The Elder Scrolls [GAME OVER]

[Scotty]

I see a world where Tim is bad here and is trying to convince us that falcon’s flip would give us more information, when what we need more than information is another red flip.


That’s actually an awful take.

I think based on actions taken in the past few days, where marmot was the only other viable wagon and he just eeked by, I convinced myself he couldn’t be bad. Mac didn’t seem to give 2 shits who between marmot/Qwags/SSF got lynched.

[Scotty]

I also find the wagon on falcon fishy because the majority on it are literal fish

[Scotty]

But having some scattered town votes (COUGH COUGH Gavial and Daisy) on vanity wagons at this point makes me nervous.

Wolves would be banding together right about now, and we need consolidation

[Made]

I see a world where Tim is bad here and is trying to convince us that falcon’s flip would give us more information, when what we need more than information is another red flip.


That’s actually an awful take.

I think based on actions taken in the past few days, where marmot was the only other viable wagon and he just eeked by, I convinced myself he couldn’t be bad. Mac didn’t seem to give 2 shits who between marmot/Qwags/SSF got lynched.

I disagree, if he didn’t care, he would of tried to appear more consistent and voted marmot, no? Scum are inconsistent when it serves them, and the Mog vote makes little sense when you can hide in “tie meta”

[Timsup2nothin]

I see a world where Tim is bad here and is trying to convince us that falcon’s flip would give us more information, when what we need more than information is another red flip.


That’s actually an awful take.

Bad read Made. The only information that comes from a Falcon flip is if Falcon flips wolf. I have openly said that if Falcon flips green we are just screwed, because I am spending my last chip here and a green Falcon flip means I just get turboed tomorrow. This is clearly a better bet for me than just letting the wolves flip me knowing that they would then turbo Falcon tomorrow if he is actually town.

If Falcon is town we're screwed either way I figure, so this is the only thing I can do for the town...flip Falcon and hope it clears me so we can go forward.

[Scotty]

What if we had a separate 2nd wagon of..oh...nacho? Would anyone object to that?

[Made]

I see a world where Tim is bad here and is trying to convince us that falcon’s flip would give us more information, when what we need more than information is another red flip.


That’s actually an awful take.

Bad read Made. The only information that comes from a Falcon flip is if Falcon flips wolf. I have openly said that if Falcon flips green we are just screwed, because I am spending my last chip here and a green Falcon flip means I just get turboed tomorrow. This is clearly a better bet for me than just letting the wolves flip me knowing that they would then turbo Falcon tomorrow if he is actually town.

If Falcon is town we're screwed either way I figure, so this is the only thing I can do for the town...flip Falcon and hope it clears me so we can go forward.

Do you think falcon is the best hit, yes or no?

[Kylemii]

it seems to me like, if Tim is telling the truth, that kind of power would be, too strong, for, mafia, to have i.e. being, able to buy a bunch, of votes all at once

Let’s see a vote. Whatcha thinkin Kyle?

idk yet i'm already looking into shit

[lost monkey]

I wanna vote falcon because I thought he was scum on D2 but people in the thread repeatedly said he was town so i stopped going in that direction but now 2 my town reads are voting tim so i am confused on who to vote.

[Made]

Tim and marmot have pretty crazy team equities

[Made]

I wanna vote falcon because I thought he was scum on D2 but people in the thread repeatedly said he was town so i stopped going in that direction but now 2 my town reads are voting tim so i am confused on who to vote.

Read on marmot? Read on Tim?

[Kylemii]

@DaisyCloud when does the thing you wanted me to look into start?

[Kylemii]

or is it really over the course of the whole day 1

[Kylemii]

also i remember mac led a cfd on an earlier day phase, was that 1 or 2 and who was involved

[Scotty]

Tim and marmot have pretty crazy team equities

What does team equities mean in this context? I’ve seen it brought up periodically and I just nod along but I don’t know shit

[Scotty]

also i remember mac led a cfd on an earlier day phase, was that 1 or 2 and who was involved

Well the CFD in question is probably SSF on D2, and Tim has constantly reminded me that *he* was the one that led the charge, as if if that’s something to be proud of.

Though organically, I feel like Mac was the one pushing everyone else to vote. I seem to remember that “KEEP CALM AND FOLLOW ME” picture

[Timsup2nothin]

I see a world where Tim is bad here and is trying to convince us that falcon’s flip would give us more information, when what we need more than information is another red flip.


