The Syndicate

Excellent. I'm sorry that I wasn't around more today to push it but hopefully we will be able to snag some more baddies tomorrow.

I also hate the reasoning on the Tim wagon that I've read. We're wagoning him because he isn't town enough? Because people just aren't feeling it? Come on now

Basing votes on wagon composition is almost always a mistake FWIW. It's confirmation bias and doesn't help accuracy at all

Daisy I will.atyack falcon at t later day. Right now I'm happy. Everything is okay

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:11 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:09 pm Kyle is pure. I feel like I shouldn't be townreading Kyle as hard as I am right now bc he's "hard to read" but he's a good boy here
why do you think i'm 'hard to read'? have we played before

Someone said it in the past. I don't know who. And they were wrong. You are my spirit animal.

Kyle is pure like Daisy. I want to like the V person's catch-up but the fact they think that Daisy is scum is ridiculous

Let's just hold hands and kill falcon

Kyle is pure. I feel like I shouldn't be townreading Kyle as hard as I am right now bc he's "hard to read" but he's a good boy here

You're a town boy

Kyle I love you

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 6:24 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 6:19 pm I can't decide how to feel about Nacho.
I had an overall good vibe thing, but then there was "read his ISO, just...inoffensive" and I couldn't disagree with that. Like it could have just been "after all that time saying nothing sure this sounds good" when really it was just consensus reads repackaged.

My reads haven't been consensus. My reads have been sparse but yesterday they almost entirely consisted of pushing back against consensus reads and voting my vanity falcon wagon that you complained about earlier.

Inoffensive I understand. The only person that so far has frustrated me was MacDougall and he did the things he did because he was scum soooooo

I'm drinking today so I apologize for not being around. I hated Mac's play on a personal level - I didn't think it made him more likely to be scum simply because I've seen many other players fly off the ranch and play anti-town in that fashion before and didn't think the best route for town was to try to cannibalize people who led in the past simply because they didn't hit yet. I was wrong.

I'm back to voting Falcon. I don't understand why people are voting Tim at the moment.

Just read Scotty and Long Con. Make a choice between the two.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:27 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:52 am That’s good “SK is Gav” equity right there
Do NOT press for claims on what shrine people went to. Notice that Mac had a "was there an artifact at shrine X? power. We do not know what night he used that power or what shrine he targeted. Molag Ball dude so NOT say anything about what shrines you have visited. If townies try to press it out of you...well, town will willage. Sorry.

Didn't notice that before but thinks it adds to the likelihood of Long Con pulling a long Con here - his shrine related antics make a hell of a lot more sense if he was actually digging for artifact info via Mac power.

Do you really think that Scotty is scum who distanced with Mac and the end of the day?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:37 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 10:15 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 10:02 pm If that peek isn’t a joke or reaction test, there’s logically one wolf in Scotty/LC so I should be looking there, especially since my read on LC has been pretty nebulous.
What the hell kind of post is this?

If that peek isn't a joke, then there's 1 wolf in Scotty & LC alright, and it's Scotty.
I mean....I guess in 9 vs 4 vs 1, yeah, wolves don’t fake a red.

I think I’m in a 15ish player 3 misyeets + extra kills = lylo kinda mentality.

Why not?

Long Con as scum here gets a mislynch on someone that wouldn't be mislynched otherwise. He pays for it tomorrow, sure, but LC likely isn't going to be the end gaming wolf here IMO.

I'm voting Long Con and I encourage others to join me and I'm putting my faith in the strength of the Scotty town read. Scotty interactions with Mac make zero fucking sense coming from scum and the way his paranoia evolved and abated is something that I don't think scum is able to fake.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:07 pm If I was forced to choose between Marmot and Moghedien who flips I'd close my eyes and press the rng button and post this gif.

Same deal with this post. This is not the play of scum afraid of his partner going down.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 6:09 pm I don't actually care about this wagon but I'd rather Gavial be closer to Marmot and Moghedien. Can we somehow facilitate a three way tie here?

This is the Mac quote that I was thinking of with my Marmot +town thoughts - if Marmot is his partner, I don't think he'd be so cavalier about building up yet another wagon to compete during the end of day chaos.

