The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:49 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:00 pm Do you post links to the scum/dead QCs when it's all done here?

Scum chat aka my diary. http://us20.chatzy.com/16812335454974

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:35 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:08 am i knew jack was bad with cbob's mislynch. killing audrey off sealed the deal for me. well played by all. was really nice to spectate, sometimes the good guys just don't win.

I literally never win ever. So I think I may disappear from mafia again for awhile. Like this just isnt the place for me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:43 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:34 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:15 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:04 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:57 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:44 pm I am still kind of iffy on what to do for sure. I was kind of thinking jack seems more overly confident than leetic. I wonder though because what if he feels that way because he is the baddie and the suspicion has been on me and leetic more than him lately so he figured he's in the clear. Leetic has been more strongly defending himself whereas jack is more so carefully building a case against leetic. What I remembered from civ jack before was he wasn't as calm he was more intense and aggressive about getting the baddies and about me helping him to get the baddies. Just something of note that I've been kinda thinking about.


Sucks that end of day is so late when old lady sabbz tries to go to bed.

I'm confident because I know it's Leetic. Seems jokey but seriously, I've been confident of my top suspect every day except the beginning of today until Leetic outted. First two were mafia so I was right to be confident. Next two were town and that sucks but I tried really hard to get Eloh to explain her inconsistent reads and she just kept lying about them instead. Liar with convenient reads seemed like a sure thing. Bob's on me. I'm notoriously bad at reading Bob (his sig on our homesite is townie me saying "You're not Nightblue" and then the host saying "CBob is dead. He was Nightblue (Town).") I got overconfident since I trusted you, Nova and Leetic and for half of my case, I thought he was the only one besides Rey who would shoot Sloonei since I didn't know that Rey really did shoot Sloonei.

Are you talking about World Asunder or what? Cause I went after a group of ~5 townies in that game based almost entirely off night actions. And I had the hunger going on that I couldn't talk about. And I kept getting BTSC with my suspects and then I started (wrongly) trusting them. And everyone kept listening to DH for some reason even though they knew he wasn't town and it caused lots of problems and I got kinda salty over it. It was a pretty poorly played and frustrating town game of mine.

Since then, I've played 3 town games on MU where I helped kick the crap out of the mafia and then turned around and caught two wolves here. So yeah. I'm sure I come off as more confident and collected than in World Asunder where I was ranting about burning swimming pools and not catching any bad guys.

Well, the case you're so confident on today is untrue as well. So either you've fallen downhill in catching mafia since D2, or you are mafia trying to lead easy mislynches. After everything, and especially this last day phase, I find the latter to be much more likely, but it's still not too late to convince me. If you're not the mafia, then sabie is, so give me a convincing case that she could possibly be mafia. 'Til then, my vote's on you.

You keep asking me to case Sabie and it's not going to happen. I don't think Sabie's the wolf.

sabie12

You see this right? Why would a townie keep asking me this? He knows we're town and wins if he convinces one of us but he doesn't have a case so instead he's just asking me to case you and begging you to townread him. A townie would try to figure out who the mafia is. Look bad at your posts today. You're considering angles. Look back at mine. I'm doing the same. Look at Leetic's. He's not considering angles or scenarios. His case on me was inaccurate because he doesn't care about figuring me out. His case on you doesn't exist and he keeps asking me to make it for him because he doesn't care about figuring you out. He's strictly trying to convince with emotional appeals. "It's not too late." "I beg you to reconsider." It's just manipulation.

Now look here. I'm not asking you to case sabie because I know you're both town (in truth, I know one of you is scum). I'm doing it because I don't want a mislynch, and there is a chance (although I feel a small one) that sabie is the last scum and we are wasting our time fighting each other. So if that's the case, I want you to try and present a case on sabie. It's simple cooperation. Also, you're lying about my cases on the two of you, I've already made them and going through them, I feel my case on you is stronger. The reason I had to reach out to sabie is because, of the two of you, she seemed less set in her vote, and I know that there is a 0% chance of town winning if I am the lynch today. I've been trying to get you to consider all options, but you've been tunneling hard this last day, and even criticizing me for trying to view this from all sides. This hastiness just makes it far more clear that you're scum.

Man, make up your mind on if you're sure I'm a wolf or not.

How am I being hasty? You voted me first. I was conflicted until you came in saying you were sure I was the wolf because I up and decided to bus Speed on D2 after the Luna lynch, which absolutely did not happen and there's no way you can look at my posts and think it happened since Speed was my number one scumread on D1.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:15 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:04 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:57 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:44 pm I am still kind of iffy on what to do for sure. I was kind of thinking jack seems more overly confident than leetic. I wonder though because what if he feels that way because he is the baddie and the suspicion has been on me and leetic more than him lately so he figured he's in the clear. Leetic has been more strongly defending himself whereas jack is more so carefully building a case against leetic. What I remembered from civ jack before was he wasn't as calm he was more intense and aggressive about getting the baddies and about me helping him to get the baddies. Just something of note that I've been kinda thinking about.


Sucks that end of day is so late when old lady sabbz tries to go to bed.

I'm confident because I know it's Leetic. Seems jokey but seriously, I've been confident of my top suspect every day except the beginning of today until Leetic outted. First two were mafia so I was right to be confident. Next two were town and that sucks but I tried really hard to get Eloh to explain her inconsistent reads and she just kept lying about them instead. Liar with convenient reads seemed like a sure thing. Bob's on me. I'm notoriously bad at reading Bob (his sig on our homesite is townie me saying "You're not Nightblue" and then the host saying "CBob is dead. He was Nightblue (Town).") I got overconfident since I trusted you, Nova and Leetic and for half of my case, I thought he was the only one besides Rey who would shoot Sloonei since I didn't know that Rey really did shoot Sloonei.

Are you talking about World Asunder or what? Cause I went after a group of ~5 townies in that game based almost entirely off night actions. And I had the hunger going on that I couldn't talk about. And I kept getting BTSC with my suspects and then I started (wrongly) trusting them. And everyone kept listening to DH for some reason even though they knew he wasn't town and it caused lots of problems and I got kinda salty over it. It was a pretty poorly played and frustrating town game of mine.