That’s actually an awful take.

Bad read Made. The only information that comes from a Falcon flip is if Falcon flips wolf. I have openly said that if Falcon flips green we are just screwed, because I am spending my last chip here and a green Falcon flip means I just get turboed tomorrow. This is clearly a better bet for me than just letting the wolves flip me knowing that they would then turbo Falcon tomorrow if he is actually town.

If Falcon is town we're screwed either way I figure, so this is the only thing I can do for the town...flip Falcon and hope it clears me so we can go forward.

Do you think falcon is the best hit, yes or no?

I am betting the game on him, from my POV, so he is the best available hit. If Vulgard were on the poll and I thought there was a chance in hell of mustering the votes I might go there. If so many people had not already said no to chopping Marmot I might go there. But I think Falcon is a very good candidate.

[Made]

Tim and marmot have pretty crazy team equities

What does team equities mean in this context? I’ve seen it brought up periodically and I just nod along but I don’t know shit

It really just “they likely are teammates” in buzzword

[Scotty]

also i remember mac led a cfd on an earlier day phase, was that 1 or 2 and who was involved

Well the CFD in question is probably SSF on D2, and Tim has constantly reminded me that *he* was the one that led the charge, as if if that’s something to be proud of.

Though organically, I feel like Mac was the one pushing everyone else to vote. I seem to remember that “KEEP CALM AND FOLLOW ME” picture

And I’m accessing my memory rn but I recall it being like
2 SSF, 3 Marmot, 4 Qwags when this went down. I think

[Scotty]

Tim and marmot have pretty crazy team equities

What does team equities mean in this context? I’ve seen it brought up periodically and I just nod along but I don’t know shit

It really just “they likely are teammates” in buzzword

Ah, buzzwords. Like “synergy” and “busybee”

[Made]

I see a world where Tim is bad here and is trying to convince us that falcon’s flip would give us more information, when what we need more than information is another red flip.


That’s actually an awful take.

Bad read Made. The only information that comes from a Falcon flip is if Falcon flips wolf. I have openly said that if Falcon flips green we are just screwed, because I am spending my last chip here and a green Falcon flip means I just get turboed tomorrow. This is clearly a better bet for me than just letting the wolves flip me knowing that they would then turbo Falcon tomorrow if he is actually town.

If Falcon is town we're screwed either way I figure, so this is the only thing I can do for the town...flip Falcon and hope it clears me so we can go forward.

Do you think falcon is the best hit, yes or no?

I am betting the game on him, from my POV, so he is the best available hit. If Vulgard were on the poll and I thought there was a chance in hell of mustering the votes I might go there. If so many people had not already said no to chopping Marmot I might go there. But I think Falcon is a very good candidate.

But voting anything but ur best hit here is anti town. If ur best hit is marmot, we marmot. If we can spin thread, can I count on your vote there.

I see your POV, but clearing you doesn’t help as much as removing a scum.

This falcon stuff is bizarre

[Scotty]

I see a world where Tim is bad here and is trying to convince us that falcon’s flip would give us more information, when what we need more than information is another red flip.


That’s actually an awful take.

Bad read Made. The only information that comes from a Falcon flip is if Falcon flips wolf. I have openly said that if Falcon flips green we are just screwed, because I am spending my last chip here and a green Falcon flip means I just get turboed tomorrow. This is clearly a better bet for me than just letting the wolves flip me knowing that they would then turbo Falcon tomorrow if he is actually town.

If Falcon is town we're screwed either way I figure, so this is the only thing I can do for the town...flip Falcon and hope it clears me so we can go forward.

Do you think falcon is the best hit, yes or no?

I am betting the game on him, from my POV, so he is the best available hit. If Vulgard were on the poll and I thought there was a chance in hell of mustering the votes I might go there. If so many people had not already said no to chopping Marmot I might go there. But I think Falcon is a very good candidate.

Do you happen to do rainbow lists or read lists in general?
You put all your eggs in the Mog/SSF basket too, and that didn’t work out.

Just curious who your other vote would be if not falcon

[Made]

I see a world where Tim is bad here and is trying to convince us that falcon’s flip would give us more information, when what we need more than information is another red flip.