Don't really believe Long Con red check which is pretty ridiculous. Don't really want to vote Long Con here either which is even more ridiculous. Need more info there.

Marmot is definitely +town based on Mac interactions with him. Still townreading even if his lack of pushing suspects still bothers me and think that defaulting back to him is a terrible move for today.

I don't think Mog is the way to go. I'm waiting for Marmot to talk about suspicions like he promised before I go all in there.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 3:31 pm I can hardly believe the idea of chopping BK so scum can't get the artifact is actually still something people are talking about.

I agree.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:49 pm The only person whose reaction to my vote was even remotely townie was Scotty, all the other respondees were pure bullshit... so that's lost monkey, marmot, gavial, nachomamma...

Pick 1 of those four for today's festivities.

I hope you enjoyed today's reaction test.

Well this makes me feel better already!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:37 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:35 pm And I am splendidly tilted when my top townread decides to follow Mac down a useless garden path because that usually means more will follow.
If Tim is town this is TMI.

If Tim is wolf this is shield.

This is always wolf.

Guess your vote's in the wrong place then!

And I am splendidly tilted when my top townread decides to follow Mac down a useless garden path because that usually means more will follow.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:34 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:30 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:30 pm Oh ffs

[VOTE: Tim] aubergine
????????

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:31 pmScotty why
Didn't realize you felt so strongly about Tim

I don't feel that strongly about Tim. I do feel strongly about lolwagons, which is what this is.

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:31 pmScotty why

I agree that the wagons of today aren't great.

I disagree that the best solution to this is to axe someone at random. This is currently just a big distraction, which pushes us closer to the end of day which means that scum can continue to CFD onto yet another townie because you don't really need reasoning when there's an hour left before a lynch.

This is not the way.

Scotty why

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:30 pm Oh ffs

[VOTE: Tim] aubergine

????????

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:49 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:46 pm Marmot. Please. For the love of god. Talk about your scum suspects.

I'm already pretty deep in this whole defending you from death thing - please don't let me get egg on my face the second I pop into thread.
Are town usually afraid to discuss their scum reads?

This is the main piece of my worry with Marmot. It's easy to talk about townreads as scum - you can see why townies are town and baddies are bad clearer than everyone else. It's much harder to fake cases and Marmot isn't really doing much to push actual suspicion.

I'd really like to see that out of him when he comes into thread next.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:26 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:40 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:38 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:33 pm @lost monkey tell us some stuff u observed. your reads. etc etc
I have scottie, you, kza, mac and now Bo as town.
wait you have me as town? I figured u would buy into what jack is trying to feed the players this day phase.
No I don't buy that you are scum. If town read someone D1 and i somewhat stick with it till now I am continuing with it. Its a waste of time to self doubt on my already limited leads. Marmot i have not seen as scum before but i dont mind lynching him over you if it comes to that.

Who are your suspects?

Also is TSP Tim?

MacDougall please put the crack pipe down and come back to us

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:47 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:46 pm Marmot. Please. For the love of god. Talk about your scum suspects.

I'm already pretty deep in this whole defending you from death thing - please don't let me get egg on my face the second I pop into thread.
I mean you were my wheel lock Town so I’m going with that this is a villager thus you are Town!

Thanks! It means a lot that the wheel saw into my soul instantly when all everyone else saw was a useless lump of coal <3

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:47 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:45 pm Tony why vote Falcon there?
i think he's pretty wolfy

Yes but why?

Everyone should also be claiming shrines based on Long Con info imo. We can decide a next move from there but there's definite potential in clears and I don't see a lot of downside to it.

Marmot. Please. For the love of god. Talk about your scum suspects.

I'm already pretty deep in this whole defending you from death thing - please don't let me get egg on my face the second I pop into thread.

Tony why vote Falcon there?

Can you quote the Kyle and Mac cases for me?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:22 pm
Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 3:39 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 3:37 pm
Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 3:36 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 3:34 pm Marmot and Moghedien wagons fo today??
How opportunistic of you.
I'm lock clear tho
That may be, but you're clearly floundering and grasping at any low hanging fruit you see. If I hadn't returned to the thread just now, you may not even have remembered that I exist.