Since then, I've played 3 town games on MU where I helped kick the crap out of the mafia and then turned around and caught two wolves here. So yeah. I'm sure I come off as more confident and collected than in World Asunder where I was ranting about burning swimming pools and not catching any bad guys.

Well, the case you're so confident on today is untrue as well. So either you've fallen downhill in catching mafia since D2, or you are mafia trying to lead easy mislynches. After everything, and especially this last day phase, I find the latter to be much more likely, but it's still not too late to convince me. If you're not the mafia, then sabie is, so give me a convincing case that she could possibly be mafia. 'Til then, my vote's on you.

You keep asking me to case Sabie and it's not going to happen. I don't think Sabie's the wolf.

@sabie12

You see this right? Why would a townie keep asking me this? He knows we're town and wins if he convinces one of us but he doesn't have a case so instead he's just asking me to case you and begging you to townread him. A townie would try to figure out who the mafia is. Look bad at your posts today. You're considering angles. Look back at mine. I'm doing the same. Look at Leetic's. He's not considering angles or scenarios. His case on me was inaccurate because he doesn't care about figuring me out. His case on you doesn't exist and he keeps asking me to make it for him because he doesn't care about figuring you out. He's strictly trying to convince with emotional appeals. "It's not too late." "I beg you to reconsider." It's just manipulation.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:57 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:44 pm I am still kind of iffy on what to do for sure. I was kind of thinking jack seems more overly confident than leetic. I wonder though because what if he feels that way because he is the baddie and the suspicion has been on me and leetic more than him lately so he figured he's in the clear. Leetic has been more strongly defending himself whereas jack is more so carefully building a case against leetic. What I remembered from civ jack before was he wasn't as calm he was more intense and aggressive about getting the baddies and about me helping him to get the baddies. Just something of note that I've been kinda thinking about.


Sucks that end of day is so late when old lady sabbz tries to go to bed.

I'm confident because I know it's Leetic. Seems jokey but seriously, I've been confident of my top suspect every day except the beginning of today until Leetic outted. First two were mafia so I was right to be confident. Next two were town and that sucks but I tried really hard to get Eloh to explain her inconsistent reads and she just kept lying about them instead. Liar with convenient reads seemed like a sure thing. Bob's on me. I'm notoriously bad at reading Bob (his sig on our homesite is townie me saying "You're not Nightblue" and then the host saying "CBob is dead. He was Nightblue (Town).") I got overconfident since I trusted you, Nova and Leetic and for half of my case, I thought he was the only one besides Rey who would shoot Sloonei since I didn't know that Rey really did shoot Sloonei.

Are you talking about World Asunder or what? Cause I went after a group of ~5 townies in that game based almost entirely off night actions. And I had the hunger going on that I couldn't talk about. And I kept getting BTSC with my suspects and then I started (wrongly) trusting them. And everyone kept listening to DH for some reason even though they knew he wasn't town and it caused lots of problems and I got kinda salty over it. It was a pretty poorly played and frustrating town game of mine.

Since then, I've played 3 town games on MU where I helped kick the crap out of the mafia and then turned around and caught two wolves here. So yeah. I'm sure I come off as more confident and collected than in World Asunder where I was ranting about burning swimming pools and not catching any bad guys.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:37 pm Yesterday, you tried to lynch Sabie or Bob. Today, you tried to lynch Sabie or me.

Like I’ve been saying, it hasn’t been about lynching the wolf. It’s been about anyone.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:40 pm Okay I've been sitting here reading and reading everything iso and all the recent posts. Based on everything I've read I'm still leaning leetic. I think he has been setting up for a mislynch on me for awhile. He was back and forth on jack but seemed to mostly town read him until now whereas hes been trying to push suspicion on me with little argument. If he kept me alive long enough to the end he could lead a mislynch on me and win the game. Audrey's only real read she has given was to suspect leetic so he had to kill her off. Now that he sees that jack is also suspicious of him he votes jack instead hoping he could convince me to change my mind since I haven't been all that active.

I don't actually know which of you is bad but I've been leaning towards leetic for awhile and after reading forever that's still my thought. I do apologize I don't have a computer to post quotes and things, but that's where my thoughts are currently.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:51 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:36 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:19 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:53 pm “Jack bussed Speedchuck on D2 after Luna was lynched.”

“Yeah, no, I was all over Speed on D1.”

“Well then I guess you just bussed hard from the beginning.”

Okay, yeah. That sounds like a real thought. The magical case that shifts to always come to the same conclusion regardless of facts.

You didn’t have a Sabie case. Your case was iirc, one post that I disagreed with you on and afterwards, your case has been “I don’t have a reason to townread Sabie and that’s enough.” No it isn’t. You didn’t believe that.

Last time Speed and I wolfed together (Pirates), I didn’t bus him even though he was suspicious af.

The last two times he was wolf and I was not prior to this game, I either attempted to nk him after scumreading him (Workd Asunder. Was blocked and killed instead. Oof) or lead a lynch on him (Ancient Greece).

I’m good at catching Speed and Speed and Luna we’re both suspicious here, even if you pretended not to see it until D2.

Linki: It was a typo. I’m on my phone. Probably and provably are a millimeter different. If I was a wolf, I wouldn’t hedge on that either. Fake argument.

First of all, my point is, both you and sabie were on speedchuck, so no matter who is scum, they were bussing D1. Stop strawmanning me. Plus, convenient how you still ignore my D2 ISO. Also, I'm not sure if you are one to trust regarding your scumgame, since I am unfamiliar with you and have no way to dispute that, plus you could always change your playstyle. At least I am not posting links to my old scum games to prove I'm not scum. Nice effort, but I can see right through you. Oh well, I guess it is up to sabie to play kingmaker.

I’m not arguing at you because I think you’re the wolf. I’m arguing at Sabie, who was in one of those games.

Here’s the other http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =27&t=1573

The point isn’t “this is my style.” The point is “I know wolfchuck when I see him. I didn’t decide to bus him immediately. I caught him.”

No, the wolf wasn’t necessarily bussing D1 because you weren’t voting Luna or Speed. You wanted to lynch Rey.

You’re calling out me ignoring your D2 but you just wrote off my entire D1 and D2 without even reading them like “must be bussing.”

Once again for the people in the back. You aren’t trying to catch scum. You’re trying to mislynch either player.

