The Syndicate

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:30 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:24 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:21 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:15 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:53 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:32 am Jackofhearts2005 for you to buy me/Luna as w/w you'd almost have to view my D1 as a bus, right? Going back and re-reading, is that how it looks?

(And that's setting aside the "would I bus D1 as scum" because Pax principle but man bussing a teammate who hadn't gotten any suspicion prior to me is... bold)

Potentially.

Speedchuck was going to be lynched D1. You resisted that. Luna disrupted the D1 status quo and became top suspect with Speed and Rey in second/third and Jack in fourth (I guess. People should call their votes).

Your case on Luna was that her reaction to the Speedchuck wagon was w/t. Luna gets bussed. You look good. If the narrative takes, Speed looks good.

So yeah, that’s a really good spot for a wolf to bus. The alternative is to probably see Speed lynched and both you and Luna look bad as a result of it.

I don’t see any reason to think it wasn’t a bus.

*shrug* ok man, you do you.

Tinfoil x-treme though.

Tinfoil is when you have an unlikely scenario that makes you suspect a player you trust.

I don’t trust you to begin with after seeing how you handled Speedchuck all game.

What you did to lynch Luna is not half what I did to lynch Speed and I’m still in your poe so don’t give me that.

Speed was getting suspicion from other people before you did, iirc

Can we at least agree each other should be last in the POE?

Yeah but after the Luna lynch, some people were trying to say Speed was town so I think my push was still important.

No deal.

And I see your push on speed being a totally plausible bus attempt, since he was getting suspicion anyway and you could've gotten him lynched maaaybe a day before he would've been anyway to give yourself cred to skate through POE. A mafia team who lost a member d1 and who had a second member towards the top of a lot of lists d2 with the third also having caught a lot of heat would totally think about making that play.

I'm not entirely sure about that. Bussing twice in a row would be a very suboptimal strategy as scum, especially when there were people like you trying to say that it was unlikely that both Luna and chuck were scum. Even JJJ's bottom three of most likely to be scum in N1 was rey/Jack/sabie, showing that speedchuck's lynch was by no means guaranteed. Thus, I find Jack bussing unlikely.

If I had to remove one, I guess sabie for now, but I still have my eye on her.

My POE is rey, Audrey, and one of bob or sabie - I do like that sabie is putting in some effort, and Jack brings up a good point that it makes no sense for sabie to kill Sloonei - still, the interactions with Luna and chuck aren't the greatest.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:13 am @leetic

Your thoughts on Bob?

At first townread him due to D1 interactions, but looking back his D2 doesn't look good and he hasn't really done too much since.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:32 am @Jackofhearts2005 for you to buy me/Luna as w/w you'd almost have to view my D1 as a bus, right? Going back and re-reading, is that how it looks?

(And that's setting aside the "would I bus D1 as scum" because Pax principle but man bussing a teammate who hadn't gotten any suspicion prior to me is... bold)

Don't really like this defence very much, often when your scumpartner has no suspicion is the perfect time to throw shade as it works for distancing and is unlikely to start a wagon. I often find that the second and third people on the wagons are the most likely to be tow.

*sigh* No activity? If I have to put pressure on people to promote activity, so be it. [mention]reywaS[/mention] tell me why I should not vote you right now.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:44 pm Wait, no it's not.

Consensus rainbow was like Nova, Bob, Nutella, Leet/Jack, Audrey, Sabie, Rey. Shooting in the middle of that doesn't scream "targeted." 42% chance of a random shot from Audrey hitting above Jack/Leet in terms of suspicions.

Thing is, nova doesn't really post much at all and bob only posts occasionally. Being more active, nutella could be argued as posing a bigger threat to scum than the previous two, and she was unlikely to get mislynches either. This doesn't clear Audrey, and if needed a third nightkill could show more to the story, but I think it could easily be argued that nutella was the optimal shot here.

This kill target definitely makes more sense than the last one. Out of the three most vocal users (nutella, myself, and Jack) nutella was the one with by far the least suspicion. The targeted nature of this nightkill seems to suggest against Audrey having done this, although if necessary a third nightkill would provide better insight into long-term trends. Let's hope that doesn't happen though.

As I don't want there to be an insane wagon on one person, making them feel that it's pointless to defend themselves (this was the major mistake on D3), I'm likely going to be withholding my vote until near the end of this phase. Don't think this means I will not be vocal, and I will push users if necessary, as we're going to need a lot of activity if we're gonna win this - an inactive town always benefits scum. Most importantly, I want the two most suspicious users [mention]reywaS[/mention] and [mention]sabie12[/mention] to really step up their game right now and post their thoughts on living players, defenses to their accusations, who they think is the best lynch option, etc. If we want to win this without losing another town member, we're gonna all have to be cooperative.

Interactions between sabie12 and speedchuck

sabie's end

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:03 am Nova is definitely different this game than I've seen him recently. He usually slides by for awhile before posting anything. Maybe he has someone to talk to now and he does have teammates and he doesn't like that I suggested that so he wants to get rid of me early on.
Sloot is starting to get back into it. Usually he is the one stirring the pot getting conversations going.
The two people I don't think I've ever played with voted nutella. I didn't necessarily see anything overly suspicious on nutella as of yet.
I can see where the suspicion of speed and jack may come from but idk sometimes I can't really get good reads on people on day one. I know someone will say sabie elaborate on why you say this. And I'm like idk yet.
I also don't recall if I've played with jjj before I think I just played in his games. I've seen people play in this game style of let's get people talking and it's usually civs just trying to get a discussion going.

First real interaction, posts something very noncommittal about speedchuck. Both scum (Luna) and town (Eloh) have done this, though, so I'm not sure how to read this.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:43 pm Despite being ill I will continue to play. well out of the available options of people who have been voted for I'm willing to go with either speed or jack.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:04 pm Going with speed for now. He seemed more sketchy to me. For some reason I thought today was end of poll but yes tomorrow. Gonna go sleep forever and try to get better.

Goes with speed without really explaining why, definitely fits in with her other behavior. At least choosing speed over Jack earns some town points (as Jack and sabie can't both be scum).

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:45 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:35 pm @AudreyTheTattletail
@Elohcin
@novaselinenever
@nutella
@sabie12

Where are your heads at? Who are you considering voting for?

I dont feel super strong one way or the other. I missed a bit that was going ok while I was out of commission but I am probably voting for speed again, but I can see some fair points have been made on Rey. I think the case on speed made sense to me for reasons I stated before. I think its possible if he is bad that he may have voted Luna out of trying not to look bad or self preservation. Rey and speed could maybe be teammates? I didnt put a vote yet as I was kind of waiting to see if anything else came up but I think I'd be okay with either rey or speed as it stands currently.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:52 pm At this point I'm seeing no reason not to vote speed so I'm going to. I'll keep an eye out if something else comes up.

Puts a vote on speed without really giving her own reasons, and more seems to be sheeping others. Here though, I can't tell if this is a part of her regular playstyle or not, while with speed I could easily tell there was something wrong when he was doing that because of his accusations of other users "buddying" each other.

speed's end

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:29 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:25 am Leaving JJJ off my list because that's just boring.

Townreads: Sloonei, Elohcin

Scumreads: Nova, JoH

I’d like to hear more about all of those.

Been townreading Sloonei since "Whacke". He's been great under some amount of pressure early on. That townread solidified when he defended Sabie, referencing the delicious MYLO from last game. I KNOW that's genuine. I was there. He hasn't been sucking up to the powers that be, hasn't been "trying too hard" (in nutella's words) to seem consistent or give thoughts on everyone. He just steps in where he sees a need and keeps his D0/D1 chill. I like it.

Elohcin hasn't done too much. She came in, made a catch-up post, and then left. But most of it reeked of sincerity, to me. It's partly a vibe I'm getting, but I'll try to explain it. When she was making the catch up post, she commented and gave her take on 4-5 things. Some of it had been said before, some of it she took a small step further. It didn't seem like she was trying to fake any thoughts, nor like she was straining for original content.

I guess both of these just seem too chill under the 'Jay Spray' for me to think them scum.

