it all looks the same to me unless you verbalize your thoughts and make it obvious what your intent is. It’s wildly different to you because you have tmi on your role card and what you’re thinking but I can’t figure any of that out unless you help me.

[cassandra]

alexa, can you talk w/me a little bit about your read on anne?

yeah sure. i initially didn't understand why she was getting townread (especially by illario but also nutella which is why i outed the kind of non-sensical 3/3 in irritation) because she was playing exactly in her scum meta, like her demanding JJJ to townread her pinged me so hard as her powerwolf meta. but since then i've felt like her posting has improved, like i at least feel like i've agreed with her reads and she's not going the obvious wolfy aggressive stuff she can do as wolf - which, anne is very smart and capable of changing her meta to specifically fool me, but i am leaning on her lacking the wolfy agenda posts. i'm not really sure how to feel about her attitude toward the game, it's slightly offputting considering we don't really know if the game is going "badly" but i think i have a slight town lean there.

@cassandra why are you voting me exactly?

i read your catch-up from my phone when i woke up and your posting just did nothing for me, i cbf to go back without ISOs available but it didn't really feel like you have a fuck about solving the game and were just posting nonsense that made me feel like you were struggling to generate actual content and just wanted to be lazy.

[iaafr]

sorry for speaking for dizzy, because i know this bothers some people, but he probably needs to save posts, and i don't, so

i don't think dizzy's contending that you should be townreading him for his body of work, only that your scumread is bad and there were in fact meaningful differences in his posting in that scumgame

[Dyslexicon]

Fwiw I don’t think that’s true at all, I don’t remember a single case from you that game, but that could just be me misremembering since u snowed me. The point I specifically remember is when naa and marmot were trying to push me towards end of the game you pretty much popped up and more or less were like “sure lols why not” and then just voted me and went back to being afk.

Yeah, it's probably not relevant to get too deep into this discussions. What things looks like and what the intent is, are often two different things entirely. It's all wildly different to me though.

Yes and whilst that’s very true, I can’t know what you’re thinking unless you say it. You might have had brilliant reasons for all your trs this game and for your vote on Mac (and if you’re town I have no doubt that’s the case as you’re a brilliant player) , but I can’t know that unless you verbalize it. You have to see it from my point of view because it all looks the same to me unless you verbalize your thoughts and make it obvious what your intent is. It’s wildly different to you because you have tmi on your role card and what you’re thinking but I can’t figure any of that out unless you help me.

Sure. I don't have brilliant reasons at all. It's all impression and intuition at this point. If I had brilliant reasons, or at least nice sounding ones, I would probably be mafia lol. I do think my reason for town reading Nutella is pretty cool though. Don't know if it works, but I think she's kind of scared of Mac if she's mafia, so I don't think she goes out of her way to mess with him. So I made that read without having read a single Nutella post, so if it works, that's pretty cool.

[Dyslexicon]

sorry for speaking for dizzy, because i know this bothers some people, but he probably needs to save posts, and i don't, so

i don't think dizzy's contending that you should be townreading him for his body of work, only that your scumread is bad and there were in fact meaningful differences in his posting in that scumgame

Yeah I need to save posts, so that I can let people know I'm still gay later.

[DrWilgy]

Wasin the working; Happening the here?

Ha, yeeting Mac; What of Mac is the case?

[iaafr]

Wasin the working; Happening the here?

Ha, yeeting Mac; What of Mac is the case?

the main of it is that he's been farting incessantly to the point where he's losing his right to a place in civilized society

[Dyslexicon]

Tbh, I don't really think Ilario is towny in this convo, but I also don't have much experience with them. And claim/thread/I don't even know what dictates that they're probably town. So me thinking meh to his posts is just me thinking meh. So meh. I know this post is meaningless.

[iaafr]

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/search.ph ... 7&sr=posts

this is mac's iso link

you'll see what i mean if you skim through it wilgy

[DrWilgy]

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/search.ph ... 7&sr=posts

this is mac's iso link

you'll see what i mean if you skim through it wilgy

Thanks

[cassandra]

Tbh, I don't really think Ilario is towny in this convo, but I also don't have much experience with them. And claim/thread/I don't even know what dictates that they're probably town. So me thinking meh to his posts is just me thinking meh. So meh. I know this post is meaningless.

after you fool illario as wolf he's much more likely to tinfoil you hard the next game, i think his approach to his read on you is villagery. for him

V I B E S

Town
ilario/leetic
iaafr
Lime Coke
SPF
nutella

Townlean
Marmot
anne
Dyslexicon
MR
NOOK

IDK Yet
DrWilgy
falcon45ca
JJJ
Sloonei

Scummy
NAA
Mac

[DrWilgy]

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/search.ph ... 7&sr=posts

this is mac's iso link

you'll see what i mean if you skim through it wilgy

Thanks

Hmmm...

Notting of aligning; Goof but not wolf.

Ising of Mac the makin of easy yeet; Notting of the knowing yet.

[Dyslexicon]

Tbh, I don't really think Ilario is towny in this convo, but I also don't have much experience with them. And claim/thread/I don't even know what dictates that they're probably town. So me thinking meh to his posts is just me thinking meh. So meh. I know this post is meaningless.

after you fool illario as wolf he's much more likely to tinfoil you hard the next game, i think his approach to his read on you is villagery. for him

You're probably right. It isn't scummy for him either, so it was a pointless observation, really.

[Dyslexicon]

Maybe this is the game Jimmay and Sloonmeister finally landed mafia together. We can only hope.