You aren't trying to lynch scum. You're trying to mislynch me (and I can tell that has been your plan since at least the last night). Is it any coincidence that the two players you defended heavily were the last two left? You wanted us to go after each other and then pick one of us to take down. But now I cause a hole in your plan by going after you, and now you are getting hasty. Now you're just trying to convince sabie to go along with your plan to end the game.

If there were 5 more players alive, I’d call this tinfoil.

You act like I’m encouraging you guys to suspect each other. But consistently, I’ve found nothing suspicious about Sabie and shot down the nothing you’ve brought out to convince me to vote her. The only reason I’ve ever suspected her even now is when I read townie sounding stuff from you. That’s not a wolf setting up two townies. That’s a townie evaluating a pair of players to find a wolf.

Contrast you keep asking me to case Sabie for you. You keep telling me there’s no reason to townread her.

I’m pursuing a lynch on you.

You’re pursuing a lynch on me or Sabie.

Well, I'm now totally pursuing a lynch on you. I'm actually giving you a chance to save yourself by explaining sabie, as I don't want to mislynch town and if you legitimately believe that I'm confused, I'd like it if you pointed it out. But no. You just choose to dig yourself deeper in my eyes, in the hopes that sabie will choose you when it's time to play kingmaker. Just no.

I don’t think you’re confused.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:36 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:19 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:53 pm “Jack bussed Speedchuck on D2 after Luna was lynched.”

“Yeah, no, I was all over Speed on D1.”

“Well then I guess you just bussed hard from the beginning.”

Okay, yeah. That sounds like a real thought. The magical case that shifts to always come to the same conclusion regardless of facts.

You didn’t have a Sabie case. Your case was iirc, one post that I disagreed with you on and afterwards, your case has been “I don’t have a reason to townread Sabie and that’s enough.” No it isn’t. You didn’t believe that.

Last time Speed and I wolfed together (Pirates), I didn’t bus him even though he was suspicious af.

The last two times he was wolf and I was not prior to this game, I either attempted to nk him after scumreading him (Workd Asunder. Was blocked and killed instead. Oof) or lead a lynch on him (Ancient Greece).

I’m good at catching Speed and Speed and Luna we’re both suspicious here, even if you pretended not to see it until D2.

Linki: It was a typo. I’m on my phone. Probably and provably are a millimeter different. If I was a wolf, I wouldn’t hedge on that either. Fake argument.

First of all, my point is, both you and sabie were on speedchuck, so no matter who is scum, they were bussing D1. Stop strawmanning me. Plus, convenient how you still ignore my D2 ISO. Also, I'm not sure if you are one to trust regarding your scumgame, since I am unfamiliar with you and have no way to dispute that, plus you could always change your playstyle. At least I am not posting links to my old scum games to prove I'm not scum. Nice effort, but I can see right through you. Oh well, I guess it is up to sabie to play kingmaker.

I’m not arguing at you because I think you’re the wolf. I’m arguing at Sabie, who was in one of those games.

Here’s the other http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =27&t=1573

The point isn’t “this is my style.” The point is “I know wolfchuck when I see him. I didn’t decide to bus him immediately. I caught him.”

No, the wolf wasn’t necessarily bussing D1 because you weren’t voting Luna or Speed. You wanted to lynch Rey.

You’re calling out me ignoring your D2 but you just wrote off my entire D1 and D2 without even reading them like “must be bussing.”

Once again for the people in the back. You aren’t trying to catch scum. You’re trying to mislynch either player.

You aren't trying to lynch scum. You're trying to mislynch me (and I can tell that has been your plan since at least the last night). Is it any coincidence that the two players you defended heavily were the last two left? You wanted us to go after each other and then pick one of us to take down. But now I cause a hole in your plan by going after you, and now you are getting hasty. Now you're just trying to convince sabie to go along with your plan to end the game.

If there were 5 more players alive, I’d call this tinfoil.

You act like I’m encouraging you guys to suspect each other. But consistently, I’ve found nothing suspicious about Sabie and shot down the nothing you’ve brought out to convince me to vote her. The only reason I’ve ever suspected her even now is when I read townie sounding stuff from you. That’s not a wolf setting up two townies. That’s a townie evaluating a pair of players to find a wolf.

Contrast you keep asking me to case Sabie for you. You keep telling me there’s no reason to townread her.

I’m pursuing a lynch on you.

You’re pursuing a lynch on me or Sabie.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:29 pm And this revelation came to you suddenly after 5 phases? Not because I wasn’t going to follow your vote on Sabie?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:19 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:53 pm “Jack bussed Speedchuck on D2 after Luna was lynched.”

“Yeah, no, I was all over Speed on D1.”

“Well then I guess you just bussed hard from the beginning.”

Okay, yeah. That sounds like a real thought. The magical case that shifts to always come to the same conclusion regardless of facts.

You didn’t have a Sabie case. Your case was iirc, one post that I disagreed with you on and afterwards, your case has been “I don’t have a reason to townread Sabie and that’s enough.” No it isn’t. You didn’t believe that.

Last time Speed and I wolfed together (Pirates), I didn’t bus him even though he was suspicious af.

The last two times he was wolf and I was not prior to this game, I either attempted to nk him after scumreading him (Workd Asunder. Was blocked and killed instead. Oof) or lead a lynch on him (Ancient Greece).

I’m good at catching Speed and Speed and Luna we’re both suspicious here, even if you pretended not to see it until D2.

Linki: It was a typo. I’m on my phone. Probably and provably are a millimeter different. If I was a wolf, I wouldn’t hedge on that either. Fake argument.

First of all, my point is, both you and sabie were on speedchuck, so no matter who is scum, they were bussing D1. Stop strawmanning me. Plus, convenient how you still ignore my D2 ISO. Also, I'm not sure if you are one to trust regarding your scumgame, since I am unfamiliar with you and have no way to dispute that, plus you could always change your playstyle. At least I am not posting links to my old scum games to prove I'm not scum. Nice effort, but I can see right through you. Oh well, I guess it is up to sabie to play kingmaker.

I’m not arguing at you because I think you’re the wolf. I’m arguing at Sabie, who was in one of those games.

Here’s the other http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =27&t=1573

The point isn’t “this is my style.” The point is “I know wolfchuck when I see him. I didn’t decide to bus him immediately. I caught him.”