Apparently, someone defending sabie is enough of a reason to townread them. Interestingly, both of his town reads were the real deal.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:46 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:45 pm NUTELLA
SABIE12

GOOD
BAD

Calls sabie bad. (Luna called sabie good).

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:02 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:53 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:50 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:46 pm NOVASELINENENVER
COLONIALBOB
AUDREYTHETATTLETAIL

BAD
GOOD
PROBABLY KINDA NICE IDK BAD

Do you think I started the game bussing my teammate within 2 posts, and we've been faking ever since?

I don't really use GTH to theorize scumteams. I look at everyone individually

Talk to me about Sabie then.

90% of Sabie's posts are her complaining about silly accusations, making her own, then walking them back. Specifically regarding Nova and JJJ.
The other one is "where sloonei at he mus be busy"

I'm used to her first post in the game being lost, but still full of basic reads and stuff. She's posted more D1 than I'm used to, but somehow less.

I got that just now after looking back. It's not that strong, but hey, GTH.

Posts a case against sabie, but says it's "not that strong" making it ultimately a noncommittal post, and note that speedchuck didn't actually vote for sabie (and he's been proven to bus a teammate).

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:17 am speedchuck
nutella
colonialbob
novaselinenever
reywaS
AudreyTheTattleTail

Elohcin
Jackofhearts2005
leetic
Sloonei
sabie12

sabie is in the very bottom. This was N1 by the way, so it was before it was obvious speedchuck would die. This is a point I'd say in sabie's favor, but since he doesn't really post anything about sabie during D2, it still doesn't look good.

Overall, I can see them being teammates, though there are a couple things that make me think twice.

The last thing Sloonei did before he was killed was analyze interactions between speedchuck and other users. If scum wanted to silence him, that was likely the reason why, so I'll start looking at interactions between suspicious players and speedchuck. I already covered most of rey's stuff in my second ISO of him, so let's start with something easier by looking at

Interactions between AudreyTheTattleTail and speedchuck

Audrey never mentioned speed at all, so all of this is coming from speed's direction.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:46 pm NOVASELINENENVER
COLONIALBOB
AUDREYTHETATTLETAIL

BAD
GOOD
PROBABLY KINDA NICE IDK BAD

Posts a pretty indecisive GTH read on Audrey (note that Luna said Audrey was bad). Nothing major here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:17 am speedchuck
nutella
colonialbob
novaselinenever
reywaS
AudreyTheTattleTail

Elohcin
Jackofhearts2005
leetic
Sloonei
sabie12

Audrey is decisively in the middle, but notably not in the bottom list.

And that's all his interaction. Yeah, there's nothing very helpful. Looking at sabie next.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:17 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:02 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:03 pm POE reywas Jack sabie

Convince me why I'm wrong (and I will not listen to cases made about yourself)

This does seem a good POE (though I might think Audrey over Jack), but I don't want this game to just be constantly lynching names off a list, as that could be an easy scum victory if scum isn't on the list. I'd want the next day phase to be much more involved.

Agreed.

So convince me why Audrey over jack. (Pointing to your previous ISO posts is acceptable, I admit I haven't fully read them but I recognize that you've done a lot of work and I don't want to ignore it)

My problem with Audrey is that a lot of the reasons to convince us she's town rely on certain assumptions being made. Here's a post made by Lunalee that makes it seem unlikely that she is scum:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:22 pm

AudreyTheTattletail wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:12 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:01 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:53 pm I feel the weakest about my decisions on Audrey and Luna. They are both basically 50/50 to me.

Audrey's only on-topic post in this game is this:

AudreyTheTattletail wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:48 pm i promise you nutella is a were wolf otherwise why would she use lots of bad words in a small sentense if she's not a were wolf well than who else could be seriously.

I don't like the way it looks for someone who has barely been around.

im only 8 seriously stop it

Really? That's cool! Your posts make more sense to me now. Don't worry about being suspected though, just roll with it. mafia is all about making cases on who you think is bad and who's good. I suspect a lot of people when I play, and how they react can help lead me to a more accurate opinion.

Lunalee shows unfamiliarity with Audrey's age, suggesting that Audrey wasn't in the scumchat. However, given her inactivity, it can be reasoned that she might not have even posted her age in the scumchat even if she was scum, and Luna could still be unfamiliar (and thus push her for distancing purposes). The question becomes whether an 8 year old can fake a reaction like that or if she was confused by one of her partners calling her out, and I wouldn't know the answer to that as I have no prior experience playing mafia with anyone under the age of 16.

Secondly, there was the fact that she wasn't online during N2, which suggests that she couldn't have been the killer. Still, we don't know what would happen if scum fails to submit a kill (if anyone can provide prior examples of this happening on this site, it'd be nice) and considering the target, the kill being randomized seems a possibility. The only two reasons I can see for the kill on Sloonei are to frame rey (but that would be sacrificing one easy mislynch to secure another, and nobody tried to lynch rey on D3) or to silence a town leader (but Sloonei only acted like this is the very last part of the phase, meaning unless scum changed their target at the last minute that's not the reason). So, I'm not entirely convinced this is proof anymore.

Overall, nothing to suggest scummyness, but not enough evidence in her favor to confidently say she's town. With the other two scum having flipped, we can no longer ignore the possibility of Audrey being scum, but the problem with Audrey is that she's nearly impossible to read due to her age.

Unrelated, but I think it would be nice if you looked at my two ISO posts on rey, as it seems likely given the thread's direction that he'll be the target for tomorrow and I want everyone to keep all the points about him in mind and post their own thoughts on him.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:03 pm POE reywas Jack sabie

Convince me why I'm wrong (and I will not listen to cases made about yourself)

This does seem a good POE (though I might think Audrey over Jack), but I don't want this game to just be constantly lynching names off a list, as that could be an easy scum victory if scum isn't on the list. I'd want the next day phase to be much more involved.

11 hours without a post? That has to be a new record. Come on guys!

Going to have a second look at reywaS, but mostly looking at things that have changed since my last ISO (mostly about speedchuck).

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:40 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:30 am

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:28 am my mafia/civ or civ/mafia reads in a particular order:

JackofHearts2005
Sloonei
nutella
JaggedJimmyJay

I don't actually know what this means

sure you do. Those are my townx2scumx2 reads. Everyone else did it, so i felt peer pressured to also do it. Get it?

First interaction after that infamous joke post, where chuck asks rey to clarify his reads. This is an easy thing for scum to jump on a townie for, still, could easily be a faked interaction.

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:46 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:37 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:18 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:07 pm reywaS, please tell me how you feel about Jack.

He's on my would lynch list....which now only includes him. His posts give me lots of stank eye

linkitits (giggity) why are you so interested in how i'm reading you then, sloondog?

Why do you read nutella as a civilian?

she's about the only person in this game i have experience playing mafia with. I'm not suspicious of her and felt comfortable putting her as a town read. I took the list 2 and 2 thing to be more like who would you feel most and least comfortable voting for in the opening lynch rather than being confident about whether or not said people are civ or mafia.

You have plently experience with me

do I? have you always used speedchuck as your handle? I dont recall the name. I have smoked a lot of pot in my time so forgive me i killed the brain cell that speed chuck lived on.

Here's a rather weird post, where rey shows (fake?) unfamiliarity with speedchuck. Not sure how I like this interaction, I mean typically this stuff is settled in scumchats, but this thing looks unnatural to me. Since I'm not really familiar with the history between these two users, maybe someone else can judge.

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:43 pm JACKOFHEARTS2005
SPEEDCHUCK

bad
good

Lists speed as good, but I'm sure you know that already, just leaving this here for reference.

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:52 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:47 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:46 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:37 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:18 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:15 pm

He's on my would lynch list....which now only includes him. His posts give me lots of stank eye

linkitits (giggity) why are you so interested in how i'm reading you then, sloondog?

Why do you read nutella as a civilian?

she's about the only person in this game i have experience playing mafia with. I'm not suspicious of her and felt comfortable putting her as a town read. I took the list 2 and 2 thing to be more like who would you feel most and least comfortable voting for in the opening lynch rather than being confident about whether or not said people are civ or mafia.

You have plently experience with me

do I? have you always used speedchuck as your handle? I dont recall the name. I have smoked a lot of pot in my time so forgive me i killed the brain cell that speed chuck lived on.

