The Syndicate

Meanie living baddie guy

Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Yeah! Just like the impassioned arguments I made against my own lynch- oh wait that never happened because I was lynched while I was at work
You forgot the bit where you were lynched at work while there was a confirmed baddie playing.

Yeah! Just like the impassioned arguments I made against my own lynch- oh wait that never happened because I was lynched while I was at work

Hillary points are for Banners?

juliets wrote:Congratulations baddies.

I was only really surprised at the SVS lynch because the whole thing seemed to happen while she was at work and I would assume unable to respond. I would be interested to know from her if that was indeed the case.

Yeah, it really was. I came home to basically be dead. I am SO not a fan of that kind of thing.

Congrats baddies, nice job

*Hopes for awesome Hillary points banner*

Don't take my Hillary Points

I luff her

Hillarys middle name is Diane

nothing would please me more than to perpetually sport a Hillary Points banner. It would make being deaded so pathetically worth it.

Epignosis wrote:Reposting.

G-Man wrote:Since speculation over vote weight has occurred, I'd like to clear things up for you. At the end of Night 3, all living player's post counts were recorded. Here are the percentages for the 10 of you:

Epignosis = 22.93%
Marmot = 12.61%
Long Con = 12.24%
DrWilgy = 11.88%
Llama = 11.64%
Quin = 11.16%
MacDougall = 8.88%
notsawyer540 = 5.88%
Dfaraday = 2.04%
Floyd = 0.72%
There are 10 votes between you all, so those 10 votes were broken up proportionally according to the percentages above and reallocated in reverse order. (i.e. Floyd's vote is worth Epi's post-count percentages multiplied by 10, and so on)

Epignosis = 0.0720 votes
Marmot = 0.2041 votes
Long Con = 0.5882 votes
DrWilgy = 0.8884 votes
Llama = 1.1164 votes
Quin = 1.1645 votes
MacDougall = 1.1885 votes
notsawyer540 = 1.2245 votes
Dfaraday = 1.2605 votes
Floyd = 2.2929 votes

Wow. Being dead is not so bad after all.

Are the dead allowed to vote in night polls?

Wow. Seriously fucking lame. Good luck civs, you gonna need it

ebwop, I did not mean that toimply Epi was a teammate, that bit about "in charge of". That was ironic. Although I would not rule it out that he would defend a teammate so hard. First it would be unexpected that he would not just heave the guy under the Greyhound. And one of the best Mafia wins I have ever seen,although I don't recall the game,it was a small game on the Piano) was when Rabbit and Tranq openly acted mega bad. They defended the other baddies, they blatantly did all the things baddies should not do. And noone thought they were bad becasue WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM.

But to be clear, I do not necessarily think that that is the case at this time.

Quin wrote:One benefit to lynching Jack today is to remove the WIFOM factor from his posts. Since he became confirmed he's only interacted with Epi. I refuse to read into that but I can see it being argued one way or another.

I realise we shouldn't be arguing about Jack right now, but that needed to be said

He's probably interacting with Epi since Epi is in charge of saving him.

Let's make a deal; if we lynch anyone other than Jack, and they are not bad, we lynch Jack next, no arguments, no questions. I have played whole games as an outed baddie and the longer you let it go on, the harder it is to get rid of the outed one. If we lynch someone who IS a baddie, I will shut up and tow the party line re lynching Jack.

Although, again, I would much rather lynch Jack.

Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:One benefit to lynching Jack today is to remove the WIFOM factor from his posts. Since he became confirmed he's only interacted with Epi. I refuse to read into that but I can see it being argued one way or another.

I realise we shouldn't be arguing about Jack right now, but that needed to be said
The more he talks, the more I like him. Talking mafia is what I like to see.
Did you ever read into my interaction with SVS? You said you would but I haven't seen a conclusive something from you.

Yes, I would beinterestedin that as well.

Every time I come in here I get annoyed that we are not lynching the outed baddie, and I leave, lol. He is just a distraction, and won't help us find other baddies. He needs to go.