I don't like this post, and it reminds me of how Mog handled Kyle in Double-Elim Mafia, where he responded to Kyle's questions with gaslighting and manipulation.

Am I really LHF? Maybe I am, I dunno.

How is that gaslighting? Or manipulation?

It's defensive. I don't necessarily buy that he knew that KZA was clear when he called him opportunistic. But I don't see what you see here.

Marmot who are your scum suspects?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:12 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:11 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:45 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:31 pm I think this is where my head was at when I left. Bo, KZA, and Made are all basically confirmed town. Tim and Scotty are probably town but not confirmed. Gavial, Daisy, Kyle, and falcon are all townleans.

Any objections with this list?
I don't really know the Bo reasoning for being town although Scotty alluded to it earlier.

I agree with your townleans with the exception of Falcon - why do you think that he's town?
My memory of falcon is that he's brazen and unabashedly all over the place, which I'm accustomed to seeing from him, and to me, it means that he isn't concerned with other players' view of him.

What's your take on him?
You're right that he's brazen and unfocused. I don't like that he doesn't seem attached to much of anything at all - he's willing to take potshots but he doesn't really have firmly held beliefs which means he's giving off more trying to survive vibes then trying to figure things out vibes.

What's a push of his that you liked in particular? Can you quote something for me?
WTF are you talking about?

And now I remember you engaging me on Marmot so that take could be unfair. Who are your suspects? Why are they good scum targets?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:45 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:31 pm I think this is where my head was at when I left. Bo, KZA, and Made are all basically confirmed town. Tim and Scotty are probably town but not confirmed. Gavial, Daisy, Kyle, and falcon are all townleans.

Any objections with this list?
I don't really know the Bo reasoning for being town although Scotty alluded to it earlier.

I agree with your townleans with the exception of Falcon - why do you think that he's town?
My memory of falcon is that he's brazen and unabashedly all over the place, which I'm accustomed to seeing from him, and to me, it means that he isn't concerned with other players' view of him.

What's your take on him?

You're right that he's brazen and unfocused. I don't like that he doesn't seem attached to much of anything at all - he's willing to take potshots but he doesn't really have firmly held beliefs which means he's giving off more trying to survive vibes then trying to figure things out vibes.

What's a push of his that you liked in particular? Can you quote something for me?

Also want to see said pool from Marmot.

Long Con - by "group", I meant pool of players that we should axe within to have the highest chance of hitting a baddie. I think if we kill within Enrique and Falcon I think we'll be in a good position tomorrow. What are you thinking?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:31 pm I think this is where my head was at when I left. Bo, KZA, and Made are all basically confirmed town. Tim and Scotty are probably town but not confirmed. Gavial, Daisy, Kyle, and falcon are all townleans.

Any objections with this list?

I don't really know the Bo reasoning for being town although Scotty alluded to it earlier.

I agree with your townleans with the exception of Falcon - why do you think that he's town?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:22 pm Sorry for being MIA yesterday. I went to get a haircut, and found out the my favorite barber had taken his life a couple months ago, so I was feeling some creeping malaise the rest of the day. Any time I tried reading the thread, I just kinda glazed over and couldn't really process what was going on.

Anyway, I'm feeling a lot better this morning, and I'm hoping I can dive back in.

I'm sorry for your loss.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:01 pm anyway I just woke up at 2am to take a mid morning poo im going back to sleep. I expect Nacho will have strung up a wolf with his incisive cutting game theory based skill upon my return.

I'll do my best!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:59 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:58 am
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:52 am I don't think your griping has had any effect on today. What will have an effect on today is finding a suspect and engaging them. Or talking about the big wagons for today - what do you think of my Marmot defense? Is Mog the wolf that we've been trying to find?
Who are you talking to in this post?
Me. Nacho is taking my mild doomsaying as confirmation I am mafia.

I don't think you are mafia. I think that your approach to today has been lazy. And continues to be lazy. Why would I, I slanker scum, care about pushing Mac, the god of town?

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