We played Socky earlier this month. That was you right?

No, we don't have a long history.

lol

I should have said significant experience.

More of this interaction. I don't know, does this read as fake to you?

reywaS wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:22 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:21 pmI don't have the energy to be the townchuck you want me to be.

I don't care about the townchuck I want you to be. I can't imagine you've been the townchuck you want you to be.

I can't help your lack of imagination.

Yeah this is crap. Get lynched.

I've given you 1,000 avenues to change my mind, and instead I get this junk.

well to be fair to speedchuck, it's possible that he has conceded as you say..but i dont think that necessarily means that he's mafia. If he's civ, he may think that it's pointless to fight back at this point with you being the leader of the lynch wagon. I dunno. You might be right and he's bad, but I don't think giving up means you are correct in your vote.

Ive only played 3 games in the past 2or 3 years so i could just be out of practice, but I have seen many a day one lynch go like this one seems to be going..and it's been rare in my experience that the lynch wagon actually caught a baddie.


Question for the room (minus JJJ of course) What will you think of JJJ if chuck flips civ?

A defender of speedchuck D1, but as Elohcin has shown, speedchuck was to some extent trying to throw us off the scent with his defenders. The last question is also weird, as if he's scum he should know that there's zero chance of chuck flipping civ.

reywaS wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:42 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:38 pm We have a game filled with people providing a better-than-their-norm effort, so anyone who is less motivated than usual stands out like a sore thumb.

ehh....i think that's faulty reasoning. since when does motivation level decide alignment? I have been an unmotivated civ, baddie, and indy in the past.

More posting about speed. Seems a bit like the "slightly defending them to try to pull the thread in your direction, but not going so far as to make a show of yourself" which is the way I defended scumbuddies in games like Corrupt Mafia.

reywaS wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:46 pm JJJ: "speedchuck is good at Mafia and should be held to a high standard"

speedchuck: "I quit"

WTF?

this is what is confusing me tbh. You say he's good and should be held to a high standard....so his giving up indicates he's bad? Seems like to me if he was so good, he'd try to talk his way out of it, no? giving up might have a different reason behind it is all I mean.

Still more defending speedchuck. To be fair, this does seem a bit dedicated for a defense of a scumpartner that seemed very likely to be lynched.

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:55 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:07 am Nova looks great with luna’s flip.

I also give leetic a couple of townie points purely on the surface of his posts. He’s (relatively) new in town, but is puttinf forth a strong effort and making sure his voice is heard. That’s not going to lock him in as a town read, but it’s something I consider.

I feel like reywas is my strongest suspect coming out of this lynch. I’ll take a second look to see if I can identify why that is.

sling that poo now. maybe it'll stick later?

First response to his N1/D2 suspicion.

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:22 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:14 pm I have a gif for all this bogus suspicion of me....


wait for it

Whose suspicion of you is bogus?

Sloonei and maybe leetic....possibly nutella. Sloonei's suspicion of me smells the worst.

His next response is to call his suspicion bogus. He backtracked on nutella's, but I happen to know that both of the other users he mentioned are town, so...

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:25 pm @reywaS, I have no idea what you think of speedchuck apart from one GTH read (good). Please help me out there.

sweet jesus you post a lot, brosephus. You remind me a lot of a certain bronzed kiwi.

I have no reason to suspect speedchuck really....but I have limited experience with almost everyone in this game after spending a few years away from the game. So, my reads of people are not based on history like the rest of you are able to. The only thing that weirds me out about Speedchuckle is how buddy buddy he's been with me...and looking back he's been at it since the start of the game. I'm not sure what to make of that. It could be that he actually has a strong town read of me...or it could mean he's a bad fellar and is latching on to me because he's seen me get lynched in my first two games back from hiatus for shit reasons and wants that sweet sweet civ cred when it happens again in this game. I dunno.

hot damn i am one self centered bastard. smh

Here's where the truly questionable posts begin, and this is the one that makes me most strongly question my townread on him. So, he finally posts something that can be seen as against speedchuck, but he only posts it now, avoids bringing it up during D1, still is really vague about his thoughts about speedchuck, and seemingly tries to justify why they seem to have partner interactions. He tries to refute the claim that he is "self centered", but it's weird that the only user he really posts his thoughts about that doesn't target him is speedchuck, a confirmed scum.

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:15 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:55 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:25 pm reywaS, I have no idea what you think of speedchuck apart from one GTH read (good). Please help me out there.

sweet jesus you post a lot, brosephus. You remind me a lot of a certain bronzed kiwi.

I have no reason to suspect speedchuck really....but I have limited experience with almost everyone in this game after spending a few years away from the game. So, my reads of people are not based on history like the rest of you are able to. The only thing that weirds me out about Speedchuckle is how buddy buddy he's been with me...and looking back he's been at it since the start of the game. I'm not sure what to make of that. It could be that he actually has a strong town read of me...or it could mean he's a bad fellar and is latching on to me because he's seen me get lynched in my first two games back from hiatus for shit reasons and wants that sweet sweet civ cred when it happens again in this game. I dunno.

hot damn i am one self centered bastard. smh

Can it be a mix of the two?

well sure if you go strictly as i wrote it...i meant to imply that the first was that you were a townie yourself with a town read of me. Thanks smart ass. lol

Another weird interaction with chuck, if anyone wants to comment.

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:12 pm colonialbob
novaselinenever
nutella

leetic
AudreyTheTattleTail
sabie12
speedchuck


Elohcin
JackofHearts2005
Sloonei

hope this helps

Posted his reads. Notice how two of his scumreads are confirmed town, and how speedchuck is just barely off the scumlist. Wrong predictions aren't necessarily indicative of scum, but when combined with the other stuff he posted it looks weird. Also, at this point we start where my original ISO left off, so let's go!

reywaS wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:19 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:08 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:07 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:07 pm

Bringing this forward for reference.

Nova
Me
reywas
Audrey

Who's the wolf?

Maybe Rey. Possibly Audrey. Distancing from an 8 year old who isn’t going to get lynched is cheap.

Do you think Rey/Speed is possible? It’s not as cool as Sloonei/Speed.

Audrey doesn’t have enough posts to really have antialignments.

i risk being labeled at best an asshole or at worst a scummy POS by saying this, but....what is the plan for Audrey? Is she getting a pass till endgame because she's a child? Are we just ignoring her for now or what? This is meant to take up any time or derail the thread...just a simple question because Ive been away for many moons and im legit curious how kids are treated around here. thanks. ~~~Joe joe the SuperThor

Throwing shade on an inactive, which is something both Luna and speed did, but this post is admittedly less scummy than Luna and speed's/

reywaS wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:22 pm sorry speedster..i'd rather vote for sloonei but i am busy as a woodchuck and i like a little more cushion in my split votes in which i am a part.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Yeah, this totally doesn't feel like bussing at all (note when I use the word totally, I am likely being sarcastic). Note that this vote didn't even come through, although it's at least consistent with earlier posts of his saying he had difficulty voting. But this was after I joined the wagon, and nobody was willing to defend speed at that point - plus, note how he doesn't seem to mention his earlier resistance to the speed wagon. Likely backtracking.

Most of the rest of his posts were jokey and shade at Sloonei, 'til this:

reywaS wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:13 pm Sloonei, I gotta give you credit where it's due. You are fighting hard to pull it out for your team.

I know you realize that the crap you are trying to sell is completely ridiculous, but you gotta work with what you have. I get it.

You are suggesting that speedchuck, lunalee and I tried to pull off the most complicated mafia gambit of all time. It's absurd to actually believe what you are peddling right now.

early game mafia chat according to Sloonei:

Me: Hey guys I have an amazing plan.

JoeJoe proceeds to lay out the plan which includes naming both of his team mates in an early game joke post as mafia and then later giving them town reads on non jokey reads. Then JoeJoe thinks its a good idea to then defend them both...to defend speedchuck even after Lunalee got linched and flipped bad...even after its pretty much a done deal that speed is going down.

Speed: Sounds great!

Lunalee: Yeah, you are so damn smart, rey!!