Why am I giving you a medal, Mac?

FZ. wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Jackie O is vanilla.

I was comfortable keeping him around, saying that I would rather lynch the mafia member with an ability.

However, I looked back and saw that none of us (the RED vs. BLUE mafia) had any ability at all, and there was a third party, and Trump had an ability.

Given that data, I think it is reasonable to assume the entire mafia is powerless beyond a kill.

I don't mind lynching Jackie O, but I would only do so as a last resort. Lynching exposed mafia only keeps his teammates out of discussion and pressure.
I don't think it's far fetched to assume there's at least some kind of lynch manipulation power. In addition, all those points handed out by the host might be related somehow to lynch results.
I get discussing everything else, but it's not like you're going to learn anything from those voting Jack today or the next day, so why not discuss who looks bad, and unless we find someone who feels bad, get rid of the known baddie?

And instead of discussing other options, we're now wasting our time discussing whether to waste our time voting the baddie or not...

This.

Epignosis wrote:Let me try that again: Stop worrying about the outed member of the mafia. Who are his teammates and why? Go after them.

At this point he's just a distraction. Here we all are arguing over whether to Lynch him or not rather than discussing alternatives.

Make the outed baddie go away.

Also Floyd is a low poster not Eloh.

I think someone trying to set up you most likely.

Come out and say it.

Epi do you really think I killed Eloh cause she's not chatty? Be honest.

Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Also, Eloh is an unexpected kill. She is always quiet at first, then starts to form some rather astute opinions after a few days. So wondering if maybe someone wanted her gone before that could happen,or perhaps someone was trying to set someone up. I found it unexpected since she is usually blendy enough until she gets a feel for the game. I am surprised to see her go Night One.

She is on my reread list for sure to see who may have felt threatened by her.

She's hardly an unexpected kill when there is someone present who is content with killing low posters.[/quoting you are implying it is me, Eloh is blendy and not a low poster. Very different things. I didn't keep lol Eloh. I am a high profile democratic. She was on my side.

Do you think low posters are the same as blendy people?

Also, Eloh is an unexpected kill. She is always quiet at first, then starts to form some rather astute opinions after a few days. So wondering if maybe someone wanted her gone before that could happen,or perhaps someone was trying to set someone up. I found it unexpected since she is usually blendy enough until she gets a feel for the game. I am surprised to see her go Night One.

She is on my reread list for sure to see who may have felt threatened by her.

DrWilgy wrote:Rip Eloh.

Everyone lets refrain from voting from Jack immediately.

We can vote for him and still have discussion.

So I am gonna vote for *JACKO'H* at this time.

DrWilgy wrote:
FZ. wrote:RIP Eloh.

I forgot to vote in the night poll

This whole Jack of hearts thing is weird, because I thought taking down meant he would die as well, not that he would be revealed. Yet, why do you think we should not vote him Wilgy? Do you think there's some kind of catch?
I do not think that there's a catch, I do think it's easy to halt discussion and go "meh Jack vote".

How do we generally feel about Quin?

linki - Goodnight :^))))

I have mixed feelings. His initial post days ago felt to me like looking for a reason to suspect someone. Then when Jack O'H did something similar, posting an equivocating opinion, Quin ignored it. So I want to know what the difference is, to Quins mind, between Sawyers equivocating post and Jacks equivocating post. So my thoughts on Quin will be based in part on that.

S~V~S wrote:
G-Man wrote:Polls have been added as a separate topic. Sorry for the delay. I was fighting with my router for a while there. Now I must review Day 1 for any more Hillary Points.
Thanks!

I just figured you were kicking it old school and not doing a poll thread. That thread is great but it spoils people. I remember games where people spent hours in thread reconstructing polls. Don't want to do that again, lol.

@Epi, is that something Wilgy does, goof around with teammates in thread? I don't recall him really much interacting in thread with his team in last years GOC but otherwise I don't have much basis of comparison. Because unless he does that seems like a rather null action to me.

Also in your read back of Jack what were your thoughts on his posts regarding the discussion Quin and I had, and Jacks interpretation of it.