No, the wolf wasn’t necessarily bussing D1 because you weren’t voting Luna or Speed. You wanted to lynch Rey.

You’re calling out me ignoring your D2 but you just wrote off my entire D1 and D2 without even reading them like “must be bussing.”

Once again for the people in the back. You aren’t trying to catch scum. You’re trying to mislynch either player.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:05 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:06 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:31 pm If you have a case on Sabie, I’m all ears, but I’ve isoed her several times and been over her interactions with Luna several times and I don’t see a wolf there.

At this point with there being so few candidates, lack of reason to townread someone is a good enough reason to scumread someone. Unless you can give me a valid case that sabie is town (and I mean TOWN, not "not scum"), my suspicion of her will hold.

But I’m not trying to convince you and this does nothing to convince me.

It's simple POE. Audrey is basically cleared town, and you at least have the speedchuck vote going for you, as well as a lot of activity. I see no reason to read sabie as town, and thus she stands out as the most likely suspect.

Also not solving.

I’m not saying you’ve never given a reason to suspect Sabie. I’m saying today, you voted Sabie without caring if she was mafia and then you voted me based on a completely false idea without caring if it was true or not and then when I showed you the truth, you just went and edited your (fake) opinion to reflect the actual facts without blinking.

Cause none of this is based on who you suspect or why you suspect them. It’s based on getting a mislynch.

This is in sharp contrast to my play, where I have looked hard at every player, analyzed every angle, stuck my neck out for players others suspected who I townread (you, Sabie) and pushed reads that players disagreed with (Speed, Bob) because I am trying to solve. Yeah, I was wrong on some of those but at the end of the day, people followed my reads because they were honest. They made sense. The logic followed. My conclusions followed my evidence. You’re building cases backwards. You’re starting with a conclusion and then building the evidence. Because it’s not an honest attempt to find scum.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:53 pm “Jack bussed Speedchuck on D2 after Luna was lynched.”

“Yeah, no, I was all over Speed on D1.”

“Well then I guess you just bussed hard from the beginning.”

Okay, yeah. That sounds like a real thought. The magical case that shifts to always come to the same conclusion regardless of facts.

You didn’t have a Sabie case. Your case was iirc, one post that I disagreed with you on and afterwards, your case has been “I don’t have a reason to townread Sabie and that’s enough.” No it isn’t. You didn’t believe that.

Last time Speed and I wolfed together (Pirates), I didn’t bus him even though he was suspicious af.

The last two times he was wolf and I was not prior to this game, I either attempted to nk him after scumreading him (Workd Asunder. Was blocked and killed instead. Oof) or lead a lynch on him (Ancient Greece).

I’m good at catching Speed and Speed and Luna we’re both suspicious here, even if you pretended not to see it until D2.

Linki: It was a typo. I’m on my phone. Probably and provably are a millimeter different. If I was a wolf, I wouldn’t hedge on that either. Fake argument.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:57 pm you aren’t actually looking for scum but rather throwing up a Hail Mary case that is probably untrue

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:57 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:53 pm Day one was terrible for scum, so Jack and speedchuck decided all bets were off D2 so they bussed as hard as they could so that the remaining scum member would look good. JJJ kill was obvious no matter who was scum, but it works for Jack as JJJ was Jack's biggest accuser (he hadn't been accusing speedchuck as much during N1). Jack's next goal was to take control of the thread so that he could target people to be lynched. Nutella had to be killed because she was a vocal user who threatened his control over the thread. I was vocal too, but as I hadn't voiced strong suspicion on Jack since D1 and multiple users voiced suspicion on me, he could leave me around long enough to use me and then throw me out on an easy mislynch. Nova and Audrey were obvious kills, he even pointed out how they were on nobody's POE lists. All the while he's been subtly pushing the narrative that he is town, I believe another user pointed this out on one of his "off topic" posts but there was also him expressing fear of being nightkilled, despite likely knowing full well Audrey was the optimal target. Overall, this LyLo seems like too comfortable a position for Jack.

Jack, you played well. Reminds me of my scum play in Paragon. But like in that game, by -yLo it's just easy to tell what you've been doing. sabie12 help me secure this.

Thanks for outting.

Part of your problem is that you make the case that a player with a strategy must be scum so ergo it’s Jack but that works for it being Leetic, too. You’ve spent all game pushing Sabie but you have no case on her. That wasn’t going to fly with me. Sabie started doubting me. You switched your read. It’s not in response to anything townie Sabie did or anything scummy I did. It’s “spontaneous.” Out of nowhere. Based on thread momentum, not your suspicions. You aren’t trying to hunt. You’re trying to convince.

You say that Speed and I decided to bus each other D2 after Luna was lynched but this literally didn’t happen. Here’s what I have to say about Speed D1.

He’s scum for buddying Jay and for a fake looking Nutella push.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:39 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:19 pm JackofHearts2005 - Posted a lot, but very little was game related. For that reason, slight scum lean.

Welcome to my town and scum meta for early game. One upon a time, a guy named Rokk Krinn told me that my meta was to act like I was messing around and then suddenly the trap swings shut and I lynch the mafia or setup a key mislynch. You never see it coming.

Now, I think that was a bit generous of him but it's true that I tend to joke around early and turn serious later, when I have a better feel for things.

Anyway.

Townread - Jay for the effort.

Scumread - Speed for buddying Jay and the bleh push on Nutella.

It's like 5 posts into D1. I'm me. I don't have 2 townreads and 2 scumreads yet.

Speed and Luna are both scum for Luna’s interaction with Speed.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:05 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:02 pm

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:39 pm

The fuck is a filler post? Do you not want me to generate content? I don't believe you really suspect me for that post. You just thought it would be an easy thing to appear suspicious of.

Yes, I want you to generate content. That post said nothing, had no content.

I am accusing you of pretending to generate content. Was that unclear?

Well they're my thoughts so far, take them or leave them. I'm accusing you of fabricating a suspicion.

Oh right, this stuff.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:38 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:27 pm voting nutella. The speed wagon looks scummy.

How so and why me?

It looks like Jay wants to lynch speedchuck, and you've just enthusiastically agreed with his opinions. Did you post any of your own reasons about why you're voting speed?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:59 pm @Lunalee, what is your present read on speedchuck?