[iaafr]

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/search.ph ... 953&t=2237

well here's the axehole iso (other top wagon)

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/search.ph ... 499&t=2237

here's the dyslexicon iso (apparently in contention, i townread him)

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/search.ph ... 262&t=2237

and here's the nutella iso (including for no reason whatsoever)

[Dyslexicon]

Goof Mac is often mafia Mac though. When Mac don't know what to do, Mac be goofin. Mac can totally not goof and be town when town.

[Marmot]

i constitute "having a good read on me" as reading me correctly as scum one time then not mis-pushing me as town because, as anne said, most people really can't read me tbh. i think you did in spec chat too when i vanity searched one game

Oh ok, I'll take it. The scum read was a shaky D1 read, but I'll definitely take it.
I can't really think of anyone currently playing who reads me with any degree of accuracy either tbh =p

I only recall one game that I've played with you where I incorrectly read you, and that was Fleabag I think. I recall two other games earlier this year, where I correctly read you as scum off the bat, but you weaseled out of any significant danger.

Not to say that I can read you well, but I have historically read you correctly.

Now that I've been established as town, and nobody disagree, I can definitely leave this D1 up to you all. Gl gl!

So much for that "Dizzy isn't focused on how other people are perceiving him" take

The thing that worries me about Dizzy was the first thing she did today was immediate townread on Illario/Leetic, because the first thing she did in Fleabag was immediate pocketing on Illario and acting as joyful as possible while doing it. Kind of a similar vibe I had going on when backreading.

I thought that was an intentional reference to that game (he added my name to that group iirc). I didn't think there was anything AI there.

cassandra stands for idk why people find fart humor funny

also #966, LC's take on Dizzy is probably towny for him

I hadn't considered it, but yeah, I generally agree that when players reference a specific action from another game as a pattern to what's happening in the current game is a good sign.

i feel like nutella is wolfier than she usually is as town but townier than she usually is as a wolf

and the last time that happened, she was town. shrug

this is an astonishing mindmeld

Mac gets serious for a moment, but only a moment.

That also reminds me from something I've seen in his catch up posts.

I think there were notes made of SPF being hedge-y in her reads earlier. She tends to do that as town pretty often and people tend to scumread her for it, including a point in one of her town games in MU where she posted her reads then immediately realized it the next post, so being hedge-y isn't a big deal for her.

K

Wouldn’t be surprised if dizzy is a wolf again

And yeah spf I confirm everything my hydra said

Would you be surprised if I'm town?

Not really

My initial thought when I saw you come in with that line trying to align to me and marmot was : “surely dizzy wouldn’t employ the exact same strategy as mafia twice” and that thought alone gave me pause to the idea of you being scum. But yeah I think that’s a bad reason to hold myself back from a sr, I do think there are parallels to your previous game in how you entered and how you’ve been playing the game out

There are like no parallells tbh. Which doesn't mean I can't be any alignment here. But in the game you're referring to, I actually read the game and came up with reads and reasons which I think I would've had if I was town in the same situation. This game, I've read next to nothing, I'm spouting out whatever on impression, trying to triangulate takes based on he said she said they said and random posts I come across. I gather that you/Leetic are probably town. It looked to me like Marmot was invested and doing analysis things and not just falling back on wifom and too cool for school, which is more town for Marmot. It seems there's some contention to a Marmot town read, so my impression may be wrong. So I don't really have a real read there yet until I check for myself. I don't see the parallell at all, but it's not for me to see.

I get this weird impression that you are trying to display a perception of not being caught up with what's going on, while knowing what's going on.

When I see you say this, it sounds like you know what's going on in the thread, or at least with what I'm saying, but when you say these things, you're excusing yourself from making reads because of not reading the thread.

Also, why do you gather that ilario/leetic are probably town?

[leetic]

Hi, I'll be here for a little. I do like how Cass's procession has been very similar to mine and my partner's in a way that doesn't feel like sheeping, so she is one of my strongest townreads at this point. I do find it scummy how DrWilgy's first action was to immediately TR a random villager, and I would definitely keep an eye on him. None of Dyslexicon's posts are really substantive and I would like them to post a general read of all of the players, right now they're a slight scumlean. I still haven't seen anything impressive from Mac or Axehole's ends. Master Radishes is meh for me, nothing in their ISO really sticks out. Inactive players are inactive.

[falcon45ca]

Wasin the working; Happening the here?

Ha, yeeting Mac; What of Mac is the case?

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine



Intuition

[Marmot]

Goof Mac is often mafia Mac though. When Mac don't know what to do, Mac be goofin. Mac can totally not goof and be town when town.

Easy take, but not a terrible take.

I hope this game is that easy, because it feels hard.

[anne]

Nice

[Marmot]

I would definitely rather chop Mac than NAA.

[anne]

does NAA have a different username elsewhere

[leetic]

ilario/leetic
cassandra
iaffr
Lime Coke
nutella
JaggedJimmyJay
staypositivefriend
Marmot
anne
Master Radishes
falcon46ca
Sloonei
Dyslexicon
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
MacDougall
DrWilgy
NotAnAxehole

Note: Using a cyan/red instead of green/red scale for town/mafia in order to be friendlier to anyone that may have colorblindness

[iaafr]

does NAA have a different username elsewhere

StarV is one alias

idk others

[MacDougall]

you guys lol

[MacDougall]

I would definitely rather chop Mac than NAA.

why not someone entirely different?

[MacDougall]

does NAA have a different username elsewhere

StarV is one alias

idk others

lissa

[MacDougall]

I am so grumpy I could fart