Same question for Quin, actually.

Since this question for Epi re his readback of Jack O'H may get lost becasue of the awkward way I wrote it, I figured I would bump it. I would like to hear both Epis & Quins perspectives on this.

Marmot wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Uh didn't Wilgy and I literally create a four way tie immortalised in sig widget for shits and giggles?
It was him too? Hrm, I forgot about his involvement, I just remembered yours

Did he chatter with you alot in thread besides that?
Oh yeah, that was fun.

I think the only game where I specifically chose a teammate to joke around with was Marmot in RoTK and that ended horribly.
The dead marmot from that game is still churning in his grave.

So do you think Wilgy is more likely, or less likely, based on your direct experience with him in a similar situation, to banter with teammates in thread?

thellama73 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Epignosis is so good at reading Mafia players that I can only assume that him finding an indy on day 1 is because he is Mafia otherwise he'd have scented out Jack. This is not a joke.
I'm not happy with Mac's glowing buddying with Epi here. "Oh Epi, you're so smart and handsome! Lead me! Lead me hard!"

Shifty.

Now, see, I took the exact opposite from that post. I thought he was being snide, lol. Even with the "no joke" qualifier. Becasue if what he said was even remotely true, Epi would win every game he plays as a civvie. While Epi can be awesome, no one is awesome ALL the time.

But I suppose reading it as you do makes more sense.

Maybe they will take you back in Calgary, your home town, when you have to leave here.

MacDougall wrote:Uh didn't Wilgy and I literally create a four way tie immortalised in sig widget for shits and giggles?

It was him too? Hrm, I forgot about his involvement, I just remembered yours

Did he chatter with you alot in thread besides that?

G-Man wrote:Polls have been added as a separate topic. Sorry for the delay. I was fighting with my router for a while there. Now I must review Day 1 for any more Hillary Points.

Thanks!

I just figured you were kicking it old school and not doing a poll thread. That thread is great but it spoils people. I remember games where people spent hours in thread reconstructing polls. Don't want to do that again, lol.

@Epi, is that something Wilgy does, goof around with teammates in thread? I don't recall him really much interacting in thread with his team in last years GOC but otherwise I don't have much basis of comparison. Because unless he does that seems like a rather null action to me.

Also in your read back of Jack what were your thoughts on his posts regarding the discussion Quin and I had, and Jacks interpretation of it.

Same question for Quin, actually.

@fz, my thoughts on Scotty are that, while winning as LMS us harder, it is more challenging and fun. In addition, lynching a Republican would get him some cred, right? As I understood Scotty's role, he knew Jacks?

I started rereading Jacks posts and interactions, will finish at work.

Thank you

Marmot wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Also, any screencaps of the final poll?
I could scrounge one up if G-Man didn't save one.

Cool, could you do that?

Epignosis wrote:Scotty was beyond independent. He was a last man standing serial killer. This is, in my opinion, the best possible Day 1 outcome short of a mafia powered role getting taken out instead.

I was saying that in terms of priority for reading. Since he was Indy (even if he was the worst kind of Indy and we should all be shouting "Hallelujah" that he's gone) rereading his posts for connections isn't much of a priority.

Also, any screencaps of the final poll?

Long Con wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
notsawyer540 wrote:So is Ted Cruz dead or do we have to lynch him day 2? It says "he is" in the post where it says "he was" for Assange. So I'm assuming he have to lynch Jack next.
This.

And good job all!!

I will read back this evening, good news is while I had a long day today, I do NOT have jury duty, so I should have no worries re Mafia time.
Congrats - that sounded like it would have been AWFUL.

We were in a giant room with over 300 people. They needed 92 (4 groups of 23). And when they asked who was ready, willing and able, they got over 100. So the rest of us were free to go. And yeah, it would be really interesting if I wasn't the only person where I work who knows how to do what I do, lol. Someday, but not today.

thellama73 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Also I'm going with orange. She pulls that color off better than some.

So Scotty was an Indy? But Jack is a Republican? So rereading him, I guess.