That’s actually an awful take.

Bad read Made. The only information that comes from a Falcon flip is if Falcon flips wolf. I have openly said that if Falcon flips green we are just screwed, because I am spending my last chip here and a green Falcon flip means I just get turboed tomorrow. This is clearly a better bet for me than just letting the wolves flip me knowing that they would then turbo Falcon tomorrow if he is actually town.

If Falcon is town we're screwed either way I figure, so this is the only thing I can do for the town...flip Falcon and hope it clears me so we can go forward.

Do you think falcon is the best hit, yes or no?

I am betting the game on him, from my POV, so he is the best available hit. If Vulgard were on the poll and I thought there was a chance in hell of mustering the votes I might go there. If so many people had not already said no to chopping Marmot I might go there. But I think Falcon is a very good candidate.

Do you happen to do rainbow lists or read lists in general?
You put all your eggs in the Mog/SSF basket too, and that didn’t work out.

Just curious who your other vote would be if not falcon

Tim feels dodgy here

[Scotty]

The more we sit here with falcon leading the wagons the more I feel like he is not wolf

[Made]

Tim/marmot wagon wars. Thoughts??

[Scotty]

I see a world where Tim is bad here and is trying to convince us that falcon’s flip would give us more information, when what we need more than information is another red flip.


That’s actually an awful take.

Bad read Made. The only information that comes from a Falcon flip is if Falcon flips wolf. I have openly said that if Falcon flips green we are just screwed, because I am spending my last chip here and a green Falcon flip means I just get turboed tomorrow. This is clearly a better bet for me than just letting the wolves flip me knowing that they would then turbo Falcon tomorrow if he is actually town.

If Falcon is town we're screwed either way I figure, so this is the only thing I can do for the town...flip Falcon and hope it clears me so we can go forward.

Do you think falcon is the best hit, yes or no?

I am betting the game on him, from my POV, so he is the best available hit. If Vulgard were on the poll and I thought there was a chance in hell of mustering the votes I might go there. If so many people had not already said no to chopping Marmot I might go there. But I think Falcon is a very good candidate.

Do you happen to do rainbow lists or read lists in general?
You put all your eggs in the Mog/SSF basket too, and that didn’t work out.

Just curious who your other vote would be if not falcon

Tim feels dodgy here

Dude he’s felt dodgy all day. I just want some town work and instead I feel like he’s cherry picking responses and defending himself.

Sometimes the best defense is offense

[lost monkey]

I wanna vote falcon because I thought he was scum on D2 but people in the thread repeatedly said he was town so i stopped going in that direction but now 2 my town reads are voting tim so i am confused on who to vote.

Read on marmot? Read on Tim?

Tim can be scum and town, i am on the fence about it. He has providing info which was useful for town but he been having a bad game or good game with the lynches based on how we see it. I felt that Mac was trying to get people to lynch marmot and would done that today if he was alive. Marmot is town for now for me.

[Scotty]

Tim/marmot wagon wars. Thoughts??

On one hand, if what Tim is saying is true, I can think of many worse wagons.

But we need to make sure Tim is LEADING by 3, which...in this group of people...is like herding cats.

[Timsup2nothin]

I see a world where Tim is bad here and is trying to convince us that falcon’s flip would give us more information, when what we need more than information is another red flip.


That’s actually an awful take.

Bad read Made. The only information that comes from a Falcon flip is if Falcon flips wolf. I have openly said that if Falcon flips green we are just screwed, because I am spending my last chip here and a green Falcon flip means I just get turboed tomorrow. This is clearly a better bet for me than just letting the wolves flip me knowing that they would then turbo Falcon tomorrow if he is actually town.

If Falcon is town we're screwed either way I figure, so this is the only thing I can do for the town...flip Falcon and hope it clears me so we can go forward.

Do you think falcon is the best hit, yes or no?

I am betting the game on him, from my POV, so he is the best available hit. If Vulgard were on the poll and I thought there was a chance in hell of mustering the votes I might go there. If so many people had not already said no to chopping Marmot I might go there. But I think Falcon is a very good candidate.

But voting anything but ur best hit here is anti town. If ur best hit is marmot, we marmot. If we can spin thread, can I count on your vote there.

I see your POV, but clearing you doesn’t help as much as removing a scum.