I really don't know. The lynch just looks opportunistic, but maybe I've missed something.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:35 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:41 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:39 pm [VOTE: Luna] aubergine

I need to know why. My entire body is exploding in euphoric tingles in anticipation.

"Hey guys this speedchuck lynch feels like a dogpile" which feels like the preamble to "ok I've read over the case and think I'm good with this lynch" and then "oh noes I should have stayed strong definitely there was a mafia pushing on speed"

you're predicting what I'm going to do next and calling it scummy?

This is bad.

Is Luna teamed with Speed or setting up what to do when he’s mislynched? Cause I’m seeing potential for both. (I know Bob’s been saying it but I’ve been strongly leaning on probably teamed.)

I wanted Speed dead regardless of Luna’s alignment.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:33 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:22 pm Luna goes from pure defense and maybe some shade from the sidelines to diving into the thread, declaring peace over, causing a tie on me, and saying you’re bad too.

What did she think was going to happen?

Beats me. I don't care much for motivations behind these kind of reactions 'cause everyone wants to live civvies and baddies alike, and people reacts in different ways. The tone is relevant though, and I'm not getting genuine vibes from her at the moment tbh. Might be tainted by her other stuff.

Are you unable to reconcile her reaction to the votes with a baddie?

Far from it. I’m trying to read Speed based on her reaction.

Maybe she’s just cracking under pressure.

Maybe she figures a lynch on her while distancing from wolfSpeed is better than a lynch on wolf Speed with her on the list of teammates.

I’m probably voting Speed tomorrow regardless of Luna’s flip.

I deny Jay’s townread on Speedchuck and encourage him to scumread Speed with me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:58 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:46 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:40 pmI don't believe this but I believe you believe this.

What precisely drives your belief in my belief?

The time investment. It's not much of a joke if you don't actually believe it.

wot wood u say m8 if I told you 'at moi only real ping of the game so far 'as come from speedchuck?

I would say your accent is horrendous. Is it because Speedchuck's accent is worse? Or the Nutella push? I think it's the Nutella push.

Vote Speed

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:49 pm [VOTE: Speedchuck[/v]] aubergine

[VOTE:


Case Speed for buddying.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:28 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:38 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:56 pm[VOTE: Hullo guys] aubergine

[VOTE:

speedchuck entry posts in his last six games:] aubergine

Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:05 am [VOTE: Wondering how elaborate I can make this award reveal.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Socky Awards, Mafia] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:43 pm [VOTE: I will do my best.] aubergine

[VOTE:

2018 GOC, Civilian] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:50 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:33 am [VOTE: Also I checked the poll results and now I can't vote.] aubergine

[VOTE:

I think that just happens with non changeable votes? IDK.

Also hi.] aubergine

[VOTE:

World Asunder, Mafia] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:11 am [VOTE: I'm never bad. ] aubergine

[VOTE:

SPACE FORCE, Civilian] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:26 pm [VOTE: This looks freaking amazing.

Hello my fellow slytherins.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Hogwarts, Civilian] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:11 pm [VOTE: Speedchuck for president of the flames] aubergine

[VOTE:

Outpost 31, Civilian] aubergine

[VOTE:


Two of them featuring a greeting ("hi" or "hello"). The mafia version of the greeting is inserted by force; the civilian version is smoov like buttah. His Shockheaded Peter greeting is relatively smoov like relative buttah.

Clear, obvious civilian.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Hot damn.] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:14 am [VOTE: @leetic I've ne'er seen you before. I'd love to hear where you're from, and what you think your playstyle is like.

JJJ is pending town. Ask me why.

Aw heck @Sloonei] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:11 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:58 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:14 am [VOTE: leetic I've ne'er seen you before. I'd love to hear where you're from, and what you think your playstyle is like.

JJJ is pending town. Ask me why.

Aw heck Sloonei] aubergine

[VOTE:
Y tho] aubergine

[VOTE:

Town JJJ is supah hot fire. Or, at least he can be.

As scum, he can only fake that intensity and proactivity.

Examples: Phenon: Origins. JJJ was pretty chill in that game and only made it through the last day due to town complacency and his emotional pleas, not because of firey town hunting.
Mountain Mafia also had a scum JJJ in it. His arguments, through D3, fell flat. The usual effort wasn't there, and it was more about half-hearted bussing and opportunistic arguments than genuine 'stirring the pot'.

If JJJ keeps up his current attitude, and keeps people on their toes, I'm comfortable labeling him town. It is still pending, though. Give him a few days.] aubergine

[VOTE:

This isn’t buddying?] aubergine

[VOTE:

Encouraging a Speed lynch to be followed by a Luna lynch.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:41 pm [VOTE: What this is all telling me is that we should lynch speedchuck.

] aubergine

[VOTE:

Luna defense too. ] aubergine

[VOTE:

Accuse Speed of lolcatting.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:54 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:49 pm [VOTE: Nova seems to know what he's doing, I'll join him on his vote.] aubergine

[VOTE:
This is what serious business mafia players like me call “lolcatting.” ] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:23 pm [VOTE: Speedchuck is choosing to make jokes instead of defend himself or push another train or find scum.

One time I lolcated in an hcrealms game (a poor stall tactic until my teammate could come online and hammer) and somebody took my gifs to be a claim (of a character who had already died) and removed their vote from me. Won undeservingly.] aubergine

[VOTE:

All about lynching Speed and Luna too if he’s scum.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:45 pm [VOTE: Jackofhearts2005, what is your present read on speedchuck?] aubergine

[VOTE:

Unchanged. There are multiple decent reasons to scumread him and no reasons to townread him. Sloonei, Luna or both are likely his teammates.