Also I'm going with orange. She pulls that color off better than some.

notsawyer540 wrote:So is Ted Cruz dead or do we have to lynch him day 2? It says "he is" in the post where it says "he was" for Assange. So I'm assuming he have to lynch Jack next.

This.

And good job all!!

I will read back this evening, good news is while I had a long day today, I do NOT have jury duty, so I should have no worries re Mafia time.

Quin missed my original point and misinterpreted my question. Hence we are talking in circles.

Placeholder vote on Quin. I don't think my original point was that obscure.

OK we're going in circles.

Elohcin wrote:
Long Con wrote:I don't know, Eloh. I think Quin's response is not suspicious, just quality friendly snark.
That's okay. It's normal for people to think my suspicions are off. I even get lynched for them sometimes.

So I see a lot role-claiming. I thought this was illegal. G-Man...will those who have claimed an alliance have negative consequences?

(Still have a bit of catching up.)

LC is correct. Saying you are civ is not against the rules. Are you civ?

Quin wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Quin wrote:
notsawyer540 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I'm a redhead- I have no soul
Me too!

I don't really find Quin suspicious. But then again this is only my second game on this site and there are only a couple people I know well enough to make judgments on. Getting a civ read on LC. Not really sure if going after low posters is a good idea here, but I don't really have any better ideas yet, so it may come to that for me.

I'm a civ and I support Hillary Clinton.

Other than that, it usually takes me a few cycles to start putting things together. If Ron Swanson were in this game, I'd say he's guilty as shit for three days before realizing it was Donna right before I'm killed!

Anyway I'm gonna get back to watching TV and nursing this hangover. I'll check back in periodically.
Discrediting your own opinion on an argument while still making a point of giving it never looks good to me.
Why? Are you always so sure of your own opinion that you can't see the drawbacks in your own argument?
No. But if I find it suspicious I'm going to say so. I want a dialogue.

What are the drawbacks in my argument?

I wasn't talking abour drawbacks in YOUR argument; I was talking about
You saying you found it suspicious that he was qualifying his opinion. It was essentially a rhetorical question. "Are you always so sure of your own opinions that you find someone who can see both sides of a suspicion questionable?".

Quin wrote:
notsawyer540 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I'm a redhead- I have no soul
Me too!

I don't really find Quin suspicious. But then again this is only my second game on this site and there are only a couple people I know well enough to make judgments on. Getting a civ read on LC. Not really sure if going after low posters is a good idea here, but I don't really have any better ideas yet, so it may come to that for me.

I'm a civ and I support Hillary Clinton.

Other than that, it usually takes me a few cycles to start putting things together. If Ron Swanson were in this game, I'd say he's guilty as shit for three days before realizing it was Donna right before I'm killed!

Anyway I'm gonna get back to watching TV and nursing this hangover. I'll check back in periodically.
Discrediting your own opinion on an argument while still making a point of giving it never looks good to me.

Why? Are you always so sure of your own opinion that you can't see the drawbacks in your own argument?

Epignosis wrote:Nobody gets a fucking "red peek" Day 0. If you do, the game is pointless and we might as well do something else.

Yeah that was also my fucking point. Geez.

Like if maybe you were trying to set up cred with a fake claim.

If I was bad yeah, but i'm not.

The point was though that role claiming isn't allowed. So I wasn't sure if you were just fucking around or what.

DrWilgy wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Long Con wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I could see an FZ vote as possible. I thought her question about the rules seemed contrived.
Your suspicions seem somewhat contrived.
Your face seems somewhat contrived.
Mom, Dad, please stop fighting...

SVS why did you question me calling out Epi? He's clearly bad, so what drew you to it?

I thought you were red peeking but the rules specifically forbid it. So I wasn't sure what the point was.

You do?

I am not sure what to say to that. Thanks, maybe?

Sure. Although ALL of us would probably lie about it,lol. We're Mafia players.

I'm a civ, and I fully support Hillary Clinton.

I'm a redhead- I have no soul

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