This falcon stuff is bizarre

There are four wolves...I have to hit one, because if I miss I die tomorrow for sure and that's two more town chops...so I'm stuck...truthfully, if you spin the town onto Marmot and he flips red that's great, but at this point even if I helped then tomorrow I'd still get mischopped. Better than two straight mischops, sure, but I think Falcon is at least as good a shot as Marmot so....<shrug>

[Scotty]

I wanna vote falcon because I thought he was scum on D2 but people in the thread repeatedly said he was town so i stopped going in that direction but now 2 my town reads are voting tim so i am confused on who to vote.

Read on marmot? Read on Tim?

Tim can be scum and town, i am on the fence about it. He has providing info which was useful for town but he been having a bad game or good game with the lynches based on how we see it. I felt that Mac was trying to get people to lynch marmot and would done that today if he was alive. Marmot is town for now for me.

Gun to head: tim
Bad or good?

[Scotty]

Y’all, if you’re NOT voting Tim, please tell me what parts of him scream town atm? I don’t want to hear comparative statements to falcon being ‘less town’ but concrete gut feeling on why Tim is town

[Made]

Okay wait...assume it’s both not Tim and Marmot....who even would it be??

Falcon and who??

[Scotty]

Okay wait...assume it’s both not Tim and Marmot....who even would it be??

Falcon and who??

I don’t see a world in which one of Tim and marmot is not wolf. This tunnel is long and never ending

But I could name, um...nacho and LM. Long con

[Scotty]

I also still don’t view falcon as wolf more than 3P but that’s just me.

[Made]

if we flipped the below names

Enrique
lost monkey
made
master radiation
nacho

I'm calling 2 wolves at min and nothing of value lost.

Where's the mass kill button?

So town has chopped two relatively low posting / low presence players and missed twice.

But you want to keep trying that strategy.

This is never w/w right??

[Scotty]

if we flipped the below names

Enrique
lost monkey
made
master radiation
nacho

I'm calling 2 wolves at min and nothing of value lost.

Where's the mass kill button?

So town has chopped two relatively low posting / low presence players and missed twice.

But you want to keep trying that strategy.

This is never w/w right??

It’s gonna be hard for me to read into MR and even Vulgard in context with Mac.

In a vaccuum, sure that could be w/w. Especially since MR doesn’t actually continue that line of shade

[Timsup2nothin]

I see a world where Tim is bad here and is trying to convince us that falcon’s flip would give us more information, when what we need more than information is another red flip.


That’s actually an awful take.

Bad read Made. The only information that comes from a Falcon flip is if Falcon flips wolf. I have openly said that if Falcon flips green we are just screwed, because I am spending my last chip here and a green Falcon flip means I just get turboed tomorrow. This is clearly a better bet for me than just letting the wolves flip me knowing that they would then turbo Falcon tomorrow if he is actually town.

If Falcon is town we're screwed either way I figure, so this is the only thing I can do for the town...flip Falcon and hope it clears me so we can go forward.

Do you think falcon is the best hit, yes or no?

I am betting the game on him, from my POV, so he is the best available hit. If Vulgard were on the poll and I thought there was a chance in hell of mustering the votes I might go there. If so many people had not already said no to chopping Marmot I might go there. But I think Falcon is a very good candidate.

Do you happen to do rainbow lists or read lists in general?
You put all your eggs in the Mog/SSF basket too, and that didn’t work out.

Just curious who your other vote would be if not falcon

Personally, I would like to see Marmot/Falcon wagons and y'all get off my freakin' back before my day action deadline so I don't have to waste my cash on self defense and can buy something good instead. But when I started the day on Marmot I got a blast of "Tim's just a wolf running through the mischops."

I do honestly believe that we as a town cannot have been so completely off that we never even wagoned a wolf, ever, so I think AT LEAST one in Falcon/Marmot is necessary or we just deserve to lose. And I honestly think the best candidate in the two is probably Falcon. The way some people have "oh yeah Falcon wolfy maybe" and then voted me on "well, tone" or the often repeated but never true "I've cornered a wolf and he's flailing" makes me think there is at least some "protect Falcon" going on. So here we are, time to show your cards one way or the other.

[Made]

if we flipped the below names

Enrique
lost monkey
made
master radiation
nacho

I'm calling 2 wolves at min and nothing of value lost.