I always want to post the scene from Stardust where Septimus goes “Has excessive begging or pleading ever persuaded me to spare the life of a traitor?” when I see ATE but sometimes it does move me. This one doesn’t. If I’m wrong, I sympathize because I know what it’s like for Jay to tunnel me and I know I can be an rear end when I’m convinced of a scum read. But the answer is to dust himself off and show us he’s town and he didn’t. Likely because he’s not.] aubergine

[VOTE:


Argues against Luna being scum and Speed being town, even though both Bob and Nova thought this.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:14 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:05 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:02 pm

Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:55 pm
[VOTE: Well they're my thoughts so far, take them or leave them. I'm accusing you of fabricating a suspicion.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Oh right, this stuff.] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:38 pm

[VOTE: How so and why me?] aubergine

[VOTE:

It looks like Jay wants to lynch speedchuck, and you've just enthusiastically agreed with his opinions. Did you post any of your own reasons about why you're voting speed?] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:59 pm [VOTE: @Lunalee, what is your present read on speedchuck?] aubergine

[VOTE:

I really don't know. The lynch just looks opportunistic, but maybe I've missed something.] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:35 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:43 pm

[VOTE: "Hey guys this speedchuck lynch feels like a dogpile" which feels like the preamble to "ok I've read over the case and think I'm good with this lynch" and then "oh noes I should have stayed strong definitely there was a mafia pushing on speed"] aubergine

[VOTE:

you're predicting what I'm going to do next and calling it scummy?] aubergine

[VOTE:
This is bad.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Is Luna teamed with Speed or setting up what to do when he’s mislynched? Cause I’m seeing potential for both. (I know Bob’s been saying it but I’ve been strongly leaning on probably teamed.)] aubergine

[VOTE:

I'm leaning towards the latter. I see her softly positioning to reap from a lynch, rather than trying to sway it. Baddie Luna, in my experience, would act ignorant about the accusations against teammates yet intrigued and understanding of them, so that she can eventually jump in if it concretize.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Then why does she come in and go nuts and make herself look bad?] aubergine

[VOTE:


This is all on Day 1. So no, it’s not “Jack and speedchuck decided all bets were off D2 so they bussed as hard as they could so that the remaining scum member would look good.] aubergine

[VOTE: The player who didn’t suspect Speed on D1 but did on D2 would be...you.

Speed is a townlean] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:19 pm [VOTE: Alright, so I'm gonna look at everyone's ISOs and try to make some reads. Now, they may not be very good reads, as nothing major has happened yet, I'm not very familiar with most of you, and most of the posts seem to be a bit jokey, plus I am still not used to this level of activity, as this thread already has more posts than many games on Bulbagarden get in their lifespan! Still, I figured I should be doing something, so let's see how this goes.

AudreyTheTattleTail - Doesn't seem to have done anything yet, so complete null. If a wagon started forming around her, I'd say a town lean, but since nobody has really said anything opinionated about her, it's as null as you can go.

colonialbob - Slight scumlean. Seems to be following along with what other people are saying, then there is him looking a bit much into a minor mistake by JJJ. Still, nothing too major.

Elohcin - Mostly null, a bit of a town lean. He seems to be posting his thoughts a little and avoid minor drama. Still, hasn't done too much.

JackofHearts2005 - Posted a lot, but very little was game related. For that reason, slight scum lean.

JaggedJimmyJay - Town lean. Wanting there to be a lot of activity is certainly an admirable goal, as I find that an inactive town always benefits scum, plus has already started attempts at scumhunting. As a side note, the only player of the bunch I am really familiar with.

leetic - Definitely an independent serial killer, should lynch asap What do you think

Lunalee - Townlean I guess, her ideas to not read people too much based on early posts seems reasonable. Seems to have disappeared after page 1, though.

novaselinever - Scumlean. Seems a bit defensive compared to previous users on the list. Still though, nothing too major.

nutella - Seems even more defensive than Nova, so scumlean for me.

reywaS - Null, most posts have been jokey. Nothing really to suggest a scumlean, though.

sabie12 - A bit townlean, seems reasonable enough. Again, the low amount of game related activity from this person prevents me from saying anything too conclusive.

Sloonei - Null, doesn't seem to have posted anything relevant at all.

speedchuck - The pushing of nutella makes him a townlean to me.

Alright, so looking through this list, it seems nutella is my biggest scumlean, so VOTE: nutella to see their reactions.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Strongest townleans include Speedchuck] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:15 pm [VOTE: For two of each, these are my strongest leans currently:

Civ: JJJ and Speedchuck
Scum: Nutella and nova] aubergine

[VOTE:


As soon as Luna flips, now you suspect Speedchuck.] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:51 pm [VOTE: tldr:

People who look better because of Luna's flip: Jack, nova, bob, JJJ

People who look worse: speedchuck, Reywas, sabie] aubergine

[VOTE: Jay was my biggest accuser. But he was also tryhard and lock town and imo, the best damn townie on the site. He outposted both of us and he died on N1. It’s D6.

Jay also tends to always suspect me. I used to brag that I never got lynched and put an * at the end. *Except by JaggedJimmyJay. I’ve been killed by townies as a townie twice on the Syndicate. Jay daykilked me in Phenon and lead a mislynch on me in Assassination Classroom. He was town in both games. You really can’t put stock in Jay’s day 1 Jack reads. They're always scumreads.

You say Nutella had to be killed for thread control but that applies to you as well. You were also very aware that Nutella was a dangerous player and a good killshot while I had Nova as my top town. Nutella followed my Eloh case D3 before she died. She was accusing you and Sabie. She clearly townread me. So who was she a threat to? You.] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:04 am [VOTE: Leetic is softly pushing the narrative that speed is bad and jack is town, despite having voted for jack when he backed off of luna (choosing between two teammates to appear like he "didn't care if jack was lynched" as he said of luna? idk maybe I'm stretching this) and I think there was something else. Also there was something more to the speed/rey part of my speculation but I forget, other than that jack and speed are fairly anti-aligned and I think one of them is bad and I think rey looks pretty sketchy and also seemed anti-aligned with jack for some reason?] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:34 pm [VOTE: Can change my vote now. [VOTE: elohcin] aubergine] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:15 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:14 pm [VOTE: I have pretty strong reason to think everyone remaining is town except Audrey and Rey.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Audrey wasn't online during the night phase. Do you think Epi would have randomized the kill? I think she's fairly cleared.] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:22 pm [VOTE: Nutella and Leet flat wouldn’t kill Sloonei. Nova is probably outside his wolf range and is likely antialigned with Speed. I had a good reason to townread Bob but I’m tired.

Rey had a reason to kill Sloonei. Audrey could have been forced to kill Sloonei.