SMH

It's a bold plan...and a stupid plan. It would have been so much easier to just not do that dumb ass plan and fly under the radar, would it not?

You seem like a smart lad, Sloonei, and I know you see how absurd that gambit is. You being willfully ignorant speaks volumes to be honest.

Sloonei bad, y'all.

His defense, involving his earlier joke reads. I've talked quite enough about that post, I'll leave you to figure out this one.'

My thoughts? Like before, there are towny moments here and there, and I can still believe that rey is a townie who just always happens to be on the wrong side of everything. But as our list of candidates narrows, at some point we have to wonder. Oh well, I'm tired now and should probably go to bed, and as always if anyone else has thoughts on all this feel free to post them.

A randomnized kill would make sense given the target, but if [mention]Epignosis[/mention] wants to clarify what would happen if the mafia didn't submit a kill target it'd be nice.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:10 pm leetic is bad and rey correctly called out the whole mafia team as a joke on day 1

As funny as it would be if someone somehow actually called out the entire team in a joke post, I regret to inform you that he only got two right.

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:37 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:32 pm An ISO of Day 3 to determine what went wrong:

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:35 pm That's certainly an odd choice for a nightkill, but at least that takes someone major off my suspects list. [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine because everyone else has given me more reason to believe they're town than her.

My P4:

sabie
Jack
reywaS
Audrey

The start of the day saw me have my sights on sabie, for reasons explained in N2.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:00 pm Well that's an odd kill choice. I agree with leetic that it seems like a frame job on rey and is likely [VOTE: sabie] aubergine.

nutella agrees.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:44 pm Sloonei was pushing town forward. This doesn't feel like sabie, it feels like somebody more sophisticated (hopefully no insult, because it really wasn't intended!) Frame-up on reywas is possible but also obvious enough that basing our decision on is is gross and WIFOM-y. I think this was just trying to silence a potential town leader.

But bob doesn't. Interestingly, seems to foreshadow later events...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:21 pm Yeah, that kill is pretty mindboggling. Sloonei's last couple posts looked decent but everything else was pretty bad. We have consensus townreads in Bob and Nova.

I tend to agree the Sloonei kill was about Rey. Either it's because Rey is scum and he wanted to get rid of his biggest detractor or it was to setup Rey. If it's the later, it means the wolf gave up a potential mislynch on Sloonei to make a mislynch on Rey more likely (and it's already a fairly likely event in a world where Rey is town). That points to a wolf that is very secure in their position or a wolf that doesn't have a plan beyond today.

Sloonei just put forth a townread on Sabie but lots of people have been suspicious of her. I don't think she kills him in this scenario, even to push a Rey mislynch. Cause if that works and we lynch Sloonei and Rey, Sabie because one of the most suspicious players with several mislynches to go.

Nutella doesn't shoot Sloonei here. Leet doesn't shoot Sloonei here. (Jack doesn't shoot Sloonei here.) They're on the edge of POE. Why shoot a player that could eat a mislynch while sparing players who never will and put themselves in more POEs than they would be if they had shot Nova or Bob?

Putting aside tinfoil of a Bob or Nova wolf who wouldn't give a damn about POEs cause they're not really in them, I think the kill choice points to Eloh, who had basically no reads by EOD yesterday (until she suddenly townread Speedchuck) or Audrey, who is in the same boat. Those are the players I can see shooting Sloonei.

[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

Talk to me about your Speedchuck read. Why did you think he was a civ an hour after you told me you had "not a clue" about his alignment?

The turning point of the thread. This day's lynch wagon wasn't too different from speedchuck's, with Jack starting it and me and nutella securing it.

Then drama about not being able to vote, then my ISO, then...

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:07 pm Without having time to catch up as yet I'm tossing a vote on leetic. Eloh train seems a decent one.

bob tosses a vote on me without explanation, and avoids the Eloh train as it picks up traction without explicitly condemning it. Hmm...

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:17 pm After reading elo posts I still am leaning against her.

If elo is bad these are my thoughts.. A lot of her posts are about speed and her indecisiveness on him. She had one post saying one of his posts was kind of suspicious but mostly unsure or he's civ on the others. In the poll she says she thinks hes civ and rey is civ so sloonei says who else would you suspect and she just says she thinks I'm bad and votes me with no real explanation. If she voted there and no one else did then she wouldn't have to be held accountable for a civ lynch or participate in killing off a teammate. Maybe the indecisiveness was to cast doubt on our suspicion of speed and if enough people went with that they may not have votes him.
Not saying being indecisive is necessarily always bad because it is hard to figure out who the baddies are sometimes. I think for me because it was all just about speed who really didn't even put up a fight to being lynched is where my potential suspicion comes from.

I see a vote on leetic. He has been very over zealous and focusing on some things like Reys in Italy reads that probably dont mean a lot but I haven't played with him before and am not really familiar with his playstyle or anything.

I'm voting elo for now but open to hearing other thoughts if they come up. I also will try to look back on some others and see if anything stands out to me.


Bob why do you say kill analysis is blech? Do you mean because you really cant glean much from them as far as who might be bad? I could see that as the two people killed were very vocal civs that got conversation going.

Sabie joins the wagon, a bit late similarly to D2. And after that point, the wagon exploded with both Audrey and nova joining (very late in the phase) and making an Eloh lynch inevitable.

What are my thoughts on this? Well number one we have @reywaS, the only person not to vote and who did not contribute anything to town today. It is sometimes a scum strategy to do nothing and let the town destroy themselves in situations like this, and if that's scum's strategy, it seems reywaS is the player who shows the signs of executing this. I townread reywaS due to other interactions, but I definitely want him to answer to this. Secondly, and I know I'm gonna get a target put on me for doing this, but can we have another look at bob and nova? Both townread due to D1 interactions but they haven't done too much afterwards and you'd think with people universally townreading them they'd be able to get a lot more done for the town. Sabie is the same, a bit suspicious but her vote doesn't seem that much more scummy than the other votes around that timeframe. Audrey is similarly nonexistent. Seriously guys, be more active! Only one page for an entire day phase is not good, and stuff like this is how scum wins games. We were doing so good, we have to finish this!

what am i answering to? I didn't see a question. I explained why i was not helpful this day phase. If you have a specific question I'm here to serve.

My post was written before you posted that. Still, I find it weird that you were able to post two NGR posts but nothing helpful.

An ISO of Day 3 to determine what went wrong:

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:35 pm That's certainly an odd choice for a nightkill, but at least that takes someone major off my suspects list. [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine because everyone else has given me more reason to believe they're town than her.

My P4:

sabie
Jack
reywaS
Audrey

The start of the day saw me have my sights on sabie, for reasons explained in N2.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:00 pm Well that's an odd kill choice. I agree with leetic that it seems like a frame job on rey and is likely [VOTE: sabie] aubergine.

nutella agrees.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:44 pm Sloonei was pushing town forward. This doesn't feel like sabie, it feels like somebody more sophisticated (hopefully no insult, because it really wasn't intended!) Frame-up on reywas is possible but also obvious enough that basing our decision on is is gross and WIFOM-y. I think this was just trying to silence a potential town leader.

But bob doesn't. Interestingly, seems to foreshadow later events...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:21 pm Yeah, that kill is pretty mindboggling. Sloonei's last couple posts looked decent but everything else was pretty bad. We have consensus townreads in Bob and Nova.

I tend to agree the Sloonei kill was about Rey. Either it's because Rey is scum and he wanted to get rid of his biggest detractor or it was to setup Rey. If it's the later, it means the wolf gave up a potential mislynch on Sloonei to make a mislynch on Rey more likely (and it's already a fairly likely event in a world where Rey is town). That points to a wolf that is very secure in their position or a wolf that doesn't have a plan beyond today.

Sloonei just put forth a townread on Sabie but lots of people have been suspicious of her. I don't think she kills him in this scenario, even to push a Rey mislynch. Cause if that works and we lynch Sloonei and Rey, Sabie because one of the most suspicious players with several mislynches to go.

Nutella doesn't shoot Sloonei here. Leet doesn't shoot Sloonei here. (Jack doesn't shoot Sloonei here.) They're on the edge of POE. Why shoot a player that could eat a mislynch while sparing players who never will and put themselves in more POEs than they would be if they had shot Nova or Bob?