Where's the mass kill button?

So town has chopped two relatively low posting / low presence players and missed twice.

But you want to keep trying that strategy.

This is never w/w right??

It’s gonna be hard for me to read into MR and even Vulgard in context with Mac.

In a vaccuum, sure that could be w/w. Especially since MR doesn’t actually continue that line of shade

I mean more Mac pushing that list of names and including Radishes on it. It’s clear that radishes came to thread fighting. do you say that about your teammate when they just came in with a blitz of post??

[Timsup2nothin]

Y’all, if you’re NOT voting Tim, please tell me what parts of him scream town atm? I don’t want to hear comparative statements to falcon being ‘less town’ but concrete gut feeling on why Tim is town

There won't be any. The ONLY safe ending to a sentence that starts with "Tim is town because..." is "...he outright murdered that wolf right there in cold blood when no one else saw it coming." No dead wolves, so no one is gonna say that.

[Made]

If Kyle is right, and Mac CFD’d D2 the only person you’re protection here is marmot

@Timsup2nothin you really think it’s most likely that we were 100% off day 2?

[Scotty]

I see a world where Tim is bad here and is trying to convince us that falcon’s flip would give us more information, when what we need more than information is another red flip.


That’s actually an awful take.

Bad read Made. The only information that comes from a Falcon flip is if Falcon flips wolf. I have openly said that if Falcon flips green we are just screwed, because I am spending my last chip here and a green Falcon flip means I just get turboed tomorrow. This is clearly a better bet for me than just letting the wolves flip me knowing that they would then turbo Falcon tomorrow if he is actually town.

If Falcon is town we're screwed either way I figure, so this is the only thing I can do for the town...flip Falcon and hope it clears me so we can go forward.

Do you think falcon is the best hit, yes or no?

I am betting the game on him, from my POV, so he is the best available hit. If Vulgard were on the poll and I thought there was a chance in hell of mustering the votes I might go there. If so many people had not already said no to chopping Marmot I might go there. But I think Falcon is a very good candidate.

Do you happen to do rainbow lists or read lists in general?
You put all your eggs in the Mog/SSF basket too, and that didn’t work out.

Just curious who your other vote would be if not falcon

Personally, I would like to see Marmot/Falcon wagons and y'all get off my freakin' back before my day action deadline so I don't have to waste my cash on self defense and can buy something good instead. But when I started the day on Marmot I got a blast of "Tim's just a wolf running through the mischops."

I do honestly believe that we as a town cannot have been so completely off that we never even wagoned a wolf, ever, so I think AT LEAST one in Falcon/Marmot is necessary or we just deserve to lose. And I honestly think the best candidate in the two is probably Falcon. The way some people have "oh yeah Falcon wolfy maybe" and then voted me on "well, tone" or the often repeated but never true "I've cornered a wolf and he's flailing" makes me think there is at least some "protect Falcon" going on. So here we are, time to show your cards one way or the other.

Ok ok but I’ve brought this up in an earlier post: when you start off the day with a vote for marmot, when your reads and explanations were inconclusive on how you get there? That’s sus.

But that you’re back on falcon makes me more suspicious of marmot again.

No one is overtly trying to protect falcon. This is all in your head.

[Timsup2nothin]

if we flipped the below names

Enrique
lost monkey
made
master radiation
nacho

I'm calling 2 wolves at min and nothing of value lost.

Where's the mass kill button?

So town has chopped two relatively low posting / low presence players and missed twice.

But you want to keep trying that strategy.

This is never w/w right??

Wrong...there is no mass kill button and no one was chopping any of those people...that could be distancing, could be townies passing gas, could be anything...Mac was NAI there and so was MR.

[Scotty]

Y’all, if you’re NOT voting Tim, please tell me what parts of him scream town atm? I don’t want to hear comparative statements to falcon being ‘less town’ but concrete gut feeling on why Tim is town

There won't be any. The ONLY safe ending to a sentence that starts with "Tim is town because..." is "...he outright murdered that wolf right there in cold blood when no one else saw it coming." No dead wolves, so no one is gonna say that.