If it’s not Audrey or Rey I’m pocketed and the wolf is screwing with us...after scum lynches on D1 and D2.] aubergine

[VOTE:

what about sabie?] aubergine

[VOTE:


Audrey was never voting for me. She was always voting for you or being absent. That’s all wifom anyway.


I did in fact say something in OT that implies I’m town (cause I am and that’s my perspective). But that’s the worst way for a wolf to hint that. OT is like “you may skip this green text because it is not about the game.” So I wasn’t subtly implying I’m town but saying not to actually read that post to be townread. What I was doing was having a side conversation.

What I am doing now is flat out saying I’m town because you just cased yourself.

Nutella was a threat to you. Audrey was a threat to you. You were the one that switched your read on Speedchuck from town D1 to scum D2 to bus him.

Additionally, you asked Luna a softball question and switched from voting her to voting her counterwagon D1 even though her answer sucked and now, in lylo, you aren’t actually looking for scum but rather throwing up a Hail Mary case that is probably untrue because I didn’t bite on your Sabie vote. You don’t care who gets lynched, as long as it isn’t you.

[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:59 pm [VOTE: case that is *provably* untrue] aubergine

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:40 am I'm gonna be at work all day but it is not me. I voted speed in the beginning and the eloh vote was due to her looking kinda sketchy for staying out of that speed lynch. Rey and Bob I wasnt sure about but due to being busy I followed the cases made on them but did not lead cases on them. I've never had teammates its never been me and it still isn't. If I were bad it would be easy for me to just lead a lynch on someone else. I really don't know which one of you is bad. I've been leetic for awhile and him trying so hard to make a case against me makes it seem like hes been planning on me being the last mislynch led by him. I'm am easy target to go after.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:59 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:06 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:31 pm If you have a case on Sabie, I’m all ears, but I’ve isoed her several times and been over her interactions with Luna several times and I don’t see a wolf there.

At this point with there being so few candidates, lack of reason to townread someone is a good enough reason to scumread someone. Unless you can give me a valid case that sabie is town (and I mean TOWN, not "not scum"), my suspicion of her will hold.

But I’m not trying to convince you and this does nothing to convince me.

It's simple POE. Audrey is basically cleared town, and you at least have the speedchuck vote going for you, as well as a lot of activity. I see no reason to read sabie as town, and thus she stands out as the most likely suspect.

So the fact that I also voted speed multiple times isn't something going for me. Just because I don't post as much does not make me bad. I just don't always have a lot of time to put together long posts.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:06 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:31 pm If you have a case on Sabie, I’m all ears, but I’ve isoed her several times and been over her interactions with Luna several times and I don’t see a wolf there.

At this point with there being so few candidates, lack of reason to townread someone is a good enough reason to scumread someone. Unless you can give me a valid case that sabie is town (and I mean TOWN, not "not scum"), my suspicion of her will hold.

But I’m not trying to convince you and this does nothing to convince me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:31 pm If you have a case on Sabie, I’m all ears, but I’ve isoed her several times and been over her interactions with Luna several times and I don’t see a wolf there.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:15 pm (also real talk my play here has been crap after like d2, so I can't even really argue the lynch very well. My own fault.)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:29 pm Luna doesn’t just chitchat with her scummates on thread. Literally ever.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:49 pm @JaggedJimmyJay sorry for letting you down

@leetic I'll vote sabie if you prefer (still suspect jack but I'm town and it might actually be LyLo so)

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:03 pm I've gone around in circles. We're mechanically clearing Audrey because she's 8 even though a) she fits the Luna scumread theory and b) fits the Sloonei kill fairly well.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:29 am

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:47 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:37 pm Who wants to lynch Audrey?

How about a lynch that might actually give us information

Seriously, since when has an inactive lynch ever benefited town

This is a non Speed/Luna post that jumped out at me. Denies what would have been an easy mislynch. Town points.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:57 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:27 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:47 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:37 pm Who wants to lynch Audrey?

How about a lynch that might actually give us information

Seriously, since when has an inactive lynch ever benefited town

i dont care for how you seem like you want to always give a pass to inactives...as if it is unheard of for mafia to fly under the radar by claiming busy-ness or some other excuse for being MIA. Ive done it many time myself.

I generally find inactives to be easy mislynches, so pushing for lynches on them is a behavior I consider scummy (I've won Fruit Bowl Mafia as scum by constantly lynching inactive players). Note that by inactive, I mean players that don't really post anything at all and are at risk of being subbed out, not players that seem to be hiding under the radar like you are referring to - that can definitely be considered scummy behavior.

Another thing throwing to consider is that Audrey is a new player, and it's easy to confuse scummy behavior with inexperienced town behavior. The best way to read Audrey will be to see how other people interact with her, and make inferences from there.

Same deal here only broadly. More or less declares the easiest mislynch off the table. Will have to check how Speed treated Audrey. If he pushed her, it would be a good look for Leet.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:12 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:06 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:04 pm [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

lol, okay.
[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine
Let's make a three-way tie and hash this out, shall we?

Yeah, I don't like the looks of this. [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine because why do you want to set up a tie this late in the day. A no lynch won't help town right now, and seems like an almost OMGUS way to handle pressure.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:38 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:29 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:22 pm Luna goes from pure defense and maybe some shade from the sidelines to diving into the thread, declaring peace over, causing a tie on me, and saying you’re bad too.

What did she think was going to happen?

Idk, the threat of getting lynched is pretty motivating. Worst case, I still get lynched.

Can you give me a reason for why you decided to tie the votes?

it was purely an "F this I'm getting lynched" reaction, and I'd rather one of the other two wagons than myself. Sorry if my freak-out bothered anyone. I'm okay with getting lynched.

Hmm, I do like this reaction and find it pretty towny, still a bit too late to change anything. I'll switch my vote to Jack, as I've found him suspicious for a while and he has yet to answer some of my suspicions.

These first two posts read really townie but the switch back to me is not. As I said a few minutes later,

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:58 pm Me having 4 votes is a flipping joke though.

Leet's vote was at 5:38 and moved the wagons from Luna 6, Jack 3 to Luna 5, Jack 4. Day ended at 6:00. Luna was already voting for me. Speed was voting for Luna and wasn't online. Also posting at the time were Rey (already voting me), Jay (voting Luna), Nutella (voting Speed with Sabie), Nova (voting Luna). Iirc, Nova, Nutella and Jay had all expressed suspicion of me at this point. Jay said he wouldn't be back.