Putting aside tinfoil of a Bob or Nova wolf who wouldn't give a damn about POEs cause they're not really in them, I think the kill choice points to Eloh, who had basically no reads by EOD yesterday (until she suddenly townread Speedchuck) or Audrey, who is in the same boat. Those are the players I can see shooting Sloonei.

[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

Talk to me about your Speedchuck read. Why did you think he was a civ an hour after you told me you had "not a clue" about his alignment?

The turning point of the thread. This day's lynch wagon wasn't too different from speedchuck's, with Jack starting it and me and nutella securing it.

Then drama about not being able to vote, then my ISO, then...

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:07 pm Without having time to catch up as yet I'm tossing a vote on leetic. Eloh train seems a decent one.

bob tosses a vote on me without explanation, and avoids the Eloh train as it picks up traction without explicitly condemning it. Hmm...

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:17 pm After reading elo posts I still am leaning against her.

If elo is bad these are my thoughts.. A lot of her posts are about speed and her indecisiveness on him. She had one post saying one of his posts was kind of suspicious but mostly unsure or he's civ on the others. In the poll she says she thinks hes civ and rey is civ so sloonei says who else would you suspect and she just says she thinks I'm bad and votes me with no real explanation. If she voted there and no one else did then she wouldn't have to be held accountable for a civ lynch or participate in killing off a teammate. Maybe the indecisiveness was to cast doubt on our suspicion of speed and if enough people went with that they may not have votes him.
Not saying being indecisive is necessarily always bad because it is hard to figure out who the baddies are sometimes. I think for me because it was all just about speed who really didn't even put up a fight to being lynched is where my potential suspicion comes from.

I see a vote on leetic. He has been very over zealous and focusing on some things like Reys in Italy reads that probably dont mean a lot but I haven't played with him before and am not really familiar with his playstyle or anything.

I'm voting elo for now but open to hearing other thoughts if they come up. I also will try to look back on some others and see if anything stands out to me.


Bob why do you say kill analysis is blech? Do you mean because you really cant glean much from them as far as who might be bad? I could see that as the two people killed were very vocal civs that got conversation going.

Sabie joins the wagon, a bit late similarly to D2. And after that point, the wagon exploded with both Audrey and nova joining (very late in the phase) and making an Eloh lynch inevitable.

What are my thoughts on this? Well number one we have [mention]reywaS[/mention], the only person not to vote and who did not contribute anything to town today. It is sometimes a scum strategy to do nothing and let the town destroy themselves in situations like this, and if that's scum's strategy, it seems reywaS is the player who shows the signs of executing this. I townread reywaS due to other interactions, but I definitely want him to answer to this. Secondly, and I know I'm gonna get a target put on me for doing this, but can we have another look at bob and nova? Both townread due to D1 interactions but they haven't done too much afterwards and you'd think with people universally townreading them they'd be able to get a lot more done for the town. Sabie is the same, a bit suspicious but her vote doesn't seem that much more scummy than the other votes around that timeframe. Audrey is similarly nonexistent. Seriously guys, be more active! Only one page for an entire day phase is not good, and stuff like this is how scum wins games. We were doing so good, we have to finish this!

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:29 pm I didn't change my opinion on chuck. I always never thought he did anything to look bad. I have to go plate and eat dinner with the fam.. I will be back later.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:19 am Are we still doing the two townreads two scumreads thing, or am I too late to the party?

eeww....I don't like this question. Civs can always benefit from opinions like this and the fact that you are asking is making me change my opinion on you.

And that's not mentioning the multiple times you townread him. Mind telling me the truth?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:12 pm hahaha, yes, Animal Jam is a favorite in my house too.

This is your last chance to defend yourself. If you have any pro town motivations, then there is no reason for you to not try to avoid a mislynch (if you are one). Can you at least answer why you changed your opinion on speedchuck so much?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:21 pm Whoever the last baddie is is laughing it up today with all y'all gunnin' for me.

Totally a convincing defense. Can you actually respond to my (and everyone else's) points?

Continuing from my last post:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:49 pm wow guys. I have been working and just now getting back to the thread. I have no clue how the train came to be on luna, but great job. And Jay already on it trying to figure out who is bad with Luna....wish I had your time and eagerness.

Her first post after the Luna lynch. Very vague stuff considering her interactions with Luna earlier in the thread.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:21 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:34 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:36 pm Okay, so my vote. I don't think I have even mentioned nova this game. I have had a bad gut read on him but haven't said anything since it isn't concrete. I like to have reasons to back up my feelings.

Wait! Why is nova voting for himself? He has been really strange this game. If he wants to vote for himself, he can get one from me too. Thank you for giving me a concrete reason to vote you, nova.

linki, with Jay. That is exactly what I thought. Glad to know I read you right And I would say you don't care abotu Chuck's alignment because you know it won't hurt civs that much to get a mislynch Day 1. Even when civs win, they usually have a misllynch Day1.

there is a lot more linki...I'll read it in a minute.

I’ve liked all of elohcin’s posts until this one.

why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:18 am Then again, he might be more inclined toward being an influential force if his teammate is plumetting toward a lynch. I don’t have a clear sense of how exactly the voting played out.

The speedchuck wagon had swelled to 4 votes at its peak I believe. A few others had 2 each, including Jack and nova. I decided to move my vote from speedchuck to Lunalee:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:49 pm [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

This made it 3-2-2-2 with speechuck in front (colonialbob had voted Luna first about 2.5 hours earlier). Then about 15-20 minutes later, nova moved to Luna and an avalanche followed him. I recommend you review the progression starting from my vote.

Thanks for this recap, Jay. So Nova looks pretty darn good then.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:09 pm One thing I found interesting is that, with my switch to the Jack wagon, votes were 4-5, meaning it would be easy for scum to flip the lynch if they wanted to. Get, for some reason, they didn't.

There are a few potential conclusions that can be drawn from this:

1. Scum was already on the Jack wagon, and thus couldn't switch.
2. Scum wasn't around during EOD.
3. Jack himself is scum.

If conclusion 1 is correct, that's not a good look for reywaS, and likewise with sabie and conclusion 2. Thus, I think either of them would be good targets for D2.

I like this train of thought. I like the way you play, my friend. Your posts get to the point and are easy to digest.

posting, but I'm only at the top of pg 19

Not much here, just responding to a minor accusation and vague agreement with me and JJJ.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:26 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:48 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:32 pm Nutella, I am sitting here trying to figure this out as well. I think you got it. He picks two, if one has a power, he dies instead. So did mafia kill him or did he die b/c of his power. I have no clue It is confusing. Epi can you give us a clearer description of Jay's role?

Eloh, we haven’t talked much this game. Where’s your head at?

I don't think we every interact much in games, tbh.

At the moment, I am just trying to stay awake. I have worked full days, 6 days this week and I am so tired physically and emotionally. That being said, let's first talk about Rey and leetic.

I am thankful for people like leetic who have the time and effort to do ISOs. I see leetic as a trustworthy civ, however this IS my first game with him.

Rey is a hard one to read. His playstyle is silly and unfocused. He is right when he says he doesn't take time to do ISOs. I would bet he has never even clicked the "isolate posts" button for an individual player. He just has fun and goes with the flow. This makes it difficult to either trust him, or see him as bad. So, as he could be bad, I am unsure.

Next is Sabie. (I am just talking about the people's names I see as I catch up in the thread.) I can never read Sabie. She(?) is always very neutral to me. She seems a little go-along, get-along to me this game which could be scummy. Oh wait....she has been sick, I forgot.

Nova is the next name I see....I haven't liked him this game, but then again, I want to say that the luna lynch made him look good if I remember correctly. I could be misremembering.

Chuck...not a clue. @leetic what do you mean by saying chuck is "sheeping" nova?

Bob - seems to be a helpful civ, but mafia can seem that way if they care to put in the effort. He mentions putting on a Jay suit. Maybe he thinks that with Jay gone, he can fill those shoes and get civ cred for it. Or, perhaps he is actually good and just trying to keep the game moving and the baddies killed. (This little paragraph says I basically have no idea about Bob's allignment. It is the kind of post MP would always make. "He could be good, he could be bad, I don't know.")