Well I know why you aren’t voting Tim, silly. I was more asking the others

[Nachomamma8]

Basing votes on wagon composition is almost always a mistake FWIW. It's confirmation bias and doesn't help accuracy at all

[Nachomamma8]

I also hate the reasoning on the Tim wagon that I've read. We're wagoning him because he isn't town enough? Because people just aren't feeling it? Come on now

[Scotty]

if we flipped the below names

Enrique
lost monkey
made
master radiation
nacho

I'm calling 2 wolves at min and nothing of value lost.

Where's the mass kill button?

So town has chopped two relatively low posting / low presence players and missed twice.

But you want to keep trying that strategy.

This is never w/w right??

It’s gonna be hard for me to read into MR and even Vulgard in context with Mac.

In a vaccuum, sure that could be w/w. Especially since MR doesn’t actually continue that line of shade

I mean more Mac pushing that list of names and including Radishes on it. It’s clear that radishes came to thread fighting. do you say that about your teammate when they just came in with a blitz of post??

Not likely, but not impossible. Something I would probably do if bad

[Timsup2nothin]

I see a world where Tim is bad here and is trying to convince us that falcon’s flip would give us more information, when what we need more than information is another red flip.


That’s actually an awful take.

Bad read Made. The only information that comes from a Falcon flip is if Falcon flips wolf. I have openly said that if Falcon flips green we are just screwed, because I am spending my last chip here and a green Falcon flip means I just get turboed tomorrow. This is clearly a better bet for me than just letting the wolves flip me knowing that they would then turbo Falcon tomorrow if he is actually town.

If Falcon is town we're screwed either way I figure, so this is the only thing I can do for the town...flip Falcon and hope it clears me so we can go forward.

Do you think falcon is the best hit, yes or no?

I am betting the game on him, from my POV, so he is the best available hit. If Vulgard were on the poll and I thought there was a chance in hell of mustering the votes I might go there. If so many people had not already said no to chopping Marmot I might go there. But I think Falcon is a very good candidate.

Do you happen to do rainbow lists or read lists in general?
You put all your eggs in the Mog/SSF basket too, and that didn’t work out.

Just curious who your other vote would be if not falcon

Personally, I would like to see Marmot/Falcon wagons and y'all get off my freakin' back before my day action deadline so I don't have to waste my cash on self defense and can buy something good instead. But when I started the day on Marmot I got a blast of "Tim's just a wolf running through the mischops."

I do honestly believe that we as a town cannot have been so completely off that we never even wagoned a wolf, ever, so I think AT LEAST one in Falcon/Marmot is necessary or we just deserve to lose. And I honestly think the best candidate in the two is probably Falcon. The way some people have "oh yeah Falcon wolfy maybe" and then voted me on "well, tone" or the often repeated but never true "I've cornered a wolf and he's flailing" makes me think there is at least some "protect Falcon" going on. So here we are, time to show your cards one way or the other.

Ok ok but I’ve brought this up in an earlier post: when you start off the day with a vote for marmot, when your reads and explanations were inconclusive on how you get there? That’s sus.

But that you’re back on falcon makes me more suspicious of marmot again.

No one is overtly trying to protect falcon. This is all in your head.

MR put down a scum read on Falcon...and voted me.

Vulgard lead the case on Falcon, and has now voted me for reasons that are either just wolf or are really really bad.

That seems protective. When the people on record with cases against Falcon aren't voting him it is mighty hard to make a convincing argument.

[Timsup2nothin]

Y’all, if you’re NOT voting Tim, please tell me what parts of him scream town atm? I don’t want to hear comparative statements to falcon being ‘less town’ but concrete gut feeling on why Tim is town

There won't be any. The ONLY safe ending to a sentence that starts with "Tim is town because..." is "...he outright murdered that wolf right there in cold blood when no one else saw it coming." No dead wolves, so no one is gonna say that.

Well I know why you aren’t voting Tim, silly. I was more asking the others

I wasn't saying why I am not voting me, just pointing out that you asked a bad question.

[Timsup2nothin]

I also hate the reasoning on the Tim wagon that I've read. We're wagoning him because he isn't town enough? Because people just aren't feeling it? Come on now

I don't have a pelt to show, and the fact that no one else does either doesn't seem to matter. It's annoying, but not the first rodeo that has gone this way.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Made was green-checked, but that's not a great reason to not post.

LoMo's been pseudo-absent all game.

eh