Bottom line, this does push things dangerously close to a Jack mislynch instead of a Luna wolf lynch.

@leetic

Can you elaborate on why you thought Luna's reaction was townie and what suspicions I hadn't answered at this point?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:31 pm RIP nova it was nice to play in a game where you were around more.

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:27 pm I think we can all agree that Audrey is town now. [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine, the most suspicious user alive for reasons already expressed.

What are those reasons? I was just mislynched in my other game. The game I was initially super excited to be in. It would suck if I just got mislynched twice in a row. Such is my luck I guess.

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:00 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:16 pm *sigh* No activity? If I have to put pressure on people to promote activity, so be it. @reywaS tell me why I should not vote you right now.

because a good civvie would not want a mislynch today?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:46 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:21 pm My POE is rey, Audrey, and one of bob or sabie - I do like that sabie is putting in some effort, and Jack brings up a good point that it makes no sense for sabie to kill Sloonei - still, the interactions with Luna and chuck aren't the greatest.

Tell me more about those interactions or link me back to your post that did it.

I only read from Sabie’s side of it but I don’t see any scummy looming interactions.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:43 pm Interactions between sabie12 and speedchuck

sabie's end

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:03 am Nova is definitely different this game than I've seen him recently. He usually slides by for awhile before posting anything. Maybe he has someone to talk to now and he does have teammates and he doesn't like that I suggested that so he wants to get rid of me early on.
Sloot is starting to get back into it. Usually he is the one stirring the pot getting conversations going.
The two people I don't think I've ever played with voted nutella. I didn't necessarily see anything overly suspicious on nutella as of yet.
I can see where the suspicion of speed and jack may come from but idk sometimes I can't really get good reads on people on day one. I know someone will say sabie elaborate on why you say this. And I'm like idk yet.
I also don't recall if I've played with jjj before I think I just played in his games. I've seen people play in this game style of let's get people talking and it's usually civs just trying to get a discussion going.

First real interaction, posts something very noncommittal about speedchuck. Both scum (Luna) and town (Eloh) have done this, though, so I'm not sure how to read this.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:43 pm Despite being ill I will continue to play. well out of the available options of people who have been voted for I'm willing to go with either speed or jack.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:04 pm Going with speed for now. He seemed more sketchy to me. For some reason I thought today was end of poll but yes tomorrow. Gonna go sleep forever and try to get better.

Goes with speed without really explaining why, definitely fits in with her other behavior. At least choosing speed over Jack earns some town points (as Jack and sabie can't both be scum).

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:45 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:35 pm @AudreyTheTattletail
@Elohcin
@novaselinenever
@nutella
@sabie12

Where are your heads at? Who are you considering voting for?

I dont feel super strong one way or the other. I missed a bit that was going ok while I was out of commission but I am probably voting for speed again, but I can see some fair points have been made on Rey. I think the case on speed made sense to me for reasons I stated before. I think its possible if he is bad that he may have voted Luna out of trying not to look bad or self preservation. Rey and speed could maybe be teammates? I didnt put a vote yet as I was kind of waiting to see if anything else came up but I think I'd be okay with either rey or speed as it stands currently.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:52 pm At this point I'm seeing no reason not to vote speed so I'm going to. I'll keep an eye out if something else comes up.

Puts a vote on speed without really giving her own reasons, and more seems to be sheeping others. Here though, I can't tell if this is a part of her regular playstyle or not, while with speed I could easily tell there was something wrong when he was doing that because of his accusations of other users "buddying" each other.

speed's end

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:29 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:25 am Leaving JJJ off my list because that's just boring.

Townreads: Sloonei, Elohcin

Scumreads: Nova, JoH

I’d like to hear more about all of those.

Been townreading Sloonei since "Whacke". He's been great under some amount of pressure early on. That townread solidified when he defended Sabie, referencing the delicious MYLO from last game. I KNOW that's genuine. I was there. He hasn't been sucking up to the powers that be, hasn't been "trying too hard" (in nutella's words) to seem consistent or give thoughts on everyone. He just steps in where he sees a need and keeps his D0/D1 chill. I like it.

Elohcin hasn't done too much. She came in, made a catch-up post, and then left. But most of it reeked of sincerity, to me. It's partly a vibe I'm getting, but I'll try to explain it. When she was making the catch up post, she commented and gave her take on 4-5 things. Some of it had been said before, some of it she took a small step further. It didn't seem like she was trying to fake any thoughts, nor like she was straining for original content.

I guess both of these just seem too chill under the 'Jay Spray' for me to think them scum.

Apparently, someone defending sabie is enough of a reason to townread them. Interestingly, both of his town reads were the real deal.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:46 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:45 pm NUTELLA
SABIE12

GOOD
BAD

Calls sabie bad. (Luna called sabie good).

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:02 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:53 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:50 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:46 pm NOVASELINENENVER
COLONIALBOB
AUDREYTHETATTLETAIL

BAD
GOOD
PROBABLY KINDA NICE IDK BAD

Do you think I started the game bussing my teammate within 2 posts, and we've been faking ever since?

I don't really use GTH to theorize scumteams. I look at everyone individually

Talk to me about Sabie then.

90% of Sabie's posts are her complaining about silly accusations, making her own, then walking them back. Specifically regarding Nova and JJJ.
The other one is "where sloonei at he mus be busy"

I'm used to her first post in the game being lost, but still full of basic reads and stuff. She's posted more D1 than I'm used to, but somehow less.

I got that just now after looking back. It's not that strong, but hey, GTH.

Posts a case against sabie, but says it's "not that strong" making it ultimately a noncommittal post, and note that speedchuck didn't actually vote for sabie (and he's been proven to bus a teammate).

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:17 am speedchuck
nutella
colonialbob
novaselinenever
reywaS
AudreyTheTattleTail

Elohcin
Jackofhearts2005
leetic
Sloonei
sabie12

sabie is in the very bottom. This was N1 by the way, so it was before it was obvious speedchuck would die. This is a point I'd say in sabie's favor, but since he doesn't really post anything about sabie during D2, it still doesn't look good.

Overall, I can see them being teammates, though there are a couple things that make me think twice.