Nutella....I actually think is good despite some suspicious posts on Day 1. So, this means she is probably bad.

Audrey. I think this may be her first game. She is 8 years old. She very well could be bad, but I say this not because of any posts she has made. Her posts have seemed fine. She is probably civ. Jack, you are concerned with her posting times. I think she is in Australia.

sloonei. I think civ. call it gut. I am posting this. I have 2 more pages to go.

Her reads, which is a post that has already been dissected. No read on chuck, despite having posted more concrete thoughts on him earlier. Yeah.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:47 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:25 pm Ok speed responded to leetic's thing but my point stands. It's unusual for him to need a reminder and appear that reluctant/uncaring. Here is a post from Hogwarts in which he immediately responds to each point of a case I made on him, and in these two posts he eagerly invites people to engage him and give him stuff about himself to respond to.

Sorry, I must have forgotten what opionion you had of speed. What point stands if you don't mind repeating yourself.

okaym that is all I can get in...gotta go do something...be back soon

Slight resistance to speed wagon, echoes her D1 behavior.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:22 pm I don't know who to vote for. I think this is a civ/civ lynch here.

Now a more concrete statement, but she doesn't back it up, and when combined with her vague opinions of rey and speed that were expressed earlier, it all seems weird.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:59 pm okay, I like what Sloonei said....If I don;t think about the trains and just go with who I think could be bad, it would be sabie. Sorry Sabie, I hope you are feeling better. But I have to vote you.

Doesn't take the speed wagon. Maybe she anticipated that we would be looking for buses, but I don't know.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:51 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:35 pm That's certainly an odd choice for a nightkill, but at least that takes someone major off my suspects list. [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine because everyone else has given me more reason to believe they're town than her.

My P4:

sabie
Jack
reywaS
Audrey

odd indeed. why would mafia kill sloonei. Would be cool if I was right about Sabie.

Vague post, likely designed to push the thread toward a Sabie lynch (at a time we were moving away from it).

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:05 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:21 pm Yeah, that kill is pretty mindboggling. Sloonei's last couple posts looked decent but everything else was pretty bad. We have consensus townreads in Bob and Nova.

I tend to agree the Sloonei kill was about Rey. Either it's because Rey is scum and he wanted to get rid of his biggest detractor or it was to setup Rey. If it's the later, it means the wolf gave up a potential mislynch on Sloonei to make a mislynch on Rey more likely (and it's already a fairly likely event in a world where Rey is town). That points to a wolf that is very secure in their position or a wolf that doesn't have a plan beyond today.

Sloonei just put forth a townread on Sabie but lots of people have been suspicious of her. I don't think she kills him in this scenario, even to push a Rey mislynch. Cause if that works and we lynch Sloonei and Rey, Sabie because one of the most suspicious players with several mislynches to go.

Nutella doesn't shoot Sloonei here. Leet doesn't shoot Sloonei here. (Jack doesn't shoot Sloonei here.) They're on the edge of POE. Why shoot a player that could eat a mislynch while sparing players who never will and put themselves in more POEs than they would be if they had shot Nova or Bob?

Putting aside tinfoil of a Bob or Nova wolf who wouldn't give a damn about POEs cause they're not really in them, I think the kill choice points to Eloh, who had basically no reads by EOD yesterday (until she suddenly townread Speedchuck) or Audrey, who is in the same boat. Those are the players I can see shooting Sloonei.

[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

Talk to me about your Speedchuck read. Why did you think he was a civ an hour after you told me you had "not a clue" about his alignment?

He hadn't done anything to make me think he was bad. Still, I had no clue if he were good or bad.

What the hell. You posted several different opinions on him and even have had interactions with the guy, yet you post this. Moment I decided to change my vote.

Overall, nothing to convince me to change my vote on her. If anyone else is willing to post their thoughts on all this, it'd be nice.

She was a user many, including myself, had townread for various reasons. But were we too quick in our judgements? Let's find out as we analyze

Elohcin

With only 28 posts as of this writing, she is basically the least active person save Audrey. So, what do her posts tell us?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:42 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:36 am

reywaS wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:39 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:20 am Let me make it clear that this will be an active Mafia game. Every phase will move at a good pace, and we will not fart around for a moment while the mafia team does whatever they like.

Purpleface me all you like rey! I just had to watch an entire civilian team barely care until it was too late in the Socky game. The mafia team didn’t break a sweat until LyLo.

It’s not happening with JJJ around. No sir. Today we give a shit. Today we fight our oppressors. Today we make them suffer the cold bite of justice.

reywaS wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:32 am sounds like a mafia gambit...just sayin, homie. rallying the troops with deceit in your heart? Say it ain't so!

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:19 am Haha you guys trying to accuse me because I said hi its gonna be a good group? I didn't have any chatter because no one was on to chat with when I was here. My accusation is nova and Jay must be teammates trying to stir the pot together and get all the suspicions off of them.

I have you agree that the thoughts crossed my mind as well. But I think Jay (at least) is being genuine. Chuck said it best and summed it up very well...

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:11 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:58 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:14 am leetic I've ne'er seen you before. I'd love to hear where you're from, and what you think your playstyle is like.

JJJ is pending town. Ask me why.

Aw heck Sloonei

Y tho

Town JJJ is supah hot fire. Or, at least he can be.

As scum, he can only fake that intensity and proactivity.

Examples: Phenon: Origins. JJJ was pretty chill in that game and only made it through the last day due to town complacency and his emotional pleas, not because of firey town hunting.
Mountain Mafia also had a scum JJJ in it. His arguments, through D3, fell flat. The usual effort wasn't there, and it was more about half-hearted bussing and opportunistic arguments than genuine 'stirring the pot'.

If JJJ keeps up his current attitude, and keeps people on their toes, I'm comfortable labeling him town. It is still pending, though. Give him a few days.

This doesn't mean I 100% think Jay is town. But I think it is very likely.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:10 pm Sloonei could be bad. Need more data. Cbob need more data too

Couldn't you say this about everyone?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:10 pm Rey is trying too hard

Rey is just silly. Have you played with him before?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:27 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:12 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:57 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:38 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:19 am Haha you guys trying to accuse me because I said hi its gonna be a good group? I didn't have any chatter because no one was on to chat with when I was here. My accusation is nova and Jay must be teammates trying to stir the pot together and get all the suspicions off of them.

Nevermind Jay and Nova. Seems like they are strong-arming everyone at the door with their check-in posts. It's simply a power show.

What does this "power show" indicate to you about rey and I?

I didn't mention rey. It just makes you and Nova look like you're excited for the game, and don't mind punching reads out of people's check-in posts. I like the enthusiasm, but your methods look a bit harsh.

This... is actually interesting. Rey for Nova slip. I'm intrigued.

Hmmmm...what do we think about this? Was it just an accidental mention of the wrong name. Rey, why would Jay accidentally say YOUR name instead of Nova?

Still one more page to read, posting anyway b/c I don't care that people are annoyed by that.

First game related post. The part that is most interesting is near the top, when she corroborates a post of speedchuck's. If scum, a bit early to have such an interaction in thread. Still though, not anything to make a solid read on.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:09 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:25 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:19 pmElohcin - Mostly null, a bit of a town lean. He seems to be posting his thoughts a little and avoid minor drama. Still, hasn't done too much.

Thanks for the reads, leetic. Can you expand a little on what you observed from Elohcin that led you to the conclusion I highlighted? Also, she's a she (just FYI ).

She posted a little about you and nutella, and seems to have disregarded the drama of you saying someone else's name. Not much, which is why I mostly consider her null, but more than a couple others have done.

For clarity's sake, I didn't disregard anything. I even asked rey why Jay would do such a thing. I try not to get on nutella too early. It is something I have fault with doing. I always think her Day 0/Day1, and heck maybe Day 2 posts scream baddie so I try to give her the benefit of the doubt. So I am refraining from expanding on every one of her posts. I'm just trying to soak everything in for now. It's what I do. I'll come out later...ask the others. As for now, I have 6 pages to read after working all day :P. I'll share my thoughts as I go. I'm at the top of pg 5.

Here's a post that I find a bit weird, in which she is disputing something that I townread her for. It seems a misunderstanding I guess, but this reaction is very jumpy.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:24 pm

AudreyTheTattletail wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:48 pm i promise you nutella is a were wolf otherwise why would she use lots of bad words in a small sentense if she's not a were wolf well than who else could be seriously.

what's a were wolf?

reywaS wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:52 pm im still curious why nutella thinks my read post was serious. Waiting for a response. Thanks.

paranoia?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:33 pm Neither omgus not anger.


Have you played with me before leetic?

leetic seems to read you like I read you. And I am slowly but surely trying to not think everything you say is baddie indicative. But I totally see where he gets what he does.

civ: leetic, chuck
scum: TBD

.....going to top of pg 6

So, chuck is a civ read at this point. Remember that. Also interaction with Audrey, and slight shade on nutella, but apparently no solid scumreads.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:19 am Are we still doing the two townreads two scumreads thing, or am I too late to the party?

eeww....I don't like this question. Civs can always benefit from opinions like this and the fact that you are asking is making me change my opinion on you.

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I know, I know....Tasha, just read everything and THEN post. But then I would never post!!! It took me an hour and a half to get through 4 minutes of a tv show today....literally!!!!

Then almost immediately afterward, this happened. It makes it weird when she later said chuck hadn't done anything to make himself look bad, when she just pointed out an example.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:20 pm Someone tell me why speedchuck is a civilian.

Didn't YOU say he was because of his game greeting?

Most of this post was rather offtopic but here's the interesting bit, pointing out Jay's very early civ read on chuck. Attempt to throw shade off of a teammate?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:24 am Day 1 ISO of Elohcin

Large catch-up post #1

By the way Eloh: I think it's great that you make an effort to get your thoughts into the game as you are catching up. By all means continue doing that.

What I like about this post: she acknowledged both sides of the read on me and still came to a conclusive stance, that I am very likely a civilian. She poked nutella in a meaningful way. In response to my nova/rey flub she actually prodded rey, which I think is interesting and fun.

What I like less: she dismissed nutella's suspicion of rey too easily.

Spoiler: show

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:24 pmleetic seems to read you like I read you. And I am slowly but surely trying to not think everything you say is baddie indicative. But I totally see where he gets what he does.

civ: leetic, chuck
scum: TBD

I am just making note that Eloh provided two civilian reads here that I think I had previously missed. Cool beans.

Spoiler: show

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:19 am Are we still doing the two townreads two scumreads thing, or am I too late to the party?

eeww....I don't like this question. Civs can always benefit from opinions like this and the fact that you are asking is making me change my opinion on you.

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I know, I know....Tasha, just read everything and THEN post. But then I would never post!!! It took me an hour and a half to get through 4 minutes of a tv show today....literally!!!!

She promptly turned her opinion around on speedchuck in response to the above post. I don't object to the progression really. She's working in real-time. I would like to know though, Elohcin, why you had read speedchuck as a civilian before this moment?

Large catch-up post #2

This one contains no reads and is instead neutral commentary on a few select thread nuggets. She's right about me here, but it doesn't say much in the way of a read progression.

~~~

This feels less inspiring than I thought it might given my prior confidence. Generally I still lean in the civilian direction, but I am open to dissenting views.

Churck's demeanor seemed civ from the get-go. But, just as I usually see nutella as bad, I usually see chuck as good. I need to put my preconceptions out of my mind.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:09 am People who haven’t voted yet as of 10am EST:

Elohcin
Lunalee
reywaS
speedchuck

I could legitimately see the entire mafia team existing in this set.

I very rarely vote early even when votes are changeable.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:14 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:10 am

Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:13 pm speedchuck, I'd be interested to hear about your present feelings on Elohcin, regardless of the GTH read.

Absence makes the heart forget why we ever loved in the first place

Meh. I asked him this because he'd called Elohcin a civilian in his 2/2 and then a mafioso in his GTH reads. The switch doesn't have to be a problem. I suspected though that he'd forgotten his own fake read and gave her a red in the GTH, because mafia members need reds and she was an easy one given her low post count.

...and he did forget.

Holy shit I love this.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

I've done similar as a civ. I cannot fault him for this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:19 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:18 pm Sorry, don't have an example. Day 1 lynches are hard for me.

They're hard for all of us. I have to wonder though why you're mounting resistance to a bandwagon on a player for whom you don't have a read.

I back luna on this. The votes on chuck seem suspicious and I am not even close to certain of chuck's alignment either. From the get-go, JJJ has been saying BS about this player and that player whether is be of their civviness or baddiness. He has been doing whatever he can just to get people to participate. I think that this his vote for chuck and hard go on chuck is the same thing. I don;t think JJJ CARES if chuck si good or bad. I think he just thinks that it will get people working to solve the game. I think JJJ could be indie.

Here's when things go from "mostly fine" to "yikes". It is weird to see all three scummates coordinated in thread this early, but just look at this post! Definitely very suspicious.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:38 pm I guess it wasn't too much linki. Anyway....why are you going after chuck specifically, Jay. Why did you choose HIM to be the guinea pig for getting people to participate?

More talking about chuck. What I find interesting is immediately afterward, chuck says this:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:39 pm For what it's worth, I appreciate those trying to defend me and I think it comes from a town standpoint.

It's the same attitude that had the townies flopping every lynch in the Socky's game, good or bad. "This lynch is forming too fast, it must be bad!" It saved DDL for a day (scum), saved Reywas for a day (town)... might have saved Sabie if not for nutella's claim throwing a wrench in the final day.

So either they're teammates or chuck is trying to throw us off the scent.

I have to leave now, I'll finish the rest of the ISO later.

Is it just me or is the poll not allowing you to change your vote?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:05 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:21 pm Yeah, that kill is pretty mindboggling. Sloonei's last couple posts looked decent but everything else was pretty bad. We have consensus townreads in Bob and Nova.

I tend to agree the Sloonei kill was about Rey. Either it's because Rey is scum and he wanted to get rid of his biggest detractor or it was to setup Rey. If it's the later, it means the wolf gave up a potential mislynch on Sloonei to make a mislynch on Rey more likely (and it's already a fairly likely event in a world where Rey is town). That points to a wolf that is very secure in their position or a wolf that doesn't have a plan beyond today.

Sloonei just put forth a townread on Sabie but lots of people have been suspicious of her. I don't think she kills him in this scenario, even to push a Rey mislynch. Cause if that works and we lynch Sloonei and Rey, Sabie because one of the most suspicious players with several mislynches to go.

Nutella doesn't shoot Sloonei here. Leet doesn't shoot Sloonei here. (Jack doesn't shoot Sloonei here.) They're on the edge of POE. Why shoot a player that could eat a mislynch while sparing players who never will and put themselves in more POEs than they would be if they had shot Nova or Bob?

Putting aside tinfoil of a Bob or Nova wolf who wouldn't give a damn about POEs cause they're not really in them, I think the kill choice points to Eloh, who had basically no reads by EOD yesterday (until she suddenly townread Speedchuck) or Audrey, who is in the same boat. Those are the players I can see shooting Sloonei.

[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

Talk to me about your Speedchuck read. Why did you think he was a civ an hour after you told me you had "not a clue" about his alignment?

He hadn't done anything to make me think he was bad. Still, I had no clue if he were good or bad.

Yeah, this noncommittal nonsense isn't gonna cut it. Lunalee said basically the same thing about speedchuck. [VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine, and stand by while I prepare an ISO of your posts.

One interesting thing to note is that Audrey wasn't even online during the last night phase. This is probably enough to clear her, unless there is a mechanic like the kill being randomized if scum doesn't pick one.

The main user who Sloonei targeted was reywaS, meaning reywaS looks bad since Sloonei was killed over a more obvious choice like nova. Of course, scum may have known this and killed Sloonei to make reywaS look bad. I find the second scenario more likely myself.

That's certainly an odd choice for a nightkill, but at least that takes someone major off my suspects list. [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine because everyone else has given me more reason to believe they're town than her.

My P4:

sabie
Jack
reywaS
Audrey

Since both of the people who flipped scum so kindly participated in the GTH, let's do some GTH analysis!

Users both labelled as good:

leetic
Sloonei
JaggedJimmyJay
nutella

Users both labelled as bad:

novaselinenever
AudreytheTattleTail (chuck's opinion of her was a little less clear though)

Disagreements:

reywaS (speed good, Luna bad)
Elohcin (Luna good, speed bad)
JackofHearts2005 (Luna good, speed bad)
colonialbob (speed good, Luna bad)

Both labelled each other as "good".

Users who labelled both as good:

reywaS
novaselinenever

Users who labelled both as bad:

Only JaggedJimmyJay.

Users who labelled only one as bad:

Jack and nutella both listed speedchuck as bad, but Lunalee as good.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:22 am Why me? I mean sloonei hasn't been his usual self this game so I get why people may be wary of him but what is there to base suspicion on with me?

It's more the fact that I have reasons to believe that almost everyone else is town, but I don't see any reasons to believe that you are town, and thus you start to stand out as a suspect.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:28 am Y’all are trying way to hard to force a scum read on me.

Well, it's not just that. Simple POE is not looking in your favor now. Allow me to demonstrate:

colonialbob
Elohcin
novaselinenever
nutella
reywaS

I have strong reason to townread these five, for reasons I already expressed.

AudreyTheTattleTail
Jackofhearts2005

Lunalee didn't know Audrey's age, suggesting Audrey wasn't in the scumchat (this may have been a result of her inactivity though). I suppose Jack could be scum, but it seems unlikely after speedchuck's flip.

sabie12
Sloonei

The two loose ends. One of them is likely scum.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:58 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:51 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:45 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:35 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:33 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:15 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:14 am There is no reason for scum sloonei to draw attention to himself by shifting his vote to speedchuck last second.

WIFOM

My rule of thumb is that if “WIFOM” is one’s strongest argument for a suspect, then it’s not a strong enough argument.

My rule of thumb is that if "too scummy to be scum" is one's strongest argument for a defense, then it's not a strong enough argument.

Would you agree that my only motivation to change my vote there would be WIFOM?

Nah. Your argument could just be a way of covering yourself from a bad move.

So you think I panicked?

It's definitely a possibility.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:45 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:35 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:33 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:15 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:14 am There is no reason for scum sloonei to draw attention to himself by shifting his vote to speedchuck last second.

WIFOM

My rule of thumb is that if “WIFOM” is one’s strongest argument for a suspect, then it’s not a strong enough argument.

My rule of thumb is that if "too scummy to be scum" is one's strongest argument for a defense, then it's not a strong enough argument.

Would you agree that my only motivation to change my vote there would be WIFOM?

Nah. Your argument could just be a way of covering yourself from a bad move.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:33 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:15 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:14 am There is no reason for scum sloonei to draw attention to himself by shifting his vote to speedchuck last second.

WIFOM

My rule of thumb is that if “WIFOM” is one’s strongest argument for a suspect, then it’s not a strong enough argument.

My rule of thumb is that if "too scummy to be scum" is one's strongest argument for a defense, then it's not a strong enough argument.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:14 am There is no reason for scum sloonei to draw attention to himself by shifting his vote to speedchuck last second.

WIFOM

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:04 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:59 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:57 am If I’m bad, I’m painting a big red target on me with that move.

Is "too scummy to be scum" really a good defense?

Yes. You just used a similar argument to clear reywas

No, that's using an interaction with other users to clear someone. rey's joke post wasn't particularly scummy.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:57 am If I’m bad, I’m painting a big red target on me with that move.

Is "too scummy to be scum" really a good defense?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:57 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:56 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:55 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:29 pm There’s a big part of me that wants to vote speedchuck for the sake of a terrible pun I’ve been sitting on all game, but I like the balance of the vote distribution right now and I don’t know if I’ll be around for the end of day.

Yeah, I don't like the looks of this post. It reads like "I'll stay in the reg wagon in case it takes off but create a plausible reason for me to switch to the speed wagon in case I need to make myself look good"

Or I just had a joke to make.

That's not the point. The point is, you joined the speed wagon at a very convenient time.

I disagree.

I mean, it was right before the phase end, and right when it was almost guaranteed speedchuck was going to be lynched, thus a low-risk time to bus.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:55 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:29 pm There’s a big part of me that wants to vote speedchuck for the sake of a terrible pun I’ve been sitting on all game, but I like the balance of the vote distribution right now and I don’t know if I’ll be around for the end of day.

Yeah, I don't like the looks of this post. It reads like "I'll stay in the reg wagon in case it takes off but create a plausible reason for me to switch to the speed wagon in case I need to make myself look good"

Or I just had a joke to make.

That's not the point. The point is, you joined the speed wagon at a very convenient time.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:29 pm There’s a big part of me that wants to vote speedchuck for the sake of a terrible pun I’ve been sitting on all game, but I like the balance of the vote distribution right now and I don’t know if I’ll be around for the end of day.

Yeah, I don't like the looks of this post. It reads like "I'll stay in the reg wagon in case it takes off but create a plausible reason for me to switch to the speed wagon in case I need to make myself look good"

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:26 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:18 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:12 am Am I missing something or did some people not vote this poll?

reywaS and nova didn't vote

Weird that they didn't vote.
Also didn't reywas name you leetic as the third mafia member in that same post?


Also I was never on the Rey wagon I voted speed in both polls

He did. But revealing his two scummates in his three most suspicious users is just too much a WIFOM gambit if he was scum. Also, I was referring to Sloonei.

I wouldn't be surprised if scum was on the speedchuck wagon. Sabie and Sloonei, especially the latter who suddenly jumped from the rey wagon to the speed wagon at the end of the phase, are top suspects.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:12 am Am I missing something or did some people not vote this poll?

reywaS and nova didn't vote

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:10 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:08 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:04 am @leetic why are you clearing reywas?

Revealing the entire rest of the mafia team, even as a joke, just seems like something the mafia wouldn't do. speedchuck's targeting of him looks in his favor too. Plus, there were a few towny moments of him in my ISO. Overall, it's very unlikely he's scum.

When was the entire mafia team “revealed”?

The post of his I just quoted.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:04 am @leetic why are you clearing reywas?

Revealing the entire rest of the mafia team, even as a joke, just seems like something the mafia wouldn't do. speedchuck's targeting of him looks in his favor too. Plus, there were a few towny moments of him in my ISO. Overall, it's very unlikely he's scum.

To keep track, here is a list of other players so far that I feel confident in townreading:

colonialbob
Elohcin
novaselinenever
nutella
reywaS

We can do this.

If Elohcin were scum, she could've easily jumped on the speedchuck wagon to gain town points, but didn't. Another person off my list for now.

Also LOL at two of my town reads in my first reads post turning out to be scum

I was a little iffy about nutella before this, but since she was the second one on the speed train and thus the one to make it a viable option, she's pretty much town. Wow, my suspects list is thinning fast!

reywaS wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:52 am leetic
Lunalee
speedchuck

reywaS....good AF...obv: Would not lynch
Elohcin....A saint without a deceitful atom in her brain...obv: Would not lynch
nutella....Who knows. Maybe good probably bad...or not: Wouldn't lynch..unless you guys are up for it.
colonialbob....anyone with bob in their name is likely good: Wouldn't lynch
novaselinever....The thought of no lube terrifies me. Not to be effed with: Wouldn't lynch
JaggedJimmyJay....rallying the troops and leader of the civilian army OBV: Wouldn't lynch...would join an unneeded lynch train tho.
JackofHearts2005....the Jack is objectively (all my brain cells agree) the best card in the deck. I saw a kanye concert in 2005. Would not lynch
Sloonei....Name is slightly suspicious. Might lynch
sabie12....see Sloonei
AudreyTheTattleTail....Admitted snitch Would lynch

leetic, Lunalee, speedchuck...the "double EE" crew. Mafia as fuck. SHOULD LYNCH ASAP.

There i solved the game.

I think this almost clears reywaS, since revealing almost the entire scumteam seems like too much of a WIFOM gambit.

Just wow! We shouldn't get complacent of course, but just... Awesome.